Would Seattle consider signing Jarryd Hayne??

devilz · Oct 26, 2015

Hi all, :2:

First post on here! I'm an Aussie that's followed Seattle since 2012, and most of all a fan of Jarryd Hayne for over a decade. When I first heard that he wanted to pursue a career in the NFL, I hoped that he signed with us but unfortunately that didn't happen. Without a doubt he is a world class athlete, and had an excellent pre-season, and probably a mediocre season thus far (despite a few mistakes and given the limited playing time). He definitely has the raw talent and potential, but is underutilised and wasted at the 49ers with poor coaching and terrible management.

Seattle coach Pete Carroll said the Seahawks were definitely interested in signing Hayne during the offseason, although it never came to fruition.

“I thought it was an exciting prospect to get him in here,” Carroll said via conference call. "We tried to, we talked to him about it and visited him and all that. It’s really cool to see that he’s playing and contributing and he’s a factor in the games. He’s done some really good stuff.” Asked how the Seahawks might have utilized Hayne, Carroll said, “We thought he really could be a highlighted player and we had a lot of thoughts about how we were going to use him.”

http://blogs.mercurynews.com/49ers/...d-about-lack-of-production-through-six-games/

It sounds like Pete Carroll had big plans in mind and more creativity than Tomsula or the other coaching clowns at SF. With the drama that's going on at the 49ers, if Hayne were to be traded, cut, or put on the practice team, do you think that Pete Carroll/ management would consider signing him?

Sports Hernia · Oct 26, 2015

First off, Welcome to .net!

As for Hayne he is currently property of the Niners, and I think they view him as a long term project.
As for a trade, since his play, though impressive, has been limited to the pre-season and is new to American football he doesn't have much of a trade value.

For the sake of argument let's say the Niners cut him, I could see the Hawks picking him up if they had some injuries and a spot open. I don't see the Niners cutting him however, he has been one of the few positive bright spots for the Niners this year, and they need to keep their fanbase interested in the current product and Hayne is a good story.

hawknation2015 · Oct 26, 2015

I'm sure we would love to have him. I was disappointed when he picked the 49ers over us.

Really surprised 49ers deactivated him for the last game. He was the one aspect of that team that seemed to generate some energy and excitement.

ringless · Oct 26, 2015

I lived on the Gold Coast Australia from 2005-2012 and use to watch the Titans (moved out there when I was 17)

I use to watch Jarryd Hayne, love the sport! I really wanted him to play for the Cardinals, but the above poster is right. He is seen as a project. I think while he has shown a lot athleticism he still has a lot to grasp. It is a more complicated sport with the rules, the playbooks. When he has to chip block etc.

I really want to see him succeed, just not in this division unless he's a Cardinal. I think Seattle is one place he would have a shot because Seattle has some of the best coaches in the league and they have shown they are capable of developing talent that others haven't been able to have success with.

Marvin49 · Oct 27, 2015

So, as a Niner fan I think I need to explain Haynes status on the team.

Jarryd was never going to be a big contributor to the 49ers this year. He was always viewed as a project. He is a RB and his performance in the preseason is what made him the 3rd or 4th RB on the team. Otherwise he likely wouldn't have made the team.

As a RB, he is probably the 4th best on the team. Hyde is far and away the best player there, Bush is a seasoned vet and as a pure RB, Mike Davis is better. Playing RB is about far more than just running the ball BTW. Blocking in the pass game is a HUGE aspect that Hayne has struggled badly with. That's not to say he'll never be good, but there are NFL players who have played for years who don't do it well and Hayne has only been doing it for a few months.

So...why has Hayne been on the field at all? Bush got hurt on the second carry of the season. Hayne adds something as a return specialist and Mike Davis does not...IE they can only have so many players active on gameday and Hayne fills more roles than Davis does.

Bush was active in the last game AND can return punts and that's why Hayne was inactive. Simple as that.

It's easy to talk about management and coaching as the issues, but the reality is while Tomsula might not be a great HC (to be determined) he is very good at developing young talent and the 49ers RB coach (Tom Rathman) is among the best RB coaches in the NFL. The 49ers coaching staff may or may not be very good in the end, but the coaching is not the reason Hayne isn't contributing more. The fact that he's contributing at all is a testament to the coaching.

IE...the reality here is that Hayne has done VERY well to even be on the active roster and get into a few games. That's FAR more than most expected and he is a long term prospect. He'll only get better.

Sports Hernia · Oct 27, 2015

Correct me if I'm wrong Marvin, or anyone else that knows rugby..... I'm pretty sure there blocking isn't allowed. That's probably a new concept for him that's why he may be struggling in that department.

hawknation2015 · Oct 27, 2015

Marvin49":1d0rd6sc said:
So, as a Niner fan I think I need to explain Haynes status on the team.

Jarryd was never going to be a big contributor to the 49ers this year. He was always viewed as a project. He is a RB and his performance in the preseason is what made him the 3rd or 4th RB on the team. Otherwise he likely wouldn't have made the team.

As a RB, he is probably the 4th best on the team. Hyde is far and away the best player there, Bush is a seasoned vet and as a pure RB, Mike Davis is better. Playing RB is about far more than just running the ball BTW. Blocking in the pass game is a HUGE aspect that Hayne has struggled badly with. That's not to say he'll never be good, but there are NFL players who have played for years who don't do it well and Hayne has only been doing it for a few months.

So...why has Hayne been on the field at all? Bush got hurt on the second carry of the season. Hayne adds something as a return specialist and Mike Davis does not...IE they can only have so many players active on gameday and Hayne fills more roles than Davis does.

Bush was active in the last game AND can return punts and that's why Hayne was inactive. Simple as that.

It's easy to talk about management and coaching as the issues, but the reality is while Tomsula might not be a great HC (to be determined) he is very good at developing young talent and the 49ers RB coach (Tom Rathman) is among the best RB coaches in the NFL. The 49ers coaching staff may or may not be very good in the end, but the coaching is not the reason Hayne isn't contributing more. The fact that he's contributing at all is a testament to the coaching.

IE...the reality here is that Hayne has done VERY well to even be on the active roster and get into a few games. That's FAR more than most expected and he is a long term prospect. He'll only get better.

The 49ers block?

Glasgow Seahawk · Oct 27, 2015

There wouldn't be room for him I don't think. I don't see how he would get ahead of Lynch, Jackson or Rawls. Plus Lockett is our KR/PR. He's had a couple of fumbles as well which is a no-no in this team.

RichNhansom · Oct 27, 2015

Glasgow Seahawk":16k6g7ak said:
There wouldn't be room for him I don't think. I don't see how he would get ahead of Lynch, Jackson or Rawls. Plus Lockett is our KR/PR. He's had a couple of fumbles as well which is a no-no in this team.

This is what I was thinking as well. I like the guy and he is an exciting prospect but he chose correctly going to the 9ers where he will have a chance to contribute. Here he would have never even been active because of the depth at RB and even in the return game with P-Rich coming back.

RichNhansom · Oct 27, 2015

Marvin49":2a5j027w said:
So, as a Niner fan I think I need to explain Haynes status on the team.

Jarryd was never going to be a big contributor to the 49ers this year. He was always viewed as a project. He is a RB and his performance in the preseason is what made him the 3rd or 4th RB on the team. Otherwise he likely wouldn't have made the team.

As a RB, he is probably the 4th best on the team. Hyde is far and away the best player there, Bush is a seasoned vet and as a pure RB, Mike Davis is better. Playing RB is about far more than just running the ball BTW. Blocking in the pass game is a HUGE aspect that Hayne has struggled badly with. That's not to say he'll never be good, but there are NFL players who have played for years who don't do it well and Hayne has only been doing it for a few months.

So...why has Hayne been on the field at all? Bush got hurt on the second carry of the season. Hayne adds something as a return specialist and Mike Davis does not...IE they can only have so many players active on gameday and Hayne fills more roles than Davis does.

Bush was active in the last game AND can return punts and that's why Hayne was inactive. Simple as that.

It's easy to talk about management and coaching as the issues, but the reality is while Tomsula might not be a great HC (to be determined) Is it really yet to be determined he's not a GREAT coach? he is very good at developing young talent Is he really very good at developing young talent? He looked good as the D-line coach but your statement paints a pretty broad scope. Who else has he developed? Kaep might disagree with you. and the 49ers RB coach (Tom Rathman) is among the best RB coaches in the NFL Again based on what? He has had a ton of RB's come through and Gore was there before him. Hyde is still a big question mark, so what are you basing him being among the best in the NFL? . The 49ers coaching staff may or may not be very good in the end, but the coaching is not the reason Hayne isn't contributing more. The fact that he's contributing at all is a testament to the coaching. Or a testement to his talent and your teams lack of depth due in part to your GM and your RB coach.

IE...the reality here is that Hayne has done VERY well to even be on the active roster and get into a few games. That's FAR more than most expected and he is a long term prospect. He'll only get better.

Marvin49 · Oct 27, 2015

Sports Hernia":3havb44a said:
Correct me if I'm wrong Marvin, or anyone else that knows rugby..... I'm pretty sure there blocking isn't allowed. That's probably a new concept for him that's why he may be struggling in that department.

That would be my assumption.

Marvin49 · Oct 27, 2015

RichNhansom":3usdix80 said:
Marvin49":3usdix80 said:

So, as a Niner fan I think I need to explain Haynes status on the team.

Jarryd was never going to be a big contributor to the 49ers this year. He was always viewed as a project. He is a RB and his performance in the preseason is what made him the 3rd or 4th RB on the team. Otherwise he likely wouldn't have made the team.

As a RB, he is probably the 4th best on the team. Hyde is far and away the best player there, Bush is a seasoned vet and as a pure RB, Mike Davis is better. Playing RB is about far more than just running the ball BTW. Blocking in the pass game is a HUGE aspect that Hayne has struggled badly with. That's not to say he'll never be good, but there are NFL players who have played for years who don't do it well and Hayne has only been doing it for a few months.

So...why has Hayne been on the field at all? Bush got hurt on the second carry of the season. Hayne adds something as a return specialist and Mike Davis does not...IE they can only have so many players active on gameday and Hayne fills more roles than Davis does.

Bush was active in the last game AND can return punts and that's why Hayne was inactive. Simple as that.

It's easy to talk about management and coaching as the issues, but the reality is while Tomsula might not be a great HC (to be determined) Is it really yet to be determined he's not a GREAT coach? he is very good at developing young talent Is he really very good at developing young talent? He looked good as the D-line coach but your statement paints a pretty broad scope. Who else has he developed? Kaep might disagree with you. and the 49ers RB coach (Tom Rathman) is among the best RB coaches in the NFL Again based on what? He has had a ton of RB's come through and Gore was there before him. Hyde is still a big question mark, so what are you basing him being among the best in the NFL? . The 49ers coaching staff may or may not be very good in the end, but the coaching is not the reason Hayne isn't contributing more. The fact that he's contributing at all is a testament to the coaching. Or a testement to his talent and your teams lack of depth due in part to your GM and your RB coach.

IE...the reality here is that Hayne has done VERY well to even be on the active roster and get into a few games. That's FAR more than most expected and he is a long term prospect. He'll only get better.

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Really not interested in a coaching debate.

My point was that saying Hayne isn't contributing due to poor coaching is really kinda BS. The fact that the guy is contributing AT ALL is impressive.

Hayne isn't playing RB because there are guys ahead of him that are better than him. Simple as that. He's only been active because he can return punts and Reggie Bush has been injured.

Hayne runs WAY, WAY too upright, isn't as quick as I'd like even though he is elusive, doesn't protect the ball well yet, and misses blocking assignments (along with 3/5ths of the Offensive Line). In short...he's not playing a lot because he hasn't earned that right even on a bad team.

Moving forward tho...as the Niners fall further and further behind in any sort of playoff hunt (and no, I have no illusions), playing youth will become paramount and Hayne might find himself active even over a healthy Reggie Bush. Hayne is in the teams long term plans. Reggie Bush is not.

Laloosh · Oct 27, 2015

Can I ask a stupid question?

If Hayne runs too upright, doesn't know how to block and can't beat out a 3rd string RB for snaps, what's so great about him? Honest question.

I thought he looked alright in the preseason but I don't know much about him so I probably missed the obvious answer that I'm about to receive.

Marvin49 · Oct 27, 2015

Laloosh":1860g3oj said:
Can I ask a stupid question?

If Hayne runs too upright, doesn't know how to block and can't beat out a 3rd string RB for snaps, what's so great about him? Honest question.

I thought he looked alright in the preseason but I don't know much about him so I probably missed the obvious answer that I'm about to receive.

What's so great about him? As a RB? Good Question. I don't get it myself. I'm not a big fan. He doesn't look like an NFL RB to me. Hesitant, slow footed (in terms of lateral quickness), and not a good blocker. I am decidedly not on the Hayne Train. Honestly, when I see him in the backfield I cringe.

As a returner? He makes me real nervous...but even though he's not real quick he always seems to make the first guy miss. He's slippery. No real fast either, but pretty big for a returner.

To me, I see he has a future returning kicks, but he's got a long way to go to being a serviceable RB.

Laloosh · Oct 27, 2015

Marvin49":122203r0 said:
Laloosh":122203r0 said:

Can I ask a stupid question?

If Hayne runs too upright, doesn't know how to block and can't beat out a 3rd string RB for snaps, what's so great about him? Honest question.

I thought he looked alright in the preseason but I don't know much about him so I probably missed the obvious answer that I'm about to receive.

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What's so great about him? As a RB? Good Question. I don't get it myself. I'm not a big fan. He doesn't look like an NFL RB to me. Hesitant, slow footed (in terms of lateral quickness), and not a good blocker. I am decidedly not on the Hayne Train. Honestly, when I see him in the backfield I cringe.

As a returner? He makes me real nervous...but even though he's not real quick he always seems to make the first guy miss. He's slippery. No real fast either, but pretty big for a returner.

To me, I see he has a future returning kicks, but he's got a long way to go to being a serviceable RB.

Does he have the kind of talent to be a star at KR or PR? If not, why waste the roster spot or spend the time on the project. If he's not an athletic freak, I don't get the appeal.

Marvin49 · Oct 27, 2015

Laloosh":ivaqd69e said:
Marvin49":ivaqd69e said:

Laloosh":ivaqd69e said:

Can I ask a stupid question?

If Hayne runs too upright, doesn't know how to block and can't beat out a 3rd string RB for snaps, what's so great about him? Honest question.

I thought he looked alright in the preseason but I don't know much about him so I probably missed the obvious answer that I'm about to receive.

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What's so great about him? As a RB? Good Question. I don't get it myself. I'm not a big fan. He doesn't look like an NFL RB to me. Hesitant, slow footed (in terms of lateral quickness), and not a good blocker. I am decidedly not on the Hayne Train. Honestly, when I see him in the backfield I cringe.

As a returner? He makes me real nervous...but even though he's not real quick he always seems to make the first guy miss. He's slippery. No real fast either, but pretty big for a returner.

To me, I see he has a future returning kicks, but he's got a long way to go to being a serviceable RB.

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Does he have the kind of talent to be a star at KR or PR? If not, why waste the roster spot or spend the time on the project. If he's not an athletic freak, I don't get the appeal.

To be honest, I think he's more a novelty.

UK_Seahawk · Oct 28, 2015

Hayne is an overrated joke of a player. He's only featuring to keep the interest of stupid fanboy Australians who will buy some merchandise and watch a a game they don't really understand.

Popeyejones · Oct 28, 2015

Marvin49":1d36l7kk said:
To be honest, I think he's more a novelty.

Ehh, I think he's a bit more than a novelty. Nate Boyer was a total novelty, whereas Jaryd Hayne has novel elements that make his job more secure than it would be otherwise.

The fact is that the 9ers need a punt returner, and despite the fumbles and and limited sample size Hayne is averaging more yards per return than anyone else they've had in the past few years.

I also don't think he's as bad of an RB as people claim. I don't think he's been good, but can you really argue that he has been worse than Bush or Davis so far? He blew a pass block assignment two weeks ago (and had a Pears mistake on another one falsely attributed to him on another one),

To be clear I'm not ever expecting him to ever be an important piece on the team and I think one would have to be daft to believe that the australian fanbase he has brought in hasn't helped his cause, but based on pre-season play I think he pretty clearly earned his spot on the 53.

He's had has gaffes and has his limitations during the season, but I also don't think he's on the bottom of the roster, as there are other guys who earned their spot and have been less useful than Hayne (DeAndrew White).

Marvin49 · Oct 28, 2015

Popeyejones":2482a289 said:
Marvin49":2482a289 said:

To be honest, I think he's more a novelty.

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Ehh, I think he's a bit more than a novelty. Nate Boyer was a total novelty, whereas Jaryd Hayne has novel elements that make his job more secure than it would be otherwise.

The fact is that the 9ers need a punt returner, and despite the fumbles and and limited sample size Hayne is averaging more yards per return than anyone else they've had in the past few years.

I also don't think he's as bad of an RB as people claim. I don't think he's been good, but can you really argue that he has been worse than Bush or Davis so far? He blew a pass block assignment two weeks ago (and had a Pears mistake on another one falsely attributed to him on another one),

To be clear I'm not ever expecting him to ever be an important piece on the team and I think one would have to be daft to believe that the australian fanbase he has brought in hasn't helped his cause, but based on pre-season play I think he pretty clearly earned his spot on the 53.

He's had has gaffes and has his limitations during the season, but I also don't think he's on the bottom of the roster, as there are other guys who earned their spot and have been less useful than Hayne (DeAndrew White).

What can I say...I am not and have never been a fan.

I'm probably overstating to say he's nothing more than a novelty because he has been pretty good in the returner role when he isn't fumbling, but I just don't buy him yet as an NFL player.

We'll have to agree to disagree with him as a RB though. I think Mike Davis is much better than people give him credit for and his biggest problem has been getting hit 5 yards in the backfield on almost every attempt he's had. Bush has been pretty much useless so I'd agree there.

Hayne just doesn't look like a RB to me. Its clear his pad level has been a point of emphasis, but it looks like he's thinking about it. Hyde and Davis have NATURAL body lean and look like NFL RBs. Hayne looks like a guy who has no idea what he's doing carrying the football. He had some decent runs in the preseason, but they were through holes I could have run through. When he's in the open field he's pretty good. Not fantastic, but pretty good.

As a returner tho...that's just about the only place that I see something. He's not real quick, but he always, ALWAYS somehow gets the first guy to miss, he's fearless, and he's tough as nails. Does that equate to potential to be a "special" player on returns? Dunno. I'd like to see him stay on the team and see what he has, but I don't have hopes of him being a star.

I do have to be honest...the comment about him being a novelty is more out of annoyance than anything else. All of the Hayne jerseys I see at Niner games these days drives me nuts, Dude has done NOTHING. It's just another bandwagon to me.

Popeyejones · Oct 28, 2015

^^^^ Oh yeah, I should have been more clear that I'm not a fan either, and that there are people wearing his jersey ( :lol: ) is just silly.

I really think he has one skillset: a bizarre ability to sliip tackles. He doesn't really juke in the way NFL players do and he doesn't really break tackles, but he slips tackles without wasting a lot of movement in a way that you just don't see from NFL players.

You're right that I'm being too hard on Mike Davis, but given the state of the 9ers line, so far I think, despite being totally unimpressed by him, Hayne has a chance at getting positive yardage that Bush and Davis don't simply because he can slip the first tackle in the backfield with a bit more regularity. FWIW he's also a pretty good receiver out of the backfield (or at least was in pre-season).

None of this should be taken as too complimentary though, as it's really just a bunch of statements about other players somehow sucking more than Hayne so far.

TBF I think he wasn't on the 46 against the Seahawks not because Bush was healthy, but because Hyde is hurt. For god knows what reason they still like Bush as their #2, and if Hyde had to go out and Bush continued the pattern of not being able to finish a game, they didn't want to be left with just Hayne (hence Davis getting the nod over him on the 46).

Not that I think it matters or that I get to make these decisions, but with Hyde and Davis active I honestly prefer Hayne over Bush on the 46 still (Hayne > at PR; they're both competent receivers out of the backfield; they both suck as runners and in pass protection; Hayne > at not getting knocked out of the game within 5 snaps).

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