Reuben Foster Arrested On Domestic Violence Charges

Marvin49":y0v3mp9k said:

To be honest, after reading everything I've read, I find it really hard to see it as a lawyer finding inconsistencies to provide reasonable doubt.

The accuser admitted to SEVERAL felonies on the stand, none of the witnesses saw any injuries consistent with her first description of the event, the DA never argued the video showing her in a fight with another woman was fake or falsified, AND the person whom she flagged down said she was perfectly calm, not upset, and didn't even realize she was calling 911.

Its true that we can never be 100% sure, but at this point, IMO, you really have to want it to be true to believe he beat her.

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If you remove her testimony (which I have to do, because if you can't believe her original story, you can't believe her recant either.) As an unreliable witness, I just have to remove her testimony completely. Without her recant or her original claim, you have a woman who was visibly injured and a man who may or may not have injured her.

With that said, the video becomes a key piece of evidence in the abuse case. Assuming that what was shown in court proves that she sustained injuries in a fight earlier, then you just can't charge him for the original abuse claim (IMO of course).

Now, that leaves the charges stemming from interfering in a 911 call, and the gun charges. Even on their own, they are an issue that needs to be dealt with in some fashion. I don't believe those charges on their own should be enough to get him expelled from his team, but I wouldn't be surprised to see some sort of deal involving probation being how this portion plays out.

Whether he gets any suspension or not really depends alot on what Goodell considers the 911 interference to be. If he considers that DV under the NFL policy, then he may get suspended. If he ends up just getting the misdemeanor gun charge, then I can see him actually ready to practice come training camp.

Clearly Foster should get the benefit of the doubt.

Hopefully he learns that sometimes the hot crazy chick is single for a reason. I learned that one myself years ago.

Glad to hear Sherman supported him though. Sherm has a pretty good eye for seeing through the BS.

He is innocent. She is guilty.

So hopefully the NFL has a chat with him about the stupidity of letting people access your guns and then lets him play.

Just look at the things that come out about Reuben Foster and his girlfriend. She is crazy beyond compare.

He CHOSE THAT GF! That's the level of his decision making and brain power. At this pace he will be in trouble next week, next month or in 3 months. But it's not going to hold up too long for Foster. That's what he is attracted to. It shows his decision making ability and powers of discernment.

kidhawk":1b6qvqpn said:

Marvin49":1b6qvqpn said:

To be honest, after reading everything I've read, I find it really hard to see it as a lawyer finding inconsistencies to provide reasonable doubt.

The accuser admitted to SEVERAL felonies on the stand, none of the witnesses saw any injuries consistent with her first description of the event, the DA never argued the video showing her in a fight with another woman was fake or falsified, AND the person whom she flagged down said she was perfectly calm, not upset, and didn't even realize she was calling 911.

Its true that we can never be 100% sure, but at this point, IMO, you really have to want it to be true to believe he beat her.

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If you remove her testimony (which I have to do, because if you can't believe her original story, you can't believe her recant either.) As an unreliable witness, I just have to remove her testimony completely. Without her recant or her original claim, you have a woman who was visibly injured and a man who may or may not have injured her.

With that said, the video becomes a key piece of evidence in the abuse case. Assuming that what was shown in court proves that she sustained injuries in a fight earlier, then you just can't charge him for the original abuse claim (IMO of course).

Now, that leaves the charges stemming from interfering in a 911 call, and the gun charges. Even on their own, they are an issue that needs to be dealt with in some fashion. I don't believe those charges on their own should be enough to get him expelled from his team, but I wouldn't be surprised to see some sort of deal involving probation being how this portion plays out.

Whether he gets any suspension or not really depends alot on what Goodell considers the 911 interference to be. If he considers that DV under the NFL policy, then he may get suspended. If he ends up just getting the misdemeanor gun charge, then I can see him actually ready to practice come training camp.

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If you remove both accusations (and I think its debatable that you do...but for this conversation lets assume you can't trust either), then what you have a a woman with scratches and busted eardrum and a video of her fighting another woman.

There is no reason to assume guilt on his part.

Moreover you have the fact that she stole $8000, his Rolex and his Designer clothes.

As for a suspension, I really don't know. I know some of the history of DV suspensions, but has the NFL ever suspended someone for owning a gun that is illegal in some states that the NFL plays in but legal in other states that the NFL plays in? Does the NFL suspend based on local law? I don't think it works that way.

The Phone? As I've said before...I don't have any idea.

Pot? Dunno. Never tested positive. Again, will NFL suspend for simply having possession of a substance illegal in some states and legal in others?

To be honest though, I haven't progressed yet to the "does he get suspended" phase of this really as the charges against him are still pending.

SanDiego49er":ewt70h5y said:

Just look at the things that come out about Reuben Foster and his girlfriend. She is crazy beyond compare.

He CHOSE THAT GF! That's the level of his decision making and brain power. At this pace he will be in trouble next week, next month or in 3 months. But it's not going to hold up too long for Foster. That's what he is attracted to. It shows his decision making ability and powers of discernment.

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He chose what was available to him. Remember what this dude is coming from. She's been his girlfriend for several years and is actually sitting next to him in the videos on draft day. The best thing that ever happened to him was him NOT getting drafted close to home.

One can only hope he makes better decisions from here on out, but the only "trouble" he's gotten himself into so far has been Marijuana and get into verbal dispute with a doctor after an 8 hour wait at the hospital.

Marvin49":308w85n9 said:

SanDiego49er":308w85n9 said:

Just look at the things that come out about Reuben Foster and his girlfriend. She is crazy beyond compare.

He CHOSE THAT GF! That's the level of his decision making and brain power. At this pace he will be in trouble next week, next month or in 3 months. But it's not going to hold up too long for Foster. That's what he is attracted to. It shows his decision making ability and powers of discernment.

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He chose what was available to him. Remember what this dude is coming from. She's been his girlfriend for several years and is actually sitting next to him in the videos on draft day. The best thing that ever happened to him was him NOT getting drafted close to home.

One can only hope he makes better decisions from here on out, but the only "trouble" he's gotten himself into so far has been Marijuana and get into verbal dispute with a doctor after an 8 hour wait at the hospital.

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This guy doesn't strike me as the sharpest knife in the drawer. His decision making is at the maturity level of a 2 year old. And yes you can tell a crazy lady IMO. I avoid them like the plague. Date a woman with her HEAD ON STRAIGHT. It's not rocket science. It's basic common sense.

SanDiego49er":24jupm98 said:

Marvin49":24jupm98 said:

SanDiego49er":24jupm98 said:

Just look at the things that come out about Reuben Foster and his girlfriend. She is crazy beyond compare.

He CHOSE THAT GF! That's the level of his decision making and brain power. At this pace he will be in trouble next week, next month or in 3 months. But it's not going to hold up too long for Foster. That's what he is attracted to. It shows his decision making ability and powers of discernment.

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He chose what was available to him. Remember what this dude is coming from. She's been his girlfriend for several years and is actually sitting next to him in the videos on draft day. The best thing that ever happened to him was him NOT getting drafted close to home.

One can only hope he makes better decisions from here on out, but the only "trouble" he's gotten himself into so far has been Marijuana and get into verbal dispute with a doctor after an 8 hour wait at the hospital.

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This guy doesn't strike me as the sharpest knife in the drawer. His decision making is at the maturity level of a 2 year old. And yes you can tell a crazy lady IMO. I avoid them like the plague. Date a woman with her HEAD ON STRAIGHT. It's not rocket science. It's basic common sense.

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I'm not saying he's a rocket scientist, but it just seems silly to basically write a guy off as stupid and unable to ever stay out of trouble because his GF of the last several years might be a nutjob.

Call me crazy.

Obviously he needs to make better decisions, but assuming he's innocent he hasn't done anything that would preclude him from growing up a bit in a new area and with a good support system.

Moreover, he's got 2 kids to take care of and he just nearly lost his dream over this.

I had it happen to me.

It is pretty easy to mistake crazy for 'carefree and fun' when the girl is smolderingly hot and dirtier than most porn stars.

Many of these girls have a system they have honed over years.

The one I was with, I later found out, had falsely accused several guys of rape and had several false accusations of DV under her belt. I know this because a lawyer for another guy later sought me out as proof this was her MO.

But they are very good at hiding aspects of themselves, blaming others for their earlier problems and painting themselves as a victim. It is in fact, this victim character, they play so well that encourages others to 'rescue' them and makes it hard for guys that were accused of it to fight and prove they are innocent.

I got lucky. I lost a job and she ended up robbing the house to sell everything off while I was dealing with the legal stuff. But I cut bait quickly, and never bothered looking back. So all I lost were a few things.

The other guys lost houses, cars, freedom, etc.

The idea that an accusation is evidence is offset by those that make a living manipulating the system to profit from their victimhood. But they are polished, smart and very good at what they do...or they would not be able to essentially do this as a profession.

It probably isn't fair at all to blame him when a lot of very smart, very capable people have fallen into those webs. In may case, the girl's past victims included a doctor, a lawyer and a software entrepreneur. I am sure there is likely a similar list of victims in his ex-gf's past as well.

TwistedHusky":19nod75s said:

I had it happen to me.

It is pretty easy to mistake crazy for 'carefree and fun' when the girl is smolderingly hot and dirtier than most porn stars.

Many of these girls have a system they have honed over years.

The one I was with, I later found out, had falsely accused several guys of rape and had several false accusations of DV under her belt. I know this because a lawyer for another guy later sought me out as proof this was her MO.

But they are very good at hiding aspects of themselves, blaming others for their earlier problems and painting themselves as a victim. It is in fact, this victim character, they play so well that encourages others to 'rescue' them and makes it hard for guys that were accused of it to fight and prove they are innocent.

I got lucky. I lost a job and she ended up robbing the house to sell everything off while I was dealing with the legal stuff. But I cut bait quickly, and never bothered looking back. So all I lost were a few things.

The other guys lost houses, cars, freedom, etc.

The idea that an accusation is evidence is offset by those that make a living manipulating the system to profit from their victimhood. But they are polished, smart and very good at what they do...or they would not be able to essentially do this as a profession.

It probably isn't fair at all to blame him when a lot of very smart, very capable people have fallen into those webs. In may case, the girl's past victims included a doctor, a lawyer and a software entrepreneur. I am sure there is likely a similar list of victims in his ex-gf's past as well.

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When you are in it maybe you can't see it as well. But with some time and perspective and distance from that situation you can probably see it more completely.

What are the warning signs? What would you look for? What can you see now that you couldn't see then? Because perhaps it's good for people to know the warning signs.

First they appear to need help and are vulnerable, prey on the man thing to help the weak and hurt female, then submissive and wanting to help you, then they become temperamental, then you start seeing the anger, then they start working the edges and your friends and acquaintances with complaints about you, painting a picture, again starting the victim card. Then comes the possessive jealous aspect. This will justify what she does latter. That's when I am pregnant happens even when she said she was on birth control, or the if you loved me you would have proposed is there someone else. Anger becomes normal at the drop of a hat and depending on her style violence throwing things, damaging your property it goes on.

Its Gold Digging and securing finances from someone, rinse and repeat and she can make a tidy some and get State Benefits and never have to work for herself.

That's a good start.

chris98251":100bbpj3 said:

First they appear to need help and are vulnerable, prey on the man thing to help the weak and hurt female, then submissive and wanting to help you, then they become temperamental, then you start seeing the anger, then they start working the edges and your friends and acquaintances with complaints about you, painting a picture, again starting the victim card. Then comes the possessive jealous aspect. This will justify what she does latter. That's when I am pregnant happens even when she said she was on birth control, or the if you loved me you would have proposed is there someone else. Anger becomes normal at the drop of a hat and depending on her style violence throwing things, damaging your property it goes on.

Its Gold Digging and securing finances from someone, rinse and repeat and she can make a tidy some and get State Benefits and never have to work for herself.

That's a good start.

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That's interesting. So they are looking for somebody to "rescue" them and have lots of "bad boyfriends" who supposedly did hurtful things to them in the past? Those I think would be big warning signs. Along with anger, manipulation and unstable personality. I think one of the biggest is she had lots of EX BF's she has restraining orders on or some criminal or civil case. Man if you don't see that coming I don't know what to say. You are NEXT (the new guy). It just amazes me that guy after guy can't see this coming. I don't know how they can be so blind. I guess they feel like they are having fun with the sex or whatever. They overlook it or are blind to it. But from the outside looking in you can see it a mile away. There is more perspective from afar. Right in the mix sometimes you are blinded by other things. I've seen so many guys like that it's unbelievable.

SanDiego49er":3k89ce18 said:

chris98251":3k89ce18 said:

First they appear to need help and are vulnerable, prey on the man thing to help the weak and hurt female, then submissive and wanting to help you, then they become temperamental, then you start seeing the anger, then they start working the edges and your friends and acquaintances with complaints about you, painting a picture, again starting the victim card. Then comes the possessive jealous aspect. This will justify what she does latter. That's when I am pregnant happens even when she said she was on birth control, or the if you loved me you would have proposed is there someone else. Anger becomes normal at the drop of a hat and depending on her style violence throwing things, damaging your property it goes on.

Its Gold Digging and securing finances from someone, rinse and repeat and she can make a tidy some and get State Benefits and never have to work for herself.

That's a good start.

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That's interesting. So they are looking for somebody to "rescue" them and have lots of "bad boyfriends" who supposedly did hurtful things to them in the past? Those I think would be big warning signs. Along with anger, manipulation and unstable personality. I think one of the biggest is she had lots of EX BF's she has restraining orders on or some criminal or civil case. Man if you don't see that coming I don't know what to say. You are NEXT (the new guy). It just amazes me that guy after guy can't see this coming. I don't know how they can be so blind. I guess they feel like they are having fun with the sex or whatever. They overlook it or are blind to it. But from the outside looking in you can see it a mile away. There is more perspective from afar. Right in the mix sometimes you are blinded by other things. I've seen so many guys like that it's unbelievable.

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They don't tell you they are screwing the whole neighborhood, they don't tell you more then they have been abandoned or something along that line, especially if they have a child. They know how to work it.

chris98251":12h7qnba said:

SanDiego49er":12h7qnba said:

chris98251":12h7qnba said:

First they appear to need help and are vulnerable, prey on the man thing to help the weak and hurt female, then submissive and wanting to help you, then they become temperamental, then you start seeing the anger, then they start working the edges and your friends and acquaintances with complaints about you, painting a picture, again starting the victim card. Then comes the possessive jealous aspect. This will justify what she does latter. That's when I am pregnant happens even when she said she was on birth control, or the if you loved me you would have proposed is there someone else. Anger becomes normal at the drop of a hat and depending on her style violence throwing things, damaging your property it goes on.

Its Gold Digging and securing finances from someone, rinse and repeat and she can make a tidy some and get State Benefits and never have to work for herself.

That's a good start.

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That's interesting. So they are looking for somebody to "rescue" them and have lots of "bad boyfriends" who supposedly did hurtful things to them in the past? Those I think would be big warning signs. Along with anger, manipulation and unstable personality. I think one of the biggest is she had lots of EX BF's she has restraining orders on or some criminal or civil case. Man if you don't see that coming I don't know what to say. You are NEXT (the new guy). It just amazes me that guy after guy can't see this coming. I don't know how they can be so blind. I guess they feel like they are having fun with the sex or whatever. They overlook it or are blind to it. But from the outside looking in you can see it a mile away. There is more perspective from afar. Right in the mix sometimes you are blinded by other things. I've seen so many guys like that it's unbelievable.

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They don't tell you they are screwing the whole neighborhood, they don't tell you more then they have been abandoned or something along that line, especially if they have a child. They know how to work it.

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Abandonment from a previous relationship and some gripe about some previous guy and a child that they need taken care of by a different guy certainly can indicate some dysfunction in that person and previous relationships. I don't want to judge everybody. Obviously it's a case by case basis. But it's not something to entirely overlook upon entering a new relationship.

I mean just don't look at that with ROSE COLORED GLASSES. Look honestly at it.

Marvin49":2nzbizzt said:

kidhawk":2nzbizzt said:

Marvin49":2nzbizzt said:

To be honest, after reading everything I've read, I find it really hard to see it as a lawyer finding inconsistencies to provide reasonable doubt.

The accuser admitted to SEVERAL felonies on the stand, none of the witnesses saw any injuries consistent with her first description of the event, the DA never argued the video showing her in a fight with another woman was fake or falsified, AND the person whom she flagged down said she was perfectly calm, not upset, and didn't even realize she was calling 911.

Its true that we can never be 100% sure, but at this point, IMO, you really have to want it to be true to believe he beat her.

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If you remove her testimony (which I have to do, because if you can't believe her original story, you can't believe her recant either.) As an unreliable witness, I just have to remove her testimony completely. Without her recant or her original claim, you have a woman who was visibly injured and a man who may or may not have injured her.

With that said, the video becomes a key piece of evidence in the abuse case. Assuming that what was shown in court proves that she sustained injuries in a fight earlier, then you just can't charge him for the original abuse claim (IMO of course).

Now, that leaves the charges stemming from interfering in a 911 call, and the gun charges. Even on their own, they are an issue that needs to be dealt with in some fashion. I don't believe those charges on their own should be enough to get him expelled from his team, but I wouldn't be surprised to see some sort of deal involving probation being how this portion plays out.

Whether he gets any suspension or not really depends alot on what Goodell considers the 911 interference to be. If he considers that DV under the NFL policy, then he may get suspended. If he ends up just getting the misdemeanor gun charge, then I can see him actually ready to practice come training camp.

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If you remove both accusations (and I think its debatable that you do...but for this conversation lets assume you can't trust either), then what you have a a woman with scratches and busted eardrum and a video of her fighting another woman.

There is no reason to assume guilt on his part.

Moreover you have the fact that she stole $8000, his Rolex and his Designer clothes.

As for a suspension, I really don't know. I know some of the history of DV suspensions, but has the NFL ever suspended someone for owning a gun that is illegal in some states that the NFL plays in but legal in other states that the NFL plays in? Does the NFL suspend based on local law? I don't think it works that way.

The Phone? As I've said before...I don't have any idea.

Pot? Dunno. Never tested positive. Again, will NFL suspend for simply having possession of a substance illegal in some states and legal in others?

To be honest though, I haven't progressed yet to the "does he get suspended" phase of this really as the charges against him are still pending.

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For the Green Highlighted portion of your text...what makes you say this? Do you believe I'm showing some bias towards Foster, or is that a generic "you" as in "nobody can remove both of her statements from the equation". Either way, I think that bit of the statement is incorrect.

Not Marvin, but by my read he’s using the generic “you” — probably cuing off of your use of the generic “you” in the first paragraph of your post he’s responding to. :2thumbs:

kidhawk":1p0l6p9a said:

Marvin49":1p0l6p9a said:

kidhawk":1p0l6p9a said:

Marvin49":1p0l6p9a said:

To be honest, after reading everything I've read, I find it really hard to see it as a lawyer finding inconsistencies to provide reasonable doubt.

The accuser admitted to SEVERAL felonies on the stand, none of the witnesses saw any injuries consistent with her first description of the event, the DA never argued the video showing her in a fight with another woman was fake or falsified, AND the person whom she flagged down said she was perfectly calm, not upset, and didn't even realize she was calling 911.

Its true that we can never be 100% sure, but at this point, IMO, you really have to want it to be true to believe he beat her.

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If you remove her testimony (which I have to do, because if you can't believe her original story, you can't believe her recant either.) As an unreliable witness, I just have to remove her testimony completely. Without her recant or her original claim, you have a woman who was visibly injured and a man who may or may not have injured her.

With that said, the video becomes a key piece of evidence in the abuse case. Assuming that what was shown in court proves that she sustained injuries in a fight earlier, then you just can't charge him for the original abuse claim (IMO of course).

Now, that leaves the charges stemming from interfering in a 911 call, and the gun charges. Even on their own, they are an issue that needs to be dealt with in some fashion. I don't believe those charges on their own should be enough to get him expelled from his team, but I wouldn't be surprised to see some sort of deal involving probation being how this portion plays out.

Whether he gets any suspension or not really depends alot on what Goodell considers the 911 interference to be. If he considers that DV under the NFL policy, then he may get suspended. If he ends up just getting the misdemeanor gun charge, then I can see him actually ready to practice come training camp.

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If you remove both accusations (and I think its debatable that you do...but for this conversation lets assume you can't trust either), then what you have a a woman with scratches and busted eardrum and a video of her fighting another woman.

There is no reason to assume guilt on his part.

Moreover you have the fact that she stole $8000, his Rolex and his Designer clothes.

As for a suspension, I really don't know. I know some of the history of DV suspensions, but has the NFL ever suspended someone for owning a gun that is illegal in some states that the NFL plays in but legal in other states that the NFL plays in? Does the NFL suspend based on local law? I don't think it works that way.

The Phone? As I've said before...I don't have any idea.

Pot? Dunno. Never tested positive. Again, will NFL suspend for simply having possession of a substance illegal in some states and legal in others?

To be honest though, I haven't progressed yet to the "does he get suspended" phase of this really as the charges against him are still pending.

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For the Green Highlighted portion of your text...what makes you say this? Do you believe I'm showing some bias towards Foster, or is that a generic "you" as in "nobody can remove both of her statements from the equation". Either way, I think that bit of the statement is incorrect.

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It was a generic "you".

My point in that regard was that all statements aren't equal. One was in the heat of anger very soon after whatever happened happened and the other was in court under penalty of perjury where she confessed to several Felonies and the physical evidence and witnesses would lend credence to her second statement. She also admitted to having done this before.

I don't think anyone can simply make it a wash by saying you can't believe anything she says when the circumstances around those two statements are drastically different and the evidence points to one of those statements being more likely.

However, if anyone does make it a wash and ignores both statements, there is nothing there to charge him with in terms of the DV charge. If the the initial statement is ignored, then you have a woman with injuries, video evidence of an altercation she had with someone else, and an after the fact witness who said she had no visible injures and was very calm when borrowing his phone to calling 911.

Popeyejones":44nrvmgu said:

Not Marvin, but by my read he’s using the generic “you” — probably cuing off of your use of the generic “you” in the first paragraph of your post he’s responding to. :2thumbs:

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Correct.

Marvin49":29yxo4zb said:

kidhawk":29yxo4zb said:

Marvin49":29yxo4zb said:

kidhawk":29yxo4zb said:

If you remove her testimony (which I have to do, because if you can't believe her original story, you can't believe her recant either.) As an unreliable witness, I just have to remove her testimony completely. Without her recant or her original claim, you have a woman who was visibly injured and a man who may or may not have injured her.

With that said, the video becomes a key piece of evidence in the abuse case. Assuming that what was shown in court proves that she sustained injuries in a fight earlier, then you just can't charge him for the original abuse claim (IMO of course).

Now, that leaves the charges stemming from interfering in a 911 call, and the gun charges. Even on their own, they are an issue that needs to be dealt with in some fashion. I don't believe those charges on their own should be enough to get him expelled from his team, but I wouldn't be surprised to see some sort of deal involving probation being how this portion plays out.

Whether he gets any suspension or not really depends alot on what Goodell considers the 911 interference to be. If he considers that DV under the NFL policy, then he may get suspended. If he ends up just getting the misdemeanor gun charge, then I can see him actually ready to practice come training camp.

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If you remove both accusations (and I think its debatable that you do...but for this conversation lets assume you can't trust either), then what you have a a woman with scratches and busted eardrum and a video of her fighting another woman.

There is no reason to assume guilt on his part.

Moreover you have the fact that she stole $8000, his Rolex and his Designer clothes.

As for a suspension, I really don't know. I know some of the history of DV suspensions, but has the NFL ever suspended someone for owning a gun that is illegal in some states that the NFL plays in but legal in other states that the NFL plays in? Does the NFL suspend based on local law? I don't think it works that way.

The Phone? As I've said before...I don't have any idea.

Pot? Dunno. Never tested positive. Again, will NFL suspend for simply having possession of a substance illegal in some states and legal in others?

To be honest though, I haven't progressed yet to the "does he get suspended" phase of this really as the charges against him are still pending.

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For the Green Highlighted portion of your text...what makes you say this? Do you believe I'm showing some bias towards Foster, or is that a generic "you" as in "nobody can remove both of her statements from the equation". Either way, I think that bit of the statement is incorrect.

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It was a generic "you".

My point in that regard was that all statements aren't equal. One was in the heat of anger very soon after whatever happened happened and the other was in court under penalty of perjury where she confessed to several Felonies and the physical evidence and witnesses would lend credence to her second statement. She also admitted to having done this before.

I don't think anyone can simply make it a wash by saying you can't believe anything she says when the circumstances around those two statements are drastically different and the evidence points to one of those statements being more likely.

However, if anyone does make it a wash and ignores both statements, there is nothing there to charge him with in terms of the DV charge. If the the initial statement is ignored, then you have a woman with injuries, video evidence of an altercation she had with someone else, and an after the fact witness who said she had no visible injures and was very calm when borrowing his phone to calling 911.

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Actually one can and should make a wash of both statements, otherwise you are saying that you choose to believe one statement over the other.

With that said, as I said before, you can and should take other evidence into account, and that is the case here. You have mentioned several other key pieces of evidence/testimony that (at the very least) serve as a cause for reasonable doubt.

Finally, I said it earlier, and continue to believe that with the evidence as it stands, I cannot see how he'd be convicted of Assault for her injuries, as they just can't be proven beyond a reasonable doubt.

That just leaves the 911 interference and the weapons charges left to play out.

kidhawk":g0t9szpm said:

Marvin49":g0t9szpm said:

kidhawk":g0t9szpm said:

Marvin49":g0t9szpm said:

If you remove both accusations (and I think its debatable that you do...but for this conversation lets assume you can't trust either), then what you have a a woman with scratches and busted eardrum and a video of her fighting another woman.

There is no reason to assume guilt on his part.

Moreover you have the fact that she stole $8000, his Rolex and his Designer clothes.

As for a suspension, I really don't know. I know some of the history of DV suspensions, but has the NFL ever suspended someone for owning a gun that is illegal in some states that the NFL plays in but legal in other states that the NFL plays in? Does the NFL suspend based on local law? I don't think it works that way.

The Phone? As I've said before...I don't have any idea.

Pot? Dunno. Never tested positive. Again, will NFL suspend for simply having possession of a substance illegal in some states and legal in others?

To be honest though, I haven't progressed yet to the "does he get suspended" phase of this really as the charges against him are still pending.

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For the Green Highlighted portion of your text...what makes you say this? Do you believe I'm showing some bias towards Foster, or is that a generic "you" as in "nobody can remove both of her statements from the equation". Either way, I think that bit of the statement is incorrect.

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It was a generic "you".

My point in that regard was that all statements aren't equal. One was in the heat of anger very soon after whatever happened happened and the other was in court under penalty of perjury where she confessed to several Felonies and the physical evidence and witnesses would lend credence to her second statement. She also admitted to having done this before.

I don't think anyone can simply make it a wash by saying you can't believe anything she says when the circumstances around those two statements are drastically different and the evidence points to one of those statements being more likely.

However, if anyone does make it a wash and ignores both statements, there is nothing there to charge him with in terms of the DV charge. If the the initial statement is ignored, then you have a woman with injuries, video evidence of an altercation she had with someone else, and an after the fact witness who said she had no visible injures and was very calm when borrowing his phone to calling 911.

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Actually one can and should make a wash of both statements, otherwise you are saying that you choose to believe one statement over the other.

With that said, as I said before, you can and should take other evidence into account, and that is the case here. You have mentioned several other key pieces of evidence/testimony that (at the very least) serve as a cause for reasonable doubt.

Finally, I said it earlier, and continue to believe that with the evidence as it stands, I cannot see how he'd be convicted of Assault for her injuries, as they just can't be proven beyond a reasonable doubt.

That just leaves the 911 interference and the weapons charges left to play out.

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We'll just have to agree to disagree on that first point.

I think the fact that she was under threat of perjury in one statement and not on the other makes a big difference and that the other facts seem to corroborate one statement over the other.

If that were not the case and all things were equal, I'd agree with you. This isn't a "normal" case of a person recanting. Nothing about this is "normal".

Other than that tho, yeah likely just now about the phone and weapon charges.

I can see both sides of this.

On the one hand, massively contradictory statements surely make someone an unreliable narrator, and I see the urge to just toss out everything they say.

On the other hand, I think that presents a bit of a false equivalence by flattening out all the context between the two statements.

If someone says two contrasting things, EVERY TIME I'm going to defer to:

1) The thing that was said under oath vs. the thing that wasn't said under oath.

2) The thing that puts the speaker in a negative light vs. the thing that doesn't (we all like to positively frame ourselves, and should perk up when people aren't doing that).

3) The thing that exposes the speaker to significant legal ramifications vs. the thing that doesn't.

4) The thing for which other evidence lines up vs. the thing for which other evidence does not.

FWIW I also don't think the question of if she's just unreliable or if she filed a false report and was reliable under oath is just an academic one.

If the judge deems that she's just unreliable, she can still think this should go to trial (the standard for that is low), whereas if she thinks her sworn testimony is the accurate one then this doesn't go to trial.

*Assuming* Foster didn't do this (if he did, he can rot), that decision has MAJOR ramifications for him and his career. If this goes to trial, even if he's found innocent that's probably going to cost him this full year of his football career. That's not a small thing. In that scenario, assuming he has a five or six year career that decision to go to trial costs him 15-20% of his lifetime earning potential for this career he's been prepping for his entire life. That's not nothing.