Zach Miller Signs with Bears

Cyrus12 · Mar 14, 2016

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/14973 ... cago-bears

damn always hoped he would come back and play for us again...at least he could run block. :stirthepot:

sc85sis · Mar 14, 2016

Is it our Zach or the other one who's been with them for a while?

SeAhAwKeR4life · Mar 14, 2016

sc85sis":t2p9wizd said:
Is it our Zach or the other one who's been with them for a while?

Their Zach not ours....

The Chicago Bears agreed to terms on a two-year deal to re-sign tight end Zach Miller, the team announced Monday. Financial terms weren't disclosed.

Seahawk_Dan · Mar 14, 2016

sc85sis":5nfk3hx0 said:
Is it our Zach or the other one who's been with them for a while?

Not the former Seahawk Zach Miller, the other one.

Smellyman · Mar 14, 2016

Our Miller's body is done and has been for quite some time

Msfann · Mar 14, 2016

I think the OP was messing with you guys :lol:

MizzouHawkGal · Mar 14, 2016

sc85sis":20uwgur7 said:
Is it our Zach or the other one who's been with them for a while?

It's the other guy. He even made it obvious for you with the witch couldron emoticon. Gotta keep up honey.

Laloosh · Mar 14, 2016

I miss our Zach... and his blocking...

MizzouHawkGal · Mar 14, 2016

Laloosh":3036x03f said:
I miss our Zach... and his blocking...

Agreed but if we'd actually draft actual OL players...you know guys that actually have played the position since Pop Warner and can actually be proficient in the two types of blocking that is required to be decent at the position....who knows? It could be considered not so vital unless you're talking Gronkowski? And he's probably the best ever and our TE if healthy isn't far behind.

chris98251 · Mar 14, 2016

MizzouHawkGal":7hcjz1fi said:
Laloosh":7hcjz1fi said:

I miss our Zach... and his blocking...

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Agreed but if we'd actually draft actual OL players...you know guys that actually have played the position since Pop Warner and can actually be proficient in the two types of blocking that is required to be decent at the position....who knows? It could be considered not so vital unless you're talking Gronkowski? And he's probably the best ever and our TE if healthy isn't far behind.

Kellen Winslow, Ozzie Newsome, Mark Bavarro and some dude that played for KC I would put above Gronk and Graham, they were more complete TE's.

MizzouHawkGal · Mar 14, 2016

chris98251":2i646fmv said:
MizzouHawkGal":2i646fmv said:

Laloosh":2i646fmv said:

I miss our Zach... and his blocking...

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Agreed but if we'd actually draft actual OL players...you know guys that actually have played the position since Pop Warner and can actually be proficient in the two types of blocking that is required to be decent at the position....who knows? It could be considered not so vital unless you're talking Gronkowski? And he's probably the best ever and our TE if healthy isn't far behind.

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Kellen Winslow, Ozzie Newsome, Mark Bavarro and some dude that played for KC I would put above Gronk and Graham, they were more complete TE's.

Not Kellen Winslow we have this generation's version of him and he's better especially in a Don Coryell offense with Dan Fouts at the trigger. Mark Bavaro and Ozzie Newsome are right at Gronkowski level. But he has years to change that conversation empatheticly. And Tony G? He sucked at blocking also maybe the Seahawks should catch a clue and field an actual NFL OL like KC has since 1966.

chris98251 · Mar 14, 2016

MizzouHawkGal":2figzw0t said:
chris98251":2figzw0t said:

MizzouHawkGal":2figzw0t said:

Laloosh":2figzw0t said:

I miss our Zach... and his blocking...

Click to expand...

Agreed but if we'd actually draft actual OL players...you know guys that actually have played the position since Pop Warner and can actually be proficient in the two types of blocking that is required to be decent at the position....who knows? It could be considered not so vital unless you're talking Gronkowski? And he's probably the best ever and our TE if healthy isn't far behind.

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Kellen Winslow, Ozzie Newsome, Mark Bavarro and some dude that played for KC I would put above Gronk and Graham, they were more complete TE's.

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Not Kellen Winslow we have this generation's version of him and he's better especially in a Don Coryell offense with Dan Fouts at the trigger. Mark Bavaro and Ozzie Newsome are right at Gronkowski level. But he has years to change that conversation empatheticly.

Winslow was a man among boys, was good enough he didn't have to push off and powerful and faster, when he laid a block your teeth hurt, why Muncie ran so well there.

Those guys also did it with legitimate headhunters defending them.

MizzouHawkGal · Mar 14, 2016

Let's just agree to disagree and admit if Graham was in the offense Winslow was it's no question they are pretty much the same player and on the same tier. Jimmy proved he can run block just fine like Kellen but it wasn't their strength and stupid to ask them to do that as their primary job and value to the offense or team. That's why Gronkowski is special. He does it all under the CURRENT rules.

You know you have a bad OL when you have to use your TE like an OL guy while you have a quarterback that is at least as good as Steve Young while playing under rules that demand you must pass the ball and be able to do so in high leverage situations. You shouldn't have to use your TE like that sir.

Interestingly though it seems the Seahawks are moving a bit more closer to the concepts of that San Diego offense. More 3/4/5 sets and passing quick with deep kill shots....utilizing quick backs that still are willing to look and run though contact when needed but not the absolute focus.

In the end it really is all about what Jimmy and Kellen were asked to do and more importantly what Dan and Russ were asked to do. Dan was asked to do it all in an offense completely customized to him. Russ is finally going to be asked to do most of it but in an offense that is just starting to be customized to him.

chris98251 · Mar 14, 2016

MizzouHawkGal":3ehav2s9 said:
Let's just agree to disagree and admit if Graham was in the offense Winslow was it's no question they are pretty much the same player and on the same tier. Jimmy proved he can run block just fine like Kellen but it wasn't their strength and stupid to ask them to do that as their primary job and value to the offense or team. That's why Gronkowski is special. He does it all under the CURRENT rules.

You know you have a bad OL when you have to use your TE like an OL guy while you have a quarterback that is at least as good as Steve Young while playing under rules that demand you must pass the ball and be able to do so in high leverage situations. You shouldn't have to use your TE like that sir.

Interestingly though it seems the Seahawks are moving a bit more closer to the concepts of that San Diego offense. More 3/4/5 sets and passing quick with deep kill shots....utilizing quick backs that still are willing to look and run though contact when needed but not the absolute focus.

In the end it really is all about what Jimmy and Kellen were asked to do and more importantly what Dan and Russ were asked to do. Dan was asked to do it all in an offense completely customized to him. Russ is finally going to be asked to do most of it but in an offense that is just starting to be customized to him.

Graham could not carry Winslows or any of those others water bottle, we seen how he dodged being in the vicinity of Kam.

He is a good receiver but not a great TE.

MizzouHawkGal · Mar 14, 2016

chris98251":2b3fas6s said:
MizzouHawkGal":2b3fas6s said:

Let's just agree to disagree and admit if Graham was in the offense Winslow was it's no question they are pretty much the same player and on the same tier. Jimmy proved he can run block just fine like Kellen but it wasn't their strength and stupid to ask them to do that as their primary job and value to the offense or team. That's why Gronkowski is special. He does it all under the CURRENT rules.

You know you have a bad OL when you have to use your TE like an OL guy while you have a quarterback that is at least as good as Steve Young while playing under rules that demand you must pass the ball and be able to do so in high leverage situations. You shouldn't have to use your TE like that sir.

Interestingly though it seems the Seahawks are moving a bit more closer to the concepts of that San Diego offense. More 3/4/5 sets and passing quick with deep kill shots....utilizing quick backs that still are willing to look and run though contact when needed but not the absolute focus.

In the end it really is all about what Jimmy and Kellen were asked to do and more importantly what Dan and Russ were asked to do. Dan was asked to do it all in an offense completely customized to him. Russ is finally going to be asked to do most of it but in an offense that is just starting to be customized to him.

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Graham could not carry Winslows or any of those others water bottle, we seen how he dodged being in the vicinity of Kam.

He is a good receiver but not a great TE.

In today's NFL he's not only a good TE but borderline elite. The position requirements have changed Chris. Hence the need for the Seahawks to at least start shifting their priorities about the OL. It's all interconnected and the OL is the base. Your typical good TE is a decent blocker but that isn't the priority. The priority is some dude that makes big safeties like Chancellor look silly down the seams like that old injury plagued white Carolina TE. It's all about passing and Cam can't do that. Russell can and it's past time to quit fooling around with the OL and start rolling. Without asking your TE to play a crap OL.

We ruined Zach Miller for no good reason and that man was pretty much the second best old school TE of this current era by dictionary definition.

chris98251 · Mar 14, 2016

Completely disagree, the problem is that College isn't asking TE's to perform the same way, finding a TE that can both block and receive becomes more and more difficult. We asked Miller to Block more because of the huge deficiencies in our O Line, when cut lose such as the Atlanta game his whole game showed what a complete TE can do for you, and he did it with a messed up foot.

Given a TE that has the complete game and a decent O line your offense becomes much less predictable, why do you think we keep going back to the well trying to get one that has a complete game.

MizzouHawkGal · Mar 14, 2016

chris98251":1nz4wcyd said:
Completely disagree, the problem is that College isn't asking TE's to perform the same way, finding a TE that can both block and receive becomes more and more difficult. We asked Miller to Block more because of the huge deficiencies in our O Line, when cut lose such as the Atlanta game his whole game showed what a complete TE can do for you, and he did it with a messed up foot.

Given a TE that has the complete game and a decent O line your offense becomes much less predictable, why do you think we keep going back to the well trying to get one that has a complete game.

And keep striking out and when we have one we completely misuse him and basically end his career because we refuse to actually inv west in a NFL OL. Interconnected and now an actual priority given we have Ciara's man back there. Didn't Arizona, Green Bay, Pittsburgh among ten others clue you in? They actually have NFL OL's.

chris98251 · Mar 14, 2016

MizzouHawkGal":351zs5i3 said:
chris98251":351zs5i3 said:

Completely disagree, the problem is that College isn't asking TE's to perform the same way, finding a TE that can both block and receive becomes more and more difficult. We asked Miller to Block more because of the huge deficiencies in our O Line, when cut lose such as the Atlanta game his whole game showed what a complete TE can do for you, and he did it with a messed up foot.

Given a TE that has the complete game and a decent O line your offense becomes much less predictable, why do you think we keep going back to the well trying to get one that has a complete game.

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And keep striking out and when we have one we completely misuse him and basically end his career because we refuse to actually inv west in a NFL OL. Interconnected and now an actual priority given we have Ciara's man back there. Didn't Arizona, Green Bay, Pittsburgh among ten others clue you in? They actually have NFL OL's.

Not me that has to be clued in, many here have been saying that a decent line and a complete TE we would be much more dangerous.

MizzouHawkGal · Mar 14, 2016

chris98251":ecv76j6t said:
MizzouHawkGal":ecv76j6t said:

chris98251":ecv76j6t said:

Completely disagree, the problem is that College isn't asking TE's to perform the same way, finding a TE that can both block and receive becomes more and more difficult. We asked Miller to Block more because of the huge deficiencies in our O Line, when cut lose such as the Atlanta game his whole game showed what a complete TE can do for you, and he did it with a messed up foot.

Given a TE that has the complete game and a decent O line your offense becomes much less predictable, why do you think we keep going back to the well trying to get one that has a complete game.

Click to expand...

And keep striking out and when we have one we completely misuse him and basically end his career because we refuse to actually inv west in a NFL OL. Interconnected and now an actual priority given we have Ciara's man back there. Didn't Arizona, Green Bay, Pittsburgh among ten others clue you in? They actually have NFL OL's.

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Not me that has to be clued in, many here have been saying that a decent line and a complete TE we would be much more dangerous.

Dude, we aren't going to get that complete TE you're describing to me. So how about we refine the offense we actually have with the players we actually have and maybe draft another running back? While focusing on the issue going forward thanks to Donald. Interior OL and letting Wilson be Wilson without this bullshit of making one running back run it 30 times a game? Sorry but the Rams got Todd Gurley and we have Thomas Rawls. I figure we should figure out an alternate plan right? Like Russell passing it 30 times and Rawls and buddies running it 25-30 plays? Interesting thing about passing to run is that the game speeds up and more plays are run and you start looking like San Francisco under Montana and Young. Usually they didn't need great players except in core positions. OL being right after quarterback....curious.

chris98251 · Mar 14, 2016

Not worried about Gurley, we held him to about 59 yds last time we played, They had Steven Jackson before and he didn't do much either. You sound like you don't have confidence in Rawls, If he is sound I think he is going to make people worried more the Gurley with a weak QB.

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