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Re: Raiders pursuing Lynch
Fri Mar 17, 2017 1:02 pm
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Re: Raiders pursuing Lynch
Fri Mar 17, 2017 2:06 pm
  • ringless wrote:
    randomation wrote:If we are eating the bonus we either need to get a pick back or a decent Oline type person.



    He's not a UFA. He's under contact with Seattle. Lunch can force his release, and Seattle could get nothing. He could say pay me 9 million that you don't have. Or release me. You can't say Lynch owes anyone anything because it's well known. "Lynch marches to his own beat"


    We don't have to pay him anything until august and we didn't pursue recouping the signing bonus of 5 mil when he retired that we could have. If he decides to screw over the org they would be well witihin grounds to either pursue the signing bonus or just hold onto him until right before he has to be paid. I hope the raiders just give us either picks or a worthwhile player but we have no reason to just release him after eating the signing bonus. I love beast but this is still a business.
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Re: Raiders pursuing Lynch
Fri Mar 17, 2017 3:14 pm
  • We can easily free up the money to re-activate him, even though we probably wouldn't have to. As I said in another thread, re-activate him and give him the option of repaying a pro-rated portion of the signing bonus if he wants to go to Oakland. Otherwise, we will shop him around.

    I'm guessing we would get either a 5th, or a conditional 5th.
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Re: Raiders pursuing Lynch
Fri Mar 17, 2017 3:41 pm
  • bigskydoc wrote:We can easily free up the money to re-activate him, even though we probably wouldn't have to. As I said in another thread, re-activate him and give him the option of repaying a pro-rated portion of the signing bonus if he wants to go to Oakland. Otherwise, we will shop him around.

    I'm guessing we would get either a 5th, or a conditional 5th.


    And as I just said in another thread ( :lol: ;) ) shop him around to who?!?

    Which team is it that's going to give up trade assets for the right to pay Marshawn Lynch 9 million dollars this year?

    I'd say Lynch has the Hawks by the short and curlies, but he doesn't at all, because he doesn't have anything that they want. Once he applies for reinstatement the Seahawks have to acknowledge the obvious: they don't want him on their team for the money they agreed to pay him.
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Re: Raiders pursuing Lynch
Fri Mar 17, 2017 6:01 pm
  • Popeyejones wrote:
    bigskydoc wrote:We can easily free up the money to re-activate him, even though we probably wouldn't have to. As I said in another thread, re-activate him and give him the option of repaying a pro-rated portion of the signing bonus if he wants to go to Oakland. Otherwise, we will shop him around.

    I'm guessing we would get either a 5th, or a conditional 5th.


    And as I just said in another thread ( :lol: ;) ) shop him around to who?!?

    Which team is it that's going to give up trade assets for the right to pay Marshawn Lynch 9 million dollars this year?

    I'd say Lynch has the Hawks by the short and curlies, but he doesn't at all, because he doesn't have anything that they want. Once he applies for reinstatement the Seahawks have to acknowledge the obvious: they don't want him on their team for the money they agreed to pay him.


    Shop him around to who? Umm, how about just about any team that doesn't already have a RB they are paying nearly 10m to?

    If there is a market for Adrian Peterson and Jamal Charles then there certainly is for Marshawn Lynch. Plus there is nothing saying Seattle can't make it conditional on Lynch playing for them. How about this: Hey (Cleveland or Houston or Jacksonville or whoever), here's a borderline HoF RB for a conditional 7th round pick. If he retires again and doesn't play for you then you don't have to pay him and don't have to give up a draft pick. If he stays unretired you have one of the best RB's of the decade for a year and then likely get a comp pick for him after he signs with Oakland next year.

    Plus whoever trades for him isn't locked into paying him jack sh*t. Why wouldn't they take that chance? No risk on their end. If they end up having to release him then they pay him nothing. Lynch isn't guaranteed 9M at all.

    Lynch does not have the leverage here, you are severely mistaken. If he did he wouldn't be asking the team for his release, he would have just signed the papers and been reinstated.
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Re: Raiders pursuing Lynch
Sat Mar 18, 2017 5:35 am
  • DJrmb wrote:If there is a market for Adrian Peterson and Jamal Charles then there certainly is for Marshawn Lynch.


    The market for Peterson and Charles? :lol: :lol:

    These guys have yet to catch on anywhere and they're also free agents, meaning that a hypothetical team that does sign them gets to negotiate the terms of the deal.

    If someone trades for Lynch they also get his contract, meaning they have to give up assets to make Lynch -- who was injured and wildly ineffective two years ago and out of football last year -- the second highest paid back in the NFL.

    C'mon man, which team is going to do that?

    DJrmb wrote:Plus whoever trades for him isn't locked into paying him jack sh*t.


    Yes they absolutely are. His base salary for next year is 9 million. If they trade for him they either have to pay him his contract value or he has to agree to restructure.

    And why would he agree to restructure at a place he doesn't want to go to when he can just sit around and wait for the Seahawks to cut him and go wherever he wants?
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Re: Raiders pursuing Lynch
Sat Mar 18, 2017 10:00 am
  • Popeyejones wrote:
    DJrmb wrote:Plus whoever trades for him isn't locked into paying him jack sh*t.


    Yes they absolutely are. His base salary for next year is 9 million. If they trade for him they either have to pay him his contract value or he has to agree to restructure.

    And why would he agree to restructure at a place he doesn't want to go to when he can just sit around and wait for the Seahawks to cut him and go wherever he wants?


    No, they absolutely are not. If his salary was guaranteed when he is reinstated then what would Seattle get from releasing him? If a team trades for Lynch and it doesn't work out or he is being a jerk then they can release him and not pay him in some scenarios.

    Marshawn Lynch has a base salary of 7M in 2017 with a 3M roster bonus (for being on the team in March).
    3/6/2015: Signed a three-year, $31 million contract. The deal contains $12 million guaranteed -- a $7.5 million signing bonus and Lynch's first-year base salary. 2017: $7 million (+ $3 million roster bonus due in March), 2018: Free Agent

    http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/4186/marshawn-lynch

    The only tricky part is that 3M roster bonus. I don't know what day exactly it matures. If it is already past the date it would mature then he's lost that money already (which is possible) and he would only be owed 7M of non-guaranteed money. If not then Seattle may have to pay him 3M or another team if they trade for him but that's all he would be guaranteed to earn. That would definitely be a hindrance in any trade scenarios if the roster bonus fell on the team trading for Lynch but it's also something Seattle could choose to eat if need be to get something out of Lynch as they could reclaim 2.5M from his signing bonus to offset the 3M they'd owe him for a net of -500k.

    The Seahawks have retained Lynch’s contract rights while he’s been on their reserve/retired list through 2017 under the contract extension he signed before the 2015 season. That deal included a $7.5 signing bonus. Lynch would be, according to letter of the league’s collective bargaining agreement, subject to paying back the 2016 proration on that signing bonus, a sum of $2.5 million for the season he was “retired.”

    Read more here: http://www.thenewstribune.com/sports/nf ... rylink=cpy
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Re: Raiders pursuing Lynch
Sat Mar 18, 2017 10:41 am
  • Sleeping on this, Popeye is right on the money, and I was wrong. Lynch can pretty much dictate what he wants at this point.

    The idea of shopping him around only works with a normal player who wants to play football and keep earning. If Lynch was still wanting to play, we could easily shop him around. In fact I bet the Niners would be near the top of the list of suitors.

    That's not Lynch. He doesn't want to just play football, nor does he need to earn money. He wants to play football for Oakland (if rumors are correct), and that is the only team he would sign a contract with.

    No team is going to trade for him, knowing he won't sign a contract with them, even if they have the cap space and the desire to pay him 9 million or more. Sure we can reinstate him and trade him to another team, but every team knows he isn't going to sign a contract with anyone but Oakland, so they aren't going to trade with us.

    Oakland knows this, so they have no incentive to trade with us.

    Lynch holds all the cards. If he truly wants to play for Oakland, all he has to do is apply for reinstatement, and be patient.

    Maybe Oakland throws us a bone, but I doubt it.
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Re: Raiders pursuing Lynch
Sat Mar 18, 2017 10:45 am
  • bigskydoc wrote:Sleeping on this, Popeye is right on the money, and I was wrong. Lynch can pretty much dictate what he wants at this point.

    The idea of shopping him around only works with a normal player who wants to play football and keep earning. If Lynch was still wanting to play, we could easily shop him around. In fact I bet the Niners would be near the top of the list of suitors.

    That's not Lynch. He doesn't want to just play football, nor does he need to earn money. He wants to play football for Oakland (if rumors are correct), and that is the only team he would sign a contract with.

    No team is going to trade for him, knowing he won't sign a contract with them, even if they have the cap space and the desire to pay him 9 million or more. Sure we can reinstate him and trade him to another team, but every team knows he isn't going to sign a contract with anyone but Oakland, so they aren't going to trade with us.

    Oakland knows this, so they have no incentive to trade with us.

    Lynch holds all the cards. If he truly wants to play for Oakland, all he has to do is apply for reinstatement, and be patient.

    Maybe Oakland throws us a bone, but I doubt it.

    Thank God you have been wrong on many things more then right in my view. So call me skeptical about your opinion and Popeye's on this subject.
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Re: Raiders pursuing Lynch
Sat Mar 18, 2017 10:49 am
  • If Lynch holds all the cards and leverage and wants to play for Oakland then why hasn't he filed his reinstatement papers yet??? There are plenty of things Seattle could do to keep Lynch from ever going to Oakland (at least anytime soon) if Oakland/Lynch want to go down that route. The best thing for everyone would just be for Oakland to throw Seattle a late round pick for his rights.
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Re: Raiders pursuing Lynch
Sat Mar 18, 2017 11:54 am
  • DJrmb wrote:If Lynch holds all the cards and leverage and wants to play for Oakland then why hasn't he filed his reinstatement papers yet??? There are plenty of things Seattle could do to keep Lynch from ever going to Oakland (at least anytime soon) if Oakland/Lynch want to go down that route. The best thing for everyone would just be for Oakland to throw Seattle a late round pick for his rights.



    Who knows why he hasn't. Maybe this whole story is nonsense. Maybe the Hawks and Raiders are trying to work out some tokenistic compensation. Maybe everyone is scrambling around trying to figure out what happens with the 2.5 in this situation in this version of the CBA.

    If Lynch gets reinstated there really aren't plenty of the things the Seahawks can do to keep him from going to Oakland.

    There's only one thing they could do: pay him the money they would owe him to play for the Seahawks this year.
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Re: Raiders pursuing Lynch
Sat Mar 18, 2017 11:59 am
  • DJrmb wrote:Marshawn Lynch has a base salary of 7M in 2017 with a 3M roster bonus (for being on the team in March).
    3/6/2015: Signed a three-year, $31 million contract. The deal contains $12 million guaranteed -- a $7.5 million signing bonus and Lynch's first-year base salary. 2017: $7 million (+ $3 million roster bonus due in March), 2018: Free Agent

    http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/4186/marshawn-lynch


    FWIW, I went to your link and then to the story that's the top mention at it, which is Sheil Kapadia over at ESPN saying exactly what I've been saying this whole time:

    http://www.espn.com/blog/seattle-seahaw ... elease-him

    (they only thing I disagree w/ him about is that I think he's underestimating the Hawks' salary cap draft allocation by a couple million, but I could be wrong about that).
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Re: Raiders pursuing Lynch
Sat Mar 18, 2017 1:37 pm
  • Popeyejones wrote:There's only one thing they could do: pay him the money they would owe him to play for the Seahawks this year.

    We'll just have to agree to disagree on this part I think. In my view if Houston can find a trade partner to dump Osweiler, then I don't think it's impossible for Seattle to find someone to take Lynch. Yes, I would even be willing to go as far as Houston and give someone a pick to eat Marshawns contract and guarantee he never gets to play for Oakland if he wants to push it.

    Also I wouldn't underestimate the owners/teams being willing to figure something out with a guy like Lynch that has pissed off plenty of people. John Schneider surely has some friends around the league that he could reach out to if Lynch goes too far with his demands. You don't think that the 9ers would do a conditional 7th round pick for Lynch where they only have to give that pick if he plays for them?
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Re: Raiders pursuing Lynch
Sat Mar 18, 2017 3:08 pm
  • Josea16 wrote:Thank God you have been wrong on many things more then right in my view. So call me skeptical about your opinion and Popeye's on this subject.


    Since, in your vast (3 month) history here you have seen me be wrong so many times, you should have no difficulty listing them. I'm one of the few posters who stands by my predictions, and points out when I've been mistaken without having to be prompted. For example, my opinion that Ezekiel Elliott was a bad pick for Dallas and they should have bolstered their defense instead. At the end of the season, I brought the thread up and pointed out that I was wrong.

    At least I put my opinion out there rather than just taking pot shots at other people's opinions.
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Re: Raiders pursuing Lynch
Mon Mar 20, 2017 6:42 pm
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Re: Raiders pursuing Lynch
Tue Mar 28, 2017 10:28 am
  • After the league meetngs this whole thing could be clarified.

    If Lynch actually really does to unretire, and wants to play in Oakland, and if Oakland wants him, then the framework of a potential deal or no deal can be established; presuming Seattle will trade his rights. The issue after those is what will he want to be paid, b/c I'm pretty sure any deal would be conditional upon Lynch redoing his contract?

    Lots of "ifs" there, before anything can be done.

    the recent news of the team leaving Oakland may well be some impetus to get this done.
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Re: Raiders pursuing Lynch
Tue Mar 28, 2017 8:57 pm
  • Not realistic at all, but it would be cool if they could get a conditional 5th or 6th for the Beast. If the Raiders make the playoffs, it turns into a 4th and if they win the whole thing the pick turns into a 1st or a 2nd.
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Re: Raiders pursuing Lynch
Tue Mar 28, 2017 11:02 pm
  • seahawksny wrote:They Didnt like how he answered the questions, yet they ( like a bunch of morons), kept asking him questions.

    Perhaps the media just realized that his employer contractually obligates him along with every other NFL player to make themselves available to the media to a reasonable extent. The NFL is not just a "play football" game; speaking to reporters is part of your job duties if they want to speak to you.
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