RolandDeschain wrote:

Marvin49 wrote:Seahawks D 2010 ( Rookie Years for Kam and Earl): 27th Ranked Defense
Seahawks D 2011 (Rookie year for Sherman): 9th Ranked Defense
Seahawks D 2012: 4th Ranked Defense.

Don't rank defenses by yardage. Ignorant metric.

So if you use Pts its 2010: 25th, 2011: 7th, 2012: 1st.

...which doesn't in any way change point I was making. Players improve. Things change.

By his logic Kam and Earl suck because they had the 25th ranked D in 2010.

Clearly, that's not the case.

3 to 5 wins.

adeltaY wrote:

Marvin49 wrote:

hawknation2018 wrote:

Marvin49 wrote:
M'Kay.

Were you not one of the worst defenses in the NFL?

M'Kay.

Seahawks D 2010 ( Rookie Years for Kam and Earl): 27th Ranked Defense
Seahawks D 2011 (Rookie year for Sherman): 9th Ranked Defense
Seahawks D 2012: 4th Ranked Defense.

Things change. Players develop. Not saying this D will be Seattle and there are guarantees but there is TALENT all over the 49ers D (Foster, Solomon Thomas, Buckner, Witherspoon, Tartt, Colbert). "Replacement level players". LOL. Yer funny.

I realize you are just trolling for a reaction, but man...you gotta try harder.

Forgot about Thomas. Vast majority of even top pick DL players take a while to develop so he will continue to get better.

Not sure what we have to gain by denying good players on bad defenses their due. Aren't we hoping our own players develop and that's why it's okay that we lost so much defensive talent? Would niners fans be correct in saying Shaquill Griffin is a slightly above average player because our defense finished slightly above average (13th)? Can't have it both ways.

The 49ers defense was that bad because the offense was horrid (specifically the qbs, guards and rt). Look at what the defense did after the offense started converting third downs (when Jimmy G began to start).

During the games Jimmy G started, the 49ers were 7th in yards allowed (were 28th without him), 9th in yards per play (18th), and 9th in points allowed (28th). Sounds like a top ten defense when the offense isn’t giving up 400 three and outs every game.


http://www.espn.com/blog/san-francisco- ... everything


Of course, Jimmy G may take a step back, injuries may happen, and maybe the quality of offense wasn’t as good. But that defense certainly isn’t BAD. They just weren’t getting much help from the offense.

Marvin49 wrote:

RolandDeschain wrote:

Marvin49 wrote:Seahawks D 2010 ( Rookie Years for Kam and Earl): 27th Ranked Defense
Seahawks D 2011 (Rookie year for Sherman): 9th Ranked Defense
Seahawks D 2012: 4th Ranked Defense.

Don't rank defenses by yardage. Ignorant metric.

So if you use Pts its 2010: 25th, 2011: 7th, 2012: 1st.

...which doesn't in any way change point I was making. Players improve. Things change.

By his logic Kam and Earl suck because they had the 25th ranked D in 2010.

Clearly, that's not the case.

Things change.

Ipso facto, the Whiner defense will go from crap to great this year.

Amazing argument, Baghdad Bob.

hawknation2018 wrote:

Marvin49 wrote:

RolandDeschain wrote:

Marvin49 wrote:Seahawks D 2010 ( Rookie Years for Kam and Earl): 27th Ranked Defense
Seahawks D 2011 (Rookie year for Sherman): 9th Ranked Defense
Seahawks D 2012: 4th Ranked Defense.

Don't rank defenses by yardage. Ignorant metric.

So if you use Pts its 2010: 25th, 2011: 7th, 2012: 1st.

...which doesn't in any way change point I was making. Players improve. Things change.

By his logic Kam and Earl suck because they had the 25th ranked D in 2010.

Clearly, that's not the case.

Things change.

Ipso facto, the Whiner defense will go from crap to great this year.

Amazing argument, Baghdad Bob.

I didn't say that....and moreover you KNOW I didn't say that.

In fact I said there were no guarantees. I am not by any means saying the 49ers D will be that good or will be good at all. What I AM saying though is that your argument that all but 1 or 2 players on the Niner D suck because of the defensive ranking this year is bunk. Solomon Thomas was a Rookie. Rueben Foster missed half the season. Witherspoon didn't start till late in the year. Tartt missed several games to injury. Colbert didn't start until late in the year. Armstead missed most of the season.

If you are going to troll, please at least try to stay on topic.

The topic is a prediction thread.

Man up and give one.

hawknation2018 wrote:The topic is a prediction thread.

Man up and give one.

6-3.

Likely too many wins there but I'd rather be an optimist than a pessimist.

Marvin49 wrote:

hawknation2018 wrote:The topic is a prediction thread.

Man up and give one.

6-3.

Likely too many wins there but I'd rather be an optimist than a pessimist.

Oh, we know.

Like when you picked the 49ers to win 10 games in 2015.

RolandDeschain wrote:

Marvin49 wrote:Seahawks D 2010 ( Rookie Years for Kam and Earl): 27th Ranked Defense
Seahawks D 2011 (Rookie year for Sherman): 9th Ranked Defense
Seahawks D 2012: 4th Ranked Defense.

Don't rank defenses by yardage. Ignorant metric.

True dat.

Maulbert wrote:

Marvin49 wrote:

hawknation2018 wrote:The topic is a prediction thread.

Man up and give one.

6-3.

Likely too many wins there but I'd rather be an optimist than a pessimist.

Oh, we know.

Like when you picked the 49ers to win 10 games in 2015.

I don't remember that prediction but I won't argue it.

I'd be curious tho if that was before or after Patrick Willis, Justin Smith, Anthony Davis and Chris Borland retired, Aldon got in trouble again, and they lost Crabtree, Gore, and Iupati to Free Agency. That was a rough year.

They went 5-11 but curious what their record would have been with all those guys on the roster.

...oh yeah, and they lost that Harbaugh guy too.

4 -5

I'll go with 5-4.

7-2 with losses to Chargers and Rams.

Probably 7ish.

Depends of Grappallo can stay upright. This division is going to have some horses going after the QB, he ain't in the AFC East any more TOTO.

1. At Vikings LOSS
2. Lions WIN
3. At Chiefs LOSS
4. At Chargers WIN
5. Cardinals WIN
6. At Packers LOSS
7. Rams WIN
8. At Cardinals WIN
9. Raiders WIN

6-3 for me. This feels a lot like 2017 when Seahawk fans laughed at the Rams in June/July. The Niners are going to be a problem for the foreseeable future.

So are the Rams.

What team isn't going to be a problem for the foreseeable future? I guess that leaves the Cards?

Wouldn't count them out just yet either.

My Niner predictions first 9 games:

W1 SF@Minny - Loss
W2 Det@SF - Win
W3 SF@KC - Loss
W4 SF@ LA Chargers - Loss
W5 Cards @SF - Win
W6 SF @GB - Win
W7 LA Rams @SF - Loss
W8 SF @Cards - Win
W9 Raiders @SF - Loss

4-5

RedAlice wrote:My Niner predictions first 9 games:

W1 SF@Minny - Loss
W2 Det@SF - Win
W3 SF@KC - Loss
W4 SF@ LA Chargers - Loss
W5 Cards @SF - Win
W6 SF @GB - Win
W7 LA Rams @SF - Loss
W8 SF @Cards - Win
W9 Raiders @SF - Loss

4-5

I think they win fewer than that, but I'll take a losing record for them through nine!

RedAlice wrote:So are the Rams.

What team isn't going to be a problem for the foreseeable future? I guess that leaves the Cards?

Wouldn't count them out just yet either.

Very true. Looks like the division is getting back to being what it was about 4 years ago. Fire tempers Steel.

Seahawkfan80 wrote:

RedAlice wrote:So are the Rams.

What team isn't going to be a problem for the foreseeable future? I guess that leaves the Cards?

Wouldn't count them out just yet either.

Very true. Looks like the division is getting back to being what it was about 4 years ago. Fire tempers Steel.

Hope so! It's more fun when our division is tough and all of the teams are good.

RedAlice wrote:

Seahawkfan80 wrote:

RedAlice wrote:So are the Rams.

What team isn't going to be a problem for the foreseeable future? I guess that leaves the Cards?

Wouldn't count them out just yet either.

Very true. Looks like the division is getting back to being what it was about 4 years ago. Fire tempers Steel.

Hope so! It's more fun when our division is tough and all of the teams are good.

When our division is tough, NO other division compares and we route them no matter what team we send.

1. At Vikings LOSS
2. Lions WIN
3. At Chiefs LOSS
4. At Chargers LOSS
5. Cardinals WIN
6. At Packers LOSS
7. Rams LOSS
8. At Cardinals WIN
9. Raiders WIN


I could see this, and them possibly beating the Rams as its a divisional game that they will be at home and pumped up for. So 4-5 or 5-4, which given that schedule is not too bad.

Shoot, I'd go with same list you just did Ram Fan.

I'm going to amend my prediction to give more variance, since there are so many unknowns: 2-7 through 6-3 are what I consider the safest prediction interval. There are just so many variables: The new arrival of Jet, Sherm, the rookies, the new center Weston Richburg, moving Solomon Thomas back on the inside on pass rush downs where he belongs, Foster only being suspended two games, the return of Malcom Smith (who was, by all Bay area sports writers accounts, having a really good off season before the injury), the return of Pierre Garçon (who never played with a competent QB on the team, being injured after 8 games), a new right tackle (McKlinchey) who is a better scheme fit, but perhaps not as good a pass blocker as Trent Brown (but definitely better run blocker), the loss of Dantae Johnson (addition by subtraction... sorry Seahawks fans but he was terribad last year), and of course, how far will Garoppolo be able to take the offense.

So yeah, there are just too many unknowns.

So splitting the difference between my expected boundaries, give them a 4-5 +/- 1 W and 1 L start.

SoulfishHawk wrote:Shoot, I'd go with same list you just did Ram Fan.

Me too.

I love the 9ers, but they're getting way too much love this offseason. IMO they're the team this year that's supposed to make a playoff jump but in reality is still a year or two off from that.

Popeyejones wrote:

SoulfishHawk wrote:Shoot, I'd go with same list you just did Ram Fan.

Me too.

I love the 9ers, but they're getting way too much love this offseason. IMO they're the team this year that's supposed to make a playoff jump but in reality is still a year or two off from that.

I think that’s a very fair assessment. I fully expect the Hawks and Niners to challenge the Rams for the NFC West in 2019.
This division is going to be the best in football again very shortly.

Sports Hernia wrote:

Popeyejones wrote:

SoulfishHawk wrote:Shoot, I'd go with same list you just did Ram Fan.

Me too.

I love the 9ers, but they're getting way too much love this offseason. IMO they're the team this year that's supposed to make a playoff jump but in reality is still a year or two off from that.

I think that’s a very fair assessment. I fully expect the Hawks and Niners to challenge the Rams for the NFC West in 2019.
This division is going to be the best in football again very shortly.

We're all going to be eating our own poo if the Cardinals win the division...

4-5 and feeling good about themselves.