Better than the 85 Bears!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Move over 85' Bears, the 2014 Hawks are the standard now.
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If we posted the shutoff it would be a no brainer. Those eight points will make it a debate. I'm happy for people to say, the Bears, Bucs, Seahawks, Ravens
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Did those teams face the statistically greatest offense of all time? No. The Hawks are the greatest.
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Hawkalypse":3mwoegyb said:
This.
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They played the shitty Patriots. We played the greatest offense in the history of the NFL!
To be in the conversation is a great compliment to the D but they have to be thought of as the frontrunner in IMO.How much better would these guys be if they could headhunt like they did in the past.
Wrapped up a historical season in the meaningful stats dept. with a domination of the best O in the history of the league.
Wrapped up a historical season in the meaningful stats dept. with a domination of the best O in the history of the league.
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The thing that is not talked about in the comparison of the '85 Bears or the 2000 Ravens (or even the 2002 Bucs for that matter) is those teams did NOT even make another Super Bowl. This team is built to make another run. Will it happen? Time will tell. But you have to win the first one before you can win the second one!
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falcongoggles":2gu0raar said:
Dont see why those points make a difference. We were up by 35 points and it was the end of the 3rd quarter haha. The D scored more points than the Bronco O and our special teams scored the same too.
If you set them all side by side and gave them the same rules, I think we'd be up there for the best. Imagine guys like Chancellor and Browner out there when it's legal to hit guys in the head. Kam would average 1 WR a game being put on the sidelines.
2002 Bucs were really good, but the 85 Bears and 2000 Ravens were the best units I'd ever seen until this year. That Ravens team made you scrap for every yard and first downs were like a FG; it was a victory.
People are going to spout average yards allowed and points allowed, but we'd definately be at or below the 2002 Bucs level of 12.2 if our starters played the entire game, the entire season. Take away 17 points from Jacksonville and that shaves 1 ppg right there.
2002 Bucs were really good, but the 85 Bears and 2000 Ravens were the best units I'd ever seen until this year. That Ravens team made you scrap for every yard and first downs were like a FG; it was a victory.
People are going to spout average yards allowed and points allowed, but we'd definately be at or below the 2002 Bucs level of 12.2 if our starters played the entire game, the entire season. Take away 17 points from Jacksonville and that shaves 1 ppg right there.
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justafan":980cb6au said:
How many concussions would the Hawks have inflicted on their foes this year? Dozens at least. This defense has adjusted to the new NFL and is at least a year ahead of the other teams in the NFL. They play right up to the line, but rarely cross over it.
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Hawkalypse":22r4mg5t said:
even moreso... the Seahawks defense equalled the 85 Bears in scoring defense for the season. 2013-2014 was the NFL's highest output for passing yards and offensive scoring.
I dont think there is a doubt. The debate needs to be if the 85 Bears could do what the 2014 Seahawks did, not the other way around.
Not to take anything away from what the Seahawks D did in the super bowl (it was very impressive), but there needs to be an asterisk applied to Denver being the best offense in NFL history because of the era they played in. You would have to account for inflation as they say.
It's easier to score these days, and the Broncos took advantage of a lot to get the stats they did. A downside to the era they play in, is that it makes their offense a lot more susceptible to getting punched in the mouth because their teams do not encounter it as often as in the old days. You listen to Cris Collinsworth talk about his playing days and every story was getting destroyed catching passes. Playing against a Seahawks team would have been very challenging but no more intimidating than playing those vicious Steelers teams of old.
The '85 Bears played a s*** Patriots, yes. But that Bears team played the 49ers extremely tough and kept Joe Montana from throwing a TD against them that season. Buddy Ryan's D in Chicago, Philly, and Houston (in their respective peak years of '85, '92 and '93 respectively) were some bad ass defenses.
The '90 Giants defense doesn't get a lot of spotlight but they held a very high scoring Bills offense to 19 points in the bowl. While the stats may not be sparkling, they were a bit of an underdog and defeated the Bills with excellent game planning and physical play on all receivers. The '86 Giants defense is interesting because it allowed the Broncos in the super bowl to do a lot more than the 49ers and Redskins did in the playoffs (a combined 3 points allowed).
When the Patriots beat the Rams in '01, Belichick dusted off his playbook from the '90 Giants super bowl to flummox the greatest show on turf.
The '00 Ravens D had no real challenge in the super bowl, but allowed only 165 points in the regular season that year....about 10 points a game is insane. And they won a few games in a row without any offensive TDs.
Hard to get into the Steel Curtain as I wasn't around in those days. Those defenses were legendary.
It's good company to be in with all of these teams. Hard to say which one is best, nor should it matter.
Interesting note -- Denver if they can recover from this, will probably gain a lot from playing the NFC West this year. Still don't think it will be enough for Manning to overcome against another NFC juggernaut in the super bowl, but at least his team won't be blown out again.
It's easier to score these days, and the Broncos took advantage of a lot to get the stats they did. A downside to the era they play in, is that it makes their offense a lot more susceptible to getting punched in the mouth because their teams do not encounter it as often as in the old days. You listen to Cris Collinsworth talk about his playing days and every story was getting destroyed catching passes. Playing against a Seahawks team would have been very challenging but no more intimidating than playing those vicious Steelers teams of old.
The '85 Bears played a s*** Patriots, yes. But that Bears team played the 49ers extremely tough and kept Joe Montana from throwing a TD against them that season. Buddy Ryan's D in Chicago, Philly, and Houston (in their respective peak years of '85, '92 and '93 respectively) were some bad ass defenses.
The '90 Giants defense doesn't get a lot of spotlight but they held a very high scoring Bills offense to 19 points in the bowl. While the stats may not be sparkling, they were a bit of an underdog and defeated the Bills with excellent game planning and physical play on all receivers. The '86 Giants defense is interesting because it allowed the Broncos in the super bowl to do a lot more than the 49ers and Redskins did in the playoffs (a combined 3 points allowed).
When the Patriots beat the Rams in '01, Belichick dusted off his playbook from the '90 Giants super bowl to flummox the greatest show on turf.
The '00 Ravens D had no real challenge in the super bowl, but allowed only 165 points in the regular season that year....about 10 points a game is insane. And they won a few games in a row without any offensive TDs.
Hard to get into the Steel Curtain as I wasn't around in those days. Those defenses were legendary.
It's good company to be in with all of these teams. Hard to say which one is best, nor should it matter.
Interesting note -- Denver if they can recover from this, will probably gain a lot from playing the NFC West this year. Still don't think it will be enough for Manning to overcome against another NFC juggernaut in the super bowl, but at least his team won't be blown out again.
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This defense is legendary, save your asterisk. This is an era where the rules overwhelmingly favor the offense and we crushed the media annointed greatest all time offense. Try to quantify, qualify or diminish all you want-the hawks defense evicerated the greatest offense in NFL history on the biggest stage. The Hawks have the greatest defense of all time-period.NINEster":24ka708f said:
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Yeah, I can agree with that.PatsFanNH":3dlp29gn said:
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Way too many variables to accurately compare the '85 bears to our hawks! The '85 bears were amazing, look up the stats and your jaws will drop. I would say though that this years Seahawks deserve to be in the conversation of the top 3 defenses of ALL TIME.
It is almost impossible to compare eras but this D did it in an era when the league redefined how football will be played.They handcuffed Dlineman,holding is allowed more than ever,WRs can run without fear of the headshots of the past,Qbs cant be touched above the shoulders or below the knees.Teams had to totally learn to tackle within the new rules.
This team adapted and flourished playing clean hard hitting D within todays rules.They had statistics that compare with the best in history.Its hard to remember a shot considered dirty by todays standards.No player epitomises that more than Chancellor.
Most of the year I kept wondering how good are these guys really.I knew they were good but they kept raising the bar.Now everyone should know just how good they are.
This team adapted and flourished playing clean hard hitting D within todays rules.They had statistics that compare with the best in history.Its hard to remember a shot considered dirty by todays standards.No player epitomises that more than Chancellor.
Most of the year I kept wondering how good are these guys really.I knew they were good but they kept raising the bar.Now everyone should know just how good they are.
