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That's grand, but I'm more interested in how strong his legs are.


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haters gonna hate.

Im sure when he is pounding dudes into the ground next season most around here will be saying...yup...thought he would be awesome all along, just needed to stay healthy.

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We've all said this a hundred times - but after a full roster rebuild, don't we have unwavering faith in our FO?

I would say since Carpenter is still here, he must be doing some things right. Enough so, that it's worth taking the time to bring him to an elite level. I think it's conjecture on what those things could be - but throw out a few of them:
- Playbook knowledge
- Thinks the right way
- Done everything that's asked / great attitude
- Workouts / Weight control / Size
- Flexibility (RT, OG)
- Practices show improvement
- Rapport with teammates

I think we all remember him being road graded in pass protection his rookie year. Is that realistic to think he should have been ready? Maybe! But the fact he's still here means something.

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The guy was healthy all through college. I ave a good feeling about his future here, he just needed to get to a good health level before the season started and I think this will be the first year he actually is.

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I'm not worried about his talent. I could care less that he washed out at Tackle; that's why Tackles are rated so highly....you can always slide them inside and utilize them usually.

I don't think he's snake bit, or injury prone, as this has been all about his one knee. The problem is, it's now become a recurring knee injury. I just hope this slow progress (or lack of progress that we've heard about) is more about the coaching staff bringing back Carp slowly than his inability to get back on the field.


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He was never drafted to be a Tackle. Pay attention, kids.

He's my sleeper this year, dudes a mauler, in the mold of the 90's Cowboys.


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... don't we have unwavering faith in our FO?


No.

They're human, just like the rest of us. Although I don't pretend to be as knowledgeable, I never agreed with their management of Carpenter's late season knee reconstruction.

I would be similarly critical of them pushing Clemons back as early too. The risk of never having a functional Clemons again (or more precisely the risk of having to rely on all of the remaining defenders to provide their demonstrated pass rush) is simply too high to warrant those extra 3-6 games at the early part of the season. It could conceivably take a couple (more) years worth of high draft choices and UFAs to get to a point where Clemons isn't doing this on his own.

I don't have to be a professional to disagree with them. It's not a requirement. And I'm not wired that way to just 'Trust in <blank>'. I expect them to make mistakes because that's the nature of the business. Good FO's are right more often but they are still frequently wrong.


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... don't we have unwavering faith in our FO?


No.

They're human, just like the rest of us. Although I don't pretend to be as knowledgeable, I never agreed with their management of Carpenter's late season knee reconstruction.

I would be similarly critical of them pushing Clemons back as early too. The risk of never having a functional Clemons again (or more precisely the risk of having to rely on all of the remaining defenders to provide their demonstrated pass rush) is simply too high to warrant those extra 3-6 games at the early part of the season. It could conceivably take a couple (more) years worth of high draft choices and UFAs to get to a point where Clemons isn't doing this on his own.

I don't have to be a professional to disagree with them. It's not a requirement. And I'm not wired that way to just 'Trust in <blank>'. I expect them to make mistakes because that's the nature of the business. Good FO's are right more often but they are still frequently wrong.


The original "In ____ we trust" is a bit tongue-in-cheek - but they do have an undeniable remarkable track record. The point I was trying to draw out is the fact that Carpenter could easily be replaced based upon performance on the field and the roster/cap commitment due to him. But the FO must see something tangible besides the "dead money" attached to 2013 as the only reason to keep him around and try to make him serviceable. (Reference: http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/seattle-seah ... carpenter/)

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haters gonna hate.

Im sure when he is pounding dudes into the ground next season most around here will be saying...yup...thought he would be awesome all along, just needed to stay healthy.

Your right because that is the biggest knock on the guy, but who cares that everyone on this site says the guy is good just needs to be on the field... You are 100% sure he will be healthy and will be able to come on here and say See I told you so.....


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That's grand, but I'm more interested in how strong his legs are.



They have to be pretty strong he is well over 300. I'm impressed with the young man. He has been busting it in the off season

Remember all the people saying Unger was a bust? I see Carp having a good season


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Happypuppy wrote:
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That's grand, but I'm more interested in how strong his legs are.



They have to be pretty strong he is well over 300. I'm impressed with the young man. He has been busting it in the off season

Remember all the people saying Unger was a bust? I see Carp having a good season


And Okung, and Tate...

Gotta give it three years. You really can't evaluate boom/bust until then.

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Looks like 405 from my vantage.

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kira wrote:
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haters gonna hate.

Im sure when he is pounding dudes into the ground next season most around here will be saying...yup...thought he would be awesome all along, just needed to stay healthy.

Your right because that is the biggest knock on the guy, but who cares that everyone on this site says the guy is good just needs to be on the field... You are 100% sure he will be healthy and will be able to come on here and say See I told you so.....


"You're" right, that is exactly my plan.

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haters gonna hate.

Im sure when he is pounding dudes into the ground next season most around here will be saying...yup...thought he would be awesome all along, just needed to stay healthy.

Your right because that is the biggest knock on the guy, but who cares that everyone on this site says the guy is good just needs to be on the field... You are 100% sure he will be healthy and will be able to come on here and say See I told you so.....


"You're" right, that is exactly my plan.

I don't know but he does sound similar to Choom...just saying it takes 2-3 seasons to have a solid idea of what a player really is, many times, even longer depending on circumstances.

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Looks like 405 from my vantage.

Done that.


Mmmmm, boy you so strong ;)

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Looks like 405 from my vantage.

Done that.


Mmmmm, boy you so strong ;)


...and hetero! ;)

I realized after posting that, it probably sounded arrogant and I'd likely take some heat.
No arrogance here..... more like flat on my back, facing another major surgery because of lifting heavy. I miss it, I'm medicated and I made the mistake of posting while medicated. Thanks for stepping on my neck.. ;)

Back on topic...If he makes 53, I am confident this will be Carpenter's break out year. Why? Because he won't make 53 if PC and Cable think it won't be his break out year. If he succeeds, it will be like a bonus at this point.


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nsport wrote:
We've all said this a hundred times - but after a full roster rebuild, don't we have unwavering faith in our FO?

I would say since Carpenter is still here, he must be doing some things right. Enough so, that it's worth taking the time to bring him to an elite level. I think it's conjecture on what those things could be - but throw out a few of them:
- Playbook knowledge
- Thinks the right way
- Done everything that's asked / great attitude
- Workouts / Weight control / Size
- Flexibility (RT, OG)
- Practices show improvement
- Rapport with teammates

I think we all remember him being road graded in pass protection his rookie year. Is that realistic to think he should have been ready? Maybe! But the fact he's still here means something.


'Road graded' in pass protection? Really?! :???:


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I realized after posting that, it probably sounded arrogant and I'd likely take some heat.
No arrogance here..... more like flat on my back, facing another major surgery because of lifting heavy. I miss it, I'm medicated and I made the mistake of posting while medicated. Thanks for stepping on my neck.. ;)

Back on topic...If he makes 53, I am confident this will be Carpenter's break out year. Why? Because he won't make 53 if PC and Cable think it won't be his break out year. If he succeeds, it will be like a bonus at this point.


Haha just giving you a hard time. I agree about Carp- this could very well be his breakout year, and it's fun imagining a healthy left side of the line consisting of Okung, Carpenter, and Unger. Could potentially be the best left side in football.

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I realized after posting that, it probably sounded arrogant and I'd likely take some heat.
No arrogance here..... more like flat on my back, facing another major surgery because of lifting heavy. I miss it, I'm medicated and I made the mistake of posting while medicated. Thanks for stepping on my neck.. ;)

Back on topic...If he makes 53, I am confident this will be Carpenter's break out year. Why? Because he won't make 53 if PC and Cable think it won't be his break out year. If he succeeds, it will be like a bonus at this point.


Haha just giving you a hard time. I agree about Carp- this could very well be his breakout year, and it's fun imagining a healthy left side of the line consisting of Okung, Carpenter, and Unger. Could potentially be the best left side in football.



..."best left side in football". Thanks. I was thinking it, but wanted someone else to say it. ;)


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Unfortunately that's only 50% of his weight.

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I realized after posting that, it probably sounded arrogant and I'd likely take some heat.
No arrogance here..... more like flat on my back, facing another major surgery because of lifting heavy. I miss it, I'm medicated and I made the mistake of posting while medicated. Thanks for stepping on my neck.. ;)

Back on topic...If he makes 53, I am confident this will be Carpenter's break out year. Why? Because he won't make 53 if PC and Cable think it won't be his break out year. If he succeeds, it will be like a bonus at this point.


Haha just giving you a hard time. I agree about Carp- this could very well be his breakout year, and it's fun imagining a healthy left side of the line consisting of Okung, Carpenter, and Unger. Could potentially be the best left side in football.



I would LOVE to see this but I remain cautiously optimistic. Okung and Unger came around eventually, so hope springs eternal.


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Unfortunately that's only 50% of his weight.


That's just not right bro.

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Looks like 405 from my vantage.

Done that.

Nice!

But aren't those 4 fiftys on eafh side plus I see a smaller one on the right. 15#? Plus the bar..... it could be 445#... helluva lift either way.

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Unfortunately that's only 50% of his weight.

Sh*t, at almost 900# that should be an amazing blocker!! His nickname is now "The Monument"

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'Road graded' in pass protection? Really?! :???:



Yea - they pushed him back right into the quarterback with regularity.... it was sad to watch. Maybe a better term is "unable to stop the bull rush"

Was looking for videos demonstrating it - but found this which I thought was telling:

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I'm with the 'the coaches must see something in him to keep him around" crowd. I also think that it takes a couple of years, and it could be longer if injuries are involved.

One indicator of how the FO/coaches feel is that they didn't go out of their way to pick his replacement, either in FA or the '12 draft. It would seem that if they had major concerns, they would have drafted OL in the 2nd/3rd round, instead of waiting to pick up 3rd day projects like they did. Or made a move there, instead of skill position players like Harvin and Willson.

One other thing is that we may now have enough OL depth to let this situation play out a little longer. IMHO, the risk is pretty low that hanging on to Carp will be a major drag on the team. We did pretty well without him, and Cable seems to have a knack for coaching up guys to step in to cover for the inevitable injuries.

I'm in favor of letting him continue to work to get back on the field. I think he could eventually be a major asset.

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I'm with the 'the coaches must see something in him to keep him around" crowd. I also think that it takes a couple of years, and it could be longer if injuries are involved.

One indicator of how the FO/coaches feel is that they didn't go out of their way to pick his replacement, either in FA or the '12 draft. It would seem that if they had major concerns, they would have drafted OL in the 2nd/3rd round, instead of waiting to pick up 3rd day projects like they did. Or made a move there, instead of skill position players like Harvin and Willson.

One other thing is that we may now have enough OL depth to let this situation play out a little longer. IMHO, the risk is pretty low that hanging on to Carp will be a major drag on the team. We did pretty well without him, and Cable seems to have a knack for coaching up guys to step in to cover for the inevitable injuries.

I'm in favor of letting him continue to work to get back on the field. I think he could eventually be a major asset.


I like the cut of your jib....

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Looks like 405 from my vantage.

Done that.

Nice!

But aren't those 4 fiftys on eafh side plus I see a smaller one on the right. 15#? Plus the bar..... it could be 445#... helluva lift either way.



Good eye...'I stand erected' (not physically but figuratively).

I sincerely hope, for his sake, that he makes the most of this opportunity. His body will start betraying him by his 35th birthday. He'll be injecting so much cortisone and eating so many pain killers that he'll be pouring milk and sugar over them for breakfast. But if he becomes all he is capable of, the pain will be worth it (thinks me). Tax will always get paid, which is fine, as long as some profit remains thereafter. I wish him well both in and out of the uniform.

445 lbs? Uh-uh...never saw that crazy weight. ; )


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Carp is going to break someone, in half this season.

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HawkWow wrote:
Looks like 405 from my vantage.

Done that.


He's got four 45's and two 10's on each side - that's 445. It'd be cooler without the bro spot from the trainer. Based on his bar speed and reps he can do way more than 445 for his 1RM. He's not going to win any powerlifting meets given his weight but the guy is strong.

Now I'd like to see him squat. A big boy like him should be able to squat 600 pounds raw no problem.


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BeMorePunk (love the name)...Wouldn't that add up to 425?

Regardless, it does not detract from your point: the guy is clearly a monster (especially if we're talking about multiple reps, as in more than 1).

I remember Steve Emtman threw around some incredible weight in his day. Brian Habib as well (Go Dawgs).


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Unfortunately, Carpenter is a bust.


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Unfortunately, Carpenter is a bust.



Your use of the word "Unfortunately" would only hold true if you were associated with the Seahawk org., a Carpenter family member or..... a fan of the team.

Fortunately, it is too early to be calling Carpenter a bust. Log in again this time next year so we can revisit the subject. Thanks (well) in advance.


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BeMorePunk (love the name)...Wouldn't that add up to 425?

Regardless, it does not detract from your point: the guy is clearly a monster (especially if we're talking about multiple reps, as in more than 1).

I remember Steve Emtman threw around some incredible weight in his day. Brian Habib as well (Go Dawgs).


Sorry - math geek protruding right now... me likes accuracy:

45 X 8 = 360
10 X 4 = 40
Bar = 45
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My bad (not my math), I misread his post and thought he said 2 10 lb plates (instead of 4). Regardless, it's an assload of weight (and hell on tendons, discs and vertebrae). Clearly, Carpenter is ALL IN.


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