Pats' fan embarrassed and ashamed of my team...

Pats fan1":3edqonna said:

From reading some early reports it looks very serious and it also looks like this could possibly not just be a Pats' issue, but a league issue where many teams around the NFL were doing this and many refs were involved. So the problem could be systemic and wide spread.

From early reports it looks like there's hints and possibilities the refs knew the game balls were under deflated and did nothing or something fishy was happening with the refs too and they could be in cahoots?

I've also read the officiating crew for that Pats/Colts game is being investigated.

Also, doesn't every NFL QB like their footballs set at a certain PSI to give them comfort? Aaron Rodgers likes his footballs over deflated as he said and he also said he doesn't like the refs messing with the footballs...

Rodgers: "Most QBs like flatter footballs."...
http://espn.go.com/nfl/playoffs/2014/st ... -footballs

So if the theory is that footballs that are under deflated give the QB and WR's better odds at throwing and catching balls then why does Rodgers excel at throwing with over flated hard ball and his WR's do a great job at catching them in freezing weather in Lambeau Field?

Some easy answers is: "Well it's the Pats" and because of spy gate and the perception of the Pats' organization they don't get the benefit of the doubt and it's presumption of guilt and they are held to higher standards so many people aren't going to accept this being wide spread and won't accept if other teams do it. Which is unfair and all teams should be held to the same standards equally across the board.

Now "IF" the NFL does find out this is wide spread around the NFL and many teams under deflate or over inflate footballs beyond the limits then that really doesn't give the Pats an unfair advantage, since it's like players around the league using HGH, it's wide spread. So how do you punish 20+ teams if 20+ teams are doing it too?

And there still isn't any evidence out yet showing how either the Pats or refs deflated footballs in that time frame of 2 hours and 15 minutes before the game. Some one, either the Pats organization or refs got to the footballs some where some time.

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scutterhawk":asrmsgbv said:

Pats fan1":asrmsgbv said:

From reading some early reports it looks very serious and it also looks like this could possibly not just be a Pats' issue, but a league issue where many teams around the NFL were doing this and many refs were involved. So the problem could be systemic and wide spread.

From early reports it looks like there's hints and possibilities the refs knew the game balls were under deflated and did nothing or something fishy was happening with the refs too and they could be in cahoots?

I've also read the officiating crew for that Pats/Colts game is being investigated.

Also, doesn't every NFL QB like their footballs set at a certain PSI to give them comfort? Aaron Rodgers likes his footballs over deflated as he said and he also said he doesn't like the refs messing with the footballs...

Rodgers: "Most QBs like flatter footballs."...
http://espn.go.com/nfl/playoffs/2014/st ... -footballs

So if the theory is that footballs that are under deflated give the QB and WR's better odds at throwing and catching balls then why does Rodgers excel at throwing with over flated hard ball and his WR's do a great job at catching them in freezing weather in Lambeau Field?

Some easy answers is: "Well it's the Pats" and because of spy gate and the perception of the Pats' organization they don't get the benefit of the doubt and it's presumption of guilt and they are held to higher standards so many people aren't going to accept this being wide spread and won't accept if other teams do it. Which is unfair and all teams should be held to the same standards equally across the board.

Now "IF" the NFL does find out this is wide spread around the NFL and many teams under deflate or over inflate footballs beyond the limits then that really doesn't give the Pats an unfair advantage, since it's like players around the league using HGH, it's wide spread. So how do you punish 20+ teams if 20+ teams are doing it too?

And there still isn't any evidence out yet showing how either the Pats or refs deflated footballs in that time frame of 2 hours and 15 minutes before the game. Some one, either the Pats organization or refs got to the footballs some where some time.

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Yeah, we need to buffer this story of "Cheating" by putting the blame on some Ref's, I mean, after all, these Ref's are suppose to check the pressure of ALL the balls, and put a mark on them as between 12 1/2 to 13 1/2 lbs., and OKAY to use.
Maybe the cheating Ref's need to post someone to safeguard against someone from either team deflating, or over inflating the balls.......It's cheating the rules, and it's the Patriots that did it, and there will be some penalties handed to them because of it.
AND it doesn't matter if some Quarterbacks like the ball a little more inflated or not, the rule states between 12 1/2, and 13 1/2 lbs. NO EXCEPTIONS.

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lsheldon":3iwobre7 said:

Up until I read this thread, I only worried about the media over reacting.

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Pats fan1":1n4ov2zh said:

scutterhawk":1n4ov2zh said:

Pats fan1":1n4ov2zh said:

From reading some early reports it looks very serious and it also looks like this could possibly not just be a Pats' issue, but a league issue where many teams around the NFL were doing this and many refs were involved. So the problem could be systemic and wide spread.

From early reports it looks like there's hints and possibilities the refs knew the game balls were under deflated and did nothing or something fishy was happening with the refs too and they could be in cahoots?

I've also read the officiating crew for that Pats/Colts game is being investigated.

Also, doesn't every NFL QB like their footballs set at a certain PSI to give them comfort? Aaron Rodgers likes his footballs over deflated as he said and he also said he doesn't like the refs messing with the footballs...

Rodgers: "Most QBs like flatter footballs."...
http://espn.go.com/nfl/playoffs/2014/st ... -footballs

So if the theory is that footballs that are under deflated give the QB and WR's better odds at throwing and catching balls then why does Rodgers excel at throwing with over flated hard ball and his WR's do a great job at catching them in freezing weather in Lambeau Field?

Some easy answers is: "Well it's the Pats" and because of spy gate and the perception of the Pats' organization they don't get the benefit of the doubt and it's presumption of guilt and they are held to higher standards so many people aren't going to accept this being wide spread and won't accept if other teams do it. Which is unfair and all teams should be held to the same standards equally across the board.

Now "IF" the NFL does find out this is wide spread around the NFL and many teams under deflate or over inflate footballs beyond the limits then that really doesn't give the Pats an unfair advantage, since it's like players around the league using HGH, it's wide spread. So how do you punish 20+ teams if 20+ teams are doing it too?

And there still isn't any evidence out yet showing how either the Pats or refs deflated footballs in that time frame of 2 hours and 15 minutes before the game. Some one, either the Pats organization or refs got to the footballs some where some time.

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Yeah, we need to buffer this story of "Cheating" by putting the blame on some Ref's, I mean, after all, these Ref's are suppose to check the pressure of ALL the balls, and put a mark on them as between 12 1/2 to 13 1/2 lbs., and OKAY to use.
Maybe the cheating Ref's need to post someone to safeguard against someone from either team deflating, or over inflating the balls.......It's cheating the rules, and it's the Patriots that did it, and there will be some penalties handed to them because of it.
AND it doesn't matter if some Quarterbacks like the ball a little more inflated or not, the rule states between 12 1/2, and 13 1/2 lbs. NO EXCEPTIONS.

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I agree with that. And "IF" other QB's around the league are using footballs under or over the legal limit they and the coaches need to be fined and suspended and lose draft picks.

You can't keep falling back on: "Well it's the Pats who got caught" disingenuous hypocrisy. If cheating is bad then NO ONE should cheat.

If you disagree with that then you fall into the category of the crowd who say: "It's not cheating unless you get caught."

And if Russell Wilson and the Seahawks are found to be using under or over inflated footballs past the legal limit I don't want to see or hear excuses from the Seattle media or their fans. But I bet it will be swept under the rug like when former Steelers' coach Bill Cowher said many teams video tape or when Jimmy Johnson said his team use to search the waste baskets of the opposing team's locker room, or Aaron Rodgers wanting an over inflated ball. Did Rodgers specifically say all his footballs were never over the legal limit?

The problem is the corruption in the media and fans. It's all about controlling the narrative. If it goes against the media's narrative they won't fairly report it.

So basically other teams are better at getting away with cheating then the Patriots are or the NFL lets them.

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vonstout":3tr5ggvx said:

Pats fan1":3tr5ggvx said:

scutterhawk":3tr5ggvx said:

Pats fan1":3tr5ggvx said:

From reading some early reports it looks very serious and it also looks like this could possibly not just be a Pats' issue, but a league issue where many teams around the NFL were doing this and many refs were involved. So the problem could be systemic and wide spread.

From early reports it looks like there's hints and possibilities the refs knew the game balls were under deflated and did nothing or something fishy was happening with the refs too and they could be in cahoots?

I've also read the officiating crew for that Pats/Colts game is being investigated.

Also, doesn't every NFL QB like their footballs set at a certain PSI to give them comfort? Aaron Rodgers likes his footballs over deflated as he said and he also said he doesn't like the refs messing with the footballs...

Rodgers: "Most QBs like flatter footballs."...
http://espn.go.com/nfl/playoffs/2014/st ... -footballs

So if the theory is that footballs that are under deflated give the QB and WR's better odds at throwing and catching balls then why does Rodgers excel at throwing with over flated hard ball and his WR's do a great job at catching them in freezing weather in Lambeau Field?

Some easy answers is: "Well it's the Pats" and because of spy gate and the perception of the Pats' organization they don't get the benefit of the doubt and it's presumption of guilt and they are held to higher standards so many people aren't going to accept this being wide spread and won't accept if other teams do it. Which is unfair and all teams should be held to the same standards equally across the board.

Now "IF" the NFL does find out this is wide spread around the NFL and many teams under deflate or over inflate footballs beyond the limits then that really doesn't give the Pats an unfair advantage, since it's like players around the league using HGH, it's wide spread. So how do you punish 20+ teams if 20+ teams are doing it too?

And there still isn't any evidence out yet showing how either the Pats or refs deflated footballs in that time frame of 2 hours and 15 minutes before the game. Some one, either the Pats organization or refs got to the footballs some where some time.

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Yeah, we need to buffer this story of "Cheating" by putting the blame on some Ref's, I mean, after all, these Ref's are suppose to check the pressure of ALL the balls, and put a mark on them as between 12 1/2 to 13 1/2 lbs., and OKAY to use.
Maybe the cheating Ref's need to post someone to safeguard against someone from either team deflating, or over inflating the balls.......It's cheating the rules, and it's the Patriots that did it, and there will be some penalties handed to them because of it.
AND it doesn't matter if some Quarterbacks like the ball a little more inflated or not, the rule states between 12 1/2, and 13 1/2 lbs. NO EXCEPTIONS.

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I agree with that. And "IF" other QB's around the league are using footballs under or over the legal limit they and the coaches need to be fined and suspended and lose draft picks.

You can't keep falling back on: "Well it's the Pats who got caught" disingenuous hypocrisy. If cheating is bad then NO ONE should cheat.

If you disagree with that then you fall into the category of the crowd who say: "It's not cheating unless you get caught."

And if Russell Wilson and the Seahawks are found to be using under or over inflated footballs past the legal limit I don't want to see or hear excuses from the Seattle media or their fans. But I bet it will be swept under the rug like when former Steelers' coach Bill Cowher said many teams video tape or when Jimmy Johnson said his team use to search the waste baskets of the opposing team's locker room, or Aaron Rodgers wanting an over inflated ball. Did Rodgers specifically say all his footballs were never over the legal limit?

The problem is the corruption in the media and fans. It's all about controlling the narrative. If it goes against the media's narrative they won't fairly report it.

So basically other teams are better at getting away with cheating then the Patriots are or the NFL lets them.

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Please post a link to back up your statement that ANY other team is deflating game balls.

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Pats fan1":1blbpljc said:

vonstout":1blbpljc said:

Pats fan1":1blbpljc said:

scutterhawk":1blbpljc said:

Pats fan1 said:

From reading some early reports it looks very serious and it also looks like this could possibly not just be a Pats' issue, but a league issue where many teams around the NFL were doing this and many refs were involved. So the problem could be systemic and wide spread.

From early reports it looks like there's hints and possibilities the refs knew the game balls were under deflated and did nothing or something fishy was happening with the refs too and they could be in cahoots?

I've also read the officiating crew for that Pats/Colts game is being investigated.

Also, doesn't every NFL QB like their footballs set at a certain PSI to give them comfort? Aaron Rodgers likes his footballs over deflated as he said and he also said he doesn't like the refs messing with the footballs...

Rodgers: "Most QBs like flatter footballs."...
http://espn.go.com/nfl/playoffs/2014/st ... -footballs

So if the theory is that footballs that are under deflated give the QB and WR's better odds at throwing and catching balls then why does Rodgers excel at throwing with over flated hard ball and his WR's do a great job at catching them in freezing weather in Lambeau Field?

Some easy answers is: "Well it's the Pats" and because of spy gate and the perception of the Pats' organization they don't get the benefit of the doubt and it's presumption of guilt and they are held to higher standards so many people aren't going to accept this being wide spread and won't accept if other teams do it. Which is unfair and all teams should be held to the same standards equally across the board.

Now "IF" the NFL does find out this is wide spread around the NFL and many teams under deflate or over inflate footballs beyond the limits then that really doesn't give the Pats an unfair advantage, since it's like players around the league using HGH, it's wide spread. So how do you punish 20+ teams if 20+ teams are doing it too?

And there still isn't any evidence out yet showing how either the Pats or refs deflated footballs in that time frame of 2 hours and 15 minutes before the game. Some one, either the Pats organization or refs got to the footballs some where some time.

Click to expand...

Yeah, we need to buffer this story of "Cheating" by putting the blame on some Ref's, I mean, after all, these Ref's are suppose to check the pressure of ALL the balls, and put a mark on them as between 12 1/2 to 13 1/2 lbs., and OKAY to use.
Maybe the cheating Ref's need to post someone to safeguard against someone from either team deflating, or over inflating the balls.......It's cheating the rules, and it's the Patriots that did it, and there will be some penalties handed to them because of it.
AND it doesn't matter if some Quarterbacks like the ball a little more inflated or not, the rule states between 12 1/2, and 13 1/2 lbs. NO EXCEPTIONS.

Click to expand...

I agree with that. And "IF" other QB's around the league are using footballs under or over the legal limit they and the coaches need to be fined and suspended and lose draft picks.

You can't keep falling back on: "Well it's the Pats who got caught" disingenuous hypocrisy. If cheating is bad then NO ONE should cheat.

If you disagree with that then you fall into the category of the crowd who say: "It's not cheating unless you get caught."

And if Russell Wilson and the Seahawks are found to be using under or over inflated footballs past the legal limit I don't want to see or hear excuses from the Seattle media or their fans. But I bet it will be swept under the rug like when former Steelers' coach Bill Cowher said many teams video tape or when Jimmy Johnson said his team use to search the waste baskets of the opposing team's locker room, or Aaron Rodgers wanting an over inflated ball. Did Rodgers specifically say all his footballs were never over the legal limit?

The problem is the corruption in the media and fans. It's all about controlling the narrative. If it goes against the media's narrative they won't fairly report it.

So basically other teams are better at getting away with cheating then the Patriots are or the NFL lets them.

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Please post a link to back up your statement that ANY other team is deflating game balls.

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All over the media they have been interviewing former and current QB's about this and many say this is ridiculous and most tampered with the footballs in some way...

Leinart says “every” quarterback tampers with the ball, except one...

“Every team tampers with the footballs,” Matt Leinart said on Twitter. “Ask any Qb In the league, this is ridiculous!!”

Leinart then carved out one exception: “Actually my guy @kurt13warner didn’t tamper w the footballs because he wore gloves,” Leinart said. “Used to irritate me..So correction, almost all QBs!”

Kevin Clark of the Wall Street Journal, who’s currently in Mobile, Alabama for the first significant pre-draft event, supports the notion that tampering is commonplace by noting that “NFL head coaches here at Senior Bowl seem downright offended that people think this deflation stuff is a big deal.”
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20 ... xcept-one/

If people only get their news from Obama's ESPN Reggie Love network you will miss a lot of news stories nationally.

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bigtrain21":1jloa8im said:

http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/patr ... difference

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Pats fan1":17zuc186 said:

bigtrain21":17zuc186 said:

http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/patr ... difference

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Deflategate: NFL quarterbacks doctoring footballs is nothing new...
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/writer/jas ... othing-new

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Pats fan1":3b9pynyh said:

All over the media they have been interviewing former and current QB's about this and many say this is ridiculous and most tampered with the footballs in some way...

Leinart says “every” quarterback tampers with the ball, except one...

“Every team tampers with the footballs,” Matt Leinart said on Twitter. “Ask any Qb In the league, this is ridiculous!!”

Leinart then carved out one exception: “Actually my guy @kurt13warner didn’t tamper w the footballs because he wore gloves,” Leinart said. “Used to irritate me..So correction, almost all QBs!”

Kevin Clark of the Wall Street Journal, who’s currently in Mobile, Alabama for the first significant pre-draft event, supports the notion that tampering is commonplace by noting that “NFL head coaches here at Senior Bowl seem downright offended that people think this deflation stuff is a big deal.”
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20 ... xcept-one/

Deflategate: NFL quarterbacks doctoring footballs is nothing new...
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/writer/jas ... othing-new

If people only get their news from Obama's ESPN Reggie Love network you will miss a lot of news stories nationally.

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rideaducati":2cpg8i0d said:

Pats fan1":2cpg8i0d said:

bigtrain21":2cpg8i0d said:

http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/patr ... difference

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Deflategate: NFL quarterbacks doctoring footballs is nothing new...
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/writer/jas ... othing-new

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They have always been allowed to "doctor" balls prior to games, but the Pats did it AFTER they balls were signed off by the officials that did the psi checks which is NOT something all teams do.

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