Article:2013, 2005, or 1984--Greatest Team in Hawks History?

2013, 2005, or 1984 -- Which is the Greatest Team in Seahawks History?

  • 2013 Seahawks

    Votes: 99 87.6%
  • 2005 Seahawks

    Votes: 9 8.0%
  • 1984 Seahawks

    Votes: 4 3.5%
  • Other (Explain)

    Votes: 1 0.9%

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2013, 2005, or 1984 -- Which is the Greatest Team in Seahawks History?

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While the Seahawks await the Saints this next Saturday, I thought it would fun to take a look at this year’s team in context of 2 other Seahawks teams of the past. While it’s easy to crown the 2013 Seahawks as being the best team in Seahawks History … I would argue that there are 2 other teams that are worthy of consideration of that honor as well -- the 2005 team (obviously) … and for many a forgotten team of the past -- the 1984 Seahawks. Before we get into the specific stories of those 2 other teams, let’s lay out the numbers side by side and compare these 3 greats, shall we? ...

[Note: as statistics really need to be looked at in the context of a particular year, I’ve also included the league averages by year for each of the categories we’ll be taking a look at below.]

Off. Category2013 Seahawks2013 League Avg.2005 Seahawks2005 League Avg.1984 Seahawks1984 League Avg.
Points Scored417 (Tied 8th)374.5452 (1st)329.9418 (5th)339.4
Scoring%40.7% (5th)33.97%38.9% (4th)31.08%NANA
Total Yards5,424 (17th)5,575.85,915 (2nd)5,054.75,068 (18th)5,276.5
Points Scored/Game26.1 (Tied 8th)23.4128.2 (1st)20.6126.1 (5th)21.2
Yards/Game339.0 (17th)348.48369.7 (2nd)315.92316.8 (18th)329.79
Rushing Attempts509 (2nd)433.5519 (7th)449.22495 (12th)493.25
Rushing Yards2,188 (4th)1806.192,457 (3rd)1799.471,645 (25th)1982.25
Avg. Rushing Yards/Game136.8 (4th)112.89153.6 (3rd)112.5102.8 (25th)123.9
Avg. Yards/Rush4.3 (Tied 12th)4.24.7 (Tied 2nd)4.03.3 (Last)4.0
Rushing TD’s14 (Tied 13th)12.829 (1st)13.510 (Tied 23rd)14.6
1st Downs307 (Tied 20th)319.1361 (2nd)294.6287 (23rd)309.2
Pass Attempts420 (31st)566.8474 (23rd)514.5497 (14th)511.6
Passing Yards3,236 (26th)3,769.73,458 (13th)3,255.33,423 (10th)3,294.2
Avg. Passing Yards/Game202.2 (26th)235.6216.1 (13th)203.5213.9 (10th)205.9
Avg. Yards/Pass Attempt8.4 (2nd)7.17.7 (Tied 5th)6.87.5 (7th)7.1
Avg. Yards/Reception13.1 (3rd)11.611.8 (Tied 12th)11.413.3 (Tied 7th)12.7
Pass Completion%63.6% (9th)61.2%64.8% (4th)59.5%56.9% (12th)56.4%
Passing TD’s27 (10th)25.125 (Tied 5th)20.132 (3rd)22
QB Rating102.4 (5th)84.196.8 (3rd)78.280.6 (7th)73.2
Interceptions Thrown9 (Tied 30th)15.710 (Tied 30th)15.826 (Tied 5th)20.9
Sacks Allowed44 (Tied 10th)40.527 (Tied 27th)36.942 (Tied 19th)46.9
[tdo=7]2013, 2005, and 1984 Seahawks OFFENSIVE Comparison …[/tdo]

Def. Category2013 Seahawks2013 League Avg.2005 Seahawks2005 League Avg.1984 Seahawks1984 League Avg.
Points Allowed231 (1st)374.5271 (7th)329.9282 (5th)339.4
Total Yards Allowed4,378 (1st)5,575.85,069 (Tied 16th)5,054.74,963 (6th)5,276.5
Points Allowed/Game14.4 (1st)23.4116.9 (7th)20.6117.6 (5th)21.2
Yards Allowed/Game[td]273.6 (1st)348.48316.8 (Tied 16th)315.92310.2 (6th)329.79
Rushing Attempts Against422 (10th Fewest)433.5420 (10th Fewest)449.22475 (18th)493.25
Rushing Yards Allowed1,626 (Tied 7th Fewest)1806.191,510 (5th Fewest)1799.471,789 (6th Fewest)1982.25
Avg. Rushing Yards Allowed/Game101.6 (Tied 7th Fewest)112.8994.4 (5th Fewest)112.5111.8 (6th Fewest)123.9
Avg. Yards/Rush Allowed3.9 (Tied 7th Fewest)4.23.6 (Tied 4th Fewest)4.03.8 (Tied 7th Fewest)4.0
Rushing TD’s Allowed4 (Tied Fewest)12.85 (2nd Fewest)13.511 (Tied 8th Fewest)14.6
1st Downs Allowed282 (Tied 3rd Fewest)319.1295 (Tied 17th)294.6288 (5th Fewest)309.2
Pass Attempts Against524 (7th Fewest)566.8571 (29th)514.5521 (18th)511.6
Passing Yards Allowed2,752 (Fewest)3,769.73,559 (25th)3,255.33,174 (10th Fewest)3,294.2
Avg. Passing Yards/Game Allowed172.0 (Fewest)235.6222.4 (25th)203.5198.4 (10th Fewest)205.9
Avg. Yards/Pass Attempt Allowed5.8 (Fewest)7.16.8 (Tied 17th)6.86.9 (Tied 8th)7.1
Avg. Yards/Reception Allowed9.9 (Fewest)11.611.7 (Tied 22nd)11.413.5 (Tied 25th)12.7
Pass Completion% Allowed59.0% (Tied 9th Fewest)61.2%58.0% (Tied 12th Fewest)59.5%50.9% (5th Fewest)56.4%
Passing TD’s Allowed16 (2nd Fewest)25.118 (Tied 9th Fewest)20.118 (Tied 7th Fewest)22
QB Rating Allowed63.4 (Best)84.177.4 (Tied 12th)78.254.2 (Best)73.2
Interceptions28 (1st)15.716 (Tied 14th)15.838 (1st)20.9
Sacks44 (Tied 8th)40.550 (1st)36.955 (Tied 7th)46.9
[tdo=7]2013, 2005, and 1984 Seahawks DEFENSIVE Comparison …[/tdo]

Give Away/Take Away Margin …
2013 Seahawks … +20 (1st)
2005 Seahawks … +10 (7th)
1984 Seahawks … +24 (1st)


While I could wax poetic about them, the story of the 2013 Seahawks is still being written in many ways and is obviously right in front of us. So, let’s delve in deeper to those other 2 teams of the past and recount some Hawks' history ...


The 2005 Seahawks … Record: 13-3 ...
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Fresh off a less than stellar 9-7 season the year prior, the story of the 2005 Seahawks began in an unlikely fashion with an extreme amount of change and turnover. Team owner Paul Allen set the tone for the year, firing GM Bob Whitsitt on January 14th (the same day Ted Thompson left to become the GM of the Packers) and bringing back Mike Reinfeldt on February 3rd as a consultant to help sort out the huge mess the Seahawks had. At the time of Whitsitt’s firing, the Hawks had 16 Free Agents, including Matt Hasselbeck, Shawn Alexander, and Walter Jones. Reinfeldt pulled off an absolute miracle in short order, inking Hasselbeck and Jones to long term deals … and franchising Alexander to stem the tide of what could have been a tsunami of a disaster for the team. Tim Ruskell was hired on February 23, 2005 as GM and in his 1 stellar season really reshaped the identity of the team, letting go of high profile free agents like DE Chike Okeafor, LB Chad Brown, and LB Anthony Simmons … and bringing in a lot of no name free agents (who became key contributors) like WR Joe Jurevicius, DE Joe Tafoya, LB Jamie Sharper, and CB Kelly Herndon. The Seahawks also nabbed ⅔ of their starting LB corps for the next few years in April’s NFL Draft, selecting Pro Bowl MLB Lofa Tatupu in the 2nd Round … and Leroy Hill in the 3rd Round.

Seattle stumbled right out of the gate, losing at Jacksonville 26-14 in the Season Opener as Seattle turned the ball over 5 times that day. From there though, the team went on a roll, winning 13 of its final 15 games including 11 in a row at one point. Powered by an offensive line that featured 2 of the greatest lineman to ever play the game in LT Walter Jones and LG Steve Hutchinson, Seattle finished with league-leading 452 Points Scored. Let’s take a look at a brief breakdown of the offense that year ...

Rush AttemptsRushing YardsYards/CarryRuns of 20 Yards+Touchdowns
3701,8805.11427 Rushing (1 Receiving)
[tdo=5]Shaun Alexander’s 2005 Rushing Stats[/tdo]

Shaun Alexander’s 2005 Season was one for the ages, as he set the team record for most rushing yards in a season. Not only that, but Alexander would break Priest Holmes’s record for the most Rushing TD’s in a season in NFL History.

Shaun Alexander 2005 Highlights ...
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Shaun Alexander not only made the Pro Bowl -- he was named MVP of the League. He was absolute money to get in to the end zone within the 20 yard line, but it should be noted that FB Mack Strong’s lead blocking was instrumental to Alexander’s success that year as well -- a fact that didn’t go unnoticed, as Strong made the Pro Bowl as well.

Alexander’s mercurial season also allowed QB Matt Hasselbeck to have one of his finest seasons as well …

Pass Comp.Pass Att.Comp%YardsTD’sINT’sQB RatingTimes Sacked
29444965.5%3,45924998.2 (Best in NFC)24
[tdo=8]Matt Hasselbeck’s 2005 Statistics[/tdo]

That rhythm passing attack of Mike Holmgren’s West Coast Offense was humming along, as Hasselbeck spread the ball around well that year ...

ReceiverSizeCatchesYardsYards/CatchTD’s#Catches of 20 Yds+
WR Bobby Engram5’10” 188 Lbs6777811.637
WR Joe Jurevicius6’5” 230 Lbs5569412.6109
TE Jerramy Stevens6’7” 260 Lbs4555412.357
WR Darrell Jackson6’0” 201 Lbs3848212.734
WR D.J. Hackett6’2” 199 Lbs2840014.325
FB Mack Strong6’0” 245 Lbs221667.502
[tdo=7]2005 Seahawks Top Receiving Targets[/tdo]

Together, that group dominated the NFL, as they were near the top in several statistical categories that year.

The 2005 Defense…

On the Defensive side of the ball, the Seahawks that year had their share of playmakers as well ...


PlayerSizeTacklesTackles for LossSacksForced FumblesINT’sPasses Defensed
MLB Lofa Tatupu6’0” 238 Lbs10454.00310
LB LeRoy Hill6’1” 224 Lbs7257.5202
S Jordan Babineaux6’0” 200 Lbs7430138
SS Michael Boulware6’3” 220 Lbs7322.0149
FS Marquand Manuel6’0” 209 Lbs7120102
CB Marcus Trufant5’11” 199 Lbs6431.01114
LB D.D. Lewis6’1” 241 Lbs6230101
CB Kelly Herndon6’0” 200 Lbs5410128
DE Grant Wistrom6’4” 272 Lbs5234.0006
DT Rocky Bernard6’3” 293 Lbs5268.5003
DE Bryce Fisher6’3” 272 Lbs4749.0100
DT Marcus Tubbs6’4” 324 Lbs4025.5202
LB Jamie Sharper6’3” 240 Lbs3710100
CB Jimmy Williams5’11” 190 Lbs3300025
LB Kevin Bentley6’1” 245 Lbs3120001
DT Chartric Darby6’0” 200 Lbs3022.5000
DE Joe Tafoya6’4” 278 Lbs2911.0101
FS Ken Hamlin6’2” 209 Lbs2600002
CB Andre Dyson5’10” 183 Lbs20001110
DT Craig Terrill6’2” 294 Lbs1832.0002
[tdo=8]2005 Seahawks Top Defensive Playmakers[/tdo]

2005’s Defensive Unit was a fairly stout group that was fairly stingy in terms of Points Allowed (they ranked 7th Best that year with 16.9 Points/Game Allowed) thanks in large part to a strong pass rush (their 50 Sacks was #1 in the NFL that year) and a crew that didn’t give up a lot of yards on the ground (only 94.4 Yards/Game -- 5th Fewest that year).

Seattle owed a lot of its success that year to a pair of rookie LB’s who would help transform that defense in to one of the better units in football. Lofa Tatupu with his incredible ability to read and react seemingly faster than anyone in the NFL … and LeRoy Hill with his great sideline to sideline speed made Seattle’s run defense one of the best in football in 2005. Tatupu would make the Pro Bowl his rookie season and cement himself as the captain of that defense.

Though Seattle’s defense was very good that year, they weren’t without their problems. The Seahawks secondary suffered its first real loss when FS Ken Hamlin was placed on Injured Reserve after he was severely injured in a fight at a Seattle night club on October 17, 2005. That forced Marquand Manuel in to the starting lineup … and Manuel responded well at the free safety position, giving up far fewer big plays than Hamlin, who always seemed to favor going for the knockout blow and compromising coverage in the process. However, depth in the defensive backfield would become an issue that would eventually rear its ugly head in the Super Bowl. If there was a weakness on this team, it would be Seattle’s secondary, as they were more of a bend but don’t break kind of unit that surrendered a lot of yards, though not a lot of points …

3,559 Passing Yards Allowed (25th)
222.4 Passing Yards/Game Allowed (25th)
6.8 Yards/Pass Allowed (Tied 17th)
11.7 Yards/Reception Allowed (Tied 22nd)
18 Passing TD’s Allowed (9th Fewest)

Post-season

The #1 Seed and Home Field Advantage worked well for Seattle the first time around (let’s hope it does again), as the Hawks beat …

The Redskins at Century Link Field 20-10 on January 10th, 2005 despite losing Shaun Alexander to a concussion in that game.

The Panthers in convincing fashion in the NFC Championship Game at Century Link Field 34-14 on January 22, 2005.

The magic carpet ride would come to an end in Detroit though, as the Steelers walked away as the champs of Super Bowl XL 21-10. That game was fraught with controversy however, as there were several questionable calls made at key moments. In an ESPN Poll done on February 7th after the game, 61.7% of the 103,167 respondents felt that officiating mistakes affected the game. Coach Holmgren agreed and at a rally at Cenutry Link Field afterwards said, "We knew it was going to be tough going against the Pittsburgh Steelers. I didn't know we were going to have to play the guys in the striped shirts as well." The fact that Holmgren was never fined speaks volumes as does the fact that in 2010 official Bill Leavy showed up to Seahawks training camp and admitted that he blew 2 calls in that game. Let’s hope that doesn’t happen this time around.

Most of us know a lot about the 2005 Seahawks though. Let’s move on and talk about a club that many around here might not be as familiar with ...


The 1984 Seahawks … Record: 12-4 ...

For those of you who have the time, I highly recommend Clare Farnsworth’s article on the 1984 season and the 23 minute NFL films documentary video he has attached to it …

NFL Films Video: From the Heart -- The Story of the 1984 Seattle Seahawks

I promise it will be well worth your time to honor the memory of a season that should never be forgotten by Seattle sports fans. 21 Years before the Seahawks miracle ride of 2005 … Seattle fans were treated to another season of Hawks football that was no less miraculous. Like in 2005, the Seahawks had just come off a 9-7 season -- but unlike 2004, the 1983 season was one of hope. Like the Mariners of 1995, no one envisioned great things from a club that struggled to maintain .500 during the regular season. But the 1983 Seahawks (like the 1995 Mariners) are a real testament to that fact that’s it’s all about GETTING INTO playoffs and that once you’re there -- anything can happen. And it most certainly did happen for the 1983 Hawks. Fueled by rookie RB Curt Warner (who won AFC Rookie of the Year), Steve Largent, and a tough but at times suspect defense, Seattle went from a team that sneaked into the playoffs as a Wild Card … all the way to the AFC Championship Game. Though the Seahawks lost to the eventual Super Bowl Champion Oakland Raiders in the AFC Championship 30-14, hopes were high that the next season Seattle would find themselves hoisting the Lombardi Trophy.

All of those hopes and dreams for the 1984 Season appeared to go up in flames like the Hindenburg right from the get go in the opener however. Although Seattle pounded the Browns 33-0 in front of a raucous 12th Man at the Kingdome on Monday Night Football, one play would change the course of the entire season. On a toss sweep to the the right in the 2nd Quarter, RB Curt Warner tore the ACL in his right knee and was lost for the season. For Head Coach Chuck Knox, Warner’s injury was a devastating blow. Above all things, Knox believed in 2 things -- hard nosed tough defense … and ball control offense by running the ball, running the ball, and then running it some more. Somewhere, Pete Carroll is smiling in admiration.

After Warner’s injury, Seahawks GM Mike McCormack went into scramble mode, inking former Steeler legend Franco Harris the next week. But the days of the Immaculate Reception were as long past as Go Go Clubs for the then 34 year old future Hall of Famer. Though Harris and the rest of Seattle’s running back by committee put forth a noble effort, their numbers speak for themselves …

PlayerSizeRush AttemptsRushing YardsYards/CarryTouchdowns
FB David Hughes6’0” 220 Lbs943273.51
RB Eric Lane6’0” 195 Lbs802993.74
RB Dan Doornink6’3” 210 Lbs572153.80
RB Randall Morris6’0” 190 Lbs581893.30
QB Dave Krieg6’1” 185 Lbs461864.03
FB Franco Harris6’2” 225 Lbs681702.50
RB/KR Zachary Dixon6’1” 204 Lbs521492.92
Team TotalsNA4951,6453.310
[tdo=6]Seattle Top Running Backs’ 1984 Rushing Stats[/tdo]

The 1984 Seahawks Running game ended the season ranked …

23rd out of 28 Teams in Rushing Touchdowns (10)
25th in Rushing Yards Gained (1,645 Yards) despite having the 12th Most Rushing Attempts (495)
Dead Last in Rushing Yards/Attempt (Only 3.3 Yards/Carry)

For all intents and purposes, many of the offensive schemes that Seattle had been developing and working on throughout the entire offseason and training camp went right out the window after Warner went down. Knox could either allow the Seahawks season to be derailed … or he could innovate. A stunningly improbable transformation occurred in short order, as the leopard really did change his spots -- Ground Chuck (as he was affectionately known) suddenly morphed into Air Knox. Seattle chose to play to their strengths, passing 69.5% of the time that season. In the process, the Seahawks not only saved their season … they would post a team record for wins in a season that would not be broken for 21 years.

QB Dave Krieg (AKA Mudbone) responded with the best season of his career …

Pass Comp.Pass Att.Comp%YardsTD’sINT’sQB RatingTimes Sacked
27648057.5%3,671322483.340
[tdo=8]Dave Krieg’s 1984 Statistics[/tdo]

In 1984, 6.7% of all Krieg’s passes went for touchdowns (a rate that was 2nd that year only to Dan Marino). Dave Krieg’s 32 Passing TD’s and 3,671 Passing Yards in a season are Seahawk franchise records that still stand to this day.

Krieg connected with a number of targets that year ...

ReceiverSizeCatchesYardsYards/CatchTD’s
WR Steve Largent5’11” 184 Lbs741,16415.712
WR Daryl Turner6’3” 198 Lbs3571520.410
TE Charlie Young6’4” 234Lbs3333710.21
RB Dan Doornink6’3” 210 Lbs3136511.82
FB David Hughes6’0” 220 Lbs221215.51
WR Paul Johns5’11” 170 Lbs1720712.21
WR Byron Walker6’4” 190 Lbs1323618.21
RB Eric Lane6’0” 195 Lbs111019.21
RB Randall Morris6’0” 190 Lbs9616.80
TE Mike Tice6’7” 250 Lbs89011.33
WR Chris Castor6’0” 170 Lbs88911.10
WR Paul Skansi5’11” 190 Lbs78512.10
[tdo=7]1984 Seahawks Top Receiving Targets[/tdo]

Seattle averaged 26.1 Points/Game and finished 5th in the NFL in Points Scored (418) thanks in large part to the efforts of 2 very special and dominant receivers that year -- Steve Largent and Daryl Turner.

Those who never got a chance to see Steve Largent play are truly deprived. The knock on him coming in to the league was that he was simply too small and too slow (he only ran a 4.7 40 yard dash) to play receiver in this league. He was traded to the Seahawks by the Oilers in 1976 for an 8th round draft choice (as he was slated to be cut in Houston’s training camp) and the rest is history. Largent absolutely tortured opposing defensive backs with his ability to juke, weave, and cut on a dime at full speed. As a receiver, his hands were phenomenal, as he was human flypaper, catching nearly every pass that came his way. Largent had one of his better years in 1984, leading the team in catches (74), receiving yards (1,164), and touchdowns (12). For those of you out there who never got to see this Hall of Fame legend play, here is a short documentary film on him -- Enjoy!

Steve Largent video …
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The other guy who especially struck terror in the hearts of opposing DB’s in 1984 was Seattle’s 2nd Round Pick that year out of Michigan State -- Daryl Turner. With all due respect to guys like Joey Galloway and now Percy Harvin, a strong case can be made that Daryl Turner “the Afterburner” is the best deep threat in Seattle Seahawks history. As his nickname suggests, Turner was incredibly fast -- his career mark of 18.53 Yards/Reception is still a Seahawks record. Turner also holds the Seahawk rookie record for most receiving touchdowns by a rookie (10) as well as the Seahawk record for most receiving touchdowns in a season (13 in 1985). But Daryl Turner also holds the distinction of an eye popping stat that very may never be broken.

36% of the 101 receptions Daryl Turner caught in his meteoric career … went for touchdowns.

That’s an NFL Record (among receivers who have had at least 30 touchdowns in their career) for TD/Reception ratio that still stands to this day. It would have been interesting to see what the Seahawks could have done had his career not been cut short due to his alcohol and drug issues.

Though the achievements of those two are certainly laudable, it was Seahawks defense that truly left an indelible mark on the entire NFL landscape ...

PlayerSizeSacksFumble RecoveriesINT’sDefensive TD’s
NT Joe Nash6’3” 250 Lbs7.0301
DE Jeff Bryant6’5” 270 Lbs14.5210
DE Jacob Green6’3” 255 Lbs13.0400
DT/DE Mike Fanning6’6” 256 Lbs7.0000
SS Kenny Easley6’3” 206 Lbs01102
CB Dave Brown6’2” 190 Lbs0182
FS John Harris6’3” 206 Lbs1.0160
LB Greg Gaines6’3” 220 Lbs3.5010
CB Keith Simpson6’1” 195 Lbs2.0242
CB Terry Taylor5’10” 175 Lbs0030
LB Shelton Robinson6’3” 233 Lbs0.5400
CB Terry Jackson5’11” 197 Lbs0041
LB Bruce Scholtz6’6” 240 Lbs0110
LB Keith Butler6’4” 238 Lbs1.0000
LB Fredd Young6’1” 220 Lbs1.0000
DE Randy Edwards6’4” 255 Lbs1.5000
S Paul Moyer6’1” 201 Lbs1.0000
DT Dino Mangiero6’2” 270 Lbs1.0000
LB Michael Jackson6’1” 220 Lbs1.0000
S Don Dufek6’0” 195 Lbs0100
[tdo=8]1984 Seahawks Defensive Playmakers[/tdo]

It’s important to note that a great many individual defensive stats (i.e. Tackles, Forced Fumbles, and such) simply weren’t kept by teams prior to about 1991, so it’s hard to get an accurate handle sometimes on just how dominant a particular player or group was in a given year. Because of that, I think that some Seahawks fans who never saw that 1984 team play don’t grasp just how good that defense truly was. There is a reason that Seahawks broadcaster Paul Moyer hems and haws when he’s asked, “Is this 2013 Seahawks team the best defense in team history?” A lot of former members of that defense and fans who actually saw that team play might dispute that as well. With all due respect to the Legion of Boom, after a week of studying this group intensely, I’m starting to become convinced that THEY had the greatest defensive backfield in the history of Seahawks football. A strong case can be made. Let’s go through some of the accomplishments of the 1984 Seahawks Defense and that phenomenal secondary …

The 1984 Defense…

Forced 63 turnovers -- still the 2nd most turnovers forced in NFL History.

Forced 47 fumbles that year -- still tied for 3rd all time in NFL History

Combined with Special Teams either scored themselves or set up 188 points.

Had 38 Interceptions (#1 in the NFL that year and still the Seahawks record for interceptions in a season)

Returned 8 interceptions for touchdowns -- most in Seahawks History. In Week 10, Seattle’s secondary intercepted 3 different Kansas City Chief quarterbacks 6 times … and returned 4 of those interceptions for touchdowns (All for 50 yards or more. A total of 325 return yards) -- that’s an NFL record.

They held opposing QB’s to a QB Rating of just 54.2 (#1 in the NFL in 1984 and the best mark in Seahawks History)

Had a Give Away/Take Away Ratio of +24 (1st in the league in 1984 … and the best margin in Seahawks History)

The rest of the numbers (posted at the top of this article) don’t really give justice for just how imposing this unit truly was. There’s a reason that Dave Brown, Kenny Easley, and Jacob Green are all in the Seahawks Ring of Honor.

Jacob Green [13.0 Sacks] (current Seahawk Red Byrant’s father in law), Jeff Bryant [14.5 Sacks], Joe Nash [7.0 Sacks], and Mike Fanning [7.0 Sacks] gave Seattle one of the most fearsome pass rushes in the NFL that year. Jacob Green and Joe Nash both made All Pro that year, as did another member of that defense, who to this day is one of the best defensive backs to ever play in the National Football League -- Kenny Easley.

I love Kam Chancellor and everything he brings to this current Seahawks Defense. That said, if I had the ability to some how, some way replace him with the 1984 version of Kenny Easley -- I would do it in a heartbeat. Kenny Easley wasn’t just a great safety -- he had “hide the women and children” ability and was absolutely as good as anyone who has ever played the position. His unique blend of size and speed made him a ferocious hitter. He was not only a sure tackler … he also had fantastic coverage ability and ball skills as well (if you combine Kam Chancellor with Earl Thomas, you would get Easley). Without a doubt, he is the best Strong Safety in the history of Seahawks football. Tragically though, a kidney condition brought upon by excessive Ibuprofen use felled the superstar after only 7 years. For those who never saw him play, here is a brief documentary film on him -- if you’re at all a fan of the NFL, you’ll literally salivate over the sheer talent this guy had ...

Kenny Easley Highlights …
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Easley led the NFL in interceptions (10) and was unanimously named NFL Defensive Player of the Year by the AP in 1984. Easley along with FS John Harris (6 INT’s), CB Dave Brown (8 INT’s), and Keith Simpson (4 INT’s), Terry Jackson (4 INT’s), and 1st round draft choice Terry Taylor (3 INT’s) formed a ballhawking secondary that could be argued was the greatest in franchise history and certainly one of the best in NFL History.

Though Special Teams coverage team stats weren’t really kept in those days, Seattle’s Special Teams was also considered to be the best in the NFL in 1984. Fredd Young was voted for the Pro Bowl (a future starting LB for the Seahawks who would be named to 4 consecutive Pro Bowls) and Special Teams captain Eric Lane selected as an alternate that year.

Post-season

Because of their 2nd place finish in the AFC West (the Broncos went 13-3 in 1984), the Seahawks came in to the playoffs as the Wild Card that year.

In the 1st Round of the playoffs, Seattle beat the Super Bowl Defending Champion Raiders 13-7, knocking them off their pedestal.

Seattle’s magic carpet ride came to an abrupt halt the next week however, as the Seahawks ran into one of the greatest buzz-saws in the history of the NFL -- the 1984 Dolphins. In 1984, Dan Marino passed for 5,084 Yards and 48 Touchdowns (4th Most TD’s in a Season in NFL History) --they proceeded to carve up Seattle to the tune of 31-10 that year and in the process exact a measure of revenge for knocking them out of the playoffs in 1983.

Though it began in tragedy and turmoil, in so many ways the 1984 season became one of triumph. Seattle won more games (12) than any previous team in franchise history and set a standard for excellence that would not be equalled for 2 decades. It was also Coach Chuck Knox’s finest hour as well, as he won NFL Coach of the Year honors hands down.

And the 1984 Season made a lasting mark on the Seahawks and their fans -- the impact of which has been felt at every home game since that time. On December 15, 1984 (before the Seahawks final home game against the Broncos that season), former Seahawks interim coach, Director of Football Operations, and GM Mike McCormack made the announcement that the Seahawks #12 jersey would be forever retired in honor of the fans. So, 12th Man -- it all started here in 1984.

So Seahawk fans, after all of that … which Seahawk team do you believe is the best of all time? Cast your vote and let’s discuss it …
 

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Wow! Great thread! I'm gonna read it all over the next 4-5 days. ;-) I know it's good though because you're a badass. Thanks for posting.
 

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Wow - just saw Joe Nash's height/weight. Weird to think that our NT that year (they played a pure 3/4 defense for a few seasons during that era) was essentially the same size as three of our linebackers this season - Wright, Irvin, and Schofield. If Bryant and Green were playing during this era, both would likely be 3/4 OLB, or would be possibly limited in scheme fit to only play for a traditional 4/3 team. The game has changed a bit over the past 30 years.....
 

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The depth is what puts the 2013 edition over the top vs the 2005 team. Next man up can play. KJ Wright goes down? Malcolm Smith to the rescue. Browner out? Maxwell... wow. OK, so the one huge issue area is the O-line. Russell Okung goes down? Chewing gum and baling twine. But even with the fill-in O-Line, Russell Wilson works miracles. Of course, we've also been lucky that Earl, Sherman have been healthy. Plus, the 2012 Seahawks would have been in the Super Bowl with one more pass rusher; when Clemons went down, Matt Ryan had a field day with time to throw.

The '84 team worked wonders. They had fatal flaws that could be exposed in playoff situations.
I actually thought the '86 team that went 10-6 but missed the playoffs was a better overall team (at the end of the season) than the 1984 team, and could have gone deep into the playoffs.
Going into Dallas and stomping the Cowboys on Thanksgiving Day to the shock of the masses--truly a high point.
Unfortunately they dug too deep a hole earlier in the season.
 

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Really cool post. Thanks. I was too young to remember '84 but between '05 and '13 I can definitely say I was not nearly as confident in that team as I am in this team. So much info in that post, it's gonna take a few days to really absorb it.
 

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I voted for the 2005 team. I've never 'felt' better about the team than I do now, but the 2005 team accomplished something that the 2013 team hasn't done yet. If this team makes it to the Super Bowl, and the final score is closer than a 10 pt split, I might vote differently. I they win, it's a slam dunk.

As good as this team is, it hasn't done anything yet. HFA is one small check in the block, but we still have 3 more hurdles to clear before they are a clear winner.
 
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Thanks guys. This piece was a ton of fun to both research for and write. I have a whole new appreciation for that 1984 team ... and as I mentioned before, am starting to become convinced that THEY had the best secondary (not the Legion of Boom) in the history of Seahawks football.

The question I asked on the poll perhaps I should have tweaked a bit. A better question to ask might have been, Which YEAR was the greatest in Seahawks History?" Ahhhhh ... now THAT might be a bit more debatable. All great teams nonetheless.
 

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I'm waiting until the season is finished before I vote in a poll like this. It's an apples vs. oranges comparison until this one is in the record book.
 

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olyfan63":vwbzerj8 said:
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I actually thought the '86 team that went 10-6 but missed the playoffs was a better overall team (at the end of the season) than the 1984 team, and could have gone deep into the playoffs.
Going into Dallas and stomping the Cowboys on Thanksgiving Day to the shock of the masses--truly a high point.
Unfortunately they dug too deep a hole earlier in the season.
Agree with the '86 team being better than '84 (and maybe '05) at the end of the season. They weren't just beating people, they were kicking their asses late in the season.



Awesome effort as usual Scanner. :thirishdrinkers:
 

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2005 -- greatest offense
1984, 2013 -- tied for greatest defense

honorable mention -- 1986. If we don't have two TD's called back in the same game at Denver in the middle of the season, maybe we don't go on that losing streak, or that streak is at least one game shorter, and we make the playoffs. And the way we were playing at the end of that season, nobody would have touched us and we'd have had our first Lombardi.

Greatest team overall? I gotta wait to the end of our season to say. If we take it all, it will be this team. If not, then it's a three-way tie.
 
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BlueTalon":1rck1513 said:
2005 -- greatest offense
1984, 2013 -- tied for greatest defense

honorable mention -- 1986. If we don't have two TD's called back in the same game at Denver in the middle of the season, maybe we don't go on that losing streak, or that streak is at least one game shorter, and we make the playoffs. And the way we were playing at the end of that season, nobody would have touched us and we'd have had our first Lombardi.

Greatest team overall? I gotta wait to the end of our season to say. If we take it all, it will be this team. If not, then it's a three-way tie.

I know I probably jumped the gun in writing this piece, as it's kinda more of an offseason question. I have to reluctantly agree that "Greatest team" is sort of a tough thing to answer at this point, as the 2013 Story has yet to be fully written. Because of that, I'd probably still lean towards 2005 being the best team -- but if this team actually makes and wins the Super Bowl, all of that goes out the window obviously.

On best overall defense, I'm still leaning towards 1984 ... but we'll see what happens with 2013's team here in the playoffs.

Have to agree with those who have mentioned 1986 being probably one of the most purely talented teams in Seahawks History for sure. That said, it's hard to argue that in the end that group underachieved (while 1984's unit clearly OVER-achieved). For that reason alone, I'd have to put 1986 no higher than Honorable Mention. Definitely agreed with that.
 

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Great post. But I voted 2013 because of Russell Wilson in combination with a defense that's possibly in the 1985 Bears neighborhood maybe. I had thought 1984's was far better, that definitely shocked me that they weren't better.
 

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I think our current Regime is tops, but as far as season's go, no season will top 2005 until we make the Super Bowl. I still believe 2013 season (2014 Super Bowl) is our year and will forever be THE team, but until it happens my vote stays with 2005
 

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I want the 2005 O line (including Mack Strong) and 1984's WRs added to our current team.

Imagine Lynch running behind the unstoppable left side from 2005, then getting a lead block by Strong, and then, well, being Lynch...

Add the meticulous perfection of Largent to the other end of Wilson's arm.....

Unbeatable.
 

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I think 2005 squad would have had the offensive power to score more than the 2013 seahawks.
 

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I will say this.. I've been a Hawk fan since day one.
Not sure if this is the best Seahawk team of all time, or not.
I've had the most FUN and been entertained the most, this year, hands down.
GoHawks.
 

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pmedic920":34fzrcay said:
I will say this.. I've been a Hawk fan since day one.
Not sure if this is the best Seahawk team of all time, or not.
I've had the most FUN and been entertained the most, this year, hands down.
GoHawks.

Thats another good angle.. which year was the most FUN? In that terms, I would have to say 2012. Not 2013. Let me explain..

Last year so many of our guys truly came into their own, and it was the "falling in love" period with Wilson. I was an early skeptic Im not ashamed to say.. so the season was a process of discovery of what we really had..and by late season when we had the 150 pts in 3 games.. it was just an amazing feeling. Then a 20 point comeback against the Redskins..followed what looked like the same against the Falcons.. for pure entertainment, last year for me was the best ever, followed by 1984, then this year, then 2005. Now that we are "going steady" with Wilson, expectations are high and on the whole the offense hasnt fully delivered this year.

Over all which team is the greatest? Jury is still out. I know how I HOPE I vote on Feb.2nd!
 

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Vetamur":2ugyoomd said:
pmedic920":2ugyoomd said:
I will say this.. I've been a Hawk fan since day one.
Not sure if this is the best Seahawk team of all time, or not.
I've had the most FUN and been entertained the most, this year, hands down.
GoHawks.

Thats another good angle.. which year was the most FUN? In that terms, I would have to say 2012. Not 2013. Let me explain..

Last year so many of our guys truly came into their own, and it was the "falling in love" period with Wilson. I was an early skeptic Im not ashamed to say.. so the season was a process of discovery of what we really had..and by late season when we had the 150 pts in 3 games.. it was just an amazing feeling. Then a 20 point comeback against the Redskins..followed what looked like the same against the Falcons.. for pure entertainment, last year for me was the best ever, followed by 1984, then this year, then 2005. Now that we are "going steady" with Wilson, expectations are high and on the whole the offense hasnt fully delivered this year.

Over all which team is the greatest? Jury is still out. I know how I HOPE I vote on Feb.2nd!
VERY well said Vetamur. :th2thumbs:
I would say the only season that may have been as fun was '83 what with the first ever playoff berth for our Hawks and the mostly unexpected win in Miami in the playoffs.
 

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Vetamur":1jkbamg9 said:
Over all which team is the greatest? Jury is still out. I know how I HOPE I vote on Feb.2nd!

Hehheh :) Bumping this for fun as we start to get ready for the "real" NFL season begins for the Seahawks

This was actually one of the threads that I found that influenced me to "de-lurk", but I then forgot about it as the postseason last season continued, and it seems others did too since there has been no bump/post since the SB win (haha)

Anyway, bump because it's really fun reading, and curious to see if people's opinions have changed.

My vote:

Hard to define "Greatest". I know that there are a lot of stats listed. For some reason I want to vote "greatest" as also tied to "most favorite" as well.

I originally had the mid 1980's Seahawks as my favorite with a slight edge when I first read this thread. That's the team I grew up with.

And for the mid-2000's I'll be honest I always had a bad feeling about that team, even when they got to the SB (call it worrisome me). So I actually did my best to stay emotionally detached to that team because of that . So that team didn't really get into the mix here even though they were great.

As an aside: To be fair, in general I was getting into a bit of emotional detachment because I blew my wad on the mid 1990's SuperSonics and that put me into a bit of depression that for my health I had to step away, pretty much from the late 1990's and throughout the next decade.

For this current team: I'm still worrisome me, but this latest team has proved their mettle. And after the SB win last season, they pretty much beat out the mid 1980's team as my favorite. And with how they finished the season this year, they are now a for sure favorite in anticipation of what's coming next. How can you not love the character and determination of each and every guy on this team?

Even though I'm a worrier, I'm very anxious and excited about this upcoming Saturday and looking forward to watching my favorite team!

So that is why my vote is this current team.

Anyhow, just a bump for fun. This is a fun discussion and some good reading and hopefully those that missed it the first time can enjoy it now!

(( This thread definitely merits many more views and posts than it got the first time around :D Great one Hawkscanner ! ))
 
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