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 Post subject: Re: Percy Harvin's Availaibility
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So those who want Harvin think having to Crystal Glass end tables in a Punk music bar will make it thru a season?

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How is an explosive offensive weapon a "luxury"? We need playmaking receivers.


The Schnei said that he is very excited about WR's in this years draft class so dont expect any free agent players but rookies through the draft.


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How is an explosive offensive weapon a "luxury"? We need playmaking receivers.


The Schnei said that he is very excited about WR's in this years draft class so dont expect any free agent players but rookies through the draft.

And I prefer that. Our track record with acquiring vet WRs isn't the greatest.

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Axx wrote:
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How is an explosive offensive weapon a "luxury"? We need playmaking receivers.


The Schnei said that he is very excited about WR's in this years draft class so dont expect any free agent players but rookies through the draft.

The Schnei says lots of things. You can never tell when these guys are being honest.


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Rat wrote:
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How is an explosive offensive weapon a "luxury"? We need playmaking receivers.


The Schnei said that he is very excited about WR's in this years draft class so dont expect any free agent players but rookies through the draft.

The Schnei says lots of things. You can never tell when these guys are being honest.


Hopefully he's telling the truth this time, because I think we'd get a lot more bang for our buck with a couple of draft picks than trading for Harvin or spending big bucks on a free agent WR.


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Harvin is not that much better than Tate, if at all.

THIS!, Plus, Tate and Wilson have already established a meshing, so why would you monkey with that? :th2thumbs:


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Draft Tavon Austin. He's the younger, less injury prone, headache free, cheaper version of Percy Harvin, and should be available to the Hawks in the draft this year.

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at this point, tate is better than harvin.


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I prefer Tate and Baldwin than Harvin.


You're kidding me right?

Harvin is 24 and a legit Top 10 WR. This would be a MAJOR coup.

HOWEVER... Harvin wants to get paid, there in lies the issue. Can we afford to give a Percy Harvin a deal he wants, while paying the others?

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at this point, tate is better than harvin.


No he's really not. And I love Golden Tate. Harvin is a bonafide star.. that said, he wants $$$$ .. basically like a Mike Wallace

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Why trade all that for Harvin if he's on the last year of his contract?

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Why trade all that for Harvin if he's on the last year of his contract?

Because any team that would trade for him would give him a new deal as part of the trade.

I don't know if I'd do it, and I like Shark's idea of Tavon Austin, but I would not complain at all if we did acquire Harvin. He'd instantly be our best offensive weapon and really open up the offense. He and Russell would be unbelievable together.

And for those of you who think Tate is better than Harvin: seriously? I love Tate, but that's ridiculous. That's like saying Shonn Greene is better than Marshawn Lynch. Greene is a solid player with some talent, but it's not even close.


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Harvin is a #1.

Seattle has not had a true #1 WR since Steve Largent.


I'm skeptical of calling a guy who has never had 1,000 yards a #1. Where did I see that before? Oh yeah Deon Branch.

FWIW: I think Harvin is better than Tate, but I don't think he's a necessity for our offense. He's 24 and about to get paid like a #1 receiver. I don't see how we could pay HARVIN and RICE.

I think the best way to upgrade our receiving core is to add a solid fourth option. The drop off from Baldwin to the other guys is pretty significant.


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There is no doubt in my mind that Harvin is a better receiver than Balwin and Tate...and I don't think it's that close. He got injured this season but before he got injured he was tearing it up....catching everything in sight.

I think his migraine issue is also a thing of the past. I think it was a couple of years ago that he was having this issue and if I remember correctly, he said he learned how to take care of himself to avoid them and he didn't have any issues with it this year.

I would love for them to acquire him. WRs take so much to time to develop from draft. Harvin is young and has a lot of productive years in front of him...as long as his injury from last season checks out.


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In Harvin's defense, he got hurt BY US. Yep. Week 9. He was getting me mega points on my fantasy league until then. I said it then, that Harvin's loss was a bigger issue for Minn not making the playoffs. He is that valuable.(and yes, I know what a big year AP had). The big question is how much he wants. I am telling you that he is way better than Tate and Baldwin, heck even Rice.


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Isnt Garvin a slot receiver? Wouldn't that make Baldwin the poor man's Harvin?


Baldwin is a nice story..but not Percy Harvin

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Isnt Garvin a slot receiver? Wouldn't that make Baldwin the poor man's Harvin?

A very, very poor man's...maybe.

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I like him a ton as a player but I'd rather see us get more size at the position, especially if we are paying the top dollar that Harvin will want. We have enough short guys.


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I prefer Tate and Baldwin than Harvin.


You're kidding me right?

Harvin is 24 and a legit Top 10 WR. This would be a MAJOR coup.

HOWEVER... Harvin wants to get paid, there in lies the issue. Can we afford to give a Percy Harvin a deal he wants, while paying the others?


I'd check Football Outsiders on this one. Harvin a Top 10 WR? We get more production out of Baldwin and Tate and they don't cost nearly has much as Harvin does.

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On the radio this morning they were speculating Harvin to New England, who would then let Wes Welker walk.

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In a perfect world Harvin would'nt cost so much to acquire and would be happily reunited with Rice in Seattle. The reality is that we have limited passing plays because we are a run-oriented team and in acquiring Harvin we will take plays away from Tate who is now just starting to blossom into his own. If Hawks acquire Harvin we'd not only shell out big bucks but we'd likely force feed him to keep him happy. He's a playmaker no doubt but we have many playmakers who don't make nearly half what Harvin demands.


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I'd rather sure-up some pass rushers first.

Plus (I'm only guessing here) that he won't want to change his number.

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Don't forget that the Hawks pass less than 30 times a game. We are ranked near the bottom on pass attempts. Will we really get that much value out of him? Rice needs a solid backup. This the last year was the first in a while he has not missed a lot of time.


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Don't forget that the Hawks pass less than 30 times a game. We are ranked near the bottom on pass attempts. Will we really get that much value out of him? Rice needs a solid backup. This the last year was the first in a while he has not missed a lot of time.

The Vikings are one of the most run-heavy teams in the league and has still gotten enormous value out of him.


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But what does he do that Tate doesn't already do for us? Return kicks?

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But what does he do that Tate doesn't already do for us? Return kicks?


Eat up cap space?

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Wow... I con't believe poeple can convince themselves Tate is better than Harvin. If ESPN polled America who's better Harvin would get 99% of the votes.

I am a proponent of adding another weapon on offense this off season and was focusing on a big 6'2+ WR to play on the outside and/or back up Rice if/when he gets injured again, and I also think an athletic pass catching TE that can split out wide would be great addition too.

We have an amazing young QB but only a slightly above average WR/TE group for him to throw too. The hawks need a WR that can get open and I don't think it's crazy to think Harvin could be top 5 in the league in getting seperation. He has the speed and quicks off a smaller player but is still 5'11 185lbs and plays bigger. Not many rookies come in and make imediate contributions. What 2nd rd WR can you guarentee will make an immediate impcat and force team to scheme for them. A plaer like Harvin will open up a whole lot for an offense liek ours. He can play any WR position, RB, and return kicks. He is a one of a kind player and to think we could get him for a 2nd makes me laugh. This is exactly the type of screwd move JS would make.

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Oh and I'd be fine with Giving Harvin whatever Mike Wallace gets, Harvin is a better plaer and has much more versatility. Walllace has speed, but Harvin has speed, quicks, hands, and much more.

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Harvin's a playmaker with an unflattering injury history. If PC & JS thought he was the guy to take us to the next level then I'd be totally stoked to bring him in at whatever price they think he's worth. But I doubt they do it and I honestly don't think that, as a WR, he's much better than Golden Tate, if at all. As a "flex" type player, sure, he adds a whole nother element. He's gonna want a lot of money, and he's probably gonna get it.

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at this point, tate is better than harvin.

:shock: Harvin did more in 8 games then Tate did in 18 with a far better Qb. It can be argued that Harvin is the best all around player in the NFL the same cannot be said about Tate. I could name 25 guys better then Tate.

According to reports the problem with Harvin is to intense an takes football so serious that he blows up once in awhile when others don't take it as serious. Sounds like a guy I would want.


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Wow... I con't believe poeple can convince themselves Tate is better than Harvin. If ESPN polled America who's better Harvin would get 99% of the votes.



Those 99% barely know our roster and only associate Tate with the Greenbay game. Many would likely say that Revis had a better season than Sherman.

Also, 83% of statistics are made up.

It's not just about which player is "better" than another. That, to me, is for Fantasy Football.
You need to factor in offensive philosophy, injuries, cap space and team chemistry.

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at this point, tate is better than harvin.

:shock: Harvin did more in 8 games then Tate did in 18 with a far better Qb. It can be argued that Harvin is the best all around player in the NFL the same cannot be said about Tate.


You're selling Tate short. Look at what he did when he did get the ball. He's a playmaker. He's probably not better than Percy Harvin but he's not much of a drop off talent-wise as a WR.

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According to reports the problem with Harvin is to intense an takes football so serious that he blows up once in awhile when others don't take it as serious. Sounds like a guy I would want.


He also has a pretty unfavorable injury history and is going to demand a pretty large contract. I'm not saying we shouldn't do it, or that we won't, but I can see why we wouldn't if we don't. I will definitely not be mad about it either way.

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I don't think Harvin makes a lot of sense for us. So far Golden Tate has been durable, so while you can claim Harvin is a bigger playmaker, it's a wash to me because of injury and migraine headache issues.

I whole-heartedly believe we need to add another receiver to the mix. I think Harvin would be a great add for any team, but the kind of receiver we need is a durable, sure-handed guy that fights for the ball and catches it every time. We basically need Anquan Boldin.

There is one factor to consider though - some speculate SF as a landing spot for Harvin. I don't know about you, but Kaepernik-to-Harvin isn't a matchup I want to have to face if I can help it.

If Harvin isn't really the kind of receiver we need, is he at least good enough to go after to also keep him from going to SF?


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I don't think it is at all obvious that Havin is a top 10 WR.

Probably better?
- Calvin Johnson
- AJ Green
- Andre Johnson
- Reggie Wayne
- Larry Fitzgerald
- Brandon Marshall
- Roddy White
- Vincent Jackson
- Julio Jones
- Wes Welker
- Steve Smith
- Victor Cruz

Similar level?
- Mike Wallace
- Dwayne Bowe
- Demaryius Thomas
- Randall Cobb
- Jordy Nelson
- DeSean Jackson
- Marques Colston
- Antonio Brown
- Torrey Smith
- Hakeem Nicks

If Harvin could stay healthy then he may be top 8, but as it is I don't see how you can consider him higher than 20 or so given the character and injury red flags.

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To say he has injury issues, is a gross over exaggeration. He has played 15, 14, 16 and 9 games in his 4 years in the NFL. He's only 24, and people who keep acting like Tate would be gone are just as crazy as those of you thinking Tate is better then Harvin. Tate can play outside just fine.


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To say he has injury issues, is a gross over exaggeration. He has played 15, 14, 16 and 9 games in his 4 years in the NFL. He's only 24, and people who keep acting like Tate would be gone are just as crazy as those of you thinking Tate is better then Harvin. Tate can play outside just fine.


To say he has injury issues is not a gross exaggeration. In fact it's extremely accurate. He has injury issues. He has migraines which, while not technically an "injury", have at times been debilitating for him. Again, not a reason to completely disregard the idea of bringing him in, but a red flag for sure.

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To say he has injury issues, is a gross over exaggeration. He has played 15, 14, 16 and 9 games in his 4 years in the NFL. He's only 24, and people who keep acting like Tate would be gone are just as crazy as those of you thinking Tate is better then Harvin. Tate can play outside just fine.


To say he has injury issues is not a gross exaggeration. In fact it's extremely accurate. He has injury issues. He has migraines which, while not technically an "injury", have at times been debilitating for him. Again, not a reason to completely disregard the idea of bringing him in, but a red flag for sure.



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To say he has injury issues, is a gross over exaggeration. He has played 15, 14, 16 and 9 games in his 4 years in the NFL. He's only 24, and people who keep acting like Tate would be gone are just as crazy as those of you thinking Tate is better then Harvin. Tate can play outside just fine.


To say he has injury issues is not a gross exaggeration. In fact it's extremely accurate. He has injury issues. He has migraines which, while not technically an "injury", have at times been debilitating for him. Again, not a reason to completely disregard the idea of bringing him in, but a red flag for sure.



Scotty Pippen won 6 titles with migraines.


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CPHawk wrote:
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To say he has injury issues, is a gross over exaggeration. He has played 15, 14, 16 and 9 games in his 4 years in the NFL. He's only 24, and people who keep acting like Tate would be gone are just as crazy as those of you thinking Tate is better then Harvin. Tate can play outside just fine.


To say he has injury issues is not a gross exaggeration. In fact it's extremely accurate. He has injury issues. He has migraines which, while not technically an "injury", have at times been debilitating for him. Again, not a reason to completely disregard the idea of bringing him in, but a red flag for sure.



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How about we trade Flynn for Harvin but put a little "Poison Pill" in the deal to screw Minnesota over like they screwed us in the past.


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Migraines frighten me....Harvin's in particular. As good as the kid has been, he's also proven to be a me first diva. Considering his flair for dramatics and pissy temperment, how do we know when he's having migraines or just having an un-provable pissy-fit? The best way to protect ourselves from having to ask that question is just pass on him. He's about to command huge money and with the rookie cap in place, I'd *sooner use our 1 on the next Harvin at a fraction of the cost / attitude.

* I do not want to use our 1 on a receiver but would prefer this route over Harvin. Chemistry and all that.


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Harvin would be a MAJOR upgrade at WR. He is arguably the most electric and best YAC receiver in the NFL at this time. If Seattle doesn't want him because they think Golden Tate is the answer, they would be foolish.

I think WR is a very big need for Seattle, and hope they can bring in one of the big WRs available like Mike Wallace, Dwayne Bowe, Percy Harvin, Wes Welker, Greg Jennings, etc.

Watching the games closely, a major reason why RW has to scramble so much is because the WRs can not get separation. Sure, there are lots of times where he scrambled too early, or missed seeing the open receiver, but a big part of it was the receivers being blanketed.

This team does not have a true WR1 in the NFL who commands coverage and helps other receivers get open.


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 Post subject: Re: Percy Harvin's Availaibility
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HawkWow wrote:
Migraines frighten me....Harvin's in particular.


His migraines have been cured. When you take that into account for his games missed earlier in his career, then you mainly have the ankle injury from last year.

http://www.twincities.com/sports/ci_183 ... ck_check=1


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 Post subject: Re: Percy Harvin's Availaibility
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How about we trade Flynn for Harvin but put a little "Poison Pill" in the deal to screw Minnesota over like they screwed us in the past.


That's how we got Nate Burleson.

NFL also doesn't allow those type of Poison Pill clauses any longer.

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 Post subject: Re: Percy Harvin's Availaibility
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Personally, I am a diehard Seahawk fan. As I know all of the rest of you are. How would you feel about a Flynn/3rd Round flip for Harvin/Joe Webb (very hypothetical)? Harvin is a game changer and we all know what the Vikings were able to accomplish with Favre, Harvin, and Rice. Furthermore, I am very intrigued by the possibility of Harvin, Rice, and Wilson working together. I believe Harvin would immensely improve our team. Also, I am a slight Golden Tate fan but I think he is an obvious "poor man's" version to Harvin, just my opinion. I would love others thoughts.............Thanks!


Harvin only ran a 4.28 low at the combine. I dunno...????


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 Post subject: Re: Percy Harvin's Availaibility
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Rice, Tate, & Harvin...well maybe but I wouldn't give up Rice or Tate just to get Harvin. those guys are developing chemistry with our young QB. Heck Tate probably spent the weekend watching tape and running plays with Russell.


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Rice, Tate, & Harvin...well maybe but I wouldn't give up Rice or Tate just to get Harvin. those guys are developing chemistry with our young QB. Heck Tate probably spent the weekend watching tape and running plays with Russell.


Do they still use "tape"?


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 Post subject: Re: Percy Harvin's Availaibility
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Call me crazy but my gut tells me there is a very good chance we make a trade for him, like 67% probable, Danny Kelly swayed me like 17%

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