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GURLEY Is a FRAUD
Thu Dec 06, 2018 7:01 pm



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Re: GURLEY Is a FRAUD
Thu Dec 06, 2018 7:05 pm
  • .....no
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Re: GURLEY Is a FRAUD
Thu Dec 06, 2018 7:18 pm
  • Rams have an insanely good offensive line, and they’re all great run blockers.

    That lowers the prime opportunities for him to break tackles at or near the line of scrimmage.

    He’s benefited a lot from those big running lanes, clearly.
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Re: GURLEY Is a FRAUD
Thu Dec 06, 2018 7:24 pm
  • I attribute Gurley's success to two things.

    1. All-Pro LT Andrew Whitworth
    2. McVays schemes

    I feel the same way about Gurley as I did about Alexander. He has some world class blockers putting him in the right places. He's a good running back, and his line gives him the opportunity to do great things. He's taking advantage of it.

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Re: GURLEY Is a FRAUD
Thu Dec 06, 2018 9:05 pm
  • So Carson is better than Lynch? Interesting. :hmmmm:
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Re: GURLEY Is a FRAUD
Thu Dec 06, 2018 9:18 pm
  • sutz wrote:So Carson is better than Lynch? Interesting. :hmmmm:


    This year yes :P
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Re: GURLEY Is a FRAUD
Fri Dec 07, 2018 5:39 am
  • You would need to look critically at what this stat reflects. For example, Christian McCaffrey, 18.1 %, had a field day with Seattle, but he's middle of the field with this stat.
    Says to me these guys run where there is no tackle to be broken, rather than the bulldozer method.
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Re: GURLEY Is a FRAUD
Fri Dec 07, 2018 6:38 am
  • If Gurley is a fraud then Eckler, Cook and Lewis are elite? There's more to being a great running back then how many tackles you break.
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Re: GURLEY Is a FRAUD
Fri Dec 07, 2018 8:45 am
  • Speed kills. You can't break a tackle if they can't touch you. It also produces big runs which are chunk plays. I liken it to a receiver who is fast and a burner vs a tight coverage catcher.
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Re: GURLEY Is a FRAUD
Fri Dec 07, 2018 1:46 pm
  • I get accused of pooing on the Rams a lot but this one of the rare times I disagree. Gurley is the MVP of the league IMO. I honestly don't believe the Rams offense would be top 10 without him. He is the focal point of their misdirection scheme and there are maybe 3 running backs in the league capable of doing what he's doing.
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Re: GURLEY Is a FRAUD
Fri Dec 07, 2018 11:30 pm
  • hawknation2018 wrote:Rams have an insanely good offensive line, and they’re all great run blockers.

    That lowers the prime opportunities for him to break tackles at or near the line of scrimmage.

    He’s benefited a lot from those big running lanes, clearly.

    That just gives him more time to build up steam, making it easier for him to break tackles against smaller guys in the secondary...if anything, he should have MORE broken tackles. It's not like he's breaking 50-60-70-yard runs off untouched every game.

    I have to agree with the OP on this one. Overrated.
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Re: GURLEY Is a FRAUD
Sat Dec 08, 2018 1:46 am
  • whatever else is happening, defenses apparently aren't getting as many chances at tackling gurley. he's getting sprung into the clear with regularity by his o-line.
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Re: GURLEY Is a FRAUD
Sat Dec 08, 2018 6:49 am
  • 3 TDs in week 5 against the Seahawks. With no Todd Gurley it would have been 2-0 instead of 0-2 against the Rams. To be sure, not overrated.
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Re: GURLEY Is a FRAUD
Sat Dec 08, 2018 11:05 am
  • Palmegranite wrote:3 TDs in week 5 against the Seahawks. With no Todd Gurley it would have been 2-0 instead of 0-2 against the Rams. To be sure, not overrated.

    His performance dropped like a rock when his O-line wasn't great. (2016)
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Re: GURLEY Is a FRAUD
Sat Dec 08, 2018 1:03 pm



















  • You get the point. FRAUD.
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Re: GURLEY Is a FRAUD
Sat Dec 08, 2018 6:45 pm
  • Man, you could only fit like three running backs side by side through most of those holes. Pretty tough life Gurley has, playing behind the Rams' O-line.
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Re: GURLEY Is a FRAUD
Sat Dec 08, 2018 7:09 pm
  • *Wonders to himself if Marshawn could have had a 2500-yard season behind the 2018 Rams O-line.*
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Re: GURLEY Is a FRAUD
Sat Dec 08, 2018 11:10 pm
  • RolandDeschain wrote:*Wonders to himself if Marshawn could have had a 2500-yard season behind the 2018 Rams O-line.*


    Would not matter, Bevell would have to call for him to get the ball........................
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Re: GURLEY Is a FRAUD
Sun Dec 09, 2018 1:16 am
  • RolandDeschain wrote:*Wonders to himself if Marshawn could have had a 2500-yard season behind the 2018 Rams O-line.*


    Exactly.

    If Lynch or any Hawk RB was doing as Gurley IS: you would fall face to earth in worship.

    IS includes reality, btw.
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Re: GURLEY Is a FRAUD
Sun Dec 09, 2018 1:20 am
  • RolandDeschain wrote:Man, you could only fit like three running backs side by side through most of those holes. Pretty tough life Gurley has, playing behind the Rams' O-line.


    Always an excuse.

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Re: GURLEY Is a FRAUD
Sun Dec 09, 2018 1:22 am
  • I have a question.

    Are not NFL teams, teams?

    So if a TEAM builds a good O-line, as a TEAM should - that makes their skill positions less worthy?

    OR: it’s a TEAM game.

    —-

    Are Hawk fans saying something else?

    It’s NOT a team game?
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Re: GURLEY Is a FRAUD
Sun Dec 09, 2018 6:41 am
  • The OP is saying Gurleys success, and subsequent hype, is because of the team. That just about any nfl running back (and some fans) could rack up similar stats behind that line and with those schemes
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Re: GURLEY Is a FRAUD
Sun Dec 09, 2018 6:46 am
  • Gurley is a fraud?
    So you wouldn't do a Carson for Gurley trade, even up?

    Gurley is one of the top RBs in the NFL. I don't care what team you put him on.
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Re: GURLEY Is a FRAUD
Sun Dec 09, 2018 7:54 am
  • RedAlice wrote:If Lynch or any Hawk RB was doing as Gurley IS: you would fall face to earth in worship.

    Or so you would like to assume, at any rate.
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Re: GURLEY Is a FRAUD
Sun Dec 09, 2018 8:46 am
  • Could it be that Gurley is good AND his O-line is good?
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Re: GURLEY Is a FRAUD
Sun Dec 09, 2018 11:32 am
  • See Todd Gurley 2016. He is breaking tackles in 2018 at the the rate of oldman Fitzgerald. FRAUD.
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Re: GURLEY Is a FRAUD
Sun Dec 09, 2018 12:20 pm
  • Uncle Si wrote:The OP is saying Gurleys success, and subsequent hype, is because of the team. That just about any nfl running back (and some fans) could rack up similar stats behind that line and with those schemes


    Gurley is having a great season. He's an awesome running back. The number of RBs I've seen be able to have monster success without excellent line play/complementary passing game is something I can probably count on one hand. If Gurley wins the MVP it isn't any different than Shaun Alexander getting it to me.
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Re: GURLEY Is a FRAUD
Sun Dec 09, 2018 2:05 pm
  • I think Gurley is getting the same benefits Alexander got behind that line.
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Re: GURLEY Is a FRAUD
Sun Dec 09, 2018 2:27 pm
  • chris98251 wrote:I think Gurley is getting the same benefits Alexander got behind that line.


    100% this^^^^^
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Re: GURLEY Is a FRAUD
Sun Dec 09, 2018 8:48 pm
  • 11 carries 28 yards. MVP.
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Re: GURLEY Is a FRAUD
Sun Dec 09, 2018 8:52 pm
  • Fade wrote:11 carries 28 yards. MVP.


    Most Valuable Poser?
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Re: GURLEY Is a FRAUD
Sun Dec 09, 2018 9:05 pm
  • Sox-n-Hawks wrote:
    Fade wrote:11 carries 28 yards. MVP.


    Most Valuable Poser?

    :mrgreen:
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Re: GURLEY Is a FRAUD
Sun Dec 09, 2018 10:51 pm
  • Fade wrote:11 carries 28 yards. MVP.

    Still leads the NFL in total yards and TDs.

    As the saying goes "even a broken clock is right twice a day".
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Re: GURLEY Is a FRAUD
Sun Dec 09, 2018 11:10 pm
  • WmHBonney wrote:Gurley is a fraud?
    So you wouldn't do a Carson for Gurley trade, even up?

    Gurley is one of the top RBs in the NFL. I don't care what team you put him on.


    I would not. Carson has to break an extreme amount of tackles to have the success he is having.

    Gurley in Seattle's scheme would be pedestrian.
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Re: GURLEY Is a FRAUD
Sun Dec 09, 2018 11:33 pm
  • Fade wrote:
    WmHBonney wrote:Gurley is a fraud?
    So you wouldn't do a Carson for Gurley trade, even up?

    Gurley is one of the top RBs in the NFL. I don't care what team you put him on.


    I would not. Carson has to break an extreme amount of tackles to have the success he is having.

    Gurley in Seattle's scheme would be pedestrian.

    Well, at least we know you don't have an eye for talent.
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Re: GURLEY Is a FRAUD
Sun Dec 09, 2018 11:45 pm
  • knownone wrote:Well, at least we know you don't have an eye for talent.

    Better than having an intellect that commonly succumbs to media hype and accumulative statistics with no regard to any possible caveats that may explain them.
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Re: GURLEY Is a FRAUD
Mon Dec 10, 2018 1:32 am
  • RolandDeschain wrote:
    knownone wrote:Well, at least we know you don't have an eye for talent.

    Better than having an intellect that commonly succumbs to media hype and accumulative statistics with no regard to any possible caveats that may explain them.

    A belief that hinges on caveats such as 'broken tackle %' and one bad game, is an opinion to concerned with contrarianism to form a cognizant point with respect to reality as it is. The idea that Gurley would be "pedestrian" in Seattle is laughable, he's one of the five best running back prospects of the decade, he was picked in the top 15 of the draft. The OP is obviously being hyperbolic and it's humorous and I can respect that fact. I just felt the need to point out the absurdity in it. :D

    Also, perhaps it is best for you to spend less time worrying about what other intellects may succumb to and focus on presenting a tangible rebuttal. It's impossible for you to know where someone else's conclusion has come from and it presupposes that your position is the correct one. I'm all for debate on the merits of what is put forth so attack my opinion, not my intellect.
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Re: GURLEY Is a FRAUD
Mon Dec 10, 2018 5:57 am
  • Gurley certainly is not a Fraud. But, The Paper Champ Rams are very much beatable. Put pressure on Goff and he chokes, period. Now GOFF is certainly a decent QB, but far from clutch.
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Re: GURLEY Is a FRAUD
Mon Dec 10, 2018 10:49 am
  • Fade wrote:
    WmHBonney wrote:Gurley is a fraud?
    So you wouldn't do a Carson for Gurley trade, even up?

    Gurley is one of the top RBs in the NFL. I don't care what team you put him on.


    I would not. Carson has to break an extreme amount of tackles to have the success he is having.

    Gurley in Seattle's scheme would be pedestrian.


    Amen! Gurley had some HUGE holes to run through, and a high scoring offense that gets up on opponents and tries to run the clock out.
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Re: GURLEY Is a FRAUD
Mon Dec 10, 2018 11:01 am
  • I won't call Gurley a fault, I would however say that Gurley couldn't break tackle like our Carson.
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Re: GURLEY Is a FRAUD
Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:36 pm
  • RolandDeschain wrote:
    knownone wrote:Well, at least we know you don't have an eye for talent.

    Better than having an intellect that commonly succumbs to media hype and accumulative statistics with no regard to any possible caveats that may explain them.


    I TOTALLY understand/agree with that quote. It applies to so many other areas.
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Re: GURLEY Is a FRAUD
Wed Dec 12, 2018 4:15 pm
  • knownone wrote:
    Fade wrote:
    WmHBonney wrote:Gurley is a fraud?
    So you wouldn't do a Carson for Gurley trade, even up?

    Gurley is one of the top RBs in the NFL. I don't care what team you put him on.


    I would not. Carson has to break an extreme amount of tackles to have the success he is having.

    Gurley in Seattle's scheme would be pedestrian.

    Well, at least we know you don't have an eye for talent.


    PFF apparently doesn't either as they agree with me.



    "With high-profile running backs like Todd Gurley and Ezekiel Elliott owning the box score in the NFC, Seattle Seahawks’ Chris Carson has unjustly missed the spotlight in 2018. However, following his mightily impressive 2018 campaign, it’s Carson – not the aforementioned backs – who gets our Pro Bowl vote." -PFF

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Re: GURLEY Is a FRAUD
Thu Dec 13, 2018 8:51 am
  • Fade wrote:
    WmHBonney wrote:Gurley is a fraud?
    So you wouldn't do a Carson for Gurley trade, even up?

    Gurley is one of the top RBs in the NFL. I don't care what team you put him on.


    I would not. Carson has to break an extreme amount of tackles to have the success he is having.

    Gurley in Seattle's scheme would be pedestrian.


    And an injured one at that due to the beating that CC takes game in game out to get his yards.
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Re: GURLEY Is a FRAUD
Thu Dec 13, 2018 9:51 am
  • Zimmer called Carson one of if not the best running back in the league. Carson is just missing one final step in his run game and that’s the long runs, but you can’t find a more willing bruiser than that man.

    Regarding Gurley - he’s a good back benefiting from a great offense cough*alexander*cough.
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Re: GURLEY Is a FRAUD
Fri Dec 14, 2018 11:14 am
  • Carson is a beast. So glad he’s a Hawk.

    No way Gurley or Elliot are frauds. They just happen to rely upon a different skill set/traits than a power back.

    Vision, burst, power, elusiveness, explosiveness are the tools of the trade. Broken tackles are just one metric. Total yards in conjunction with yards per carry is more meaningful.

    I would love to see Gurley in a Hawks uniform. Pete would keep him busy but then again, that’s why we got Penny.
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Re: GURLEY Is a FRAUD
Fri Dec 14, 2018 11:31 am
  • Yeah, Ram player or not, Gurley is a flat out beast. As is Zeke.
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Re: GURLEY Is a FRAUD
Fri Dec 14, 2018 1:32 pm
  • Rams = Outside stretch zone. Gurley doesn't do a lot between the tackles unless i'm mistaken. So he's usually got a OLB or CB or S to beat and then runs OB. Repeat.
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Re: GURLEY Is a FRAUD
Fri Dec 14, 2018 3:16 pm
  • Tinymac2 wrote:Carson is a beast. So glad he’s a Hawk.

    No way Gurley or Elliot are frauds. They just happen to rely upon a different skill set/traits than a power back.

    Vision, burst, power, elusiveness, explosiveness are the tools of the trade. Broken tackles are just one metric. Total yards in conjunction with yards per carry is more meaningful.

    I would love to see Gurley in a Hawks uniform. Pete would keep him busy but then again, that’s why we got Penny.


    Zeke Elliot is not a fraud. He is a beast actually. Gurley is a fraud though because Gurley needs to be in a great system, with a great O-Line to be effective, FRAUD.
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Re: GURLEY Is a FRAUD
Fri Dec 14, 2018 4:47 pm
  • Fade wrote:
    Tinymac2 wrote:Carson is a beast. So glad he’s a Hawk.

    No way Gurley or Elliot are frauds. They just happen to rely upon a different skill set/traits than a power back.

    Vision, burst, power, elusiveness, explosiveness are the tools of the trade. Broken tackles are just one metric. Total yards in conjunction with yards per carry is more meaningful.

    I would love to see Gurley in a Hawks uniform. Pete would keep him busy but then again, that’s why we got Penny.


    Zeke Elliot is not a fraud. He is a beast actually. Gurley is a fraud though because Gurley needs to be in a great system, with a great O-Line to be effective, FRAUD.


    Gurley would be the system on most teams and the threat of Gurley is the oil in McVay's offensive machine.

    I hope your right though, he's the guy I worry about when we play the Rams O. Great back, great receiver.. he'd look good with a Hawks jersey on.
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Re: GURLEY Is a FRAUD
Fri Dec 14, 2018 4:48 pm
  • Fade wrote:
    knownone wrote:
    Fade wrote:
    WmHBonney wrote:Gurley is a fraud?
    So you wouldn't do a Carson for Gurley trade, even up?

    Gurley is one of the top RBs in the NFL. I don't care what team you put him on.


    I would not. Carson has to break an extreme amount of tackles to have the success he is having.

    Gurley in Seattle's scheme would be pedestrian.

    Well, at least we know you don't have an eye for talent.


    PFF apparently doesn't either as they agree with me.



    "With high-profile running backs like Todd Gurley and Ezekiel Elliott owning the box score in the NFC, Seattle Seahawks’ Chris Carson has unjustly missed the spotlight in 2018. However, following his mightily impressive 2018 campaign, it’s Carson – not the aforementioned backs – who gets our Pro Bowl vote." -PFF

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    Where do they call Todd Gurley a fraud and talk about how he'd be pedestrian in Seattle's offense? Oh, they don't? So PFF doesn't agree with you...

    I don't understand this strawman, no one is saying Chris Carson isn't a great running back. We are saying Todd Gurley isn't a fraud and he'd still be good in Seattle's offense.

    Here's some food for thought, Seattle's best rushing game of the season came without Carson. The Seahawks ran for more yards that day than the Rams second-leading rusher has all season. The Rams second-leading rusher would be 5th in total rushing yards on Seattle.

    Todd Gurley would be the Seahawks second best receiver. He as many TDs as Carson, Moore, and Lockett combined and he has 5 fewer fumbles than those 3 despite touching the ball 40 more times. He also has more yards than Lockett and Carson combined. In the last two years, the Rams are undefeated when Gurley touches the ball over 17 times. Even more impressive, he accounts for 50% of the #3 offense in the league.

    Before you claim it's his "offensive line" consider that he ran for 1100+ Yards, 10 TDs, on 4.9 YPC in 2015 behind the 28th overall and 27th best run blocking line according to PFF. He was 6th in broken tackle percentage that year at 25.2 which puts him right in the Carson range.
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