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NFL 2020 Futility Thread
Tue Jul 28, 2020 5:47 pm
  • Key Opt Outs as of Today:
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    - Michael Pierce (DT, Vikings)
    - Star Lotuleli (DT, Bills)
    - Eddie Goldman (DT, Bears)
    - Patrick Chung (S, Patriots)
    - Dont'a Hightower (LB, Patriots)

    Patriots seem to have the high count right now with six signed players opting out. There are about 23 signed players total right now that are on the list.
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Re: NFL 2020 Futility Thread
Tue Jul 28, 2020 5:50 pm
  • Supposedly the Patriots now have $24 million in cap space. Clowney might be drooling over these opt-outs.
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Re: NFL 2020 Futility Thread
Tue Jul 28, 2020 7:09 pm
  • It's not just the opt-outs.

    It's what's already happened to the Marlins (17 positives) which has now kept the Phillies from playing and disrupted the Nats and Orioles.

    MLB like NFL has almost unlimitless money compared to the rest of us to test and trace and they lasted what, 72 hours before this problem?

    Add to that that baseball is really socially distant compared to football. For it to even within the same realm it'd have to be flag and maybe even not then.

    Over at ESPN, Kettleman is saying there's a zero percent chance they finish the season.
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Re: NFL 2020 Futility Thread
Tue Jul 28, 2020 8:25 pm
  • SantaClaraHawk wrote:It's not just the opt-outs.

    It's what's already happened to the Marlins (17 positives) which has now kept the Phillies from playing and disrupted the Nats and Orioles.

    MLB like NFL has almost unlimitless money compared to the rest of us to test and trace and they lasted what, 72 hours before this problem?

    Add to that that baseball is really socially distant compared to football. For it to even within the same realm it'd have to be flag and maybe even not then.

    Over at ESPN, Kettleman is saying there's a zero percent chance they finish the season.


    They main spread isnt during the games...come on.. how many times does this need to be said before you acknowledge

    MLB needed to take 3-4 weeks to ramp up, with testing, to get through the outbreaks.

    They didn't. They are dealing with problems european so er dealt with. One did it in training camp, the other in season.
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Re: NFL 2020 Futility Thread
Tue Jul 28, 2020 8:43 pm
  • Uncle Si wrote:
    SantaClaraHawk wrote:It's not just the opt-outs.

    It's what's already happened to the Marlins (17 positives) which has now kept the Phillies from playing and disrupted the Nats and Orioles.

    MLB like NFL has almost unlimitless money compared to the rest of us to test and trace and they lasted what, 72 hours before this problem?

    Add to that that baseball is really socially distant compared to football. For it to even within the same realm it'd have to be flag and maybe even not then.

    Over at ESPN, Kettleman is saying there's a zero percent chance they finish the season.


    They main spread isnt during the games...come on.. how many times does this need to be said before you acknowledge

    MLB needed to take 3-4 weeks to ramp up, with testing, to get through the outbreaks.

    They didn't. They are dealing with problems european so er dealt with. One did it in training camp, the other in season.


    We're not Europe or Korea. Those places got the virus down first in the community then started playing games.

    For MLB there might be less spread to the other team, maybe. You can't make that much of an argument with football being that it's close contact.

    Rams tackle Andrew Whitworth wasn't partying with dozens of people. One of his family got it from one friend, gave it to Whitworth's whole immediate family including him and soon the ILs were infected possibly by Whitworth's immediate fam.

    The Vikings head of infection control Sugarman had Peter King tour his facility and King said he would feel comfy eating off it. Sugarman tested positive and he's the one in charge of the club rules around this.

    For NFL to truly eradicate this from happening, they'd have to test 2,500 people daily as if each one were the president. The labs are already strained from the public.

    The covid-19 reserve is a nice idea but as the Marlins have shown, you can have two-three positives on your team and still have 17 a day or two later, but the NFL like the MLB are not even considering holding a team back for a couple positives.
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Re: NFL 2020 Futility Thread
Tue Jul 28, 2020 8:53 pm
  • It doesn't matter where we are.. the testing response for sports is different than general public. They are not comparable.

    Testing 2500 people every two days is what they will do..

    MLBs mistake is that they didn't fully test squads and vet out positives until the season started.

    And no, the 17 marlins didn't contract the virus in play. And nfl players should not be taking the field with any player who has not had a negative test returned. So the games won't matter.

    You arrive 2 days before the game. You test. Posituve you quarantine. Negative you play.

    The two people you mentioned have not spread the virus to others. Thats the point of rapid testing and quarantine protocol. Sugarman didn't get it at Vikrs camp. His lab could've looked like a sterile space center. Doesn't matter.

    Again, not sure how the rest of the world's sports have this down but we can't expect the same of ours, or actively propagate the impossibility of this while others do it rather simply.
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Re: NFL 2020 Futility Thread
Tue Jul 28, 2020 9:15 pm
  • Uncle Si wrote:It doesn't matter where we are.. the testing response for sports is different than general public. They are not comparable.

    Testing 2500 people every two days is what they will do..

    MLBs mistake is that they didn't fully test squads and vet out positives until the season started.

    And no, the 17 marlins didn't contract the virus in play. And nfl players should not be taking the field with any player who has not had a negative test returned. So the games won't matter.

    You arrive 2 days before the game. You test. Posituve you quarantine. Negative you play.

    The two people you mentioned have not spread the virus to others. Thats the point of rapid testing and quarantine protocol. Sugarman didn't get it at Vikrs camp. His lab could've looked like a sterile space center. Doesn't matter.

    Again, not sure how the rest of the world's sports have this down but we can't expect the same of ours, or actively propagate the impossibility of this while others do it rather simply.


    The Marlins didn't let the infected players play. According to the testing regimen the players who played were pos as of Friday. They got pulled and everyone who was neg played Sunday and that's when got several more positives followed by four more the next day because it doesn't show up immediately.
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Re: NFL 2020 Futility Thread
Wed Jul 29, 2020 7:30 am
  • Thats why you test every other day and not allow people into the facility without a neg result. The players almost certainly were infected within the facility, not on the field.

    The Marlins case is probably the most severe possible, but the reality is they all had it days before their games started. This is the failure of the mlb, where other leagues have succeeded
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Re: NFL 2020 Futility Thread
Wed Jul 29, 2020 9:10 am
  • https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/mma/uf ... r-BB17jI6k

    This is from UFC's Dana White, who thinks bubbles are the only way to do this. MMA, MLS and NBA are in bubbles. That no doubt helps the situation by minimizing the risk someone brought it in from someone they don't work with.
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Re: NFL 2020 Futility Thread
Wed Jul 29, 2020 9:17 am
  • SantaClaraHawk wrote:https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/mma/ufc-president-dana-white-on-sports-in-2020-this-isnt-going-to-work-outside-of-a-bubble/ar-BB17jI6k

    This is from UFC's Dana White, who thinks bubbles are the only way to do this. MMA, MLS and NBA are in bubbles. That no doubt helps the situation by minimizing the risk someone brought it in from someone they don't work with.


    And yet..

    Well whatever.
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Re: NFL 2020 Futility Thread
Wed Jul 29, 2020 11:39 am
  • Dana White's point is that team sports/close contact have not been proven to work without the bubble. Nascar and golf are not exactly team or close contact in the way that baseball let alone football is.

    NFL will try, like MLB did, but at some point the virus will get in right before a game and as the Marlins showed, telling just those infected players to stay away wasn't sufficient. The Phillies lost their next matchup and are on delay, and the Marlins are still in Philly themselves.

    So if/when that scenario breaks out in NFL, you wouldn't expect less. In fact with the direct contact involved in even playing the game, you'd probably expect more players to be held back if not the whole team.
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Re: NFL 2020 Futility Thread
Wed Jul 29, 2020 11:49 am
  • SantaClaraHawk wrote:Dana White's point is that team sports/close contact have not been proven to work without the bubble. Nascar and golf are not exactly team or close contact in the way that baseball let alone football is.

    NFL will try, like MLB did, but at some point the virus will get in right before a game and as the Marlins showed, telling just those infected players to stay away wasn't sufficient. The Phillies lost their next matchup and are on delay, and the Marlins are still in Philly themselves.

    So if/when that scenario breaks out in NFL, you wouldn't expect less. In fact with the direct contact involved in even playing the game, you'd probably expect more players to be held back if not the whole team.


    But they have worked. Dana White, or you, or both, are not paying attention.

    And playing the game is not where transmisdion occurs. You keep saying this, and its innaccurate.

    5 professional soccer leagues throughout Europe have already shown the way.
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Re: NFL 2020 Futility Thread
Wed Jul 29, 2020 5:48 pm
  • NFL has tons of money. Ship the entire league to New Zealand where they go through a 14-day quarantine, then can freely travel and play around the country. We have sports fields - some of the best natural turf fields in the world. We can have live people in the stands.
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Re: NFL 2020 Futility Thread
Wed Jul 29, 2020 5:50 pm
  • But seriously, the NFL could adopt full-face-shield helmets and it would protect them just fine during the games. If your eyes, nose, and mouth are protected, there's no entry point for the virus.
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Re: NFL 2020 Futility Thread
Wed Jul 29, 2020 7:02 pm
  • Put ‘em in a bubble or the season is not happening.


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Re: NFL 2020 Futility Thread
Wed Jul 29, 2020 7:40 pm
  • James in PA wrote:Put ‘em in a bubble or the season is not happening.


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    You're not putting someone in a "bubble" for 5 months.
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Re: NFL 2020 Futility Thread
Wed Jul 29, 2020 8:13 pm
  • Uncle Si wrote:
    James in PA wrote:Put ‘em in a bubble or the season is not happening.


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    You're not putting someone in a "bubble" for 5 months.


    MLS went to bubble mode and in a bubble you won't have a Marlins situation.

    MLB has way more money to test but outside the bubble mode it took 72 hours for one of their teams to be rendered temporarily nonoperational, and they got another positive today.

    NFL won't be able to preclude a Whitworth situation where family gives it to the player, player shows up neg on Friday or Saturday, gets cleared to play and then come Monday, they're positive and so are two others from that team. Their opponents were just in a scrum pile with them so NOW what do you do?
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Re: NFL 2020 Futility Thread
Wed Jul 29, 2020 8:36 pm
  • SantaClaraHawk wrote:
    Uncle Si wrote:
    James in PA wrote:Put ‘em in a bubble or the season is not happening.


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    You're not putting someone in a "bubble" for 5 months.


    MLS went to bubble mode and in a bubble you won't have a Marlins situation.

    MLB has way more money to test but outside the bubble mode it took 72 hours for one of their teams to be rendered temporarily nonoperational, and they got another positive today.

    NFL won't be able to preclude a Whitworth situation where family gives it to the player, player shows up neg on Friday or Saturday, gets cleared to play and then come Monday, they're positive and so are two others from that team. Their opponents were just in a scrum pile with them so NOW what do you do?


    At least you are consistent.

    These leagues in bubble mode are finishing month long tournaments... not a 5 month league. You can figure out the rest by researching how soccer has done it in europe and stop with pointless what is like Whitaorth if you want to have the conversation.

    I'm going to ignore the nonsense about getting it while playing, as you ignore my previous responses to it.
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Re: NFL 2020 Futility Thread
Wed Jul 29, 2020 8:43 pm
  • Uncle Si wrote:
    SantaClaraHawk wrote:
    Uncle Si wrote:
    James in PA wrote:Put ‘em in a bubble or the season is not happening.


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    You're not putting someone in a "bubble" for 5 months.


    MLS went to bubble mode and in a bubble you won't have a Marlins situation.

    MLB has way more money to test but outside the bubble mode it took 72 hours for one of their teams to be rendered temporarily nonoperational, and they got another positive today.

    NFL won't be able to preclude a Whitworth situation where family gives it to the player, player shows up neg on Friday or Saturday, gets cleared to play and then come Monday, they're positive and so are two others from that team. Their opponents were just in a scrum pile with them so NOW what do you do?


    At least you are consistent.

    These leagues in bubble mode are finishing month long tournaments... not a 5 month league. You can figure out the rest by researching how soccer has done it in europe and stop with pointless what is like Whitaorth if you want to have the conversation.

    I'm going to ignore the nonsense about getting it while playing, as you ignore my previous responses to it.


    Is bit different in a full contact sport, you can't play 10 games a month, also 60 players, 20 coaches and trainers, then you have exits to Hospitals for xrays and other needs typically multiples for every game for just in case stuff.
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Covid Season
Thu Jul 30, 2020 7:55 am
  • Now that we've seen the Marlins have an outbreak, it seems inevitable that they will happen. It sounds like, perhaps, some of the players weren't as careful as expected in the "bubble." How it happened isn't really relevant because I think we can predict that young, rich men will not abide by the rules 100% of the time.

    So(assuming there is a season at all), when an NFL team has an outbreak, how will that play out?

    -I could see scenarios where a team fields a rookie/back-up team to get them experience but it kind of turns into something that looks like a pre-season game.

    -I could see something where opposing teams agree to play the game during a later bye week or something too.

    -I could also see scenarios where the NFL changes some rules regarding IR, Practice Squad and 52 player limit. If that occurs mid-season, then the teams effected early in the season would have reason to be upset. ie:When Tom Brady gets sick, a rule changes but not for RW....

    -If there are a lot of players (I think the Marlins have 17 or 18, right?) I could see a scenario where a team couldn't even field a team or would have to play with their 52/3 person roster not filled and needing to juggle players and positions. You could sign a few FA and use your Practice Squad but there is a limit as to how many players you can bring in for a 1-3 week period. ... and teams that are close to the cap would have to bring them in under the cap, right? Players that sit out sick still apply to cap limits I think.

    I guess I'm curious about the different predicaments that the NFL may predictably find itself in this season and everyone's expectations. In some respects, that may give a creative and "player-centric" front office some advantages. It could also result in teams that have players more willing and disciplined to follow hygenic standards realize an advantage. Or possibly, teams that have a plan in place to both make it easy for players to stay safe/healthy and react when infections occur, will end up with a better team on a weekly average.
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Re: NFL 2020 Futility Thread
Thu Jul 30, 2020 8:42 am
  • chris98251 wrote:
    Uncle Si wrote:
    SantaClaraHawk wrote:
    Uncle Si wrote:
    You're not putting someone in a "bubble" for 5 months.


    MLS went to bubble mode and in a bubble you won't have a Marlins situation.

    MLB has way more money to test but outside the bubble mode it took 72 hours for one of their teams to be rendered temporarily nonoperational, and they got another positive today.

    NFL won't be able to preclude a Whitworth situation where family gives it to the player, player shows up neg on Friday or Saturday, gets cleared to play and then come Monday, they're positive and so are two others from that team. Their opponents were just in a scrum pile with them so NOW what do you do?


    At least you are consistent.

    These leagues in bubble mode are finishing month long tournaments... not a 5 month league. You can figure out the rest by researching how soccer has done it in europe and stop with pointless what is like Whitaorth if you want to have the conversation.

    I'm going to ignore the nonsense about getting it while playing, as you ignore my previous responses to it.


    Is bit different in a full contact sport, you can't play 10 games a month, also 60 players, 20 coaches and trainers, then you have exits to Hospitals for xrays and other needs typically multiples for every game for just in case stuff.


    Certainly obstacles... they may need to minimize staff sizes, and will definitely set up a system of return and testing.

    Nothing will be perfect. People will get covid. But, unless the people involved are completely unreliable, the potentials can be fairly mitigated.

    The worst case scenarios always seem to be the topic of choice for some.
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Re: NFL 2020 Futility Thread
Thu Jul 30, 2020 9:10 am
  • Uncle Si wrote:
    SantaClaraHawk wrote:
    Uncle Si wrote:
    James in PA wrote:Put ‘em in a bubble or the season is not happening.


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    You're not putting someone in a "bubble" for 5 months.


    MLS went to bubble mode and in a bubble you won't have a Marlins situation.

    MLB has way more money to test but outside the bubble mode it took 72 hours for one of their teams to be rendered temporarily nonoperational, and they got another positive today.

    NFL won't be able to preclude a Whitworth situation where family gives it to the player, player shows up neg on Friday or Saturday, gets cleared to play and then come Monday, they're positive and so are two others from that team. Their opponents were just in a scrum pile with them so NOW what do you do?


    At least you are consistent.

    These leagues in bubble mode are finishing month long tournaments... not a 5 month league. You can figure out the rest by researching how soccer has done it in europe and stop with pointless what is like Whitaorth if you want to have the conversation.

    I'm going to ignore the nonsense about getting it while playing, as you ignore my previous responses to it.


    Correct me if I'm wrong, but your hypothesis is that it's more likely that players will get it at the facility or have it confined there, and that testing will stop it from getting on the field, and if it does there is negligible risk of it spreading to other players, correct?

    Because that's what my posts were addressing.

    Yes more testing unmasks more positives but all testing is going to miss cases at the early stage who only test positive right after the game. It's already happened in a less-contact sport and those teams are quarantined.
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Re: NFL 2020 Futility Thread
Thu Jul 30, 2020 10:55 am
  • SantaClaraHawk wrote:
    Uncle Si wrote:
    SantaClaraHawk wrote:
    Uncle Si wrote:
    You're not putting someone in a "bubble" for 5 months.


    MLS went to bubble mode and in a bubble you won't have a Marlins situation.

    MLB has way more money to test but outside the bubble mode it took 72 hours for one of their teams to be rendered temporarily nonoperational, and they got another positive today.

    NFL won't be able to preclude a Whitworth situation where family gives it to the player, player shows up neg on Friday or Saturday, gets cleared to play and then come Monday, they're positive and so are two others from that team. Their opponents were just in a scrum pile with them so NOW what do you do?


    At least you are consistent.

    These leagues in bubble mode are finishing month long tournaments... not a 5 month league. You can figure out the rest by researching how soccer has done it in europe and stop with pointless what is like Whitaorth if you want to have the conversation.

    I'm going to ignore the nonsense about getting it while playing, as you ignore my previous responses to it.


    Correct me if I'm wrong, but your hypothesis is that it's more likely that players will get it at the facility or have it confined there, and that testing will stop it from getting on the field, and if it does there is negligible risk of it spreading to other players, correct?

    Because that's what my posts were addressing.

    Yes more testing unmasks more positives but all testing is going to miss cases at the early stage who only test positive right after the game. It's already happened in a less-contact sport and those teams are quarantined.


    Thats not a hypothesis. That is the proven result. Your posts aren't addressing the fallibilities of baseballs fractured system,, just populating the results to football.

    "Contact" sport has nothing to do with it.

    If you're actually interested in this, you will go out and research how soccer leagues have done it and how they made it successful.
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Re: NFL 2020 Futility Thread
Thu Jul 30, 2020 4:54 pm
  • Players will get it. You two can argue all you want about when or how, but that's not really relevant. They'll get it in the facility from someone that has it and doesn't know. They'll get it the night after a big win and someone goes out to a bar. They'll get it from friends and family. They'll get it in game too. ... but that doesn't matter. It's only relevant that the precautions are beneficial, but they're not going to prevent outbreaks.

    There's no way that MLB is a worse case scenario. It's just normal. The second day out a team is basically shut down and now a second. That's not worst case, that's just what you'd expect when you tell 22 year old millionaires that they have new, very restrictive, rules but no enforcement. Someone's going to break the rules.

    So if you're uncomfortable drawing parallels between leagues, make a brand new scenario where the players interact with a lot more people because there is no bubble. It doesn't take a computer model to predict a lot of players are going to get Covid. The real question is: Then what?


    Is the league comfortable with games where one team has 10 starters out and the other team doesn't?
    Will some teams have better control on the players' behavior and therefore have a competitive advantage? (Is this why the Patriots have more opting out?)
    Will the NFL cancel a game if one team has an outbreak knowing that tests are less accurate before symptoms show?
    Will players out sick with Covid count against the cap? ... and what happens if a team has to sign 15-25 players off the street and no cap room?
    If a player (or coach, or owner- Jerry) breaks distancing rules, will that count as "risky" or detrimental-to-the-team and have an impact on their contract?
    Will there be Coaches or trainers that opt out too and, since there's no coach's union, are they protected in any way or is it just quitting?
    How many owners will be on the sidelines during the 4th Q rubbing elbows with players.
    I'd assume no Coach handshake after the game...???
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Re: NFL 2020 Futility Thread
Thu Jul 30, 2020 5:11 pm
  • 5 European soccer leagues have been playing professionally since mid may to early June. Tens of thousands of players, hundreds of games.

    Less than 70 players and staff have tested positive in that time. Less than 10, across all leagues, since july.

    Noone has opted out.

    The English Premier league started mid may- condu ting over 24000 tests of its players and staff (about 3k people) with 18 positive stats. Marlins have surpassed that in one round.

    It can be done, with little infection.

    Amazing what people are willing to accept as normal.

    MLB IS a worst case scenario. They bumbled it.
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Re: NFL 2020 Futility Thread
Thu Jul 30, 2020 6:41 pm
  • Uncle Si wrote:5 European soccer leagues have been playing professionally since mid may to early June. Tens of thousands of players, hundreds of games.

    Less than 70 players and staff have tested positive in that time. Less than 10, across all leagues, since july.

    Noone has opted out.

    The English Premier league started mid may- condu ting over 24000 tests of its players and staff (about 3k people) with 18 positive stats. Marlins have surpassed that in one round.

    It can be done, with little infection.

    Amazing what people are willing to accept as normal.

    MLB IS a worst case scenario. They bumbled it.


    We are not Europe, for Christs Sakes we can't even get people to wear a mask right here, not covering the nose is not wearing a mask.

    Every player knows that camps are getting ready to start and they should be isolating and not running around, yet we hear new infections going on.

    Coleman today another example, if not the players then their posses and wife and girlfriends etc.

    Wagner made a good statement, for anything to work the players must be more disciplined then ever before, telling a
    bunch of young men they have to jump this high and when doesn't work well most times.
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Re: NFL 2020 Futility Thread
Thu Jul 30, 2020 7:01 pm
  • chris98251 wrote:
    Uncle Si wrote:5 European soccer leagues have been playing professionally since mid may to early June. Tens of thousands of players, hundreds of games.

    Less than 70 players and staff have tested positive in that time. Less than 10, across all leagues, since july.

    Noone has opted out.

    The English Premier league started mid may- condu ting over 24000 tests of its players and staff (about 3k people) with 18 positive stats. Marlins have surpassed that in one round.

    It can be done, with little infection.

    Amazing what people are willing to accept as normal.

    MLB IS a worst case scenario. They bumbled it.


    We are not Europe, for Christs Sakes we can't even get people to wear a mask right here, not covering the nose is not wearing a mask.

    Every player knows that camps are getting ready to start and they should be isolating and not running around, yet we hear new infections going on.

    Coleman today another example, if not the players then their posses and wife and girlfriends etc.

    Wagner made a good statement, for anything to work the players must be more disciplined then ever before, telling a
    bunch of young men they have to jump this high and when doesn't work well most times.


    Because we are not europe doesnt make their plan a failure here.

    Honestly...why do we continue to expect so little of these guys and put a plan in place that permits their lack of discipline.

    Its absurd. Plenty of Americans playing soccer in europe.
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Re: NFL 2020 Futility Thread
Thu Jul 30, 2020 9:54 pm
  • I hope you're right. I hope the NFL and players are more responsible than the rest of the country. I hope one or two people don't fail to take precautions and infect dozens others. I hope cases don't surge and that the example inspires the rest of the country. I'm just not going to bet on it. My prediction is that there should be considerable energy invested in preparing for the outbreaks and not only in defining how to avoid them.
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Re: NFL 2020 Futility Thread
Fri Jul 31, 2020 8:28 am
  • chrispy wrote:I hope you're right. I hope the NFL and players are more responsible than the rest of the country. I hope one or two people don't fail to take precautions and infect dozens others. I hope cases don't surge and that the example inspires the rest of the country. I'm just not going to bet on it. My prediction is that there should be considerable energy invested in preparing for the outbreaks and not only in defining how to avoid them.


    I'm sure there is significant planning around the sporting integrity of a game if multiple people are missing because of covid.

    You'd think players would also recognize that importance.

    Its not like the Premier league hasn't had breaches in protocol.
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Re: NFL 2020 Futility Thread
Fri Jul 31, 2020 10:51 am
  • I was watching the Padres-Giants game yesterday. Giants down 5 until the 7th inning, they tied it up going into the bottom of the 9th, and the Padres annihilated them with six runs in the 10th.

    The Padres hugged each other, they high-fived each other. They did it knowing what went on with the Marlins and they did it on live TV.

    They did it knowing that they're coming from a relatively infected area in SoCal. They did it when they knew, or should have known, about the Andrew Whitworth situation.

    MLB let alone NFL rules do not preclude what happened to Whitworth, which was a family member having lunch with a friend who had become infected and then spreading it to him and his whole family.

    American soccer and basketball players are ensconced from the outside with limited if any outside involvement including family. Examples from these sports or any other doing things overseas where there's orders of magnitude less of community spread just shows that's a safer environment now overseas that does not apply here. MLB and NFL didn't bubble. MLB is now already affected but they finish their regular season 9/27.

    EDIT: Cardinals vs Brewers is now postponed because of positives among the Cards.https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/mlb/ca ... r-BB17pIXB

    Bringing it to now six teams whose games have been "postponed." They're talking about doing 7-inning doubleheaders now. It's not like NFL has those same options.

    EDIT2: MLB Commish is talking about shutting the whole thing down if numbers don't improve and if players aren't compliant with the steps in place. If I was being a millionaire I wouldn't high-five anyone but as everyone saw from the above even those priorities differ . https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/295 ... oronavirus
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Re: NFL 2020 Futility Thread
Fri Jul 31, 2020 7:24 pm
  • You really don't get it... and don't care.

    4 paragraphs and you spit the same information and still... still have not gone out and looked and how this is done successfully. Orders of magnitude?

    No.. process and policy.

    Do you even care... or do you enjoy the headline drama?
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Re: NFL 2020 Futility Thread
Sat Aug 01, 2020 2:17 pm
  • I keep answering you.

    One, we aren't in Europe.
    Two, MLS is in a bubble in America, like NFL and NBA.
    Three, the MLB non bubble approach, the closest to NFL, has already resulted in half a team testing positive.


    Seriously man look at the Lions. Golladay and now their QB Stafford are on the Covid-19 reserve going into camp. T

    That's like losing Lockett and Russ for now.

    This is going to happen to players through the season.
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Re: NFL 2020 Futility Thread
Sat Aug 01, 2020 7:37 pm
  • SantaClaraHawk wrote:I keep answering you.

    One, we aren't in Europe.
    Two, MLS is in a bubble in America, like NFL and NBA.
    Three, the MLB non bubble approach, the closest to NFL, has already resulted in half a team testing positive.


    Seriously man look at the Lions. Golladay and now their QB Stafford are on the Covid-19 reserve going into camp. T

    That's like losing Lockett and Russ for now.

    This is going to happen to players through the season.


    Not being in europe makes no difference. None.

    Being in a bubble makes no difference. None.

    Two people testing positive is part of the process. You think prople testing positive doesn't/didnt happen in european soccer? You run drama like you're a nightly news anchor and ignore basic policies and processes that work.. why don't you look at the difference between the mlb approach and soccer, instead ilof "its not europe" what does that even have to do with it.

    You could be calling for the NFL to adopt similar strategies to European soccer.. if you bothered to look at them. Instead.. " Stafford has covid... oh no"

    The FA cup final was played today in London. Two players and a head coach who tested positive during the restart program were active in the final.
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Re: NFL 2020 Futility Thread
Sun Aug 02, 2020 7:22 am
  • Uncle Si wrote:
    SantaClaraHawk wrote:I keep answering you.

    One, we aren't in Europe.
    Two, MLS is in a bubble in America, like NFL and NBA.
    Three, the MLB non bubble approach, the closest to NFL, has already resulted in half a team testing positive.


    Seriously man look at the Lions. Golladay and now their QB Stafford are on the Covid-19 reserve going into camp. T

    That's like losing Lockett and Russ for now.

    This is going to happen to players through the season.


    Not being in europe makes no difference. None.

    Being in a bubble makes no difference. None.

    Two people testing positive is part of the process. You think prople testing positive doesn't/didnt happen in european soccer? You run drama like you're a nightly news anchor and ignore basic policies and processes that work.. why don't you look at the difference between the mlb approach and soccer, instead ilof "its not europe" what does that even have to do with it.

    You could be calling for the NFL to adopt similar strategies to European soccer.. if you bothered to look at them. Instead.. " Stafford has covid... oh no"

    The FA cup final was played today in London. Two players and a head coach who tested positive during the restart program were active in the final.


    You clearly know more about European soccer. What exactly are they doing there that lowers their risk that is NOT tied to community spread? What exactly is there that can be applied to the American model given the huge amounts of community spread here, other than not having fans?

    In overseas sports that have reopened, has there been any team that has had 50 percent of its starters test positive on the road as what happened just now with the Marlins? I can't opine on how European soccer would have handled that--I don't know--but if that happened in SK the whole thing would have been immediately shut down.
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Re: NFL 2020 Futility Thread
Sun Aug 02, 2020 7:32 am
  • SantaClaraHawk wrote:
    Uncle Si wrote:
    SantaClaraHawk wrote:I keep answering you.

    One, we aren't in Europe.
    Two, MLS is in a bubble in America, like NFL and NBA.
    Three, the MLB non bubble approach, the closest to NFL, has already resulted in half a team testing positive.


    Seriously man look at the Lions. Golladay and now their QB Stafford are on the Covid-19 reserve going into camp. T

    That's like losing Lockett and Russ for now.

    This is going to happen to players through the season.


    Not being in europe makes no difference. None.

    Being in a bubble makes no difference. None.

    Two people testing positive is part of the process. You think prople testing positive doesn't/didnt happen in european soccer? You run drama like you're a nightly news anchor and ignore basic policies and processes that work.. why don't you look at the difference between the mlb approach and soccer, instead ilof "its not europe" what does that even have to do with it.

    You could be calling for the NFL to adopt similar strategies to European soccer.. if you bothered to look at them. Instead.. " Stafford has covid... oh no"

    The FA cup final was played today in London. Two players and a head coach who tested positive during the restart program were active in the final.


    You clearly know more about European soccer. What exactly are they doing there that lowers their risk that is NOT tied to community spread? What exactly is there that can be applied to the American model given the huge amounts of community spread here, other than not having fans?

    In overseas sports that have reopened, has there been any team that has had 50 percent of its starters test positive on the road as what happened just now with the Marlins? I can't opine on how European soccer would have handled that--I don't know--but if that happened in SK the whole thing would have been immediately shut down.


    Why don't you look it up... you post dozens of new topics on here direct from internet.

    It will make it an easier discussion when you do.

    But the first thing was a testing window (week long testing before the start of camp), then an extended training camp before games. This cleared out many of the positives contracted by players in general day to day life.

    You keep going back to the Marlins. Thats not the norm. In fact it's a worst case scenario.

    The NFL catching Staffird months before its season is the point of the process.
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Re: NFL 2020 Futility Thread
Sun Aug 02, 2020 8:06 am
  • Uncle Si wrote:
    SantaClaraHawk wrote:
    Uncle Si wrote:
    SantaClaraHawk wrote:I keep answering you.

    One, we aren't in Europe.
    Two, MLS is in a bubble in America, like NFL and NBA.
    Three, the MLB non bubble approach, the closest to NFL, has already resulted in half a team testing positive.


    Seriously man look at the Lions. Golladay and now their QB Stafford are on the Covid-19 reserve going into camp. T

    That's like losing Lockett and Russ for now.

    This is going to happen to players through the season.


    Not being in europe makes no difference. None.

    Being in a bubble makes no difference. None.

    Two people testing positive is part of the process. You think prople testing positive doesn't/didnt happen in european soccer? You run drama like you're a nightly news anchor and ignore basic policies and processes that work.. why don't you look at the difference between the mlb approach and soccer, instead ilof "its not europe" what does that even have to do with it.

    You could be calling for the NFL to adopt similar strategies to European soccer.. if you bothered to look at them. Instead.. " Stafford has covid... oh no"

    The FA cup final was played today in London. Two players and a head coach who tested positive during the restart program were active in the final.


    You clearly know more about European soccer. What exactly are they doing there that lowers their risk that is NOT tied to community spread? What exactly is there that can be applied to the American model given the huge amounts of community spread here, other than not having fans?

    In overseas sports that have reopened, has there been any team that has had 50 percent of its starters test positive on the road as what happened just now with the Marlins? I can't opine on how European soccer would have handled that--I don't know--but if that happened in SK the whole thing would have been immediately shut down.


    Why don't you look it up... you post dozens of new topics on here direct from internet.

    It will make it an easier discussion when you do.

    But the first thing was a testing window (week long testing before the start of camp), then an extended training camp before games. This cleared out many of the positives contracted by players in general day to day life.

    You keep going back to the Marlins. Thats not the norm. In fact it's a worst case scenario.

    The NFL catching Staffird months before its season is the point of the process.


    I have looked it up. But this isn't a sport that I follow at any measure whereas you do. You know more about it. W Therefore I'm asking you for your insight as to how that model would transfer here given our community spread versus theirs since you are clearly more familiar with that sport and its protocols overseas.

    One of the worst-case scenarios for football would have been the Lions putting Stafford and Golladay on the Covid-19 reserve during the active season. There's a competitive advantage toward getting it now, perversely, since they presumably won't be on this list later this season.
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Re: NFL 2020 Futility Thread
Sun Aug 02, 2020 10:53 am
  • The latest updates I can find are that 38 players have opted out (CJ Mosley being the highest profile in recent days) and that the opt-out deadline is expected to be Tuesday/Wednesday based on the date the new CBA was signed.
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Re: NFL 2020 Futility Thread
Sun Aug 02, 2020 11:19 am
  • SantaClaraHawk wrote:
    Uncle Si wrote:
    SantaClaraHawk wrote:
    Uncle Si wrote:
    Not being in europe makes no difference. None.

    Being in a bubble makes no difference. None.

    Two people testing positive is part of the process. You think prople testing positive doesn't/didnt happen in european soccer? You run drama like you're a nightly news anchor and ignore basic policies and processes that work.. why don't you look at the difference between the mlb approach and soccer, instead ilof "its not europe" what does that even have to do with it.

    You could be calling for the NFL to adopt similar strategies to European soccer.. if you bothered to look at them. Instead.. " Stafford has covid... oh no"

    The FA cup final was played today in London. Two players and a head coach who tested positive during the restart program were active in the final.


    You clearly know more about European soccer. What exactly are they doing there that lowers their risk that is NOT tied to community spread? What exactly is there that can be applied to the American model given the huge amounts of community spread here, other than not having fans?

    In overseas sports that have reopened, has there been any team that has had 50 percent of its starters test positive on the road as what happened just now with the Marlins? I can't opine on how European soccer would have handled that--I don't know--but if that happened in SK the whole thing would have been immediately shut down.


    Why don't you look it up... you post dozens of new topics on here direct from internet.

    It will make it an easier discussion when you do.

    But the first thing was a testing window (week long testing before the start of camp), then an extended training camp before games. This cleared out many of the positives contracted by players in general day to day life.

    You keep going back to the Marlins. Thats not the norm. In fact it's a worst case scenario.

    The NFL catching Staffird months before its season is the point of the process.


    I have looked it up. But this isn't a sport that I follow at any measure whereas you do. You know more about it. W Therefore I'm asking you for your insight as to how that model would transfer here given our community spread versus theirs since you are clearly more familiar with that sport and its protocols overseas.

    One of the worst-case scenarios for football would have been the Lions putting Stafford and Golladay on the Covid-19 reserve during the active season. There's a competitive advantage toward getting it now, perversely, since they presumably won't be on this list later this season.


    I dont think the sport makes a difference.

    They had a week of intensive testing before they even started training. Then a month of training with testing every other day. All this before ganes.

    Regimented, structured restrictions for players when not at the complex.

    Numbers indicate it worked, at least for the abbreviated restart.
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Re: NFL 2020 Futility Thread
Sun Aug 02, 2020 1:57 pm
  • About a month ago, the 49ers announced one of their WRs had tested positive and as a result they were quarantining not just that group but the TEs, RBs and the QBs.

    We don't know if that's the rule for the NFL going forward. Or if it should be a rule. I doubt the players even know.

    EDIT

    Oh man
    https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/1290015208442740736
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Re: NFL 2020 Futility Thread
Sun Aug 02, 2020 7:50 pm
  • covid reserve list doesn't mean they tested positive by the way... just under quarantine.

    MLB tried to do all this in two weeks. NFL is doing it 6 weeks before games.
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Re: NFL 2020 Futility Thread
Thu Aug 06, 2020 9:13 am
  • Or we could do something reasonable like understand that, no matter what we do, almost all susceptible players are going to eventually catch Covid in the community anyway, accept that the risk of any of the players experiencing any significant level of morbidity from Covid is basically nil, keep at risk coaches and family members "in a bubble," and proceed with the season.

    No fans. Allow players to opt out for the season if they are afraid of passing it to vulnerable family members (even if that is unlikely to significantly reduce that risk). Educate them on the real level of risk that they face should they contract the disease.

    The constant drumbeat of fear of this virus, and the fear of being "at fault" if someone else catches it, is paralyzing the world. I am seeing more negative health outcomes from the fear of the virus than from the virus itself, and that is not unique to my location.
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