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AP and Jamaal Charles released...
Tue Feb 28, 2017 5:25 pm
  • I wouldnt mind either one on a low cost, prove it deal. Both have upside that makes it hard to chose which one I would prefer. Probably Charles, I have never heard of him beating kids.
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Re: AP and Jamaal Charles released...
Tue Feb 28, 2017 5:33 pm
  • It depends on what type of deal he'd expect, but he's certainly a player of interest.
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Re: AP and Jamaal Charles released...
Tue Feb 28, 2017 5:42 pm
  • I don't think you understand the meaning of the words "prove it deal". Neither of these guys have anything left to prove. They should be in ring-chasing mode now.
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Tue Feb 28, 2017 5:47 pm
  • Probably should put these in the NFL Nation forum not this forum.
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Re: AP and Jamaal Charles released...
Tue Feb 28, 2017 5:54 pm
  • Erebus wrote:I don't think you understand the meaning of the words "prove it deal". Neither of these guys have anything left to prove. They should be in ring-chasing mode now.


    I understand fully what a "prove it deal" is. And the thing they have to prove is that they can stay healthy. Charles is 30, and Peterson is 31. 30 is widely accepted as the fall off age for running backs. Charles has played in five games in two years, and missed one game before that due to injuries. Ap played in 1 game in 2014, and 3 last year. 2014 due to suspension, last year due to injury. So, they have plenty to prove. It is widely accepted that they would sign prove it deals. It is also widely accepted that in the NFL, it's not what you have done in the past, it's what you will due in the future. Don't insult my intelligence.

    Edit: not to mention that ap rushed for an appalling 1.9 yds per carry last year. Even though it was behind a horrible line, that is still major cause for concern.
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Re: AP and Jamaal Charles released...
Tue Feb 28, 2017 6:24 pm
  • Erebus wrote:I don't think you understand the meaning of the words "prove it deal". Neither of these guys have anything left to prove. They should be in ring-chasing mode now.


    Definitely a phrase that is getting way overused. It's starting to rival the preferred draft strategy of "find a few late round studs".
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Re: AP and Jamaal Charles released...
Tue Feb 28, 2017 7:23 pm
  • A healthy Charles in the read option offense is very intriguing, I could see him breaking some huge runs. Just not sure if he's the same back he used to be. I'd rather spend whatever money you would spend on those guys on one of the tackles and roll with the combo of Rawls, Prosise and Collins though.
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Re: AP and Jamaal Charles released...
Wed Mar 01, 2017 4:28 am
  • Jimjones0384 wrote:Edit: not to mention that ap rushed for an appalling 1.9 yds per carry last year. Even though it was behind a horrible line, that is still major cause for concern.


    So, behind this line we could expect what, like -4.8 yards per carry? Maybe -120 yards per game rushing? :roll:
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Re: AP and Jamaal Charles released...
Wed Mar 01, 2017 7:25 am
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    Erebus wrote:I don't think you understand the meaning of the words "prove it deal". Neither of these guys have anything left to prove. They should be in ring-chasing mode now.


    Definitely a phrase that is getting way overused. It's starting to rival the preferred draft strategy of "find a few late round studs".


    Not to derail too much with semantics, but "prove it" deals are typically signed by players in their 20's coming off their first contract that you're not certain about. You don't want to commit big money/years to them until they prove it. Somehow we got Bennett back as well as Avril in prove it deals. Absolute thievery. The next contracts that Charles and Peterson sign will be their last.
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Re: AP and Jamaal Charles released...
Wed Mar 01, 2017 9:12 am
  • Add another injury prone back to a group of injury prone running backs?

    Not a smart idea unless the cost is pretty much nothing, which won't be the case. Draft is the way to go.
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Re: AP and Jamaal Charles released...
Wed Mar 01, 2017 9:49 am
  • Jimjones0384 wrote:
    Erebus wrote:I don't think you understand the meaning of the words "prove it deal". Neither of these guys have anything left to prove. They should be in ring-chasing mode now.


    I understand fully what a "prove it deal" is. And the thing they have to prove is that they can stay healthy. Charles is 30, and Peterson is 31. 30 is widely accepted as the fall off age for running backs. Charles has played in five games in two years, and missed one game before that due to injuries. Ap played in 1 game in 2014, and 3 last year. 2014 due to suspension, last year due to injury. So, they have plenty to prove. It is widely accepted that they would sign prove it deals. It is also widely accepted that in the NFL, it's not what you have done in the past, it's what you will due in the future. Don't insult my intelligence.

    Edit: not to mention that ap rushed for an appalling 1.9 yds per carry last year. Even though it was behind a horrible line, that is still major cause for concern.


    Hmm, you make this idea sound very tempting. ;)
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Re: AP and Jamaal Charles released...
Wed Mar 01, 2017 11:59 am
  • Jimjones0384 wrote:
    Erebus wrote:I don't think you understand the meaning of the words "prove it deal". Neither of these guys have anything left to prove. They should be in ring-chasing mode now.


    I understand fully what a "prove it deal" is. And the thing they have to prove is that they can stay healthy. Charles is 30, and Peterson is 31. 30 is widely accepted as the fall off age for running backs. Charles has played in five games in two years, and missed one game before that due to injuries. Ap played in 1 game in 2014, and 3 last year. 2014 due to suspension, last year due to injury. So, they have plenty to prove. It is widely accepted that they would sign prove it deals. It is also widely accepted that in the NFL, it's not what you have done in the past, it's what you will due in the future. Don't insult my intelligence.

    Edit: not to mention that ap rushed for an appalling 1.9 yds per carry last year. Even though it was behind a horrible line, that is still major cause for concern.


    "Prove it" deals are supposed to lead to longer contracts. Both players are beyond that point now. At this point in their careers, there is always going to be a high risk of decline or injury. Staying healthy for one year will not alleviate that risk.
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Re: AP and Jamaal Charles released...
Wed Mar 01, 2017 12:44 pm
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    Jimjones0384 wrote:Edit: not to mention that ap rushed for an appalling 1.9 yds per carry last year. Even though it was behind a horrible line, that is still major cause for concern.


    So, behind this line we could expect what, like -4.8 yards per carry? Maybe -120 yards per game rushing? :roll:


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Re: AP and Jamaal Charles released...
Wed Mar 01, 2017 8:22 pm
  • Both will sign for multi year deals somewhere. If the coaches have any doubts about the current 3 RB's I would be very interested to give either of these two a shot at a ring. Who would fit Seattle's culture of practice hard and competition makes us better?

    Prosise looked like an elite for a flash. Rawls sets the tone but has limitations. Collins was crafty. Two with injury issues could keep 4 RB's on the roster. Knowing Procise and Graham have WR capabilitues makes us flexible to only carry 5 wr this year.

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Wed Mar 01, 2017 8:45 pm
  • Wenhawk wrote:Both will sign for multi year deals somewhere. If the coaches have any doubts about the current 3 RB's I would be very interested to give either of these two a shot at a ring. Who would fit Seattle's culture of practice hard and competition makes us better?

    Prosise looked like an elite for a flash. Rawls sets the tone but has limitations. Collins was crafty. Two with injury issues could keep 4 RB's on the roster. Knowing Procise and Graham have WR capabilitues makes us flexible to only carry 5 wr this year.

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Re: AP and Jamaal Charles released...
Wed Mar 01, 2017 9:30 pm
  • I'd prefer Charles over AP but I'm not entirely enthusiastic about either.

    The sad fact is that Collins is our only RB on our roster that hasn't had a significant injury. Let's hope Rawls at least stays healthy next year.
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Re: AP and Jamaal Charles released...
Thu Mar 02, 2017 9:25 am
  • AP would be a Cowboy next year if it wasn't for the running clinic that Elliott put on last year. I still wouldn't be surprised to see him there on a team friendly, chase a ring deal.

    If he could humble himself enough to do it, the combination of an every down Elliott and a AP relief/ special situations back would be pretty imposing.

    They should have a pretty dominant line for at least two more years. Only Leary is a UFA this year, and the Pokes probably won't be able to afford him, but Collins is an adequate replacement, and they can focus on drafting a long-term replacement.

    I really don't want either, unless we pick them up after the first week of the regular season.
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Re: AP and Jamaal Charles released...
Sat Mar 04, 2017 7:40 am
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    Jimjones0384 wrote:Edit: not to mention that ap rushed for an appalling 1.9 yds per carry last year. Even though it was behind a horrible line, that is still major cause for concern.


    So, behind this line we could expect what, like -4.8 yards per carry? Maybe -120 yards per game rushing? :roll:


    Didn't say anything of the sort. Using it as more evidence as to why he has something to prove. Hence, the low risk, cheap deal. Worth a look if it doesn't cost much. I also prefer Charles out of the two. Not only did you put words in my mouth, but you made up some random numbers to do so. Nice.

    Oh, btw, my hopes for the off season is they take care of the line through fa and the draft. Two or three new starters next year. So they would hopefully be running behind a vastly improved unit.
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Re: AP and Jamaal Charles released...
Sat Mar 04, 2017 11:34 am
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    Jimjones0384 wrote:Edit: not to mention that ap rushed for an appalling 1.9 yds per carry last year. Even though it was behind a horrible line, that is still major cause for concern.


    So, behind this line we could expect what, like -4.8 yards per carry? Maybe -120 yards per game rushing? :roll:


    Didn't say anything of the sort. Using it as more evidence as to why he has something to prove. Hence, the low risk, cheap deal. Worth a look if it doesn't cost much. I also prefer Charles out of the two. Not only did you put words in my mouth, but you made up some random numbers to do so. Nice.


    Settle down, son. I used your post to set up a soft jab at our o-line. Geez Louise, sensitive much?
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Re: AP and Jamaal Charles released...
Sat Mar 04, 2017 4:28 pm
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    Jimjones0384 wrote:Edit: not to mention that ap rushed for an appalling 1.9 yds per carry last year. Even though it was behind a horrible line, that is still major cause for concern.


    So, behind this line we could expect what, like -4.8 yards per carry? Maybe -120 yards per game rushing? :roll:


    Didn't say anything of the sort. Using it as more evidence as to why he has something to prove. Hence, the low risk, cheap deal. Worth a look if it doesn't cost much. I also prefer Charles out of the two. Not only did you put words in my mouth, but you made up some random numbers to do so. Nice.


    Settle down, son. I used your post to set up a soft jab at our o-line. Geez Louise, sensitive much?


    Don't give me that sensitive stuff. You quoted my post where I had to defend myself, thought it was another slam. I thought you were being sarcastic. I know it's hard to believe someone could be sarcastic on this sight, but I does happen.
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Re: AP and Jamaal Charles released...
Sat Mar 04, 2017 4:36 pm
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    Erebus wrote:I don't think you understand the meaning of the words "prove it deal". Neither of these guys have anything left to prove. They should be in ring-chasing mode now.


    I understand fully what a "prove it deal" is. And the thing they have to prove is that they can stay healthy. Charles is 30, and Peterson is 31. 30 is widely accepted as the fall off age for running backs. Charles has played in five games in two years, and missed one game before that due to injuries. Ap played in 1 game in 2014, and 3 last year. 2014 due to suspension, last year due to injury. So, they have plenty to prove. It is widely accepted that they would sign prove it deals. It is also widely accepted that in the NFL, it's not what you have done in the past, it's what you will due in the future. Don't insult my intelligence.

    Edit: not to mention that ap rushed for an appalling 1.9 yds per carry last year. Even though it was behind a horrible line, that is still major cause for concern.


    "Prove it" deals are supposed to lead to longer contracts. Both players are beyond that point now. At this point in their careers, there is always going to be a high risk of decline or injury. Staying healthy for one year will not alleviate that risk.


    Prove it deals come in different types. They can be proving it to the team they signed with for a year to get a future contract, or the rest of the league. I'm sure both of those guys arent going into next year saying it will be their last. I know Peterson said he wants to play til 40. So, yeah....I'm sure they are both are wanting to play for future contracts.

    So, if the Seahawks sign one of these guys for a year, at very low cost, the hope is they will come in with a chip on their shoulders and ball out. The guy will want to prove they have stuff left in the tank, so they can sign a new multi year deal with some guaranteed money. hence, the prove it deal. And whether or not they get the next contract is irrelevant.
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Re: AP and Jamaal Charles released...
Sat Mar 04, 2017 5:25 pm
  • These guys are looking for a Bucket list contract for a Super Bowl, nothing career extending, they are done as a franchise guy.
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Re: AP and Jamaal Charles released...
Mon Mar 06, 2017 11:13 am
  • chris98251 wrote:These guys are looking for a Bucket list contract for a Super Bowl, nothing career extending, they are done as a franchise guy.


    I agree with you that they are searching out a ring, they both will want to play beyond next year, which will likely require a one year deal, then a new contract. I don't see what's so hard to understand about this.
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