Robert Kraft arrest warrant issued for solicitation

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He patronized a business that was not only illegal, but alleged to have gotten these women through international sex trafficking servitude.

That's way worse than Sterling (the Clippers' former owner) making racist remarks to his GF, and Kraft should be dealt with the same way.
 

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toffee":3cek0twh said:
Thoughts:

Kraft with his $$ and being single, why didn't he call an escort or two, then enjoy at the comfort of his house or hotel?
Kraft drove himself to a low end sleazy massage parlor, more than once, and get caught on cctv .... asking for happy ending.
Kraft is a single man with needs, but there are multiple of ways that he could satisfy those needs, a cheap guy or just enjoy being served in a parlor environment?
He could do like Jerry Jones and pay college girls for a night on the town, so to speak.

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SantaClaraHawk":3ulftck7 said:
He patronized a business that was not only illegal, but alleged to have gotten these women through international sex trafficking servitude.

That's way worse than Sterling (the Clippers' former owner) making racist remarks to his GF, and Kraft should be dealt with the same way.

Kraft may not know where these women at the massage parlor came from? However, as a $6.6 billion man, why did he go to a sleazy and unhygienic place to get his needs fulfilled?
 

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Seanhawk":3n3q12mw said:
Osprey":3n3q12mw said:
Marvin49":3n3q12mw said:
I can only hope that people like Kraft who have gotten caught up in this didn't know that the women were being held.
You'd have to be pretty ignorant of how the world works to think an ESL masseuse in a strip mall hand job hut didn't get there via trafficking.

Morally I think it's equivalent to buying a $2K bicycle off Craigslist for $100 and saying 'how should I know it was stolen !?'

Now he's got a bicycle?!
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Marvin49":3lkuorkh said:
kidhawk":3lkuorkh said:
West TX Hawk":3lkuorkh said:
kidhawk":3lkuorkh said:
Do I care if some guy goes out and pays a willing adult participant to have sex with him? Not really. As long as that's all this is, I really don't care, but it is good for a few good chuckles at Patriots fans' expense.

It's a months long human trafficking investigation. You should care. More details: Occurring at "Orchids of Asia" day spa in Florida where Kraft was twice there last month and per the NY Post, some of the acts were caught on video.
https://ktxs.com/news/nation-world/robe ... -crackdown

https://www.google.com/amp/s/sports.yah ... 08297.html

https://www.google.com/amp/s/nypost.com ... ution/amp/

So piss on Kraft and piss on the Patriots.

I really am not going to go into the political nature of human trafficking, because that's just not allowed on these forums, but Robert Kraft is not accused of trafficking in girls or forcing anyone to do anything. People who are behind the operations are the real criminals here, so no, I still don't care if Kraft chose to pay someone to consent to sex. He got busted and will likely get a fine and so be it. He did the crime, but I won't care about that. That doesn't mean I don't care about the actual traffickers who should be arrested and given lengthy prison terms.

Agree 100%. I also read somewhere that Kraft isn't the biggest name to get caught up in this.

The real story here tho is the human trafficking. Prostitution IMO isn't a big deal to be honest, but when those women are held against their will and forced into prostitution, that's a whole other thing.

I can only hope that people like Kraft who have gotten caught up in this didn't know that the women were being held.

People like Kraft paying for these services are the driving force for these women being brought over and held agaisnt there will.
 

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I would constitute this as conduct detrimental to the NFL. If this were a player he would be looking at a suspension.

Owners need to be held in the highest of standards, since they pushed for this policy in the first place, giving good ol'Rodge the power to suspend players at whatever he deems fit even if the player is convicted of the crime or not.

Robert Kraft needs to be suspended from the NFL, and the Patriots need to be docked draft picks.

A 2nd & 3rd Rounder, and a 12 week suspension starting week 1 sounds about right.
 

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kidhawk":1k9hqiqw said:
Do I care if some guy goes out and pays a willing adult participant to have sex with him? Not really. As long as that's all this is, I really don't care, but it is good for a few good chuckles at Patriots fans' expense.

These women weren’t consenting participants.
 

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kobebryant":3fncyzov said:
kidhawk":3fncyzov said:
Do I care if some guy goes out and pays a willing adult participant to have sex with him? Not really. As long as that's all this is, I really don't care, but it is good for a few good chuckles at Patriots fans' expense.

These women weren’t consenting participants.

nailed it.

wife's very expensive, sugar daddy still too much money, good ole $6.6 billion Kraft went to the cheapest $90+$xx to get off his load. He either didn't know or didn't care if the providers were illegal, or they were victims of sex traffic.
 

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UK_Seahawk":swakfsm0 said:
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So piss on Kraft and piss on the Patriots.

I'm assuming they have to pay extra for this?

This could clear him! He wasn't trying to get on laid, he was trying to have Goodell killed. Wait, is that worse?
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Fade":3cyyzfr9 said:
I would constitute this as conduct detrimental to the NFL. If this were a player he would be looking at a suspension.

Owners need to be held in the highest of standards, since they pushed for this policy in the first place, giving good ol'Rodge the power to suspend players at whatever he deems fit even if the player is convicted of the crime or not.

Robert Kraft needs to be suspended from the NFL, and the Patriots need to be docked draft picks.

A 2nd & 3rd Rounder, and a 12 week suspension starting week 1 sounds about right.

Sounds too lenient to me, now, I don't want to come across as being unreasonably harsh or anything of the sort, so somebody needs to get a damned rope, and while yer at it, ya need to tar & feather Tom Brady. :irishdrinkers:
 

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Granted, owners have been held to a higher standard, than players, see Jim Irsay vs the multitude of players who have been arrested for DUI, but the NFL hasn't punished players for similar indiscretions.

Three players have been charged with solicitation, and one with pimping. Of course, all incidents were prior to the disciplinary changes after the Ray Rice fiasco, but none of the players were fined nor suspended.


07/17/01 Stacey Mack arrested for soliciting undercover cop. Not cut, no games missed.
05/10/07 Richard Seigler arrested for pimping (charges later dropped). Cut from team. .
04/17/13 Quentin Groves arrested in solicitation sting. Not cut, played 5 of 9 games before going on IR.
03/21/14 Adewale Ojomo arrested for soliciting an undercover cop. Cut by the Titans.
 

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These women are hardly held against their will. They get paid well (very well) for their services and go back to their home countries with loads of cash.
 

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Mindsink":j5z2brnd said:
These women are hardly held against their will. They get paid well (very well) for their services and go back to their home countries with loads of cash.

That is a super twisted way to look at it.

But I feel like there's little point in putting much effort into this post because I'm guessing it'll just get deleted, so I'll just leave this here;

https://polarisproject.org/blog/2018/06 ... nse-choice
 

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Mindsink":25wprp00 said:
These women are hardly held against their will. They get paid well (very well) for their services and go back to their home countries with loads of cash.

The word "trafficking" doesn't just mean chained to a wall and held against their will. Many of these women are promised far different lives for illegal transportation into the US, then ushered into these prostitution establishments to work.......even threatened, and their families threatened if they want to leave.

So let's not make light of what's going on. Maybe some of these women are there of their own free will, but many are not, and have no other options.

https://www.tcpalm.com/story/news/crime ... 993803002/
 

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Mindsink wrote:
These women are hardly held against their will. They get paid well (very well) for their services and go back to their home countries with loads of cash.

Or someone solicits they can bring you to America and your family you just have to work off the fee's.

They don't tell them housing, medical, food, their make up and clothes all have to be paid for as well plus the fee initially. They can never get out from the debt, then come drugs so they can work more hours and being sold to others to help them with their business and pretty soon they are broke down. If they raise a fuss they threaten the family situation with kicking them out and no food etc. That would be a form of trafficking and slavery.


You must run your Massage Parlor different then the others I take it.
 

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Months of surveillance, no trafficking charges filed. One of the sheriffs has now stated that the workers “could have walked out.” The news media is still running with the story that Lanyun Ma was charged with trafficking, but a review of her court record shows that no such charges have been filed against her, just prostitution related charges. Something smells funny here.

When I practiced in Seattle, I spent a fair amount of time working with both consensual and coerced sex workers. Without going into too much detail, these are women who could not, or did not want to, leave sex work entirely. I helped some of the coerced connect with resources to escape the coercion, and transition to safer, consensual sex work. Under the new definitions of sex trafficking, I would be considered a sex trafficker for helping these workers escape abusive situations. Remember that when you hear law enforcement, district attorneys, and rescue orgs talking about trafficking and quoting statistics. Many of these resources have since been shut down in the name of “rescuing the victims.”

Z-Man is absolutely right, this isn’t a black and white issue. Always look for the secondary gain. There is a ton of secondary gain in promoting the trafficking narrative. There is money and prestige for the "rescue" orgs and their directors, notoriety and re-elections for sheriffs and DAs, and eye catching headlines for the reporters. It’s an almost zero risk chance at gain.

Zero risk because nobody cares if it’s a lie. Even if it ultimately is proven that there was zero trafficking, most of you will have moved on to other things, and will only remember the initial, blaring headlines of trafficking. The sheriffs will use it in their re-election campaigns. The orgs will use it in their fundraising. The workers will be forgotten, and will move on to jobs in other locales. Meanwhile, real victim’s stories are buried under the avalanche of false statistics, half-truths, and outright lies.

Don’t get me wrong, nothing is worse than the real trafficker, or abusive pimp. I’m proud to have helped some workers escape these kind of situations. Be careful, however, in buying into the prevailing narrative that the rescue players are all white knights, with pure intentions. Always look at the secondary gain.
 

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bigskydoc":1w7j7hoe said:
Months of surveillance, no trafficking charges filed. One of the sheriffs has now stated that the workers “could have walked out.” The news media is still running with the story that Lanyun Ma was charged with trafficking, but a review of her court record shows that no such charges have been filed against her, just prostitution related charges. Something smells funny here.

When I practiced in Seattle, I spent a fair amount of time working with both consensual and coerced sex workers. Without going into too much detail, these are women who could not, or did not want to, leave sex work entirely. I helped some of the coerced connect with resources to escape the coercion, and transition to safer, consensual sex work. Under the new definitions of sex trafficking, I would be considered a sex trafficker for helping these workers escape abusive situations. Remember that when you hear law enforcement, district attorneys, and rescue orgs talking about trafficking and quoting statistics. Many of these resources have since been shut down in the name of “rescuing the victims.”

Z-Man is absolutely right, this isn’t a black and white issue. Always look for the secondary gain. There is a ton of secondary gain in promoting the trafficking narrative. There is money and prestige for the "rescue" orgs and their directors, notoriety and re-elections for sheriffs and DAs, and eye catching headlines for the reporters. It’s an almost zero risk chance at gain.

Zero risk because nobody cares if it’s a lie. Even if it ultimately is proven that there was zero trafficking, most of you will have moved on to other things, and will only remember the initial, blaring headlines of trafficking. The sheriffs will use it in their re-election campaigns. The orgs will use it in their fundraising. The workers will be forgotten, and will move on to jobs in other locales. Meanwhile, real victim’s stories are buried under the avalanche of false statistics, half-truths, and outright lies.

Don’t get me wrong, nothing is worse than the real trafficker, or abusive pimp. I’m proud to have helped some workers escape these kind of situations. Be careful, however, in buying into the prevailing narrative that the rescue players are all white knights, with pure intentions. Always look at the secondary gain.

This sting picked up a former CEO of Citibank and a notable hedge fund guy (Childs) in addition to Kraft. These guys can throw a lot of money into making sure cops/DA look bad, so where's the benefit to the latter?
 

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SantaClaraHawk":1telvhx6 said:
This sting picked up a former CEO of Citibank and a notable hedge fund guy (Childs) in addition to Kraft. These guys can throw a lot of money into making sure cops/DA look bad, so where's the benefit to the latter?

Over $3 million in cash and bank assets were seized. That will buy some pretty nifty toys for the police departments. The sting generated enough national publicity to pretty much guarantee the re-election of anyone who can be tied to the case.

All without the risk of injury that comes with going after actual violent criminals.

History has proven that the men with the means to make the cops/DA look bad won’t bother. They just want to see it swept under the rug as quietly as possible.

Anyone with the means to truly humiliate the cops/DA will likely see the charges reduced or will be offered some sort of deal that includes a token sentence. Stay quiet, stay out of trouble, pay a, for you, small fine, and attend a class.

Given the details emerging, even the working class stiffs, that were busted, are probably going to get the same kind of deal.

Unless one of the rich guys really wants to teach the cops/DA a lesson, there won’t be any real trials. Too much risk to all involved parties, law enforcement and DA, as well as the accused.
 
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