Greg Hardy claims he never laid hands on any women.

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His word against nobody now since the victim didn't appear in court. He's taking full advantage if that point.

The fact he's still an FA says it all. He will eventually get picked up, but his value is diminished
 

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The thread from a year ago played out well.

Though im more tempted to judge him based off the stuff with the cowboys last year, I still think that him on our roster would put our pass rush on a WHOLE NOTHER LEVEL.

The Bottom line for me is that the woman was on cocaine and possibly other drugs and that he called the cops I believe.
 

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titan3131":4d4vwtbq said:
The thread from a year ago played out well.

Though im more tempted to judge him based off the stuff with the cowboys last year, I still think that him on our roster would put our pass rush on a WHOLE NOTHER LEVEL.

The Bottom line for me is that the woman was on cocaine and possibly other drugs and that he called the cops I believe.

And we could really use Aaron Hernandez's talent on the field to really help the offense take the next step.
 

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titan3131":34ei353h said:
The Bottom line for me is that the woman was on cocaine and possibly other drugs and that he called the cops I believe.


Clearly that's the main point of the story and all that should be considered.
 

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titan3131":2e5ydchz said:
The Bottom line for me is that the woman was on cocaine and possibly other drugs and that he called the cops I believe.

Good to see you get down to the real issue at hand here. :roll:
 

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I wouldn't hate it if the Hawks picked him up cheap, even though i generally do not want violent people on the team (other than football violence).

If legal issues get resolved he would be valuable, and if they don't then it would be a small mistake.

Doubt we would ever sign him, but i wouldn't protest
 

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Hasselbeck":2n8lhqm8 said:
titan3131":2n8lhqm8 said:
The Bottom line for me is that the woman was on cocaine and possibly other drugs and that he called the cops I believe.

Good to see you get down to the real issue at hand here. :roll:

Yup, Hardy's chick, (Nicole Holder) by most objective accounts was a coke-snorting, celebrity stalking gold-digging psychobitch. To me she checked most of the boxes for Borderline Personality Disorder. Her embellished account of whatever took place was ridiculous on its face. There was never a real court proceeding with actual evidence. Borderline women are specialists at false DV allegations.

Hardy still appears to be a jerk, and Carolina didn't seem interested in keeping him around at any cost. Just because he may be a jerk doesn't mean he's also a DV abuser.

I think he'd be a great signing for Seattle and a good fit in our D.
 

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Not too long ago, there was a local case where a guy was accused of sexual assault. He said it was consensual. Her roommate was noncommittal and ultimately the verdict was not guilty.

I don't place much credence in "scuttlebutt," but the rumor was that she really like him, and when all he wanted was sex, she turned on him.

The moral of the story? There are always 2 sides to the story. I try to let the courts determine the truth. They aren't always accurate, but a lot of truths come out in front of a Judge.

In this case, she decided to skip the hearing is that correct? That could mean it was false accusation, she got paid off, or she was too scared. Considering things, I don't think the latter was the case.

It's Greg Hardy's fault for associating with that kind of woman. But speaking from personal experience, some of them can have a siren-like allure to them. They're the most dangerous type of woman. You look back and ask "WTH was I thinking?"


I'd give him the benefit of the doubt in this case. He's definitely a hothead, but he's also passionate about the game. If he would play for league minimum with no guarantess so that I could cut him painlessly, I'd consider it, but only AFTER an extensive interview.
 

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ivotuk":btlngaf6 said:
Not too long ago, there was a local case where a guy was accused of sexual assault. He said it was consensual. Her roommate was noncommittal and ultimately the verdict was not guilty.

I don't place much credence in "scuttlebutt," but the rumor was that she really like him, and when all he wanted was sex, she turned on him.

The moral of the story? There are always 2 sides to the story. I try to let the courts determine the truth. They aren't always accurate, but a lot of truths come out in front of a Judge.

In this case, she decided to skip the hearing is that correct? That could mean it was false accusation, she got paid off, or she was too scared. Considering things, I don't think the latter was the case.

It's Greg Hardy's fault for associating with that kind of woman. But speaking from personal experience, some of them can have a siren-like allure to them. They're the most dangerous type of woman. You look back and ask "WTH was I thinking?"


I'd give him the benefit of the doubt in this case. He's definitely a hothead, but he's also passionate about the game. If he would play for league minimum with no guarantess so that I could cut him painlessly, I'd consider it, but only AFTER an extensive interview.

Lord knows I said some really similar things when the subject of the conversation was Ray McDonald...but man...really hard to ignore these:

Edit: We've had the pictures posted enough on the internet that we can do without here.
 

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ivotuk":2z1wju4j said:
Not too long ago, there was a local case where a guy was accused of sexual assault. He said it was consensual. Her roommate was noncommittal and ultimately the verdict was not guilty.

I don't place much credence in "scuttlebutt," but the rumor was that she really like him, and when all he wanted was sex, she turned on him.

The moral of the story? There are always 2 sides to the story. I try to let the courts determine the truth. They aren't always accurate, but a lot of truths come out in front of a Judge.

In this case, she decided to skip the hearing is that correct? That could mean it was false accusation, she got paid off, or she was too scared. Considering things, I don't think the latter was the case.


It's Greg Hardy's fault for associating with that kind of woman. But speaking from personal experience, some of them can have a siren-like allure to them. They're the most dangerous type of woman. You look back and ask "WTH was I thinking?"


I'd give him the benefit of the doubt in this case. He's definitely a hothead, but he's also passionate about the game. If he would play for league minimum with no guarantess so that I could cut him painlessly, I'd consider it, but only AFTER an extensive interview.

The photos take the Hardy story a bit further than your example. I do understand your point.

However, you also mention you like the courts to determine the truth and that truth comes out in front of a judge.
Hardy was convicted in court by a judge in a bench trial in which the accuser did testify. In NC you're allowed an automatic appeal in such a scenario and are allowed a second trial with a jury and the initial verdict is thrown out. The accuser didn't show up to a preliminary hearing in the second trial and the prosecution represented she received a civil settlement from Hardy. The case was then dismissed. He was never found "not guilty".
 

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The He said, She said on the domestic issues don't matter to me. Results on the field matter, off the field personal stuff?, not sure why I should care.

What I do care about is that apparently he was blowing off meetings in Dallas and just being uncooperative and a jerk.

Is he at times a tremendous player? Absolutely.

Would he be an asset if he could play for the Seahawks like he did for Carolina?

Sure.

Do I expect he would considering he was lazy and entitled his entire time as a Dallas Cowboy and underperformed (a true feat that) vs other players? No.

So those are the salient issues.

He has a high chance of not helping the Seahawks as a player. I would take a flyer on him if they could somehow make him be a respectful locker room presence but that is asking a great deal.
 

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I would hope DV and unlawful, criminal or plain immoral behavior off the field plays a more significant role in determining the usefulness of an NFL player than what some of us are wanting it to.

I never saw this as a "He said, she said" situation and am surprised others continue to tug on that line. Basis4day summed it up pretty well. His innocence was secured by the fact that his victim has as poor of character as he does.

Drawing parallels to Hardy and people you know is a blanket I wouldn't want keeping me warm.
To each his own, I suppose.
 
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