Your #1 Seahawk that needs to step up with Percy gone

12thManNorth

New member
Joined
Mar 21, 2013
Messages
296
Reaction score
0
Location
Vancouver BC
We need pretty much the whole team to step up, but I'm going outside the box with this one. I think our offence will no doubt take a hit in the short-term, but late in the season once P-Rich and Norwood get some reps, Zach Miller ihat s healthy, and our banged-up O-Line hopefully gets healthy, we should be able to put up enough points.

The guy I see that most needs to step up is Cliff Avril. Our pass rush has taken a noticable step back this season and that has devastating effects on the Defence as a whole. We've seen over the years just what a strong pass rush can do, and we need to get back to that point for our Defence to become the best in the league again. It'll also lead to more turnovers, which we're gonna need to start getting again with our offence not looking overly explosive. Avril is the guy who needs to start getting it done, there's been too many games where I hear his name only once or twice all game
 

brimsalabim

Active member
Joined
Aug 12, 2012
Messages
4,509
Reaction score
3
Okung, Wilson, and Willson all need to step up but #1 has got to be Baldwin.
 

Sac

Active member
Joined
Apr 30, 2009
Messages
13,192
Reaction score
4
Location
With a White Girl
Man I'd love to see Paul Richardson come in and be what Percy Harvin was supposed to be.
 

hawk45

Active member
Joined
Sep 27, 2009
Messages
10,009
Reaction score
16
Bevell and the rookie receivers. Baldwin lacks the talent to take up much of the slack on a regular basis.
 

hawknation2014

New member
Joined
Feb 17, 2014
Messages
2,812
Reaction score
0
I agree with Bevell.

He needs to find more ways to get Lynch, Baldwin, Richardson, Michael, etc. involved in the game plan. That's a huge task for him given how much time he has probably spent through the first six weeks designing plays specifically for Harvin.
 

MizzouHawkGal

Well-known member
Joined
Aug 16, 2012
Messages
13,477
Reaction score
844
Location
Kansas City, MO
SacHawk2.0":3si4ig7p said:
Man I'd love to see Paul Richardson come in and be what Percy Harvin was supposed to be.
I concur. I want to see all the receivers especially Baldwin involved a lot more. Beyond the obvious of getting Lynch the ball more then 10 times a game and mixing in Micheal and Turbin to really commit to the run so Wilson has a chance to really punish people with 4-5 deep strikes to Richardson/Lockette in the game.
 

Hawknballs

Well-known member
Joined
Jan 2, 2013
Messages
4,430
Reaction score
837
Richardson was a second round draft pick. Now you don't expect a 2nd round WR to step in and be an every down starter but you do expect them to be more productive than he has been, and the Percy situation means that he needs to step up and start being productive exactly 21 hours and 47 minutes from right now.
 

MizzouHawkGal

Well-known member
Joined
Aug 16, 2012
Messages
13,477
Reaction score
844
Location
Kansas City, MO
Hawknballs":263fykil said:
Richardson was a second round draft pick. Now you don't expect a 2nd round WR to step in and be an every down starter but you do expect them to be more productive than he has been, and the Percy situation means that he needs to step up and start being productive exactly 21 hours and 47 minutes from right now.
Productive is a subjective term. To me productive for Richardson and Lockette would be to combine in some fashion between the two for 4-5 catches and 125-150 yards and maybe 1 TD. It would be enough to force the defense to respect the outside and let Baldwin/Kearse/Norwood do their thing in traffic. And let Lynch/Turbin/Micheal have a little room to run.
 

Bobblehead

Well-known member
Joined
Dec 10, 2012
Messages
4,213
Reaction score
812
MizzouHawkGal":lcs5hcw5 said:
SacHawk2.0":lcs5hcw5 said:
Man I'd love to see Paul Richardson come in and be what Percy Harvin was supposed to be.
I concur. I want to see all the receivers especially Baldwin involved a lot more. Beyond the obvious of getting Lynch the ball more then 10 times a game and mixing in Micheal and Turbin to really commit to the run so Wilson has a chance to really punish people with 4-5 deep strikes to Richardson/Lockette in the game.

I think that will happen, To be fair, Bevel, I'm sure was under he gun somewhat to get Percy in the game and make our big investment a major part of the Seahawk offense, which meant taking away a lot of touches from other players.

Now, gone, Bevel is just about under no pressure since, his main source is gone and he's left with a bunch of UDFA's as someone stated here.

Only safe thing to do is give it to your only reliable commodity at this point, right?
 

Tical21

Well-known member
Joined
Mar 16, 2012
Messages
5,541
Reaction score
82
Kearse, but this was the case before Percy left as well.
 

chet380

Member
Joined
Nov 29, 2013
Messages
872
Reaction score
0
Bobblehead":kgkvkglh said:
MizzouHawkGal":kgkvkglh said:
SacHawk2.0":kgkvkglh said:
Man I'd love to see Paul Richardson come in and be what Percy Harvin was supposed to be.
I concur. I want to see all the receivers especially Baldwin involved a lot more. Beyond the obvious of getting Lynch the ball more then 10 times a game and mixing in Micheal and Turbin to really commit to the run so Wilson has a chance to really punish people with 4-5 deep strikes to Richardson/Lockette in the game.

I think that will happen, To be fair, Bevel, I'm sure was under he gun somewhat to get Percy in the game and make our big investment a major part of the Seahawk offense, which meant taking away a lot of touches from other players.

Now, gone, Bevel is just about under no pressure since, his main source is gone and he's left with a bunch of UDFA's as someone stated here.

Only safe thing to do is give it to your only reliable commodity at this point, right?

8 in the box and the DE's containing the scrambling -- only single coverage needed for our second-raters.

Gonna be a tough day in StL and a long season.
 

hawknation2014

New member
Joined
Feb 17, 2014
Messages
2,812
Reaction score
0
Bobblehead":31cnkssc said:
MizzouHawkGal":31cnkssc said:
SacHawk2.0":31cnkssc said:
Man I'd love to see Paul Richardson come in and be what Percy Harvin was supposed to be.
I concur. I want to see all the receivers especially Baldwin involved a lot more. Beyond the obvious of getting Lynch the ball more then 10 times a game and mixing in Micheal and Turbin to really commit to the run so Wilson has a chance to really punish people with 4-5 deep strikes to Richardson/Lockette in the game.

I think that will happen, To be fair, Bevel, I'm sure was under he gun somewhat to get Percy in the game and make our big investment a major part of the Seahawk offense, which meant taking away a lot of touches from other players.

Now, gone, Bevel is just about under no pressure since, his main source is gone and he's left with a bunch of UDFA's as someone stated here.

Only safe thing to do is give it to your only reliable commodity at this point, right?

He should have gone that route from the beginning. We could have probably avoided a couple losses if Lynch had gotten the ball more and kept the chains moving by giving us manageable third downs.

My question is what did Bevell tell Carroll and Schneider about his experience with Harvin in Minnesota when they decided to make that crazy trade? Did he tell them he would be coachable?

I can't say the pressure is totally off Bevell if only because all coaches, and particularly assistant coaches, lack real job security. They have to continue to perform at a high level.
 

seedhawk

New member
Joined
May 8, 2009
Messages
2,912
Reaction score
0
There is no #1 needed player to "step up". If anything, the Harvin trade just put every last guy on the roster on notice. Buy in, all the way. Earn you're snaps and money.
 

scutterhawk

Well-known member
Joined
Apr 11, 2010
Messages
9,806
Reaction score
1,759
12thManNorth":2nsormo2 said:
We need pretty much the whole team to step up, but I'm going outside the box with this one. I think our offence will no doubt take a hit in the short-term, but late in the season once P-Rich and Norwood get some reps, Zach Miller ihat s healthy, and our banged-up O-Line hopefully gets healthy, we should be able to put up enough points.

The guy I see that most needs to step up is Cliff Avril. Our pass rush has taken a noticable step back this season and that has devastating effects on the Defence as a whole. We've seen over the years just what a strong pass rush can do, and we need to get back to that point for our Defence to become the best in the league again. It'll also lead to more turnovers, which we're gonna need to start getting again with our offence not looking overly explosive. Avril is the guy who needs to start getting it done, there's been too many games where I hear his name only once or twice all game
LOL You mean offen-S-e, and defen-S-e?

it's the Secondary that's washed a little..no.. a LOT thin.
What with Chancellors hip not @ 100%, Maxwell OUT, and the backups unable to back-up.
It would be nice to see the O-Line start answering the call, and give SOME semblance of protection to their signal caller.
I don't know why some people are upset about Harvin being liberated from the lineup, as even though he was perceived as a viable threat he wasn't even a good tackle dummy in his last game as a Seahawk.
I don't think he even bothered to learn the routes as he pretty much fancied himself a specialist at trick plays, end arounds and the like, well, you know?, Defenses have started to neutralize him an take away his specialty plays, in other words, the jigs up, and if you ain't got something different in that bag-o-tricks, you need to LEARN THE FRIGGEN ROUTES, be willing to sacrifice a little ego, and become a TEAM mate.
Defense needs to start Defensing and the Offense needs to start Offending.
 

hawk45

Active member
Joined
Sep 27, 2009
Messages
10,009
Reaction score
16
I understand Percy didn't have Russ-like devotion and was a dbag about it (sounds like) but we don't know that Percy didn't know a slant route or two. We don't know that he fancied himself a gadget player and only wanted to be thrown to behind the LOS.

I'm agreeing that the way Percy responded to actual coaching or leadership was just god-awful, and for that it's better he's gone, I just don't think we can conclude yet that the way we used him ineffectively was all on his shoulders for not knowing plays. He ran Bevell's offense in Minnesota who also had a beast running back, they passed to him downfield more than not at all.
 

hawknation2014

New member
Joined
Feb 17, 2014
Messages
2,812
Reaction score
0
hawk45":pp044x2y said:
I understand Percy didn't have Russ-like devotion and was a dbag about it (sounds like) but we don't know that Percy didn't know a slant route or two. We don't know that he fancied himself a gadget player and only wanted to be thrown to behind the LOS.

I'm agreeing that the way Percy responded to actual coaching or leadership was just god-awful, and for that it's better he's gone, I just don't think we can conclude yet that the way we used him ineffectively was all on his shoulders for not knowing plays. He ran Bevell's offense in Minnesota who also had a beast running back, they passed to him downfield more than not at all.

That's a good point.

"Harvin passes at or behind the line of scrimmage: 12 receptions, 30 yards [2.5 yards per reception], and a long of eight yards."

http://www.fieldgulls.com/2014/10/18/69 ... wilson-nfl

Imagine what Lynch could have done with those runs . . . imagine what Wilson could have done if he had more options downfield.

This comes down to Bevell trusting this offensive line or at least trusting Russell Wilson enough to elude the pressure and make things happen downfield. Use Lynch and Michael to set up the play action pass, and set up the run by using Wilson's deep throws to Baldwin, Richardson, Lockette, Kearse, and Norwood to get over the top of the defense. Get back to playing to Wilson's strengths, get back to playing Seahawk football.
 
Top