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Agents Really Are Snakes
Sat Jul 28, 2018 10:51 am

  • this guy really rubs me the wrong way not only this but i seen a few tweets of his previously just in it for his percentage. love it if et3 stays but sick of this now
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Sat Jul 28, 2018 11:04 am
  • I would assume that it's in the contract that teams can cut a player at any time, but it's not as if there's not repercussions to that.
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Re: Agents Really Are Snakes
Sat Jul 28, 2018 11:11 am
  • Teams are required to pay agreed upon guarantees, including injury guarantees. For example, Kam Chancellor says he is “retired” but will still be paid tens of millions of dollars from the salary cap over the next two seasons.

    Most people are at-will employees who can be fired for any lawful reason. Most people will make significantly less in their lifetimes than the top players make for a single game.

    I’m in favor of protecting the players. But you have to have some reasonable perspective.
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Re: Agents Really Are Snakes
Sat Jul 28, 2018 11:13 am
  • TriCHawk wrote:I would assume that it's in the contract that teams can cut a player at any time, but it's not as if there's not repercussions to that.

    what annoys me is most of these agents grab non fully guaranteed to get a big portion upfront then cry when this stuff happens. earl gets fined what like 40k a day for missing training man im lucky earning that a year
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Re: Agents Really Are Snakes
Sat Jul 28, 2018 11:24 am
  • This is what he comes out with after all this time? Complaining about the current reality? This is pathetic.

    Offer something more than whining to the conversation. It’s not even a tactic in negotion, it’s just being a B.
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Re: Agents Really Are Snakes
Sat Jul 28, 2018 11:30 am
  • People get tunnel vision very easily in most professions. It’s hard for people to have empathy for the other side.

    The salary cap is a necessary evil that teams have to work under. More money spent on a player, who is not contributing, lowers that team’s ability to be competitive.
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Re: Agents Really Are Snakes
Sat Jul 28, 2018 11:32 am
  • I mean, he’s right...
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Sat Jul 28, 2018 11:38 am
  • Steve2222 wrote:I mean, he’s right...

    how so? under contract refusing to show, fireable offense no?
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Re: Agents Really Are Snakes
Sat Jul 28, 2018 12:27 pm
  • You sign a contract every time you take a job with a Employer, when I hired on I wanted to grow and enhance my career and the companies I work for agree to that, I agreed to use my skills and knowledge to make them profitable within my responsibilities. Now comes the quarter report, I performed above expectations, the company did not, they lay me off not giving me a chance to enhance and grow my career, The person making the decisions about product, and deployment of technology blew it, yet he is still there, and I am not.

    You think I can file a lawsuit for breach of contract, not likely.
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Sat Jul 28, 2018 4:58 pm
  • NFL,,,,,,,, only place communism works.
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Re: Agents Really Are Snakes
Sun Jul 29, 2018 5:56 am
  • It doesn't really compare to a regular job, though. You don't "sign a contract every time you take a job with a Employer", at best you have an implied agreement that if you continue to show up and work hard you won't get fired for cause today. If you sign a contract with a company to provide a service for a certain period of time for a certain amount of money, then BOTH sides are obligated to follow that contract through to the end or get sued by the other party for breach of contract. The players are right, in the NFL that obligation only goes one way. Of course it's their own fault for allowing that in the union contract, so there's that.
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Re: Agents Really Are Snakes
Sun Jul 29, 2018 10:30 am
  • Guaranteed contracts could certainly work in the NFL but what I don't think the players or the agent realized is that the pay would go down dramarically.
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Re: Agents Really Are Snakes
Sun Jul 29, 2018 11:47 am
  • I just don’t get why guys sign 3-4 extensions and then get butt hurt when they’re no longer the top paid at their position. Everybody knows the salary cap is increasing every year, everybody knows the next top player at each position is going to make more than the last. Shit keeps going up, so don’t sign a contract for 4 years unless you’re willing to play for the money you agreed to.

    If you don’t want to play this game, sign 1-2 year deals and bet on yourself. You keep proving your worth, you can keep negotiation a top salary. I love Earl and some of these other guys that have held out, but they’re in the wrong and it’s getting tiring to see the same “bUt TeAmS cAn CuT a PlAyEr At AnYtImE, iTs NoT fAiR” bs. The ability to cut a player is literally in their contracts as well. It’s not uncommon for a player to get cut and the team remain on the hook for the majority (or at least guaranteed portion) of the contract.
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Re: Agents Really Are Snakes
Sun Jul 29, 2018 12:24 pm
  • HawkGA wrote:Guarnateed contracts could certainly work in the NFL but what I don't think the players or the agent realized is that the pay would go down dramarically.



    Basketball is not a collision sport and that whole system is one of bait and switch crap, they trade half a team it seems at times to move money around.

    NFL, they may get a guarantee, but as you stated short contract, these are guys running into each other for a job, money may be less as well as their bonus's. You don't get both, you want a guarantee then you give up the bonus and length or something along those lines. Free Agent market every year would be a feeding frenzy as well, there would be no continuity on teams.


    Greed and over value of a players own ability is going to destroy the balance of the league, the reason Football is so popular in many cases is every team can have hope from year to year based on the team and talent in the front office and coaching. They start messing with that balance in some way the system will get broken and may never recover.
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Re: Agents Really Are Snakes
Mon Jul 30, 2018 4:34 am
  • He's not wrong.

    Last year the salary cap was 167 million.

    From the TV deal each team got 256 million.

    You can net out player salares from just the TV deal alone and that's still 90 million dollars for the owners before you factor in ANYTHING ELSE, which is just printing money without any labor expenses: tickets, parking, luxury suites, food, hats, jerseys, shirts, bumper stickers, etc., etc.

    Fans have somehow deluded themselves into thinking that player salaries have ANYTHING TO DO WITH the cost of attending a game, parking, buying food, etc.

    It's just complete and total nonsense.
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Re: Agents Really Are Snakes
Mon Jul 30, 2018 12:51 pm
  • Popeyejones wrote:He's not wrong.

    Last year the salary cap was 167 million.

    From the TV deal each team got 256 million.

    You can net out player salares from just the TV deal alone and that's still 90 million dollars for the owners before you factor in ANYTHING ELSE, which is just printing money without any labor expenses: tickets, parking, luxury suites, food, hats, jerseys, shirts, bumper stickers, etc., etc.

    Fans have somehow deluded themselves into thinking that player salaries have ANYTHING TO DO WITH the cost of attending a game, parking, buying food, etc.

    It's just complete and total nonsense.


    Yes but many NFL fans are only mad at the players for being greedy smh. If them being so much richer than a normal person means they should take less money or not fight for a better contract then what about the owners? Couldn't they lower ticket prices since they have so much money?
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Mon Jul 30, 2018 4:01 pm
  • Steve2222 wrote:I mean, he’s right...

    Poor guys! I really feel for them having to play a game for millions of dollars at the risk of being cut and only paid hundreds of thousands of dollars to do nothing. Our LEO, Military, Fire & Rescue, construction, etc, have it so much easier than professional athletes do while performing their cushy unimportant jobs .... :sarcasm_off:
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Tue Jul 31, 2018 2:58 pm
  • seahawkfreak wrote:NFL,,,,,,,, only place communism works.



    Agree. The NFL owners antitrust exemption and tax exemption as a league is clear evidence of communism.....

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Re: Agents Really Are Snakes
Tue Jul 31, 2018 3:38 pm
  • brimsalabim wrote:
    Steve2222 wrote:I mean, he’s right...

    Poor guys! I really feel for them having to play a game for millions of dollars at the risk of being cut and only paid hundreds of thousands of dollars to do nothing. Our LEO, Military, Fire & Rescue, construction, etc, have it so much easier than professional athletes do while performing their cushy unimportant jobs .... :sarcasm_off:


    Or at the risk of being paralyzed like Shazier?
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Tue Jul 31, 2018 3:59 pm
  • adeltaY wrote:Or at the risk of being paralyzed like Shazier?

    I find the risk-to-body argument to be specious. As Brim pointed out, members of the armed forces risk death and dismemberment for peanuts as far as salary is concerned, and significantly worse benefits. You don't see them trying to blackmail Uncle Sam for more money, lol.

    Football players know the risks many years before they enter the NFL, especially nowadays.

    The "we put our bodies on the line" argument from any professional athlete is ridiculous, IMO.
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Tue Jul 31, 2018 5:29 pm
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    adeltaY wrote:Or at the risk of being paralyzed like Shazier?

    I find the risk-to-body argument to be specious. As Brim pointed out, members of the armed forces risk death and dismemberment for peanuts as far as salary is concerned, and significantly worse benefits. You don't see them trying to blackmail Uncle Sam for more money, lol.

    Football players know the risks many years before they enter the NFL, especially nowadays.

    The "we put our bodies on the line" argument from any professional athlete is ridiculous, IMO.


    Everyone that has a job puts their body on the line, whether it's a programmer, eyes wrists carpel tunnel syndrome, back or the guy that is building a skyscraper for numorous reasons. You know when you get into the profession that long term it can have different effects, you do your best to minimalize them but everyone pays a proce for what they do for a living.


    We just as average joes don't get contracts or paid 100,000's or millions for doing it for 3 to 5 years at a crack.
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Tue Jul 31, 2018 8:36 pm
  • What does the fact that soliders are underpaid have to do with NFL players trying to maximizer their earnings? Not saying the military and the other mentioned professions aren't underpaid - I'd say they are but that's a societal issue and has nothing to do with the NFL, which is an entertainment business.

    I'm not some sort of apologist for rich people but it's clear to me the owners earn way more than the players at much less risk so why be mad at the players? If they shared more revenue with the players I'm sure the issue wouldn't be as bad. It seems like they're held to a higher standard by fans and I'm not sure why.
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Tue Jul 31, 2018 10:33 pm
  • adeltaY wrote:What does the fact that soliders are underpaid have to do with NFL players trying to maximizer their earnings? Not saying the military and the other mentioned professions aren't underpaid - I'd say they are but that's a societal issue and has nothing to do with the NFL, which is an entertainment business.

    I'm not some sort of apologist for rich people but it's clear to me the owners earn way more than the players at much less risk so why be mad at the players? If they shared more revenue with the players I'm sure the issue wouldn't be as bad. It seems like they're held to a higher standard by fans and I'm not sure why.


    Most owners made there money somewhere else, they chose to purchase the team. They encure the costs, the expense when players get hurt and honor the contracts. The players chose this as their career knowing there was a business side as well, the Agents bring the clarity of that business side to them and if good and honest try to maximise the return on the talent and make a buck of the player trusting them to get them the best deal.
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Tue Jul 31, 2018 11:02 pm
  • RolandDeschain wrote:
    adeltaY wrote:Or at the risk of being paralyzed like Shazier?

    I find the risk-to-body argument to be specious. As Brim pointed out, members of the armed forces risk death and dismemberment for peanuts as far as salary is concerned, and significantly worse benefits. You don't see them trying to blackmail Uncle Sam for more money, lol.

    Football players know the risks many years before they enter the NFL, especially nowadays.

    The "we put our bodies on the line" argument from any professional athlete is ridiculous, IMO.



    Unless they violate some rules the military honors their contract. This is not a comparison between salaries it is between how contracts are looked at. You’re example couldn’t be more flawed.

    NFL teams don’t honor contracts, it is common practice to get an extension with one year left. Exercising ones RIGHTS to sitting out ie strike is fully in accordance with the CBA rules that governs the contract. If the player comes back with x weeks left he gets to count the year otherwise not. Sitting out is a part of the process as much as teams cutting players.
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Tue Jul 31, 2018 11:27 pm
  • mikeak wrote:Unless they violate some rules the military honors their contract. This is not a comparison between salaries it is between how contracts are looked at. You’re example couldn’t be more flawed.

    NFL teams don’t honor contracts, it is common practice to get an extension with one year left. Exercising ones RIGHTS to sitting out ie strike is fully in accordance with the CBA rules that governs the contract. If the player comes back with x weeks left he gets to count the year otherwise not. Sitting out is a part of the process as much as teams cutting players.

    Actually, they honor contracts to the extent that they are legally allowed to, which is what the vast majority of businesses in general follow as a rule.

    Also, striking too much has serious long-term repercussions...see Boeing as the most recent major example in the Seattle area.
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Wed Aug 01, 2018 8:08 am
  • NFL contracts are interesting, the guaranteed money is the real contract, the only part that gives the player any power/leverage.

    Once that is paid out.... the player is completely at the whim of the team. The team can cut player at any time, but the player is stuck and without choices.

    But the players know this, the agents know this. The % of the contracts that are becoming guaranteed are growing more and more.
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Mon Aug 13, 2018 11:32 pm
  • People put their bodies on the line for much less than millions of dollars.
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Re: Agents Really Are Snakes
Tue Aug 14, 2018 1:58 am
  • hawknation2018 wrote:Teams are required to pay agreed upon guarantees, including injury guarantees. For example, Kam Chancellor says he is “retired” but will still be paid tens of millions of dollars from the salary cap over the next two seasons.

    Most people are at-will employees who can be fired for any lawful reason. Most people will make significantly less in their lifetimes than the top players make for a single game.

    I’m in favor of protecting the players. But you have to have some reasonable perspective.


    Personally believe that if there are guarantees (excluding injury guarantees) remaining, then the player should be held to rights to fulfil his contract.
    If there are no guarantees remaining then players should be allowed to return any signing bonus relating to remaining years (e.g. a player signed a 5 year contract with $20m signing bonus, which is pro-rated across the 5 years - and first 3 years are guaranteed. If the player wants to quit after 3 years he is welcome to do so - as long as he returns $8m).

    If players can be cut with no consequence, then they should be allowed to quit with no consequence. I sure as hell would quit my job if I felt I wasn't being paid enough, imagine I tried to and my boss said "no actually you have to turn up for the next 2 years, or we choose which employer you go to instead and we get compensated for it. You still have no choice in the matter oh and by the way they are going to pay you the same amount you're getting now.
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Tue Aug 14, 2018 7:50 am
  • themunn wrote:If players can be cut with no consequence, then they should be allowed to quit with no consequence. I sure as hell would quit my job if I felt I wasn't being paid enough, imagine I tried to and my boss said "no actually you have to turn up for the next 2 years, or we choose which employer you go to instead and we get compensated for it. You still have no choice in the matter oh and by the way they are going to pay you the same amount you're getting now.


    I guess I'd ask why you signed a contract that gave your rights away for four (or more) years, when you already had the knowledge that pay is going up on a yearly basis and you'll no longer be the highest paid at your position by year three or four, instead of signing a contract that let you renegotiate your contract in two years.

    He's still in the top three or five for safety salaries, so it's not like he's being disrespected and undervalued when compared to his peers.
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Re: Agents Really Are Snakes
Wed Aug 15, 2018 9:13 am
  • Players know what's in a contract, unless they're fools. The guaranteed portion is the only thing they're going to see.

    They make plenty of money, but when they claim they aren't being paid fairly, that's BS. In order for one player to make more money, another player or players has to take less. There's only so much pie.

    Why is there only so much pie? Because of players like JaMarcus Russell who got paid a huge chunk of Oakland's salary cap, limiting what was available for the other players for YEARS! The other 52 players got screwed because JaMarcus didn't live up to his side of the contract.

    And if you're going to quote the amount of money a team makes, you have to show how much their overhead is too. Air travel, hotels, food, MEDICAL costs, doctors on payroll, coaches, uniforms, food and drinks, office space for their dozens of employees, liability, Scouts traveling to all of the colleges. That money disappears fast.

    I don't feel sorry for either side. They're both getting rich. More money than any of us will ever see in our lifetime. Do you think Marshawn Lynch gives a shit about you or your family? "Marshawn has 50 million in the bank." (Michael Robinson).
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Wed Aug 15, 2018 5:07 pm
  • ivotuk wrote:Players know what's in a contract, unless they're fools. The guaranteed portion is the only thing they're going to see.

    They make plenty of money, but when they claim they aren't being paid fairly, that's BS. In order for one player to make more money, another player or players has to take less. There's only so much pie.

    Why is there only so much pie? Because of players like JaMarcus Russell who got paid a huge chunk of Oakland's salary cap, limiting what was available for the other players for YEARS! The other 52 players got screwed because JaMarcus didn't live up to his side of the contract.

    And if you're going to quote the amount of money a team makes, you have to show how much their overhead is too. Air travel, hotels, food, MEDICAL costs, doctors on payroll, coaches, uniforms, food and drinks, office space for their dozens of employees, liability, Scouts traveling to all of the colleges. That money disappears fast.

    I don't feel sorry for either side. They're both getting rich. More money than any of us will ever see in our lifetime. Do you think Marshawn Lynch gives a shit about you or your family? "Marshawn has 50 million in the bank." (Michael Robinson).



    Lynch also stated that he never spent any of his NFL money, which means he has lived off the investment of it and his endorsements.
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