NFCW Best Draft

Largent80 · May 3, 2015

So, who helped themselves the most, and will the choices help the team "get over the hump?"

Hawks are already deep. Lost DC, LB coach, and several starters.

However, they were lucky enough to have every player the coveted to be available.....They really helped themselves.

Anyone else want to add?

nanomoz · May 3, 2015

I think the Rams will see the most improvement immediately. Gurley, Havenstein, and Brown will go a long way in changing the identity of that offense. I think Nick Foles will benefit from having an offense more like Seattle's, predicated on play action and forcing defensive backs to cheat toward the LOS.

If the Rams receivers can't step up with a better deep-ball QB and running game, it's time to start over at the position.Brian Quick (finally) started to come on before getting hurt last year. He and Britt should benefit from a QB that throws a better deep ball. Tavon Austin has got to step up and run some actual routes.

Seahawk Sailor · May 3, 2015

I think the 'Hawks and Rams had the best drafts; the Cards and 49ers the worst. Wasn't impressed with theirs, but I think the 'Hawks and Rams made solid selections that should put them #1 and #2 respectively in the division.

rlkats · May 3, 2015

Seahawk Sailor":3ns8t77f said:
I think the 'Hawks and Rams had the best drafts; the Cards and 49ers the worst. Wasn't impressed with theirs, but I think the 'Hawks and Rams made solid selections that should put them #1 and #2 respectively in the division.

Haha of course you think the hawks are part of the best draft.

Personally I think the draft was a bit underwelming.
But if i had to pick I think the Rams a d Cards did the best.
The Hawks and Ninersreached majorly for their pics.

TAB420 · May 3, 2015

How is it a reach, if at the end of the draft Seattle got the players they were targeting? To believe they reached means you agree with the draft specialist and their opinion(yes opinion) of where they think each player should be. Seattle wanted certain players and picked them in the order they felt were most significant to the team...That not reaching, that's sticking to your game plan.

rlkats · May 3, 2015

I guess my problem is I strongly feel this draft had very little proven talent and a ton of maybe players.

rlkats · May 3, 2015

The hawks and the Ni ers feel very similar to the dreaded 2012 niners draft. A ton of possibilities but also alot of probility of a ton of busts.

TAB420 · May 3, 2015

I feel if a team addresses their needs than it's a success. And Seattle drafted for the positions of most need. But it's always a gamble when bringing in young men to the NFL. We will not know for a couple years, if it was truly successful.

rlkats · May 3, 2015

TAB420":2fx7u3x7 said:
I feel if a team addresses their needs than it's a success. And Seattle drafted for the positions of most need. But it's always a gamble when bringing in young men to the NFL. We will not know for a couple years, if it was truly successful.

Must agree 100% TAB. Thats why I try not to grade. Its all unknown. There in history has been the ones that did great that no one thought they would (Wilson, Aldon, etc) then there were those that have been a bust like Jarmacus Russel.

chris98251 · May 3, 2015

This draft was about depth, we drafted our replacements a year and two years ago, this is the next level to fill in for the guys that are moving up to from #2 position unless they perform better then expected to supplant them.

ClutchDJ · May 3, 2015

I feel like the Cards and Hawks had the best drafts, although I don't think anyone had a 10/10 draft. 8/10 at best.

Outside of Gurley, I feel like the Rams reached hard on most of their picks.

Not a fan of the 49ers' draft, tbh.

Marvin49 · May 4, 2015

chris98251":3k9qca72 said:
This draft was about depth, we drafted our replacements a year and two years ago, this is the next level to fill in for the guys that are moving up to from #2 position unless they perform better then expected to supplant them.

Same can be said for Niners.

Lost Gore? Drafted Hyde last year and Hunter a few years before.
Lost Iupati? Drafted Marcus Martin and Brandon Thomas last year.
Lost Culliver and Cox? Drafted Dontae Johnson, Kenneth Acker, and Keith Reaser last year.
Lost Michael Crabtree? Drafted Quinton Patton and Bruce Ellington in successive years.
Justin Smith may retire? Drafted Tank Carradine and Quinton Dial two years ago.
Brooks becoming expendable? Drafted Aaron Lynch last year.
Lost Willis? Drafted Chris Borland last year...what's that? He what? oops.

None of this is to say that these guys will be as good as the players they are replacing. The point is that there are perceptions out their about their "needs" and they aren't always correct because the 49ers have made 23 picks over the two previous years, redshirting several injured rookies to get draft value, and filling holes before they were holes. Doesn't help to simply draft a corner or a WR. Its pointless if you don't think the player you are drafting is any better than the young players you ALREADY have on your roster. Baalke round after round took who he thought was the best player, not the need position. 5 tech DE not a HUGE need. Safety certainly not a need. OLB not a need. That's their first 3 picks.

So, I like the players the Niners took (Tartt and Smelter in particular are intriguing)...I'm just not sure they filled many positions of need.

Todd Gurley is a really good pick for the Rams, but what can't escape my attention is that we ALWAYS say that...we are impressed with what the Rams did but it never seems to make a difference.

Grading the draft right now for any team is pointless.

I do like Lockett though...was sad to see him end up in Seattle.

hawknation2015 · May 4, 2015

San Francisco 49ers

17. Oregon DE Arik Armstead
46. Samford S Jaquiski Tartt
79. Virginia OLB Eli Harold
117. Oklahoma TE Blake Bell
126. South Carolina RB Mike Davis
132. Georgia Tech WR DeAndre Smelter
165. Clemson P Bradley Pinion
190. Boston College OG Ian Silberman
244. Florida OG Trent Brown
254. South Carolina TE Rory Anderson

Overview: The 49ers drew day-one praise for trading down with the Chargers and still securing "their guy" in Armstead. I view Armstead as a classic boom-or-bust prospect, however, and unworthy of a top-20 pick. For someone as physically gifted as he is, Armstead had an alarming shortage of college production. Tartt will be a special teamer this season. I don't think Bell has the tools to become more than a little-used, role-playing tight end in the pros. Davis is a straight-linish grinder. Smelter will redshirt in year one. Pinion is a punter. Silberman, Brown, and Anderson are throwaways. The pick I did like was Harold, who wasn't a favorite in the draftnik community but offers double-digit sack potential as a developmental pass rusher. I expected a lot more projectable year-one impact from GM Trent Baalke's 2015 class. It wouldn't surprise me if one or even none of these players becomes a good football player right away.

Grade: D+

Seattle Seahawks

63. Michigan DE Frank Clark
69. Kansas State WR/KR Tyler Lockett
130. San Diego State T/G Terry Poole
134. West Virginia G/C Mark Glowinski
170. Towson CB Tye Smith
209. Oregon State DE Obum Gwacham
214. Buffalo OG Kristjan Sokoli
248. Oregon State DB Ryan Murphy

Overview: The Seahawks' grade includes the pre-draft acquisition of Jimmy Graham, while keeping in mind that the move cost No. 31 and stud C Max Unger. Seattle was obviously in absolute love with Lockett, sending fourth-, fifth-, and sixth-rounders to the Redskins in order to land the dynamic slot receiver/return man. While Clark's off-field history is worrisome, he offers difference-making talent as a 4-3 end. Underrated throughout the pre-draft phase, Glowinski could become a year-one starter at guard or center. Poole, Gwacham, Sokoli, and Murphy are athleticism-based projections. Albeit long speed-deficient, Smith is an intriguing press-corner prospect with plus length. I really would have liked to see Seattle draft a big wide receiver for Russell Wilson's sake. Still, my sense is there will be more year-one impact from this class than most expect. It becomes an excellent group if some of the late-round projects hit.

Grade: B-

http://www.rotoworld.com/articles/nfl/5 ... rades?pg=2

Marvin49 · May 4, 2015

hawknation2015":1y4ojg3o said:
San Francisco 49ers

17. Oregon DE Arik Armstead
46. Samford S Jaquiski Tartt
79. Virginia OLB Eli Harold
117. Oklahoma TE Blake Bell
126. South Carolina RB Mike Davis
132. Georgia Tech WR DeAndre Smelter
165. Clemson P Bradley Pinion
190. Boston College OG Ian Silberman
244. Florida OG Trent Brown
254. South Carolina TE Rory Anderson

Overview: The 49ers drew day-one praise for trading down with the Chargers and still securing "their guy" in Armstead. I view Armstead as a classic boom-or-bust prospect, however, and unworthy of a top-20 pick. For someone as physically gifted as he is, Armstead had an alarming shortage of college production. Tartt will be a special teamer this season. I don't think Bell has the tools to become more than a little-used, role-playing tight end in the pros. Davis is a straight-linish grinder. Smelter will redshirt in year one. Pinion is a punter. Silberman, Brown, and Anderson are throwaways. The pick I did like was Harold, who wasn't a favorite in the draftnik community but offers double-digit sack potential as a developmental pass rusher. I expected a lot more projectable year-one impact from GM Trent Baalke's 2015 class. It wouldn't surprise me if one or even none of these players becomes a good football player right away.

Grade: D+

Seattle Seahawks

63. Michigan DE Frank Clark
69. Kansas State WR/KR Tyler Lockett
130. San Diego State T/G Terry Poole
134. West Virginia G/C Mark Glowinski
170. Towson CB Tye Smith
209. Oregon State DE Obum Gwacham
214. Buffalo OG Kristjan Sokoli
248. Oregon State DB Ryan Murphy

Overview: The Seahawks' grade includes the pre-draft acquisition of Jimmy Graham, while keeping in mind that the move cost No. 31 and stud C Max Unger. Seattle was obviously in absolute love with Lockett, sending fourth-, fifth-, and sixth-rounders to the Redskins in order to land the dynamic slot receiver/return man. While Clark's off-field history is worrisome, he offers difference-making talent as a 4-3 end. Underrated throughout the pre-draft phase, Glowinski could become a year-one starter at guard or center. Poole, Gwacham, Sokoli, and Murphy are athleticism-based projections. Albeit long speed-deficient, Smith is an intriguing press-corner prospect with plus length. I really would have liked to see Seattle draft a big wide receiver for Russell Wilson's sake. Still, my sense is there will be more year-one impact from this class than most expect. It becomes an excellent group if some of the late-round projects hit.

Grade: B-

Click to expand...

http://www.rotoworld.com/articles/nfl/5 ... rades?pg=2

Meh.

Draft Grades are pointless. Go back and read the draft grades for Seattle 2012 draft.

hawknation2015 · May 4, 2015

San Francisco 49ers
2012 Grade: C-

The Skinny: They took receiver A.J. Jenkins in the first round, and that was a major bust. He was a disaster and eventually was traded to the Chiefs, who cut him this year. They took running back LaMichael James in the second round, and he is no longer with them. In fact, the only draft pick still left on the roster is backup guard Joe Looney, who was taken in the fourth round.

How I did: I liked the pick of Jenkins. Not good. I questioned the pick of James, which was right. I didn't really like the draft much, but it's even worse now.

New Grade: F

Seattle Seahawks
2012 Grade: C+

The Skinny: This is the draft that brought them quarterback Russell Wilson, middle linebacker Bobby Wagner, outside linebacker Bruce Irvin, nickel corner Jeremy Lane and right guard J.R Sweezy. That's a heck of a haul for John Schneider. Wilson is the big steal in the third round. Sweezy came in the seventh.

How I did: Not good. I questioned the pick of Irvin in the first round -- mainly for character reasons -- and I didn't like them taking Wilson when they just got Matt Flynn and gave him a big deal. I was way off. I thought their best pick was Wagner in the second, and he's been a huge part of the dominance of the defense.

New Grade: A+

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/writer/pet ... ilson-a-c-

Popeyejones · May 4, 2015

TAB420":3599zd9s said:
How is it a reach, if at the end of the draft Seattle got the players they were targeting?.

There's absolutely no way to ever know if a team got the players it was targeting.

What GM is going to say they missed on their targets? :lol:

Just by way of example, it's possible that the Seahawks traded up for Lockett because they weren't expecting the run on receivers and felt like they'd be screwed if they didn't get the last remaining one in their tier, so they were forced to move up for someone who they didn't covet but who was the last guy they thought was acceptable.

On the other side of it, you could say that the 9ers got their man in Armstead and still accumulated picks while doing so, or traded out of the spot because they had just missed their man in Parker and Armstead was with a bunch of other guys in the next tier down.

The point is that even if a team moves up or down, there's really no way to know if a team got who they were targeting or not.

On top of that, there's really no way to know if a team reached or not. Seattle definitely has a reputation for reaching, but we don't know if that's true or not because our projections aren't ever based on any real draft boards.

Popeyejones · May 4, 2015

Marvin49":hughhatk said:
Same can be said for Niners.

Lost Gore? Drafted Hyde last year and Hunter a few years before.
Lost Iupati? Drafted Marcus Martin and Brandon Thomas last year.
Lost Culliver and Cox? Drafted Dontae Johnson, Kenneth Acker, and Keith Reaser last year.
Lost Michael Crabtree? Drafted Quinton Patton and Bruce Ellington in successive years.
Justin Smith may retire? Drafted Tank Carradine and Quinton Dial two years ago.
Brooks becoming expendable? Drafted Aaron Lynch last year.
Lost Willis? Drafted Chris Borland last year...what's that? He what? oops.

To be fair this 9ers draft is the exact same way. It might be a horrible draft and not pan out, but the year-down-the-line strategy is pretty clear.

Armstead replaces Justin Smith next year now that Tank is replacing McDonald.
Tartt is replacing Bethea who is gone after this year.
Harold is replacing Brooks who is gone after this year or sooner.
Bell is going in the rotation to replace Davis who is gone after this year
Davis is replacing Bush and/or Hunter for next year, who are both on one year deals this year
Smelter (who will redshirt this year) is replacing Boldin who is gone after this year.
Pinion is replacing Lee who is gone after this year (if Pinion becomes the kickoff specialist) or this year
Silberman and Brown are PS material in preparation for Boone being gone after this year.
Anderson is PS material for when Davis leaves after this year.

TBH I find the criticism of he 9ers draft by fans and the media to be missing the mark. If people want to complain about the TALENT of the players I'm fine with that, but complaining about not drafting immediate starters is just stupid, as doing so is ignorant of what they were TRYING to do, and people should already know this, given that Baalke has done it every year for five years in a row now.

Since Baalke has been GM the team has only drafted 3 immediate starters, and they moved up for two of them (Reid and Anthony Davis). As a rule unless the team is moving up they're drafting for the next year or two down the line. Heck, even Bowman and Aldon were drafted for the down the line and didn't start in their first years.

TAB420 · May 4, 2015

When your coach or GM gives hints that happen to line up exactly with the player chosen? Pete said they got 2/3 players they were aiming for in the 2nd and third round, If your going to lie then why not just say you got the two guys you wanted?

rlkats · May 4, 2015

hawknation2015":17pw5nih said:
San Francisco 49ers

17. Oregon DE Arik Armstead
46. Samford S Jaquiski Tartt
79. Virginia OLB Eli Harold
117. Oklahoma TE Blake Bell
126. South Carolina RB Mike Davis
132. Georgia Tech WR DeAndre Smelter
165. Clemson P Bradley Pinion
190. Boston College OG Ian Silberman
244. Florida OG Trent Brown
254. South Carolina TE Rory Anderson

Overview: The 49ers drew day-one praise for trading down with the Chargers and still securing "their guy" in Armstead. I view Armstead as a classic boom-or-bust prospect, however, and unworthy of a top-20 pick. For someone as physically gifted as he is, Armstead had an alarming shortage of college production. Tartt will be a special teamer this season. I don't think Bell has the tools to become more than a little-used, role-playing tight end in the pros. Davis is a straight-linish grinder. Smelter will redshirt in year one. Pinion is a punter. Silberman, Brown, and
Anderson are throwaways. The pick I did like was Harold, who wasn't a favorite in the draftnik community but offers double-digit sack potential as a developmental pass rusher. I expected a lot more projectable year-one impact from GM Trent Baalke's 2015 class. It wouldn't surprise me if one or even none of these players becomes a good football player right away.

Grade: D+

Seattle Seahawks

63. Michigan DE Frank Clark
69. Kansas State WR/KR Tyler Lockett
130. San Diego State T/G Terry Poole
134. West Virginia G/C Mark Glowinski
170. Towson CB Tye Smith
209. Oregon State DE Obum Gwacham
214. Buffalo OG Kristjan Sokoli
248. Oregon State DB Ryan Murphy

Overview: The Seahawks' grade includes the pre-draft acquisition of Jimmy Graham, while keeping in mind that the move cost No. 31 and stud C Max Unger. Seattle was obviously in absolute love with Lockett, sending fourth-, fifth-, and sixth-rounders to the Redskins in order to land the dynamic slot receiver/return man. While Clark's off-field history is worrisome, he offers difference-making talent as a 4-3 end. Underrated throughout the pre-draft phase, Glowinski could become a year-one starter at guard or center. Poole, Gwacham, Sokoli, and Murphy are athleticism-based projections. Albeit long speed-deficient, Smith is an intriguing press-corner prospect with plus length. I really would have liked to see Seattle draft a big wide receiver for Russell Wilson's sake. Still, my sense is there will be more year-one impact from this class than most expect. It becomes an excellent group if some of the late-round projects hit.

Grade: B-

Click to expand...

http://www.rotoworld.com/articles/nfl/5 ... rades?pg=2

Hey hawknation2015. Now go to nfl.com and click on the nfcw quick draft grades. You will be surprised to know the cards were given an A. Niners a B- and the Hawks a C-

So this is why I believe grades are a joke. And something not to hang our hat on.

rlkats · May 4, 2015

TAB420":ey1gq6fp said:
When your coach or GM gives hints that happen to line up exactly with the player chosen? Pete said they got 2/3 players they were aiming for in the 2nd and third round, If your going to lie then why not just say you got the two guys you wanted?

And Balke said that at the time of their pick they got exactly who they wanted.

Its all smoke and mirrors. They are not going to say oh damn we didn't get who we wanted. These playera were my 2,3,or 4th pic.

NFCW Best Draft

New member

Well-known member

Active member

Active member

Active member

Active member

Active member

Active member

Active member

Well-known member

Member

Well-known member

New member

Well-known member

New member

Active member

Active member

Active member

Active member

Active member

Similar threads