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Re: Why 49ers drafted Buckner....
Wed May 25, 2016 9:29 am
  • NINEster wrote:Navorro Bowman was nowhere to be found in that video. I'd rather go GIF, but Bowman has gotten to Wilson more times than you'll wish to admit. The videos are out there.

    And Wilson making a big play scrambling play once means it happens all the time?

    Like Kap's 50 yard run in the 2013 NFCC....big plays are bound to happen if you have the speed.


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    Edit: Bowman gotten to Wilson more times than we'd wish to admit? Someone hasn't been watching Seattle's offensive line for the past few seasons. Your name doesn't have to be Navaro Bowman to get to Russell Wilson (see sack numbers for Wilson).
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Re: Why 49ers drafted Buckner....
Wed May 25, 2016 10:00 am
  • NINEster wrote:Navorro Bowman was nowhere to be found in that video. I'd rather go GIF, but Bowman has gotten to Wilson more times than you'll wish to admit. The videos are out there.

    And Wilson making a big play scrambling play once means it happens all the time?

    Like Kap's 50 yard run in the 2013 NFCC....big plays are bound to happen if you have the speed.


    I'll admit once...are there more?
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Re: Why 49ers drafted Buckner....
Wed May 25, 2016 10:29 am
  • Facts:

    1. Seahawks absorbed only 27m of Graham's deal. Only 9 apy. Considering a rookie at the Seahawks slot in that draft would have made about $2m per year. Hypothetical, Graham only cost the Seahawks about 19m in new money not to mention the $3m Seahawks saved in trading Unger. So it's really only 16m.

    If you pretty much can get a player like Graham for only 16m in new money across 3 years that's a pretty good deal.

    2. Zach Miller was cut after heading into his 5th season with the Seahawks. Seahawks got 3 good years out of him. His deal was front loaded and reworked for the last two years to be significantly lower. That was probably by design. Unfortunately Zach hurt his ankle his 4th year and couldn't come back from it.

    However, Seahawks likely wouldn't have got to the SB, if it weren't for Miller's elite blocking ability during a season in which Okung and Giacomini collectively missed 17 (9.5/7.5) games in 2013. Surviving on McQuistan and a 7th round rookie in Michael Bowie at tackle.

    For that season alone Miller earned whatever his contract was worth because he was arguably the most important blocker that season.
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Re: Why 49ers drafted Buckner....
Wed May 25, 2016 11:07 am
  • Cool story bro.

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Re: Why 49ers drafted Buckner....
Wed May 25, 2016 1:20 pm
  • NINEster wrote:Navorro Bowman was nowhere to be found in that video. I'd rather go GIF, but Bowman has gotten to Wilson more times than you'll wish to admit. The videos are out there.

    And Wilson making a big play scrambling play once means it happens all the time?

    Like Kap's 50 yard run in the 2013 NFCC....big plays are bound to happen if you have the speed.


    Your retorts at this point are laughable (well maybe not "at this point"). Bowman was one of my favorite players prior to his injury, but it doesn't take an expert to recognize that he isn't the player he once was.

    As far as Wilson and his big play scrambling ability, that pretty much does happen all the time - I'd wager at least one good play a game and is obviously part of his overall skillset.

    Kap has had a few good runs as well, but we're talking apples to oranges here, considering he's not even your starter. Why don't you throw Gabbert's success against us as it'd be more relevant (oh right, because he also sucks).
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Re: Why 49ers drafted Buckner....
Wed May 25, 2016 1:45 pm
  • Sports Hernia wrote:Cool story bro.

    Wanna trade rosters???


    No.

    Only a fake fan would ever want to root for another team over his, especially a rival.

    BTW, if you track the thread carefully, the Bowman is comment is in response to ducati asking for a GIF of Wilson embarrassing him....something that never happened.

    There isn't much if any unsolicited trash talk coming from Niner fans.
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Re: Why 49ers drafted Buckner....
Wed May 25, 2016 1:48 pm
  • rideaducati wrote:
    NINEster wrote:Navorro Bowman was nowhere to be found in that video. I'd rather go GIF, but Bowman has gotten to Wilson more times than you'll wish to admit. The videos are out there.

    And Wilson making a big play scrambling play once means it happens all the time?

    Like Kap's 50 yard run in the 2013 NFCC....big plays are bound to happen if you have the speed.


    I'll admit once...are there more?


    In addition to the Wilson Hunt around 30 seconds in, there is a nice sideline chase of Wilson by Bowman and a blitz sack right before the 1 minute mark.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xZodKuBv5c4
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Re: Why 49ers drafted Buckner....
Wed May 25, 2016 1:55 pm
  • Archer wrote:
    NINEster wrote:Navorro Bowman was nowhere to be found in that video. I'd rather go GIF, but Bowman has gotten to Wilson more times than you'll wish to admit. The videos are out there.

    And Wilson making a big play scrambling play once means it happens all the time?

    Like Kap's 50 yard run in the 2013 NFCC....big plays are bound to happen if you have the speed.


    Your retorts at this point are laughable (well maybe not "at this point"). Bowman was one of my favorite players prior to his injury, but it doesn't take an expert to recognize that he isn't the player he once was.

    As far as Wilson and his big play scrambling ability, that pretty much does happen all the time - I'd wager at least one good play a game and is obviously part of his overall skillset.

    Kap has had a few good runs as well, but we're talking apples to oranges here, considering he's not even your starter. Why don't you throw Gabbert's success against us as it'd be more relevant (oh right, because he also sucks).


    Bowman is having a really good OTA. Reports are that he's in better shape than last year. No guarantees of course, but to write him off as never being great again is something nobody can predict right now.

    Gabbert threw for the most yards at the Link for a Niner QB in quite a few seasons, maybe since Alex Smith 2011.....didn't he have a 2 minute TD drive to end the first half at the Link last season?

    It's pretty funny the narrative at how poorly perceived these two Niner QBs are.

    Anyways, getting back to the thread at hand........this is all about getting to Wilson.

    Weeks 2 and 3 should be fun to see how well the NFC West gets to him early in the season.
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Re: Why 49ers drafted Buckner....
Wed May 25, 2016 1:58 pm
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    NINEster wrote:Navorro Bowman was nowhere to be found in that video. I'd rather go GIF, but Bowman has gotten to Wilson more times than you'll wish to admit. The videos are out there.

    And Wilson making a big play scrambling play once means it happens all the time?

    Like Kap's 50 yard run in the 2013 NFCC....big plays are bound to happen if you have the speed.


    Your retorts at this point are laughable (well maybe not "at this point"). Bowman was one of my favorite players prior to his injury, but it doesn't take an expert to recognize that he isn't the player he once was.

    As far as Wilson and his big play scrambling ability, that pretty much does happen all the time - I'd wager at least one good play a game and is obviously part of his overall skillset.

    Kap has had a few good runs as well, but we're talking apples to oranges here, considering he's not even your starter. Why don't you throw Gabbert's success against us as it'd be more relevant (oh right, because he also sucks).


    I'd agree that LAST YEAR he wasn't the same guy, but tough to really put that on him as it was his first year back from a severe injury. I never expected him to be the same guy in year one back on the field...and yet he still led the NFL in Tackles.

    The real test is how he looks THIS year.
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Re: Why 49ers drafted Buckner....
Wed May 25, 2016 2:06 pm
  • NINEster wrote:Anyways, getting back to the thread at hand........this is all about getting to Wilson.

    Weeks 2 and 3 should be fun to see how well the NFC West gets to him early in the season.


    Yeah, "early in the season" being the key. With three to four new starters, I don't imagine it'll be the 90's Cowboys on that offensive line.
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Re: Why 49ers drafted Buckner....
Wed May 25, 2016 6:25 pm
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    Sports Hernia wrote:Cool story bro.

    Wanna trade rosters???


    No.

    Only a fake fan would ever want to root for another team over his, especially a rival.

    BTW, if you track the thread carefully, the Bowman is comment is in response to ducati asking for a GIF of Wilson embarrassing him....something that never happened.

    There isn't much if any unsolicited trash talk coming from Niner fans.

    You missed my point entirely.
    When I asked "do you want to trade rosters?" I was speaking about the pure talent on both squads. Take the teams that both sides rosters play for and those players personalities out of it. I meant would rather have Seattle's talent loaded roster, over the Niners much less talented group?

    If you say the Niner's it's a foolish and homeristic response, but an expected one. 8)
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Re: Why 49ers drafted Buckner....
Thu May 26, 2016 7:27 am
  • Sports Hernia wrote:
    NINEster wrote:
    Sports Hernia wrote:Cool story bro.

    Wanna trade rosters???


    No.

    Only a fake fan would ever want to root for another team over his, especially a rival.

    BTW, if you track the thread carefully, the Bowman is comment is in response to ducati asking for a GIF of Wilson embarrassing him....something that never happened.

    There isn't much if any unsolicited trash talk coming from Niner fans.

    You missed my point entirely.
    When I asked "do you want to trade rosters?" I was speaking about the pure talent on both squads. Take the teams that both sides rosters play for and those players personalities out of it. I meant would rather have Seattle's talent loaded roster, over the Niners much less talented group?

    If you say the Niner's it's a foolish and homeristic response, but an expected one. 8)


    Sure.

    You have the better roster right now.

    You happy? LOL.

    (Still don't want your team.......or Rams......or Patriots......or Packers, etc). And everything is temporary in this league, so we'll see what's up 2-3 years from now.

    And I don't want Russell Wilson either, because we're at least 3-4 years away from having an awesome defense again. :mrgreen:

    But here's the reality.....

    Most of you guys wouldn't even yield a position group to the Niners...now or even in the Harbaugh days.

    Front 7, linebacking corps......most here would feel the Hawks were better always.

    That's the real homer response.
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Re: Why 49ers drafted Buckner....
Thu May 26, 2016 8:12 am
  • I laugh until I cry with the comments about Wilson being reliant on the defense. They keep saying it though...

    I'm sure Buckner will own Russ; He is tall and Russ is short...
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Re: Why 49ers drafted Buckner....
Thu May 26, 2016 8:47 am
  • NINEster wrote:
    Sports Hernia wrote:
    NINEster wrote:
    Sports Hernia wrote:Cool story bro.

    Wanna trade rosters???


    No.

    Only a fake fan would ever want to root for another team over his, especially a rival.

    BTW, if you track the thread carefully, the Bowman is comment is in response to ducati asking for a GIF of Wilson embarrassing him....something that never happened.

    There isn't much if any unsolicited trash talk coming from Niner fans.

    You missed my point entirely.
    When I asked "do you want to trade rosters?" I was speaking about the pure talent on both squads. Take the teams that both sides rosters play for and those players personalities out of it. I meant would rather have Seattle's talent loaded roster, over the Niners much less talented group?

    If you say the Niner's it's a foolish and homeristic response, but an expected one. 8)


    Sure.

    You have the better roster right now.

    You happy? LOL.

    (Still don't want your team.......or Rams......or Patriots......or Packers, etc). And everything is temporary in this league, so we'll see what's up 2-3 years from now.

    And I don't want Russell Wilson either, because we're at least 3-4 years away from having an awesome defense again. :mrgreen:

    But here's the reality.....

    Most of you guys wouldn't even yield a position group to the Niners...now or even in the Harbaugh days.

    Front 7, linebacking corps......most here would feel the Hawks were better always.

    That's the real homer response.


    I don't know of anyone who believes our front 4 were better than when Cowboy and Raymac were lined up or a better O-line when Iupati and Davis were part of it. Actually any O-line combination.

    Your LB's are good. Willis and Bowman but not near the level 9er fans believe. That was more a function of the front four that kept them clean and allowed them to play free. They were very good but IMO not transendant talent like Cowboy was.

    Why do you think Baalke drafted Buckner and Armestad? That's pretty much the premise of this thread.

    Not wanting Wilson for any reason when you have Gabbert and Kaep is as homer as it gets. Defense has zero to do with it but if you think the defense is what is making Wilson successful well maybe you can get more homer.
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Re: Why 49ers drafted Buckner....
Thu May 26, 2016 10:49 am
  • Laloosh wrote:I laugh until I cry with the comments about Wilson being reliant on the defense. They keep saying it though...

    I'm sure Buckner will own Russ; He is tall and Russ is short...

    Just trading QBs would put both teams in the neighborhood of 8-8. That's how important the position is and how good Russ is.
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Re: Why 49ers drafted Buckner....
Thu May 26, 2016 11:28 am
  • Laloosh wrote:I laugh until I cry with the comments about Wilson being reliant on the defense. They keep saying it though...

    I'm sure Buckner will own Russ; He is tall and Russ is short...


    I don't think anyone will OWN Wilson, but I also don't think its a coincidense that the 49ers will likely rush 4 guys on passing downs who are 6'7" with 34 inch arms (and 11.25 inch hands...freakin mutant, lol - Buckner), 6'7" with 33 inch arms (Armstead), 6'4" with nearly 35 inch arms (Carradine), and 6'5" with 34 inch arms (Lynch).

    Nobody is saying anything about domination, but it doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that tall players with long arms rushing a 5'11" QB might create some issues.

    ...and before anyone says anything...while those players were most certainly drafted with Wilson in mind, that doesn't mean they would ONLY be good against Wilson. I like the idea of The Two Towers....IE, two 6'7" 3-4 DEs on base downs.
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Re: Why 49ers drafted Buckner....
Thu May 26, 2016 11:30 am
  • RichNhansom wrote:Not wanting Wilson for any reason when you have Gabbert and Kaep is as homer as it gets. Defense has zero to do with it but if you think the defense is what is making Wilson successful well maybe you can get more homer.


    It's funny because Seattle's defense literally faced the fewest number of offensive snaps in the league while the offense was around 3rd in most snaps.

    The two work well together, hence the result but don't try to tell Niner fans that Wilson and that offense help the defense in kind.

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Re: Why 49ers drafted Buckner....
Thu May 26, 2016 11:58 am
  • NINEster wrote:Navorro Bowman was nowhere to be found in that video. I'd rather go GIF, but Bowman has gotten to Wilson more times than you'll wish to admit. The videos are out there.

    And Wilson making a big play scrambling play once means it happens all the time?

    Like Kap's 50 yard run in the 2013 NFCC....big plays are bound to happen if you have the speed.


    :lol: Like that is any saving grace for your team. Good luck, since you will be looking up from below once again.
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Re: Why 49ers drafted Buckner....
Thu May 26, 2016 1:10 pm
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    NINEster wrote:Navorro Bowman was nowhere to be found in that video. I'd rather go GIF, but Bowman has gotten to Wilson more times than you'll wish to admit. The videos are out there.

    And Wilson making a big play scrambling play once means it happens all the time?

    Like Kap's 50 yard run in the 2013 NFCC....big plays are bound to happen if you have the speed.


    :lol: Like that is any saving grace for your team. Good luck, since you will be looking up from below once again.


    I wonder how many big plays Kaepernick will make on the bench. I'm sure it's bound to happen though.
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Re: Why 49ers drafted Buckner....
Thu May 26, 2016 1:45 pm
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    Laloosh wrote:I laugh until I cry with the comments about Wilson being reliant on the defense. They keep saying it though...

    I'm sure Buckner will own Russ; He is tall and Russ is short...


    I don't think anyone will OWN Wilson, but I also don't think its a coincidense that the 49ers will likely rush 4 guys on passing downs who are 6'7" with 34 inch arms (and 11.25 inch hands...freakin mutant, lol - Buckner), 6'7" with 33 inch arms (Armstead), 6'4" with nearly 35 inch arms (Carradine), and 6'5" with 34 inch arms (Lynch).

    Nobody is saying anything about domination, but it doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that tall players with long arms rushing a 5'11" QB might create some issues.

    ...and before anyone says anything...while those players were most certainly drafted with Wilson in mind, that doesn't mean they would ONLY be good against Wilson. I like the idea of The Two Towers....IE, two 6'7" 3-4 DEs on base downs.


    Should put those guys in the secondary. I hear tall CBs are all the rage right now.

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Re: Why 49ers drafted Buckner....
Thu May 26, 2016 2:59 pm
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    I don't know of anyone who believes our front 4 were better than when Cowboy and Raymac were lined up or a better O-line when Iupati and Davis were part of it. Actually any O-line combination.

    Your LB's are good. Willis and Bowman but not near the level 9er fans believe. That was more a function of the front four that kept them clean and allowed them to play free. They were very good but IMO not transendant talent like Cowboy was.

    Why do you think Baalke drafted Buckner and Armestad? That's pretty much the premise of this thread.

    Not wanting Wilson for any reason when you have Gabbert and Kaep is as homer as it gets. Defense has zero to do with it but if you think the defense is what is making Wilson successful well maybe you can get more homer.


    Get outta here with the Willis and Bowman comments. They were great LBs, and when Justin was around even better. Willis was defensive rookie of the year and did more pre-Fangio than Luke and Bobby have done so far.

    If not, then people gotta stop *mod edit* Luke and Bobby.

    As far as Wilson, it's more of.......he's not adding much to the win count to the 2016 49ers....and no need to have anyone who isn't a top 5 QB in the league on this current team anyways.

    We've never seen Wilson play on a remotely bad or average team so far. The only other QBs who have had this fortune are Brady, Rodgers, Dalton, and Peyton Manning the last 10-12 years. Rivers, Roethlisberger, Ryan, Flacco, Kap, Newton, Eli, Palmer, Alex Smith have all played on some bad teams from time to time. You think Wilson would have done any better on those teams than those guys? LOL.

    When it comes down to it, 49ers vs. Seahawks when the rivalry was good.....Niners had a bit more talent, Hawks had a bit better coaching, and that kept the two pretty even except in Seattle.
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Re: Why 49ers drafted Buckner....
Thu May 26, 2016 3:02 pm
  • Laloosh wrote:
    RichNhansom wrote:Not wanting Wilson for any reason when you have Gabbert and Kaep is as homer as it gets. Defense has zero to do with it but if you think the defense is what is making Wilson successful well maybe you can get more homer.


    It's funny because Seattle's defense literally faced the fewest number of offensive snaps in the league while the offense was around 3rd in most snaps.

    The two work well together, hence the result but don't try to tell Niner fans that Wilson and that offense help the defense in kind.

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    Of course you're gonna face the fewest number of snaps when you force a lot of punts and get turnovers. That's what good defenses do.

    The 2011 49ers forced 38 turnovers, and produced a 13-3 record when with normal bounce of the ball and that year's offensive production should have been 9 or 10 win season.

    Wilson and that run game are good ball control.
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Re: Why 49ers drafted Buckner....
Thu May 26, 2016 3:04 pm
  • hawksfansinceday1 wrote:
    Laloosh wrote:I laugh until I cry with the comments about Wilson being reliant on the defense. They keep saying it though...

    I'm sure Buckner will own Russ; He is tall and Russ is short...

    Just trading QBs would put both teams in the neighborhood of 8-8. That's how important the position is and how good Russ is.
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    Oh wait, with Chippy as the HC even Russ might not get Santa Clara to 8-8. Not sure even Joe Montana could.


    Chippy got Nick Foles' 7 TD jersey into the Pro Football Hall of Fame. I have a picture of it.

    Chippy is good.
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Re: Why 49ers drafted Buckner....
Thu May 26, 2016 3:16 pm
  • NINEster wrote:
    RichNhansom wrote:
    I don't know of anyone who believes our front 4 were better than when Cowboy and Raymac were lined up or a better O-line when Iupati and Davis were part of it. Actually any O-line combination.

    Your LB's are good. Willis and Bowman but not near the level 9er fans believe. That was more a function of the front four that kept them clean and allowed them to play free. They were very good but IMO not transendant talent like Cowboy was.

    Why do you think Baalke drafted Buckner and Armestad? That's pretty much the premise of this thread.

    Not wanting Wilson for any reason when you have Gabbert and Kaep is as homer as it gets. Defense has zero to do with it but if you think the defense is what is making Wilson successful well maybe you can get more homer.


    Get outta here with the Willis and Bowman comments. They were great LBs, and when Justin was around even better. Willis was defensive rookie of the year and did more pre-Fangio than Luke and Bobby have done so far.

    If not, then people gotta stop *mod edit* Luke and Bobby.

    As far as Wilson, it's more of.......he's not adding much to the win count to the 2016 49ers....and no need to have anyone who isn't a top 5 QB in the league on this current team anyways.

    We've never seen Wilson play on a remotely bad or average team so far. The only other QBs who have had this fortune are Brady, Rodgers, Dalton, and Peyton Manning the last 10-12 years. Rivers, Roethlisberger, Ryan, Flacco, Kap, Newton, Eli, Palmer, Alex Smith have all played on some bad teams from time to time. You think Wilson would have done any better on those teams than those guys? LOL.

    When it comes down to it, 49ers vs. Seahawks when the rivalry was good.....Niners had a bit more talent, Hawks had a bit better coaching, and that kept the two pretty even except in Seattle.


    Yeah...didn't even know where to start on that one.

    First off they didn't have a front 4 in front of them. They ran a 3-4 defense which inherantly means your ILBs are going to have to wade through more traffic than a MLB in a 4-3. Did Justin and McDonald make a difference for those ILBs? Of course they did...but two things can be equally true. IMO that was one of the best front 7s in NFL history for a few years there.

    Is Baalke trying to somewhat replace those DEs for their current LBs? Sure he is...but they didn't have either of them last year and Bowman STILL led the NFL in tackles and was elected All-Pro while still not completely healthy in year one of his return.

    Pat? Nobody will ever convince me that in his prime Pat wasn't one of the best ILBS this game has ever seen. He was great long before the team was great. IMO only his short career will keep him out of the HoF.
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Re: Why 49ers drafted Buckner....
Thu May 26, 2016 3:21 pm
  • Laloosh wrote:
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    Laloosh wrote:I laugh until I cry with the comments about Wilson being reliant on the defense. They keep saying it though...

    I'm sure Buckner will own Russ; He is tall and Russ is short...


    I don't think anyone will OWN Wilson, but I also don't think its a coincidense that the 49ers will likely rush 4 guys on passing downs who are 6'7" with 34 inch arms (and 11.25 inch hands...freakin mutant, lol - Buckner), 6'7" with 33 inch arms (Armstead), 6'4" with nearly 35 inch arms (Carradine), and 6'5" with 34 inch arms (Lynch).

    Nobody is saying anything about domination, but it doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that tall players with long arms rushing a 5'11" QB might create some issues.

    ...and before anyone says anything...while those players were most certainly drafted with Wilson in mind, that doesn't mean they would ONLY be good against Wilson. I like the idea of The Two Towers....IE, two 6'7" 3-4 DEs on base downs.


    Should put those guys in the secondary. I hear tall CBs are all the rage right now.

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    They keep trying to draft height in the secondary, but it doesn't always work. They don't all end up being Richard Sherman. :)

    They'd tried to sign Sean Smith TWICE now and failed both times, they have drafted 2 corners over 6'1" (Robinson, Johnson)...there just aren't alot of good ones out there.
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Re: Why 49ers drafted Buckner....
Thu May 26, 2016 3:47 pm
  • NINEster wrote:
    RichNhansom wrote:
    I don't know of anyone who believes our front 4 were better than when Cowboy and Raymac were lined up or a better O-line when Iupati and Davis were part of it. Actually any O-line combination.

    Your LB's are good. Willis and Bowman but not near the level 9er fans believe. That was more a function of the front four that kept them clean and allowed them to play free. They were very good but IMO not transendant talent like Cowboy was.

    Why do you think Baalke drafted Buckner and Armestad? That's pretty much the premise of this thread.

    Not wanting Wilson for any reason when you have Gabbert and Kaep is as homer as it gets. Defense has zero to do with it but if you think the defense is what is making Wilson successful well maybe you can get more homer.


    Get outta here with the Willis and Bowman comments. They were great LBs, and when Justin was around even better. Willis was defensive rookie of the year and did more pre-Fangio than Luke and Bobby have done so far.

    If not, then people gotta stop *mod edit* Luke and Bobby.

    As far as Wilson, it's more of.......he's not adding much to the win count to the 2016 49ers....and no need to have anyone who isn't a top 5 QB in the league on this current team anyways.

    We've never seen Wilson play on a remotely bad or average team so far. The only other QBs who have had this fortune are Brady, Rodgers, Dalton, and Peyton Manning the last 10-12 years. Rivers, Roethlisberger, Ryan, Flacco, Kap, Newton, Eli, Palmer, Alex Smith have all played on some bad teams from time to time. You think Wilson would have done any better on those teams than those guys? LOL.

    When it comes down to it, 49ers vs. Seahawks when the rivalry was good.....Niners had a bit more talent, Hawks had a bit better coaching, and that kept the two pretty even except in Seattle.


    Thanks for the laugh. Putting Alex Smith and Keeporpick on your list and actually believing Russell wouldn't have done better made my drink come out my nose. I'd like "Things only niner fans say" for $200, Alex. Chiefs fans don't even believe that crap.

    It's great that the niners had all those GREAT players and we all got to see them waste their careers in Frisco. I rather enjoyed that.
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Re: Why 49ers drafted Buckner....
Thu May 26, 2016 3:50 pm
  • NINEster wrote:
    Laloosh wrote:
    RichNhansom wrote:Not wanting Wilson for any reason when you have Gabbert and Kaep is as homer as it gets. Defense has zero to do with it but if you think the defense is what is making Wilson successful well maybe you can get more homer.


    It's funny because Seattle's defense literally faced the fewest number of offensive snaps in the league while the offense was around 3rd in most snaps.

    The two work well together, hence the result but don't try to tell Niner fans that Wilson and that offense help the defense in kind.

    Edit: Buckner


    Of course you're gonna face the fewest number of snaps when you force a lot of punts and get turnovers. That's what good defenses do.

    The 2011 49ers forced 38 turnovers, and produced a 13-3 record when with normal bounce of the ball and that year's offensive production should have been 9 or 10 win season.

    Wilson and that run game are good ball control.


    Forced punts and turnovers?

    So the defense didn't force turnovers and forced as many punts as the freaking Colts. Also finished 8th in scoring percentage.

    Meanwhile the offense is 4th in scoring, 4th in scoring percentage and 5th in turnover percentage.

    Your theory about the defense carrying the offense is bullet proof!
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Re: Why 49ers drafted Buckner....
Thu May 26, 2016 4:07 pm
  • rideaducati wrote:
    NINEster wrote:
    RichNhansom wrote:
    I don't know of anyone who believes our front 4 were better than when Cowboy and Raymac were lined up or a better O-line when Iupati and Davis were part of it. Actually any O-line combination.

    Your LB's are good. Willis and Bowman but not near the level 9er fans believe. That was more a function of the front four that kept them clean and allowed them to play free. They were very good but IMO not transendant talent like Cowboy was.

    Why do you think Baalke drafted Buckner and Armestad? That's pretty much the premise of this thread.

    Not wanting Wilson for any reason when you have Gabbert and Kaep is as homer as it gets. Defense has zero to do with it but if you think the defense is what is making Wilson successful well maybe you can get more homer.


    Get outta here with the Willis and Bowman comments. They were great LBs, and when Justin was around even better. Willis was defensive rookie of the year and did more pre-Fangio than Luke and Bobby have done so far.

    If not, then people gotta stop blowing Luke and Bobby.

    As far as Wilson, it's more of.......he's not adding much to the win count to the 2016 49ers....and no need to have anyone who isn't a top 5 QB in the league on this current team anyways.

    We've never seen Wilson play on a remotely bad or average team so far. The only other QBs who have had this fortune are Brady, Rodgers, Dalton, and Peyton Manning the last 10-12 years. Rivers, Roethlisberger, Ryan, Flacco, Kap, Newton, Eli, Palmer, Alex Smith have all played on some bad teams from time to time. You think Wilson would have done any better on those teams than those guys? LOL.

    When it comes down to it, 49ers vs. Seahawks when the rivalry was good.....Niners had a bit more talent, Hawks had a bit better coaching, and that kept the two pretty even except in Seattle.


    Thanks for the laugh. Putting Alex Smith and Keeporpick on your list and actually believing Russell wouldn't have done better made my drink come out my nose. I'd like "Things only niner fans say" for $200, Alex. Chiefs fans don't even believe that crap.

    It's great that the niners had all those GREAT players and we all got to see them waste their careers in Frisco. I rather enjoyed that.



    Funny...thats kinda how I felt about Steve Largent, Walter Jones, Cortez Kennedy and Shaun Alexander.

    Weird. :D

    (Hey man, he started it. :-P )
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Re: Why 49ers drafted Buckner....
Thu May 26, 2016 4:14 pm
  • Marvin49 wrote:
    rideaducati wrote:
    NINEster wrote:
    RichNhansom wrote:
    I don't know of anyone who believes our front 4 were better than when Cowboy and Raymac were lined up or a better O-line when Iupati and Davis were part of it. Actually any O-line combination.

    Your LB's are good. Willis and Bowman but not near the level 9er fans believe. That was more a function of the front four that kept them clean and allowed them to play free. They were very good but IMO not transendant talent like Cowboy was.

    Why do you think Baalke drafted Buckner and Armestad? That's pretty much the premise of this thread.

    Not wanting Wilson for any reason when you have Gabbert and Kaep is as homer as it gets. Defense has zero to do with it but if you think the defense is what is making Wilson successful well maybe you can get more homer.


    Get outta here with the Willis and Bowman comments. They were great LBs, and when Justin was around even better. Willis was defensive rookie of the year and did more pre-Fangio than Luke and Bobby have done so far.

    If not, then people gotta stop blowing Luke and Bobby.

    As far as Wilson, it's more of.......he's not adding much to the win count to the 2016 49ers....and no need to have anyone who isn't a top 5 QB in the league on this current team anyways.

    We've never seen Wilson play on a remotely bad or average team so far. The only other QBs who have had this fortune are Brady, Rodgers, Dalton, and Peyton Manning the last 10-12 years. Rivers, Roethlisberger, Ryan, Flacco, Kap, Newton, Eli, Palmer, Alex Smith have all played on some bad teams from time to time. You think Wilson would have done any better on those teams than those guys? LOL.

    When it comes down to it, 49ers vs. Seahawks when the rivalry was good.....Niners had a bit more talent, Hawks had a bit better coaching, and that kept the two pretty even except in Seattle.


    Thanks for the laugh. Putting Alex Smith and Keeporpick on your list and actually believing Russell wouldn't have done better made my drink come out my nose. I'd like "Things only niner fans say" for $200, Alex. Chiefs fans don't even believe that crap.

    It's great that the niners had all those GREAT players and we all got to see them waste their careers in Frisco. I rather enjoyed that.



    Funny...thats kinda how I felt about Steve Largent, Walter Jones, Cortez Kennedy and Shaun Alexander.

    Weird. :D

    (Hey man, he started it. :-P )


    He probably isn't old enough to have seen many of them play. The way he is talking it's as if the niners had a whole lot more great players on their roster than the Seahawks ever had cumulatively yet still did nothing.
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Re: Why 49ers drafted Buckner....
Thu May 26, 2016 5:07 pm
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    hawksfansinceday1 wrote:
    Laloosh wrote:I laugh until I cry with the comments about Wilson being reliant on the defense. They keep saying it though...

    I'm sure Buckner will own Russ; He is tall and Russ is short...

    Just trading QBs would put both teams in the neighborhood of 8-8. That's how important the position is and how good Russ is.
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    Oh wait, with Chippy as the HC even Russ might not get Santa Clara to 8-8. Not sure even Joe Montana could.


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Re: Why 49ers drafted Buckner....
Thu May 26, 2016 5:15 pm
  • rideaducati wrote:
    Marvin49 wrote:
    rideaducati wrote:
    NINEster wrote:
    I don't know of anyone who believes our front 4 were better than when Cowboy and Raymac were lined up or a better O-line when Iupati and Davis were part of it. Actually any O-line combination.

    Your LB's are good. Willis and Bowman but not near the level 9er fans believe. That was more a function of the front four that kept them clean and allowed them to play free. They were very good but IMO not transendant talent like Cowboy was.

    Why do you think Baalke drafted Buckner and Armestad? That's pretty much the premise of this thread.

    Not wanting Wilson for any reason when you have Gabbert and Kaep is as homer as it gets. Defense has zero to do with it but if you think the defense is what is making Wilson successful well maybe you can get more homer.


    Get outta here with the Willis and Bowman comments. They were great LBs, and when Justin was around even better. Willis was defensive rookie of the year and did more pre-Fangio than Luke and Bobby have done so far.

    If not, then people gotta stop blowing Luke and Bobby.

    As far as Wilson, it's more of.......he's not adding much to the win count to the 2016 49ers....and no need to have anyone who isn't a top 5 QB in the league on this current team anyways.

    We've never seen Wilson play on a remotely bad or average team so far. The only other QBs who have had this fortune are Brady, Rodgers, Dalton, and Peyton Manning the last 10-12 years. Rivers, Roethlisberger, Ryan, Flacco, Kap, Newton, Eli, Palmer, Alex Smith have all played on some bad teams from time to time. You think Wilson would have done any better on those teams than those guys? LOL.

    When it comes down to it, 49ers vs. Seahawks when the rivalry was good.....Niners had a bit more talent, Hawks had a bit better coaching, and that kept the two pretty even except in Seattle.


    Thanks for the laugh. Putting Alex Smith and Keeporpick on your list and actually believing Russell wouldn't have done better made my drink come out my nose. I'd like "Things only niner fans say" for $200, Alex. Chiefs fans don't even believe that crap.

    It's great that the niners had all those GREAT players and we all got to see them waste their careers in Frisco. I rather enjoyed that.



    Funny...thats kinda how I felt about Steve Largent, Walter Jones, Cortez Kennedy and Shaun Alexander.

    Weird. :D

    (Hey man, he started it. :-P )

    He probably isn't old enough to have seen many of them play. The way he is talking it's as if the niners had a whole lot more great players on their roster than the Seahawks ever had cumulatively yet still did nothing.


    Come on now....everyone knows that Seattle cheated and the niners were just unlucky. :sarcasm_off:

    Just ask the webzone and Ninester. We needed a replacement for Living, I think we found him.
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Re: Why 49ers drafted Buckner....
Thu May 26, 2016 7:23 pm
  • Marvin49 wrote:
    NINEster wrote:
    RichNhansom wrote:
    I don't know of anyone who believes our front 4 were better than when Cowboy and Raymac were lined up or a better O-line when Iupati and Davis were part of it. Actually any O-line combination.

    Your LB's are good. Willis and Bowman but not near the level 9er fans believe. That was more a function of the front four that kept them clean and allowed them to play free. They were very good but IMO not transendant talent like Cowboy was.

    Why do you think Baalke drafted Buckner and Armestad? That's pretty much the premise of this thread.

    Not wanting Wilson for any reason when you have Gabbert and Kaep is as homer as it gets. Defense has zero to do with it but if you think the defense is what is making Wilson successful well maybe you can get more homer.


    Get outta here with the Willis and Bowman comments. They were great LBs, and when Justin was around even better. Willis was defensive rookie of the year and did more pre-Fangio than Luke and Bobby have done so far.

    If not, then people gotta stop blowing Luke and Bobby.

    As far as Wilson, it's more of.......he's not adding much to the win count to the 2016 49ers....and no need to have anyone who isn't a top 5 QB in the league on this current team anyways.

    We've never seen Wilson play on a remotely bad or average team so far. The only other QBs who have had this fortune are Brady, Rodgers, Dalton, and Peyton Manning the last 10-12 years. Rivers, Roethlisberger, Ryan, Flacco, Kap, Newton, Eli, Palmer, Alex Smith have all played on some bad teams from time to time. You think Wilson would have done any better on those teams than those guys? LOL.

    When it comes down to it, 49ers vs. Seahawks when the rivalry was good.....Niners had a bit more talent, Hawks had a bit better coaching, and that kept the two pretty even except in Seattle.


    Yeah...didn't even know where to start on that one.

    First off they didn't have a front 4 in front of them. They ran a 3-4 defense which inherantly means your ILBs are going to have to wade through more traffic than a MLB in a 4-3. Did Justin and McDonald make a difference for those ILBs? Of course they did...but two things can be equally true. IMO that was one of the best front 7s in NFL history for a few years there.

    Is Baalke trying to somewhat replace those DEs for their current LBs? Sure he is...but they didn't have either of them last year and Bowman STILL led the NFL in tackles and was elected All-Pro while still not completely healthy in year one of his return.

    Pat? Nobody will ever convince me that in his prime Pat wasn't one of the best ILBS this game has ever seen. He was great long before the team was great. IMO only his short career will keep him out of the HoF.


    Good catch on the 3-4 vs 4-3 my bad I brain farted for a second, I know you run a 3-4 for but my point still stands. How many years did Willis play without Cowboy? How did Aldon Smith do without Cowboy in front of him? I think 9er fans don't give Cowboy the credit he deserves. How did you guys play after he went down in the Pats game? And without him in Seattle the next week? How about last year? I think Fangio even gets credit for what Cowboy was able to accomplish.

    Willis was good, very good but without Cowboy he wasn't transcendent. Nothing wrong with that.

    Bowman got in on reputation. Go read your own threads and you know he wasn't the same player as before the injury. Which also coincides with Cowboy's departure. We will see next year when he doesn't have the injury question mark but I suspect he will be a good LB but nothing close to what he was when he played behind Cowboy and next to another very good LB in Willis.

    Take Borland, another guy 9er fans thought was elite. Do you really believe that any LB the Baalke drafts is transcendent? Is it possible they all had something in common? I think it is.

    The funny part of this conversation is that we had this discussion about Aldon. Every Seahawk fan told you his success was due in large part to Cowboy. Now go look on the webzone and they are saying the same thing. Aldon without Cowboy on the field was a good end but again, not transcendent like 9er fans thought he was before.

    I know 9er fans wanted to put all of these guys in the HOF but really the only guy the truly deserves to be there is the one that seems to continuously get overlooked by 9er fans. Cowboy really is the one deserving of HOF consideration.

    Nice to see you put your teeth back in Marvin. I think your a good guy and a good sport but lately with all that has went on you seem to have become a little passive. I give you shit but I really do believe your a good guy and a good fan.
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Re: Why 49ers drafted Buckner....
Thu May 26, 2016 7:25 pm
  • NINEster wrote:
    hawksfansinceday1 wrote:
    Laloosh wrote:I laugh until I cry with the comments about Wilson being reliant on the defense. They keep saying it though...

    I'm sure Buckner will own Russ; He is tall and Russ is short...

    Just trading QBs would put both teams in the neighborhood of 8-8. That's how important the position is and how good Russ is.
    .
    .
    .
    Oh wait, with Chippy as the HC even Russ might not get Santa Clara to 8-8. Not sure even Joe Montana could.


    Chippy got Nick Foles' 7 TD jersey into the Pro Football Hall of Fame. I have a picture of it.

    Chippy is good.

    I'll remind you of this statement at season's end. Just a head's up tho, he thought Sam Bradford was the answer over said Foles. Nuff said.
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Re: Why 49ers drafted Buckner....
Thu May 26, 2016 7:32 pm
  • hawksfansinceday1 wrote:
    NINEster wrote:
    hawksfansinceday1 wrote:
    Laloosh wrote:I laugh until I cry with the comments about Wilson being reliant on the defense. They keep saying it though...

    I'm sure Buckner will own Russ; He is tall and Russ is short...

    Just trading QBs would put both teams in the neighborhood of 8-8. That's how important the position is and how good Russ is.
    .
    .
    .
    Oh wait, with Chippy as the HC even Russ might not get Santa Clara to 8-8. Not sure even Joe Montana could.


    Chippy got Nick Foles' 7 TD jersey into the Pro Football Hall of Fame. I have a picture of it.

    Chippy is good.

    I'll remind you of this statement at season's end. Just a head's up tho, he thought Sam Bradford was the answer over said Foles. Nuff said.


    Ouch. Well Ninester, he does have a point.

    Hey I hear the Eagles might be interested in trading Bradford. Just a thought.
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Re: Why 49ers drafted Buckner....
Thu May 26, 2016 9:41 pm
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Re: Why 49ers drafted Buckner....
Thu May 26, 2016 9:48 pm
  • RichNhansom wrote:
    Marvin49 wrote:
    NINEster wrote:
    RichNhansom wrote:
    I don't know of anyone who believes our front 4 were better than when Cowboy and Raymac were lined up or a better O-line when Iupati and Davis were part of it. Actually any O-line combination.

    Your LB's are good. Willis and Bowman but not near the level 9er fans believe. That was more a function of the front four that kept them clean and allowed them to play free. They were very good but IMO not transendant talent like Cowboy was.

    Why do you think Baalke drafted Buckner and Armestad? That's pretty much the premise of this thread.

    Not wanting Wilson for any reason when you have Gabbert and Kaep is as homer as it gets. Defense has zero to do with it but if you think the defense is what is making Wilson successful well maybe you can get more homer.


    Get outta here with the Willis and Bowman comments. They were great LBs, and when Justin was around even better. Willis was defensive rookie of the year and did more pre-Fangio than Luke and Bobby have done so far.

    If not, then people gotta stop blowing Luke and Bobby.

    As far as Wilson, it's more of.......he's not adding much to the win count to the 2016 49ers....and no need to have anyone who isn't a top 5 QB in the league on this current team anyways.

    We've never seen Wilson play on a remotely bad or average team so far. The only other QBs who have had this fortune are Brady, Rodgers, Dalton, and Peyton Manning the last 10-12 years. Rivers, Roethlisberger, Ryan, Flacco, Kap, Newton, Eli, Palmer, Alex Smith have all played on some bad teams from time to time. You think Wilson would have done any better on those teams than those guys? LOL.

    When it comes down to it, 49ers vs. Seahawks when the rivalry was good.....Niners had a bit more talent, Hawks had a bit better coaching, and that kept the two pretty even except in Seattle.


    Yeah...didn't even know where to start on that one.

    First off they didn't have a front 4 in front of them. They ran a 3-4 defense which inherantly means your ILBs are going to have to wade through more traffic than a MLB in a 4-3. Did Justin and McDonald make a difference for those ILBs? Of course they did...but two things can be equally true. IMO that was one of the best front 7s in NFL history for a few years there.

    Is Baalke trying to somewhat replace those DEs for their current LBs? Sure he is...but they didn't have either of them last year and Bowman STILL led the NFL in tackles and was elected All-Pro while still not completely healthy in year one of his return.

    Pat? Nobody will ever convince me that in his prime Pat wasn't one of the best ILBS this game has ever seen. He was great long before the team was great. IMO only his short career will keep him out of the HoF.


    Good catch on the 3-4 vs 4-3 my bad I brain farted for a second, I know you run a 3-4 for but my point still stands. How many years did Willis play without Cowboy? How did Aldon Smith do without Cowboy in front of him? I think 9er fans don't give Cowboy the credit he deserves. How did you guys play after he went down in the Pats game? And without him in Seattle the next week? How about last year? I think Fangio even gets credit for what Cowboy was able to accomplish.

    Willis was good, very good but without Cowboy he wasn't transcendent. Nothing wrong with that.

    Bowman got in on reputation. Go read your own threads and you know he wasn't the same player as before the injury. Which also coincides with Cowboy's departure. We will see next year when he doesn't have the injury question mark but I suspect he will be a good LB but nothing close to what he was when he played behind Cowboy and next to another very good LB in Willis.

    Take Borland, another guy 9er fans thought was elite. Do you really believe that any LB the Baalke drafts is transcendent? Is it possible they all had something in common? I think it is.

    The funny part of this conversation is that we had this discussion about Aldon. Every Seahawk fan told you his success was due in large part to Cowboy. Now go look on the webzone and they are saying the same thing. Aldon without Cowboy on the field was a good end but again, not transcendent like 9er fans thought he was before.

    I know 9er fans wanted to put all of these guys in the HOF but really the only guy the truly deserves to be there is the one that seems to continuously get overlooked by 9er fans. Cowboy really is the one deserving of HOF consideration.

    Nice to see you put your teeth back in Marvin. I think your a good guy and a good sport but lately with all that has went on you seem to have become a little passive. I give you shit but I really do believe your a good guy and a good fan.


    I'm never going to undersell how good Cowboy was. In fact, even though people have argued the point with me on THIS board I think the combination of him injuring his arm and Aldon tearing his labrum cost them the SB vs the Ravens.

    I never argued that Justin didn't make a huge impact on the game even if he never got the statistics. It's a big reason why I love the Buckner pick so much and don't expect double digit sacks (something particular members of this forum appear incapable of understanding).

    IMO tho Willis WAS a transcendent player. Bowman IS a great LB. You say his falloff in play last year coincides with Cowboy being gone, but it also coincided with a first year back from a SEVERE knee injury. There were times that it was clear he favored it and didn't make a cut like he would have in the past. We'll have to see if year 2 is different. It usually is with a player coming back from injury because its the mental aspect that hinders you.

    Aldon? I'm not on that train even though many Niner fans are. Fans of ANY team teld to find reasons to discount a skill of a player the day he's no longer on their team. Aldons problms are between his ears, but the dude is insanely talented. If he can get his head on straight, IMO he'll be a star again.

    Borland? If Baalke knows and drafts anything well, its players in the front 7. Yes, I think he's that good at the LB position. He's not stupid though, because that 3 man D-Line is the most important part of the defense. Ray Lewis had some of his worst years in Mike Nolans 3-4. It is HARDER to be in ILB in a 3-4 than a MLB in a 4-3. The fact that those guys were so good AND both stayed on the field in Nickel says a lot.

    As for having my teeth...lol. Dunno man...sure the team isn't what it was so arging the point is fruitless, but I kinda got better at posting every time someone said something annoying. I'd be here all day. :) I just pick my battles much more now and ignore those who don't warrant my response.
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Re: Why 49ers drafted Buckner....
Thu May 26, 2016 9:50 pm
  • RichNhansom wrote:
    hawksfansinceday1 wrote:
    NINEster wrote:
    hawksfansinceday1 wrote:Just trading QBs would put both teams in the neighborhood of 8-8. That's how important the position is and how good Russ is.
    .
    .
    .
    Oh wait, with Chippy as the HC even Russ might not get Santa Clara to 8-8. Not sure even Joe Montana could.


    Chippy got Nick Foles' 7 TD jersey into the Pro Football Hall of Fame. I have a picture of it.

    Chippy is good.

    I'll remind you of this statement at season's end. Just a head's up tho, he thought Sam Bradford was the answer over said Foles. Nuff said.


    Ouch. Well Ninester, he does have a point.

    Hey I hear the Eagles might be interested in trading Bradford. Just a thought.


    Thank god he's not the GM. Say what you want about Baalke...but Chip? Yikes.
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Re: Why 49ers drafted Buckner....
Thu May 26, 2016 10:08 pm
  • Ninester, you have no idea how much happiness it brings me that the 49ers are a trainwreck like they should be. And for years coming? All the better. I am a native San Francisco girl and always hated the 49ers on a level you probably couldn't ever understand. I preferred the Raiders like the rest of my family until I actually got into football and went with the Seahawks. Black and Silver is boring and my favorite colors are blue and green in that exact order.
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Re: Why 49ers drafted Buckner....
Fri May 27, 2016 4:17 am
  • Love me some Justin Smith but it's so ridiculous to think he is the only one who made players great on that D. He made Willis? Laughable, Aldon? Laughable. Many of you took a couple articles about how he sets up Aldon and ran with it. Maybe go back to when Justin Smith spent 7 freaking seasons with the Bengals and played on some of the worst teams in the history of the NFL. How come he didn't transcend those players into superstars? What happened? Why all of a sudden when he got to SF did he become jesus. It's the most comical argument to say he made those players. Willis might possible make the Hall of fame in only 8 seasons. Aldon Smith was an elite pass rusher coming out of Mizzou which is why he was taken with the 7th pick.

    Is Sherman & Wagner only good because of Michael Bennett? I would say hell no. I would say they are all pros because they are just flat out supremely talented.
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Re: Why 49ers drafted Buckner....
Fri May 27, 2016 6:04 am
  • A few thoughts:

    1. Justin Smith can be transcendent along with other guys. He was very much underrated with people on here saying it would be a crime to even begin to compare him to JJ Watt. Either they breathe the same air or they don't....people have to make up their minds.

    2. Chippy needs talent to succeed. As much as he thought he could make anyone succeed within his system, his success under Foles had a lot more to do with surrounding talent than anything else. Bradford didn't have a Desean Jackson, Lesean McCoy, Jeremy Maclin or other pieces that made that first year Eagles offense under Kelly, go. Even the interior OL was cited as an issue as to why the run game fell off...not just Demarco Murray's running style.

    The 49ers this season should be able to provide the OL/RB part of the equation. Deep threat WR as well. As far as TE and the other receiver slots that remains to be seen.

    QB I know you guys have a hatred for any signal caller wearing red and gold, but both are light years ahead of Michael Vick who initially QB'd that team, and have tons more mobility than anyone he's coached at the NFL level. So with that as a bare minimum, he should be ok there too.

    3. MizzouHawkGal - appreciate the hate. Sports hate is good....it's what makes the wins sweeter. Compare your team winning to generic rooting of teams in the postseason when your team isn't it.....nowhere near the same level of intensity!

    Don't know why an SF girl would grow up to be an OAK fan, but ok. I know someone who grew up in the East Bay that went with the Niners claiming the Raiders were already in LA, when he was at least 5 or 6 years old when it happened.

    Unless you're over 40, the Raiders were not better than the 49ers for you growing up.

    4. This is a fun thread and the .NET Nation is a good sport. The only thing that could have made it better is if Baalke dedicated the entire draft on DL/OLB to get to Wilson, haha!
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Re: Why 49ers drafted Buckner....
Fri May 27, 2016 8:22 am
  • Whoa, whoa, whoa... Just stop right there.

    Who here hates Blaine Gabbert?

    Edit: And... Buckner.

    We really should move this conversation to another thread.
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Re: Why 49ers drafted Buckner....
Fri May 27, 2016 9:02 pm
  • Thought it was kinda cool...and unlike most of the posts in this thread (mine included), on topic.

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Re: Why 49ers drafted Buckner....
Fri May 27, 2016 10:31 pm
  • Marvin49 wrote:Thought it was kinda cool...and unlike most of the posts in this thread (mine included), on topic.

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    Fugly. Looks like bloody bile vomit. Combining two of the ugliest uniforms available doesn't help either ugly uniform.
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Re: Why 49ers drafted Buckner....
Sat May 28, 2016 12:36 am
  • RichNhansom wrote:
    rideaducati wrote:
    5_Golden_Rings wrote:
    pehawk wrote:Buckner's propensity to be average 75% of his snaps will certainly strike fear into Wilson.

    That's higher than most defensive linemen even if it were true.

    kearly wrote:I see Buckner as being a bit like a rookie Frank Clark. Makes a lot of splash plays that are nice, but is a ways off from being a 10 sack guy.

    He doesn't play on the outside in the first place. He's a defensive tackle (an end in a 34 scheme). That said, he DID get ten sacks last year.

    It's amazing how a guy who was universally considered one of the top picks in the draft is suddenly average here once the 49ers draft him.


    I find this amazing too. Like Cleveland, the niners turn "can't miss" prospects into awful players. How can they do that so consistently?


    Good point. Look at Crabtree, Ted Ginn jr and Delainie Walker to just name a few. They definitely are not getting the most out of their players.

    I wonder how good Buckner and Armestad will become after going to another team. Assuming they don't retire before their rookie contract is up.

    Crabtree's best year was with the 49ers (that's right he did better one of his seasons with them than he did in Oakland last year), Walker was playing next to the 13 TD version of Vernon Davis, so he wasn't going to be on the field as much, and Ginn had all of 44 receptions last year when he was forced into the starting lineup. He started 13 last year and the previous 8 years he averaged only starting 5.











    RichNhansom wrote:
    Marvin49 wrote:
    NINEster wrote:
    RichNhansom wrote:
    I don't know of anyone who believes our front 4 were better than when Cowboy and Raymac were lined up or a better O-line when Iupati and Davis were part of it. Actually any O-line combination.

    Your LB's are good. Willis and Bowman but not near the level 9er fans believe. That was more a function of the front four that kept them clean and allowed them to play free. They were very good but IMO not transendant talent like Cowboy was.

    Why do you think Baalke drafted Buckner and Armestad? That's pretty much the premise of this thread.

    Not wanting Wilson for any reason when you have Gabbert and Kaep is as homer as it gets. Defense has zero to do with it but if you think the defense is what is making Wilson successful well maybe you can get more homer.


    Get outta here with the Willis and Bowman comments. They were great LBs, and when Justin was around even better. Willis was defensive rookie of the year and did more pre-Fangio than Luke and Bobby have done so far.

    If not, then people gotta stop blowing Luke and Bobby.

    As far as Wilson, it's more of.......he's not adding much to the win count to the 2016 49ers....and no need to have anyone who isn't a top 5 QB in the league on this current team anyways.

    We've never seen Wilson play on a remotely bad or average team so far. The only other QBs who have had this fortune are Brady, Rodgers, Dalton, and Peyton Manning the last 10-12 years. Rivers, Roethlisberger, Ryan, Flacco, Kap, Newton, Eli, Palmer, Alex Smith have all played on some bad teams from time to time. You think Wilson would have done any better on those teams than those guys? LOL.

    When it comes down to it, 49ers vs. Seahawks when the rivalry was good.....Niners had a bit more talent, Hawks had a bit better coaching, and that kept the two pretty even except in Seattle.


    Yeah...didn't even know where to start on that one.

    First off they didn't have a front 4 in front of them. They ran a 3-4 defense which inherantly means your ILBs are going to have to wade through more traffic than a MLB in a 4-3. Did Justin and McDonald make a difference for those ILBs? Of course they did...but two things can be equally true. IMO that was one of the best front 7s in NFL history for a few years there.

    Is Baalke trying to somewhat replace those DEs for their current LBs? Sure he is...but they didn't have either of them last year and Bowman STILL led the NFL in tackles and was elected All-Pro while still not completely healthy in year one of his return.

    Pat? Nobody will ever convince me that in his prime Pat wasn't one of the best ILBS this game has ever seen. He was great long before the team was great. IMO only his short career will keep him out of the HoF.


    Good catch on the 3-4 vs 4-3 my bad I brain farted for a second, I know you run a 3-4 for but my point still stands. How many years did Willis play without Cowboy? How did Aldon Smith do without Cowboy in front of him? I think 9er fans don't give Cowboy the credit he deserves. How did you guys play after he went down in the Pats game? And without him in Seattle the next week? How about last year? I think Fangio even gets credit for what Cowboy was able to accomplish.

    Willis was good, very good but without Cowboy he wasn't transcendent. Nothing wrong with that.

    Bowman got in on reputation. Go read your own threads and you know he wasn't the same player as before the injury. Which also coincides with Cowboy's departure. We will see next year when he doesn't have the injury question mark but I suspect he will be a good LB but nothing close to what he was when he played behind Cowboy and next to another very good LB in Willis.

    Take Borland, another guy 9er fans thought was elite. Do you really believe that any LB the Baalke drafts is transcendent? Is it possible they all had something in common? I think it is.

    The funny part of this conversation is that we had this discussion about Aldon. Every Seahawk fan told you his success was due in large part to Cowboy. Now go look on the webzone and they are saying the same thing. Aldon without Cowboy on the field was a good end but again, not transcendent like 9er fans thought he was before.

    I know 9er fans wanted to put all of these guys in the HOF but really the only guy the truly deserves to be there is the one that seems to continuously get overlooked by 9er fans. Cowboy really is the one deserving of HOF consideration.

    Nice to see you put your teeth back in Marvin. I think your a good guy and a good sport but lately with all that has went on you seem to have become a little passive. I give you shit but I really do believe your a good guy and a good fan.


    A better question would be "how many First Team All Pro seasons did Willis get to without Cowboy" versus how many years he didn't without him. The problem with that question is that Willis was with Cowboy for all but his rookie season. BUT... he made First Team All Pro his rookie season, so there you go.


    Willis makes First Team All Pro his ROOKIE season WITHOUT Cowboy, and you say he wasn't "transcendent." Um yeah. If he played five more seasons he was going to the Hall of Fame without question. He was bar none the best middle linebacker in football for about five seasons, making First Team All Pro in all but one of his first six seasons (he made the Pro Bowl in every single season he played more than 6 games)- including the season he was without Justin Smith (in which he recorded 174 tackles, which is 4th all time in a single season- a number that's only been reached one other time since).

    Another way you can look at it is... how many All Pro Seasons did Justin Smith have without Willis? Zero. How many Pro Bowl seasons did Justin Smith have without Willis? Zero. When it comes to MLBs, there's Ray Lewis and then everyone else. But at the top of that list of everyone else, Willis is right there with anyone.
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Re: Why 49ers drafted Buckner....
Sat May 28, 2016 9:12 am
  • rideaducati wrote:
    Marvin49 wrote:Thought it was kinda cool...and unlike most of the posts in this thread (mine included), on topic.

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    Fugly. Looks like bloody bile vomit. Combining two of the ugliest uniforms available doesn't help either ugly uniform.

    I've always kind of liked Frisco's unis. Ducks though, :pukeface:
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Re: Why 49ers drafted Buckner....
Sat May 28, 2016 12:55 pm
  • hawksfansinceday1 wrote:
    rideaducati wrote:
    Marvin49 wrote:Thought it was kinda cool...and unlike most of the posts in this thread (mine included), on topic.

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    Fugly. Looks like bloody bile vomit. Combining two of the ugliest uniforms available doesn't help either ugly uniform.

    I've always kind of liked Frisco's unis. Ducks though, :pukeface:



    So York is using reuse Unis from the Ducks with a painted overlay this season?

    I guess that is one way to try to save money with Kaep still sitting on the bench.
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Re: Why 49ers drafted Buckner....
Sat May 28, 2016 10:08 pm
  • hawksfansinceday1 wrote:
    rideaducati wrote:
    Marvin49 wrote:Thought it was kinda cool...and unlike most of the posts in this thread (mine included), on topic.

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    Fugly. Looks like bloody bile vomit. Combining two of the ugliest uniforms available doesn't help either ugly uniform.

    I've always kind of liked Frisco's unis. Ducks though, :pukeface:


    I dunno...Ducks unis have kinda grown on me over the years. It changes week to week tho. The ones in this pick I like...Green jerseys with the metallic winged helmets. The black ones I hate and I like the wolf grey ones just as I liked Seattles wolf greys.
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Re: Why 49ers drafted Buckner....
Mon May 30, 2016 7:56 am
  • Yeah, the Ducks uniform has definitely grown on me too over the years.

    As for the Hawks uniforms, I've always really liked their logo, but have always found the color scheme to be pretty horrific (particularly after the refresh), and to look more like a fake team from Any Given Sunday than a real NFL one. At least they stopped using those lime green alternates though, which, sheesh. :lol:

    The wolf grey is really, really nice, though. If they went with that full time (or started over with that as the base) they'd have one of the better uni sets in the NFL, IMO.

    Edit: as I'm a 9ers fan and will no doubt get crap for saying that save for the awesome and too rarely utilized wolf greys I find the Hawks uniform to be kind of an eyesore, I should also say that I think they have a good enough color scheme, but have never thought their team logo was anything to write home about. Save for the "SF" font I think all their fonts have been really bad, and I've never liked the elongated gold and black ovals in the logo they've been using for the last 20 years or so.
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Re: Why 49ers drafted Buckner....
Thu May 24, 2018 9:59 pm
  • So to update the list:

    Robert Saleh

    Malcolm Smith, Brock Coyle, Cassius Marsh, Richard Sherman....

    Let's recap the total count:

    Arik Armstead (DT)
    DeForest Buckner (DT)
    Solomon Thomas (DE)
    Reuben Foster (LB)
    Former Hawks above (5)
    Fred Warner (LB)
    Akhello Witherspoon (CB)

    I've got 10 players, 1 coach.

    Only one player left to go. A true LEO and it's a wrap.

    Only took 4 offseasons.

    :shock: :mrgreen:
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