Russel Wilson after a loss

ringless":5i3rwesj said:

I have to say, watching his post game interviews is something else.

He is composed, upbeat, and confident. You guys are so fortunate to have that type of leadership.....

Kap does not compare in anyway

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Russ Willstrong":2xespi9d said:

RW had an ESPN total QBR=29. WTF?
In comparison Josh McCown had a total QBR=91 and his stats were 16 of 21 passing for 179 yds, 0 td and 1 int in a loss.
Is RW the reason we lost?

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Diezel Dawg":2xdnrn0a said:

ESPNs QBR Stat is a joke. It is a made up Stat. Passer rating seems to be the better of the two stats.

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ringless":39mf695v said:

I have to say, watching his post game interviews is something else.

He is composed, upbeat, and confident. You guys are so fortunate to have that type of leadership.....

Kap does not compare in anyway

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hawksfansinceday1":1e7373h0 said:

ringless":1e7373h0 said:

I have to say, watching his post game interviews is something else.

He is composed, upbeat, and confident. You guys are so fortunate to have that type of leadership.....

Kap does not compare in anyway

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I posted a blurb in the NFL forum last night I'll reiterate here...........you guys may be seeing the beginning of the end of Kraep as your QB. He simply does not see the field and makes poor decisions on top of it. His running is all he's got and it doesn't appear that he's going to ever "get it". As much as I despise Little Jimmy Tantrum Boy, he should be given a LOT of credit for getting Kraep to the point he is because the guy just doesn't do the things a good NL QB does.

And yes, we are very lucky to have Russ. His decision making process is amazing, rarely makes a bad choice. His arm isn't as good as your guy's, but that's true of pretty much everyone in the league. If your coach leaves at the end of the season as I expect he will, I think Kraep won't be far behind.

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FreshlySnipes":172tesc0 said:

Russ Willstrong":172tesc0 said:

RW had an ESPN total QBR=29. WTF?
In comparison Josh McCown had a total QBR=91 and his stats were 16 of 21 passing for 179 yds, 0 td and 1 int in a loss.
Is RW the reason we lost?

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Typo maybe?

And we are hella lucky to have ruse

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Anthony!":1ql0w41n said:

FreshlySnipes":1ql0w41n said:

Russ Willstrong":1ql0w41n said:

RW had an ESPN total QBR=29. WTF?
In comparison Josh McCown had a total QBR=91 and his stats were 16 of 21 passing for 179 yds, 0 td and 1 int in a loss.
Is RW the reason we lost?

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Typo maybe?

And we are hella lucky to have ruse

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For one QBR takes into account sacks against the QB no matter why, they take into account drops against the QB no matter what, taking a sack hurts your QBR less than throwing it away, it is a very very faulty system that no one outside of ESPN takes any credence in. The QB rating is the only one that matters RW had a 119 QB rating of the last game and is #3 in the league an top 10 in Complt %. Also top 3 in TDs and #` in ints, and 32 in TD/Int what more do we need?

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Anthony!":183p4jpg said:

For one QBR takes into account sacks against the QB no matter why, they take into account drops against the QB no matter what, taking a sack hurts your QBR less than throwing it away, it is a very very faulty system that no one outside of ESPN takes any credence in. The QB rating is the only one that matters RW had a 119 QB rating of the last game and is #3 in the league an top 10 in Complt %. Also top 3 in TDs and #` in ints, and 32 in TD/Int what more do we need?

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Russ Willstrong":34n6yak6 said:

RW had an ESPN total QBR=29. WTF?
In comparison Josh McCown had a total QBR=91 and his stats were 16 of 21 passing for 179 yds, 0 td and 1 int in a loss.
Is RW the reason we lost?

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Popeyejones":215mc9or said:

Anthony!":215mc9or said:

For one QBR takes into account sacks against the QB no matter why, they take into account drops against the QB no matter what, taking a sack hurts your QBR less than throwing it away, it is a very very faulty system that no one outside of ESPN takes any credence in. The QB rating is the only one that matters RW had a 119 QB rating of the last game and is #3 in the league an top 10 in Complt %. Also top 3 in TDs and #` in ints, and 32 in TD/Int what more do we need?

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FWIW I take credence in it for a very simple reason: it's more predictive of winning or losing than the traditional passer rating, which is all it was intended to do.

While we could quibble about a lot of stuff, the major problem with QBR is that it's proprietary and as such can't be improved by others and can't be dug into too much.*

It's better than the traditional passer rating (and performs better in predicting winning) because it 1) incorporates rushing performance by the QB (total performance, not just passing), 2) incorporates fumbles lost, 3) doesn't treat all stats as equal and is weighted toward performance when games are close rather than when games are out of reach** 4) doesn't favor completion percentage over average length of completion.

I also find it funy that without the existence of QBR people would still be complaining about how stupid the old passer rating is, rather than the renaissance it has had among fans.

*For instance, I think incorporating sacks into a metric of QB performance is smart, it should just be sacks adjusted for time to throw, or sacks after (say) 3 seconds after the snap, which are much more on the QB than those under 3 seconds after the snap. We don't know if it does this because it's proprietary.

*Just as one example, when it's the 4th quarter and you're down by multiple scoes you're BETTER OFF throwing risky chunk passes which may be intercepted than throwing over and over again to check down receivers in the center of the field. If you dink your way to a loss against prevent coverage the traditional passer rating treats you as being great, rather than guaranteeing a loss in deference to your own passing stats. That's idiotic.

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Popeyejones":2ou1746b said:

FWIW I take credence in it for a very simple reason: it's more predictive of winning or losing than the traditional passer rating, which is all it was intended to do.

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Popeyejones":22badepk said:

Anthony!":22badepk said:

For one QBR takes into account sacks against the QB no matter why, they take into account drops against the QB no matter what, taking a sack hurts your QBR less than throwing it away, it is a very very faulty system that no one outside of ESPN takes any credence in. The QB rating is the only one that matters RW had a 119 QB rating of the last game and is #3 in the league an top 10 in Complt %. Also top 3 in TDs and #` in ints, and 32 in TD/Int what more do we need?

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FWIW I take credence in it for a very simple reason: it's more predictive of winning or losing than the traditional passer rating, which is all it was intended to do.

While we could quibble about a lot of stuff, the major problem with QBR is that it's proprietary and as such can't be improved by others and can't be dug into too much.*

It's better than the traditional passer rating (and performs better in predicting winning) because it 1) incorporates rushing performance by the QB (total performance, not just passing), 2) incorporates fumbles lost, 3) doesn't treat all stats as equal and is weighted toward performance when games are close rather than when games are out of reach** 4) doesn't favor completion percentage over average length of completion.

I also find it funy that without the existence of QBR people would still be complaining about how stupid the old passer rating is, rather than the renaissance it has had among fans.

*For instance, I think incorporating sacks into a metric of QB performance is smart, it should just be sacks adjusted for time to throw, or sacks after (say) 3 seconds after the snap, which are much more on the QB than those under 3 seconds after the snap. We don't know if it does this because it's proprietary.

*Just as one example, when it's the 4th quarter and you're down by multiple scoes you're BETTER OFF throwing risky chunk passes which may be intercepted than throwing over and over again to check down receivers in the center of the field. If you dink your way to a loss against prevent coverage the traditional passer rating treats you as being great, rather than guaranteeing a loss in deference to your own passing stats. That's idiotic.

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DavidSeven":3seung2a said:

Popeyejones":3seung2a said:

FWIW I take credence in it for a very simple reason: it's more predictive of winning or losing than the traditional passer rating, which is all it was intended to do.

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Wait, it is? Russell Wilson, #13 in 2013 QBR, had the best record in the NFL that season and won the Super Bowl. Josh McCown (#1 2013 QBR!) and Jay Cutler were both in the top 10; Bears finished 8-8 and missed the playoffs. Matt Ryan, #10 in QBR, went 4-12. Am I missing the correlation between high QBR and actual wins?

I can make-up any stat and say it has predictive value on wins and losses. However, the results actually need to bear that out to legitimize the claim.

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SeatownJay":gw44ty92 said:

hawksfansinceday1":gw44ty92 said:

ringless":gw44ty92 said:

I have to say, watching his post game interviews is something else.

He is composed, upbeat, and confident. You guys are so fortunate to have that type of leadership.....

Kap does not compare in anyway

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I posted a blurb in the NFL forum last night I'll reiterate here...........you guys may be seeing the beginning of the end of Kraep as your QB. He simply does not see the field and makes poor decisions on top of it. His running is all he's got and it doesn't appear that he's going to ever "get it". As much as I despise Little Jimmy Tantrum Boy, he should be given a LOT of credit for getting Kraep to the point he is because the guy just doesn't do the things a good NL QB does.

And yes, we are very lucky to have Russ. His decision making process is amazing, rarely makes a bad choice. His arm isn't as good as your guy's, but that's true of pretty much everyone in the league. If your coach leaves at the end of the season as I expect he will, I think Kraep won't be far behind.

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Psssst, ringless is a Cards fan, not a Niners fan.

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