Are we ALREADY preparing for life without Lynch???...

...Or offensive play calling is just stupid this year?

OK, I know Lynch will be gone next year, but are we already "adjusting" our offense?? Where are Turbin and Michael??

God, this is frustrating

No way, I think Pistol Pete will smack some sense into Bevell.

Should have paid Lynch.

lvnginhwktwn":2cxu0yhd said:

Should have paid Lynch.

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They did, 2M more this year.

If anything the Lynch saga will be interesting for the rest of the year, that's for sure. We know damn well that Pete and John's long range plans did not include giving Lynch another big contract, but he's making it next to impossible for them to stick to that plan..........and C-Mike isn't making it any easier.

The only thing I can think is that Lynch sitting out during camp affected their installation and reps, or they are really trying to nurse his back injury, and keep him fresh.

I cringe almost every time I see Turbin run, and obviously Michael's not good enough to be active on game days.

But if they were really preparing for life without Lynch, his replacement would already be on the roster now. It isn't.

The gimmick stuff is good for mixing things up and keeping defenses guessing, but not as the core game plan every damn week.

hoxrox":14j3sa6c said:

The only thing I can think is that Lynch sitting out during camp affected their installation and reps, or they are really trying to nurse his back injury, and keep him fresh..

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I don't think it had anything to do with Lynch sitting out camp, or installing him in the offense.

Pete and Daryll obviously have a gameplan for how often they're going to use Lynch in order to keep him fresh for the whole year, and if the game isn't going as planned (long sustained drives by the offense and defense playing like the defense should play) then Lynch is not going to get his carries.

It's not rocket science, if our offense only has the ball for 20 minutes of the entire game because our defense can't get off the damn field..........combined with the offenses failure to convert on 3rd downs, then that all equals no beastmode.

Sgt. Largent":3v6yayp4 said:

It's not rocket science, if our offense only has the ball for 20 minutes of the entire game because our defense can't get off the damn field..........combined with the offenses failure to convert on 3rd downs, then that all equals no beastmode.

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Well they aren't converting on 3rd downs because they don't get into 3rd and manageable situations. They get into manageable situations by feeding the Beast.

hoxrox":23o6xowa said:

Sgt. Largent":23o6xowa said:

It's not rocket science, if our offense only has the ball for 20 minutes of the entire game because our defense can't get off the damn field..........combined with the offenses failure to convert on 3rd downs, then that all equals no beastmode.

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Well they aren't converting on 3rd downs because they don't get into 3rd and manageable situations. They get into manageable situations by feeding the Beast.

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Lynch and one long carry, other than that run he was only getting 1-3 yards a carry. They even put a graph up of his runs. One yard, no yards, 2 yards etc.

So when he gets stuffed on first down, you want to see another run? How bout 3rd and long, still run Lynch?

It's about converting those 3rd and 7's, that means a fresh set of downs to run the ball. Pete even said this at his presser today.

said we always want to run more, but when you don't convert on 3rd down you don't get the chances to run that you want to have. Also added that we didn't play well on third down on defense either.

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Sgt. Largent":2c5r32vw said:

hoxrox":2c5r32vw said:

Sgt. Largent":2c5r32vw said:

It's not rocket science, if our offense only has the ball for 20 minutes of the entire game because our defense can't get off the damn field..........combined with the offenses failure to convert on 3rd downs, then that all equals no beastmode.

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Well they aren't converting on 3rd downs because they don't get into 3rd and manageable situations. They get into manageable situations by feeding the Beast.

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Lynch and one long carry, other than that run he was only getting 1-3 yards a carry. They even put a graph up of his runs. One yard, no yards, 2 yards etc.

So when he gets stuffed on first down, you want to see another run? How bout 3rd and long, still run Lynch?

It's about converting those 3rd and 7's, that means a fresh set of downs to run the ball. Pete even said this at his presser today.

said we always want to run more, but when you don't convert on 3rd down you don't get the chances to run that you want to have. Also added that we didn't play well on third down on defense either.

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Yes, 1-3 yards is better than negative yards on bubble screens or whatever they tried to do with Harvin on first down. You have to stay patient with it. He will pop a few. And it will also open up play action or read option.

It's like they are intentionally trying to pass to set up the run instead of what worked so well in previous years.

Seahawks shouldn't try and outsmart themselves. Lynch is so unbelievably critical to the success of this team. Hawks are paying him this year, don't make long term decisions when you need the guy for your team to be successful now.

In regards to some players and how they affect the long-term cap and blah blah blah....we have a championship caliber team at the moment, preparing for life without Lynch is ridiculous when he's still playing at a high level.

Kind of reminds me of the team formerly known as the Sonics, and how they've royally screwed up their chances at a dynasty by trying to outsmart the league when they really just outsmarted themselves in regards to roster management. You only have a few chances to win in professional sports, and when you have those chances, you ride them as long as you possibly can.

hoxrox":8g1qwdtp said:

Sgt. Largent":8g1qwdtp said:

hoxrox":8g1qwdtp said:

Sgt. Largent":8g1qwdtp said:

It's not rocket science, if our offense only has the ball for 20 minutes of the entire game because our defense can't get off the damn field..........combined with the offenses failure to convert on 3rd downs, then that all equals no beastmode.

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Well they aren't converting on 3rd downs because they don't get into 3rd and manageable situations. They get into manageable situations by feeding the Beast.

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Lynch and one long carry, other than that run he was only getting 1-3 yards a carry. They even put a graph up of his runs. One yard, no yards, 2 yards etc.

So when he gets stuffed on first down, you want to see another run? How bout 3rd and long, still run Lynch?

It's about converting those 3rd and 7's, that means a fresh set of downs to run the ball. Pete even said this at his presser today.

said we always want to run more, but when you don't convert on 3rd down you don't get the chances to run that you want to have. Also added that we didn't play well on third down on defense either.

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Yes, 1-3 yards is better than negative yards on bubble screens or whatever they tried to do with Harvin on first down. You have to stay patient with it. He will pop a few. And it will also open up play action or read option.

It's like they are intentionally trying to pass to set up the run instead of what worked so well in previous years.

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No offense, but I'm going to trust Pete's explanation more than yours.

Sgt. Largent":1l33fnfo said:

Lynch and one long carry, other than that run he was only getting 1-3 yards a carry. They even put a graph up of his runs. One yard, no yards, 2 yards etc.

So when he gets stuffed on first down, you want to see another run? How bout 3rd and long, still run Lynch?

It's about converting those 3rd and 7's, that means a fresh set of downs to run the ball. Pete even said this at his presser today.

said we always want to run more, but when you don't convert on 3rd down you don't get the chances to run that you want to have. Also added that we didn't play well on third down on defense either.

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Yep. For the most part Lynch was bottled up, and the Hawks also ended up in 3rd and long because their other early down plays (all of Harvin's touches, Wilson's short passes) weren't putting them in 3rd and manageable.

As for getting ready to move on from Lynch, no. He's signed through next season. Sherm and ETs big money starts next year, but Wilson's won't start until after Lynch is gone.

Sgt. Largent":2jxvn84v said:

No offense, but I'm going to trust Pete's explanation more than yours.

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If Pete isn't happy with the touches Marshawn gets he's hardly going to throw Bevell under the bus. This was the same unsatisfying rationale used in the San Diego game only this game was even more blatant.

The 3rd and unmanageables were more often the result of the terrible bubble screens as hoxrox pointed out. Going with empty sets for 2/3 downs doesn't make any sense either, because now they don't even have to stack the box. How does that help the receivers get open?

There are games where it's obvious Lynch isn't an option, they did not establish that yesterday whatsoever and even if they did we've shown we can't pass without play action so you still must run Lynch more or at least have him on the field. Give me one good reason to run an empty set ever with this ZBS line, this QB, these receivers, this running back let alone let it appear more frequently than a handoff to Lynch. Seriously, we ran more empty sets than we handed off to Lynch. Offensive rythm didn't allow handoffs doesn't cover it.

hawk45":2vqxsy1j said:

The 3rd and unmanageables were more often the result of the terrible bubble screens as hoxrox pointed out. Going with empty sets for 2/3 downs doesn't make any sense either, because now they don't even have to stack the box. How does that help the receivers get open?t.

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We only ran empty sets bubbles on maybe one or two possessions on first down. Out of our 11 or 12 game possessions we did run Lynch on first down, but that was only 3 or 4 possessions because the other possessions were marred by stupid penalties, Wilson getting sacked or we were in a two minute offense.

Like Pete said, an effective run game requires converting 3rd downs and the defense giving the offense the ball more than 20 minutes a game.........I'd add stopping the stupid penalties pushing us back into 1st and 15 or 20 to that as well.

Everything's compounded when you don't have the ball. You can get away with a couple bad first down passes or false starts when you have the ball for half the game. When you only have it for 10 possessions? It absolutely kills you and kills any attempt at establishing a run game.

CMike IMO is in cables doghouse and can't get out.

For a big guy it's sad to see how three years later turbo still gets taken down easily with ankle tackles