Bringing in Jared Allen would likely be a mistake

Anything over 5 Million a year would be far too much.
I checked out PFR out of curiosity..
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/sacks_single_season.htm

only 10 of the top 296 single sack season holders are 32, 18 are 31 and 24 are 30.

The average age of the top 10: 26.5
The average age of the list: 26.8

26-28 seems to be the magic number in the NFL. Cliff Avril is 27. Bennett is 28. Irvin is 26. Mebane and McDaniel may be considered a bit old at 29.

Personally I think everything is going to plan, Scruggs and Mayowa will be there in a couple years and we'll keep losing players we love but who just plain won't be as effective past that magic mark. Sure there will be outliers but odds are Jared Allen does not put up a 20 sack year wherever he goes.

He hasn't missed a game since 2007, still has plenty left in the tank.
But hopefully at 6-7 mil, not 10

Yes... but 5 of those top 296 ARE Jared Allen

Yeah, Jared Allen is a beast. Its only a mistake if netting him costs us re-signing an important young player, which is unlikely.

It isn't going to happen, so don't worry yourself over it.

With our Defense, Allen wouldn't play as many snaps, so he wouldnt' be a huge sack total guy. Think the same number as MB last year, 8. 8.5.

He's said if he doesn't get paid what he thinks he deserves he'll retire.... If thats true and not just posturing he may well retire. Cause he hasn't signed yet,,,, and he's taking visits, which tells me his market isn't what he thought it would be.

Or he could take a bit of a discount and come here and have a shot at a ring. which he's never won. I highly doubt that tho.

What did Shaun Phillips do last year? (10 sacks)

How about Robert Mathis? (19.5!!!! sacks)

Or even Jared Allen himself? (11.5 sacks)

It's only a mistake if we pay him over 5-6M a year, which is why he hasn't signed with us yet. JS is unwilling to give him the 8-10M a year he wants.

I totally expect Dallas to overspend for Allen.........cause that's what Jerry Jone's ego does.

If you want to see something ridiculous, look at Dallas' contracts. 10 mil. for Brandon Carr?....who is that? Kyle Orton 3.5, and then the absurd Romo contract.

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/dallas-cowboys/

gowazzu02":1qpqqlos said:

With our Defense, Allen wouldn't play as many snaps, so he wouldnt' be a huge sack total guy. Think the same number as MB last year, 8. 8.5.

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Absolutely. Our rotation was so important last year, as our D-line wasn't often gassed in the 4th quarter. Allen wouldn't have to be a sack monster with us as long as he is effective when he has his chances. Clemons, Avril, and Bennett were very effective as disruptors, even though their numbers weren't gaudy, (cf. the Super Bowl). Seattle disproved the old Stat CW in one game; we only had one credited sack (Clemons, 1 for 6 yards), but it might as well have been 15.

The stat factor might have hurt Bennett in FA, but it didn't hurt the team when it mattered.

Largent80":155vlh5m said:

If you want to see something ridiculous, look at Dallas' contracts. 10 mil. for Brandon Carr?....who is that? Kyle Orton 3.5, and then the absurd Romo contract.

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/dallas-cowboys/

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The fact that they're paying B. Weeden anything is shocking in and of itself.

Sgt. Largent":25m5cqtk said:

It's only a mistake if we pay him over 5-6M a year, which is why he hasn't signed with us yet. JS is unwilling to give him the 8-10M a year he wants.

I totally expect Dallas to overspend for Allen.........cause that's what Jerry Jone's ego does.

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Our Man in Chicago":1y95k1cf said:

Largent80":1y95k1cf said:

If you want to see something ridiculous, look at Dallas' contracts. 10 mil. for Brandon Carr?....who is that? Kyle Orton 3.5, and then the absurd Romo contract.

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/dallas-cowboys/

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The fact that they're paying B. Weeden anything is shocking in and of itself.

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Not only that but their DEAD cap money (players no longer playing for them that they still owe) is astronomical.

Our Man in Chicago":1zyjf49h said:

Largent80":1zyjf49h said:

If you want to see something ridiculous, look at Dallas' contracts. 10 mil. for Brandon Carr?....who is that? Kyle Orton 3.5, and then the absurd Romo contract.

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/dallas-cowboys/

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The fact that they're paying B. Weeden anything is shocking in and of itself.

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You're underestimating the importance of having a backup qb with the same qualities as your starter. If Romo goes down, you gotta have someone step in who is competent at throwing picks.

My maximum comfort level APY is 6.5. I think over Bennett for a situational 32 year old pass rushing specialist is too much. If he could rush inside, outside, and stop the run, i'd be okay with 7-8.5 MM.

KK84":qdj40xg2 said:

Our Man in Chicago":qdj40xg2 said:

Largent80":qdj40xg2 said:

If you want to see something ridiculous, look at Dallas' contracts. 10 mil. for Brandon Carr?....who is that? Kyle Orton 3.5, and then the absurd Romo contract.

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/dallas-cowboys/

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The fact that they're paying B. Weeden anything is shocking in and of itself.

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You're underestimating the importance of having a backup qb with the same qualities as your starter. If Romo goes down, you gotta have someone step in who is competent at throwing picks.

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1:1 is the perfect ratio, I suppose.

We will more than likely draft the position now, as well as WR. BTW...Dallas' dead cap money is 16 million !!!!!!!!!!!

That will happen to us if we overspend on FA.

Did Jared Allen (or his agent) not have any idea of the ballpark Seattle would be in to acquire him before they set up a visit? If it's so insulting to him, why even bother? You would think that there had to be enough there to warrant a visit. Perhaps he does care enough about being with a winning team. Sort of odd that his visit had been reported as somewhat secretive.

Truth is... the guy can still play. No reason to over-think a player with stats and all that. Just watch the tape. He's disruptive. Would be a nice addition, but - like many of you - I doubt it happens. I would be surprised if he doesn't sign with Dallas today (or soon) for a lot more than JS was willing to negotiate.

The Seahawks still have sufficient depth going into this next season already, even in parting with Bryant, Clemons, and McDonald. Other than for even more depth to account for possible injuries, the team isn't in dire need to add another D-lineman. Of course adding a top tier player (at the right price) is always something to entertain given the opportunity. Still, seems like this regime is about giving the young, inexperienced talent with potential the opportunities. There's some good ones that could flourish given the opportunity. Greg Scruggs probably tops the list.

TeamoftheCentury":2aav00ow said:

Did Jared Allen (or his agent) not have any idea of the ballpark Seattle would be in to acquire him before they set up a visit? If it's so insulting to him, why even bother? You would think that there had to be enough there to warrant a visit. Perhaps he does care enough about being with a winning team. Sort of odd that his visit had been reported as somewhat secretive.

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Of course Allen and his agent had an idea of what we're willing to pay before coming here. But that doesn't mean they're not going to go to other cities first to see if another team will pay more...........a LOT more.

My guess is Pete and John told Allen that they're willing to give him 5-6M, maybe even 7-8M the first year on a two year deal. Which means that might be good enough to get him if Dallas or another team doesn't give him more.

But like I said, Jerry Jone's ego knows no bounds, so I fully expect him to overpay for Allen.........especially after cutting Ware, they're desperate for DE's.

I don't really care about past history. Most pass rushers aren't like Jared Allen when they turned 32 years old. It would be like damning Russell Wilson because so few other short QBs found success in the NFL. Allen is not only consistently productive with or without a supporting cast, but he's also a special athlete that will age much better than several other pass rusher types out there. He's still got a few good years left.

Age bias is just that, bias. You want to find bargains, look at the guys who have some kind of blemish or drawback but can play. If Allen were three years younger, he wouldn't be a FA right now. He would have signed for $13 million per year the instant free agency opened. The fact that he can still play and we can get him for maybe $7 or $8 million instead is actually a very good thing.