PFF Ranks our OL 8th best???

Hmmmmm, doesn't seem like it when I watch RW scrambling and taking sacks. I thought we'd be ranked much lower.

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2 ... kings-2/4/

Well, they are #1 in Rushing Offense, so they obviously do something right.

Russell Wilson running for his life Monday night pretty much put us above the Cowboys in rushing so not sure if that truly applies.

SoulfishHawk":2glp7ezs said:

Well, they are #1 in Rushing Offense, so they obviously do something right.

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Not sure how much credit you can give the O-line for a lot of those rushing yards. RW ad-libbing is what gets the #1 rushing ranking.

Chawks1":1k69zpr2 said:

SoulfishHawk":1k69zpr2 said:

Well, they are #1 in Rushing Offense, so they obviously do something right.

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Not sure how much credit you can give the O-line for a lot of those rushing yards. RW ad-libbing is what gets the #1 rushing ranking.

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Yup, he is 28th in the league in rushing.

In the press conference following Carpenter and Moffit being drafted, Schneider spoke the term "road grader" more than once. At that moment, we got an inkling of what the team is philosophically looking for in an offensive line.

It makes sense that Carroll called Bud Grant to ask about Fran Tarkenton after scouting Wilson. He wanted a player that could compensate for an offensive front that could run block at the expense of pass block. It demonstrates the rarity of Walter Jones. Not a single player in the league at this moment, that can consistently deliver at that level. The staff knew it.

In pass protection, left tackles across the league are getting destroyed by elite athletes. It is why Clowney was drafted #1. Only the best rushing attack, a product of a deliberate effort to run the ball, can counter it.


Their "vision" was crystal clear and it is playing out as they anticipated.

8th best at sucking.

So, it's back to HOW they win, not IF they win. oh boy :lol:

SoulfishHawk":j8o3ixjh said:

So, it's back to HOW they win, not IF they win. oh boy :lol:

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Plenty of us have been looking at games that way for many years, and predicted good things before the 2012 season started because of HOW we won and HOW we lost in 2011 compared to 2010. The writing was on the wall for anyone with eyes and a brain despite back-to-back 7-9 records.

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I hear ya, just messin man.

Try this:
http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/ol

Pass Protection ranked 22nd. Run block ranked 6th. Which seems about right (with the teams we've just played)

I don't know about 8th best but...

1. All 5 starters have played in all 4 game thus far.

2. Even though the pass pro still sucks, it collectively has been a step up or two from last year.

I think the Redskins game looked much worse because we were on the road, in a primetime game, coming off bye week rust, and facing one of the best pass-rushing teams in the league.

3. I would assume Cowboys line has the best Run grade but Seahawks probably are 2nd. So, if we have a top ranked Run Grade which from the eye test has been one of the best strengths for this season so far. And relatively compared to some of the other Pass Protection in the NFL this year, Seahawks aren't probably the worst, likely in that 16-24 range.

I could see 8th.

We've also played some good defenses I believe all teams we've faced thus far are top 7 in yards per play allowed.

Wilson scrambling doesn't mean the O-line failed.

Next time, count the seconds from the snap to Wilson scrambling. Sometimes, he'll scramble without any pressure. Other times, he'll stand back there for five seconds (beyond which few O-lines can be expected to protect) and never find anyone. Yet other times, he's getting nailed by an overload or a delayed blitz.

And other times, yes, the O-line doesn't do its job. But there are multiple stories over the course of the game, and they don't all involve the pass protection sucking.

MontanaHawk05":3ei2bp11 said:

Wilson scrambling doesn't mean the O-line failed.

Next time, count the seconds from the snap to Wilson scrambling. Sometimes, he'll scramble without any pressure. Other times, he'll stand back there for five seconds (beyond which few O-lines can be expected to protect) and never find anyone. Yet other times, he's getting nailed by an overload or a delayed blitz.

And other times, yes, the O-line doesn't do its job. But there are multiple stories over the course of the game, and they don't all involve the pass protection sucking.

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I think Wilson's scrambling has to do with timing.
He's got to decide in a moment whether something will open up or keep the ball and try to extend the play.
If he scrambles, he has to scramble before the defensive players are upon him. I think that's key, In other words, he needs space to evade, and if spacing is not there, he has no chance to extend the play.

It became clear last night watching Luck stay in the pocket so long, and I mean split moments releasing the ball before he gets hit. Luck had no choice but to make a desperate pass or get sacked because most of the time, he had nowhere to go.

Is PFF saying our offensive line ranks 27th? That's the number in parenthesis, although I'm not sure what that is supposed to mean.

"8. Seattle Seahawks (27th)
PB: 12th, RB: 11th, PEN: 16th

Stud: There were collect gasps when Max Unger left the MNF victory over the Redskins with a foot injury, but his return prompted sighs of relief. He’s the glue holding this unit together, and with them all healthy he’s back to his best.

Dud: On a strong offensive line there’s always one guy a little behind the others. That man? J.R. Sweezy. He’s not in the liability category but still has breakdowns in pass protection you’d rather avoid.

Summary: Two things have really changed for the Seahawks this year. They’re a lot healthier and the addition of Justin Britt. Britt has fit in seamlessly and the consistency of selection has been a benefit to all."



Sunday's opponent is #6. Dallas Cowboys (4th)
PB: 9th, RB: 10th, PEN: 12th

Look at the grades PFF gave our offensive line against the Redskins: every starter had a positive grade in what was clearly a dismal effort. Wilson's ability to avoid tackles and throw on the run masks many of our offensive line's deficiencies, as does Lynch's vision and tackle-breaking abilities.

This is another clear illustration of the weakness of PFF grades in assigning blame and reward.

For folks saying Russell escapes the pocket too soon or whatever and makes the line look worse than it is, I have a thought experiment.

1) Put any QB besides Wilson behind our line, a QB who hangs in and can't escape
2) Put any back besides Lynch behind our line

Watch hijinks ensue.

Thankfully we should have Wilson for a long time so we'll never fully appreciate how much they suck at pass pro. As for Lynch...well we get glimpses of that with Turbin, heaven help us when it's time to see another back full-time.

Polk738":35t7m602 said:

Russell Wilson running for his life Monday night pretty much put us above the Cowboys in rushing so not sure if that truly applies.

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So how would you phrase that if you found out Seattle actually went into the game specifically with the gameplan to challenge the Hasslett Redskins defense up the middle with Wilson rushing the ball?

I've always hated PFF's OL grading. They have JR Sweezy as the lowest rated starter on our line. Granted, he did make a big mistake that led to a sack in the last game, but generally he's been fairly good in protection since the start of last year and he's a monster in the run game.

As far as our protection as a whole, Washington blitzed the crap out of Seattle and only got 2 sacks for it (the 3rd sack was intentional on Wilson's part to keep the clock running at the very end of the game).

When a QB gets sacked on a blitz, you can't really put that on the OL anyway. A QB has a lot of responsibility for beating the blitz.

According to the chart, only about 20% of Seattle's value from the last game came from our ballcarriers when running the ball, compared to 40% for run blocking. That seems to be a bit of a stretch in a game where a QB scrambled for 122 yards, which obviously has zilch to do with run blocking.

Anyway, their scoring system is kind of a mess, though it does occasionally have its moments.

MontanaHawk05":3sv5canx said:

Wilson scrambling doesn't mean the O-line failed.

Next time, count the seconds from the snap to Wilson scrambling.

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Terrible indicator.

Best way to evaluate pass pro: Watch the spot where the QB drops back to, then count how many seconds from the snap before that spot is occupied by any part of a player that isn't the QB, regardless of where the QB ended up going to, if anywhere. The O-linemen don't know if the QB is where he initially dropped back to, they're just trying to keep the part of the field where they expect the QB to typically be free of people. It's a great way to judge pass pro, IMO.