Seahawks.NET AMAZON STOREFRONT

Which Division Winners Have the Longest Odds of Repeating?

Discuss any and all NFL-related topics and matters of interest here. LANGUAGE RATING: PG-13
  • According to Gil Brandt at NFL.com the teams with the longest odds to repeat as division champions are the Texans then the Cowboys....the team with the best odds at repeating? Seahawks then the Patriiots. See the full list in order at the link

    http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000807436/article/texans-cowboys-among-most-vulnerable-division-winners
    Image

    “You can please some of the people all of the time, you can please all of the people some of the time, but you can’t please all of the people all of the time”

    :les: Check your PM's....We miss you :les:
    User avatar
    kidhawk
    * NET Moderator *
     
    Posts: 21381
    Joined: Sun Jun 07, 2009 10:00 pm
    Location: Anchorage, AK


  • I agree with the article. Houston and Dallas. Houston wouldn't have won the AFC South last year if Marcus Mariota didn't break his leg in the 2nd to last game of the season, and Dallas is to 2017 what Carolina was to 2016.
    "Soon, the super karate monkey death car would park in my space. But Jimmy has fancy plans, and pants to match."

    - Excerpt from Jimmy James: Macho Business Donkey Wrestler
    User avatar
    Maulbert
    NET Veteran
     
    Posts: 3293
    Joined: Tue Apr 08, 2014 6:44 pm


  • Dallas, played a last place schedule last year, play a real schedule this year......They got lucky with injuries last year. Defense still sucks and has even less experience than last year.

    Actually surprised Dallas was on Brandnt's list, as he is a bit of a Dallas homer, if you listen to him on Sirius.
    SEATTLE SEAHAWKS SUPERBOWL XLVIII CHAMPIONS!

    May the spirit of our friend The Radish live on forever!

    I SO do not care about your fantasy team and who's on it!
    Sports Hernia
    NET Ring Of Honor
     
    Posts: 22577
    Joined: Thu Apr 30, 2009 4:36 pm
    Location: The pit


  • The Packers and Falcons likely to repeat is quite interesting. Julius Peppers was the Packers D. Now he and others join a core who have won the South 3 of 4 years vs. an all time hangover candidate in the Falcons. The Bucs still have no D and won 2 of the near NFL record Panthers 3 point or less losses because Derek Anderson played and Olsen fell down intentionally to preserve the #8 pick.
    ctrcat
    NET Veteran
     
    Posts: 821
    Joined: Thu Feb 20, 2014 8:50 am


  • ctrcat wrote:The Packers and Falcons likely to repeat is quite interesting. Julius Peppers was the Packers D. Now he and others join a core who have won the South 3 of 4 years vs. an all time hangover candidate in the Falcons. The Bucs still have no D and won 2 of the near NFL record Panthers 3 point or less losses because Derek Anderson played and Olsen fell down intentionally to preserve the #8 pick.


    Peppers is 37. You overestimate his value. Atlanta has more talent, a smarter QB, and a better coach than the kitties. Carolina might have an outside shot, but with a gun to my head, I'd put money on the Falcons ten times out of ten in that division.
    "Soon, the super karate monkey death car would park in my space. But Jimmy has fancy plans, and pants to match."

    - Excerpt from Jimmy James: Macho Business Donkey Wrestler
    User avatar
    Maulbert
    NET Veteran
     
    Posts: 3293
    Joined: Tue Apr 08, 2014 6:44 pm


  • Falcons have added pieces to their weakness from last year and were not broken in their loss as much as invigorated to come back in my opinion, the Kitties, the weakness they have is behind Center, when things are going good it's right as rain, have a bit of adversity and the wheels start coming off.
    Image

    To Be P/C or Not P/C That is the Question..........Seahawks kick Ass !!!!
    Check your PM's, Thank you for everything Radish RIP My Friend. :les:
    Member of the 38 club.
    User avatar
    chris98251
    .NET Hijacker
     
    Posts: 21478
    Joined: Tue Feb 27, 2007 10:52 pm
    Location: Renton Wa.


  • ^ Won't get into the Grand Canyon sized disagreement on countless fronts there, but another additional piece among others the Panthers added was a kicker-the first drafted one in franchise history, assuming he beats out Gano. Gano missed the soul crushing kick in the opener last year after Cam led into FG range after his assault on national TV, Gano missed in the Super Bowl, Gano missed an XP to tie last year in New Orleans, Gano even missed an XP in Seattle in 2015 which meant only a TD would win it. He (of less than 80% career) sucks and is likely out.
    ctrcat
    NET Veteran
     
    Posts: 821
    Joined: Thu Feb 20, 2014 8:50 am


  • How can the Patriots not beat out the Hawks for most likely to repeat? Haven't they won that division every year for like two decades?
    HawkGA
    NET Hall Of Famer
     
    Posts: 105017
    Joined: Fri May 01, 2009 12:29 pm


  • Because their post-bye stretch is simply brutal, and we have a favorable schedule this year. Though call, but I agree with Brandt for once.
    Fire Tom Cable
    User avatar
    bigskydoc
    NET Veteran
     
    Posts: 1932
    Joined: Wed Dec 18, 2013 9:27 am
    Location: Kalispell, MT


  • bigskydoc wrote:Because their post-bye stretch is simply brutal, and we have a favorable schedule this year. Though call, but I agree with Brandt for once.

    Eh, not so sure about the "brutal". After a perfectly-placed mid-season bye, they get four home and four away. Five of the games are in-division gimmes. They do go to QB-less Denver for a night game. The only semi-daunting match is a Week 15 jaunt to Pittsburgh, before finishing the year with two delicious cupcakes (Miami, Buffalo) served up piping hot in Gillette Stadium.

    Considering all they'll need to do is squeak out a 9-7 overall record (which includes the 6 divisional byes Brady has had every year of his career) to take it, I'd say the inevitability of their repeating can be stopped only by multiple, catastrophic injuries.
    Q: “What is your thing?”
    A: “Lay back, kick back, mind my business, stay in my own lane.”
    User avatar
    VivaEfrenHerrera
    NET Veteran
     
    Posts: 1436
    Joined: Sun Sep 13, 2009 12:03 pm
    Location: Mudbone's rumpus room


  • ^Obviously they can win games without him, but will Brady be healthy for 16 games? Obviously the refs take care of him unlike some, but 40 is 40. Peppers is one if the all time athletic freaks and was the single best player on the field as recently as a January 2017 playoff game, but since his birthday says 37 he's supposedly overvalued.
    ctrcat
    NET Veteran
     
    Posts: 821
    Joined: Thu Feb 20, 2014 8:50 am


  • I don't see the Falcons as likely to repeat, but it's certainly possible. The SB hangover is real, and it impacted the Panthers last year just as expected, though few wanted to admit it could happen. But that isn't their biggest problem. The Falcons are in a tough division with any of the four teams perfectly capable of winning the division. The Panthers are obviously very talented, just one year removed from a (albeit fluky) 15-1 season.
    User avatar
    Erebus
    NET Veteran
     
    Posts: 1382
    Joined: Mon Nov 23, 2009 8:53 pm
    Location: Ft. Meade, MD


  • ^Good post. The Falcons have other problems as well. Among them, a loss of coaches on both sides of the ball, and playing @Seattle and Dallas while the Panthers play @San Fran and Philly. In the salary cap era, no team is without flaws, but on paper the problems that plagued the Panthers in 2016 (inexperience/talent/depth in the secondary, DE talent and depth, OT talent and depth, speed/youth/big play ability on offense, special teams) have been addressed in a big way.
    ctrcat
    NET Veteran
     
    Posts: 821
    Joined: Thu Feb 20, 2014 8:50 am


  • ctrcat wrote:^Good post. The Falcons have other problems as well. Among them, a loss of coaches on both sides of the ball, and playing @Seattle and Dallas while the Panthers play @San Fran and Philly. In the salary cap era, no team is without flaws, but on paper the problems that plagued the Panthers in 2016 (inexperience/talent/depth in the secondary, DE talent and depth, OT talent and depth, speed/youth/big play ability on offense, special teams) have been addressed in a big way.


    ^Homer post. As usual.
    "Soon, the super karate monkey death car would park in my space. But Jimmy has fancy plans, and pants to match."

    - Excerpt from Jimmy James: Macho Business Donkey Wrestler
    User avatar
    Maulbert
    NET Veteran
     
    Posts: 3293
    Joined: Tue Apr 08, 2014 6:44 pm


  • Maulbert wrote:
    ctrcat wrote:^Good post. The Falcons have other problems as well. Among them, a loss of coaches on both sides of the ball, and playing @Seattle and Dallas while the Panthers play @San Fran and Philly. In the salary cap era, no team is without flaws, but on paper the problems that plagued the Panthers in 2016 (inexperience/talent/depth in the secondary, DE talent and depth, OT talent and depth, speed/youth/big play ability on offense, special teams) have been addressed in a big way.


    ^Homer post. As usual.


    I didn't respond to yours with hater post. As usual. :irishdrinkers: So tell me, which part? The Falcons really do play @Seattle and not @Santa Clara (in the opener, only game west of the Mississippi or at 1 pm pst all year). Is that not advantage Panthers? Matt Kalil has had injury and performance issues (on a horrible Vikings OL without his brother and Moton was still drafted for depth, but still) and there's still major depth concerns at safety after the starters, and Charles Johnson has ongoing back concerns even though Addison will get more reps at this point-those are probably sweeter to your ears to hear-but what else can an informed person say other than the truth as it is? The smart money is on the Panthers bouncing back in a major way to with the South for the 4th time in 5 years.
    ctrcat
    NET Veteran
     
    Posts: 821
    Joined: Thu Feb 20, 2014 8:50 am


  • ctrcat wrote:
    Maulbert wrote:
    ctrcat wrote:^Good post. The Falcons have other problems as well. Among them, a loss of coaches on both sides of the ball, and playing @Seattle and Dallas while the Panthers play @San Fran and Philly. In the salary cap era, no team is without flaws, but on paper the problems that plagued the Panthers in 2016 (inexperience/talent/depth in the secondary, DE talent and depth, OT talent and depth, speed/youth/big play ability on offense, special teams) have been addressed in a big way.


    ^Homer post. As usual.


    I didn't respond to yours with hater post. As usual. :irishdrinkers: So tell me, which part? The Falcons really do play @Seattle and not @Santa Clara (in the opener, only game west of the Mississippi or at 1 pm pst all year). Is that not advantage Panthers? Matt Kalil has had injury and performance issues (on a horrible Vikings OL without his brother and Moton was still drafted for depth, but still) and there's still major depth concerns at safety after the starters, and Charles Johnson has ongoing back concerns even though Addison will get more reps at this point-those are probably sweeter to your ears to hear-but what else can an informed person say other than the truth as it is? The smart money is on the Panthers bouncing back in a major way to with the South for the 4th time in 5 years.


    There is one big issue with that theory, unlike the Panthers the Falcons didn't self destruct after the loss, as a team your biggest asset and problem is Image

    Until he grows up and becomes a leader in times of difficulty as well as success the Panthers will have issues.
    Image

    To Be P/C or Not P/C That is the Question..........Seahawks kick Ass !!!!
    Check your PM's, Thank you for everything Radish RIP My Friend. :les:
    Member of the 38 club.
    User avatar
    chris98251
    .NET Hijacker
     
    Posts: 21478
    Joined: Tue Feb 27, 2007 10:52 pm
    Location: Renton Wa.


  • Panthers aren't the only reason the Falcons will have trouble repeating. The Saints and Bucs, while certainly not expected to win the division, can't just be written off.
    HawkGA
    NET Hall Of Famer
     
    Posts: 105017
    Joined: Fri May 01, 2009 12:29 pm


  • chris98251 wrote:
    ctrcat wrote:
    There is one big issue with that theory, unlike the Panthers, the Falcons didn't self-destruct after the loss, as a team your biggest asset and problem is Image

    Until he grows up and becomes a leader in times of difficulty as well as success the Panthers will have issues.



    Two people play QB for the Panthers.

    Cam: League MVP and freak QB who can lead any team to a championship. He is fun, he is laughing, and he is dabbing.

    and

    Cameron: Cameron is the moody preteen who quits when things don't go his way. He sits on the bench with a towel over his head. When Cameron shows up the team is doomed. The second half of SB 50 Cameron showed up, he was a quitter and moody.


    If you want to beat the Panthers all you have to do is get Cameron to show up and your time will win because Cameron quits.
    User avatar
    sdog1981
    NET Veteran
     
    Posts: 1280
    Joined: Fri Oct 16, 2009 5:54 am


  • chris98251 wrote:
    ctrcat wrote:
    Maulbert wrote:
    ctrcat wrote:^Good post. The Falcons have other problems as well. Among them, a loss of coaches on both sides of the ball, and playing @Seattle and Dallas while the Panthers play @San Fran and Philly. In the salary cap era, no team is without flaws, but on paper the problems that plagued the Panthers in 2016 (inexperience/talent/depth in the secondary, DE talent and depth, OT talent and depth, speed/youth/big play ability on offense, special teams) have been addressed in a big way.


    ^Homer post. As usual.


    I didn't respond to yours with hater post. As usual. :irishdrinkers: So tell me, which part? The Falcons really do play @Seattle and not @Santa Clara (in the opener, only game west of the Mississippi or at 1 pm pst all year). Is that not advantage Panthers? Matt Kalil has had injury and performance issues (on a horrible Vikings OL without his brother and Moton was still drafted for depth, but still) and there's still major depth concerns at safety after the starters, and Charles Johnson has ongoing back concerns even though Addison will get more reps at this point-those are probably sweeter to your ears to hear-but what else can an informed person say other than the truth as it is? The smart money is on the Panthers bouncing back in a major way to with the South for the 4th time in 5 years.


    There is one big issue with that theory, unlike the Panthers the Falcons didn't self destruct after the loss, as a team your biggest asset and problem is Image

    Until he grows up and becomes a leader in times of difficulty as well as success the Panthers will have issues.


    How in the world can one say at this point the Falcons didn't self destruct after the loss? The only thing they did not do was let a player of Josh Norman's caliber go. A move, that, by the way, produced Seattle's own Daeshon Hall with a comp pick and allowed Short to be extended and other holes to be filled as a result. The long term verdict is years away from being rendered on that.
    ctrcat
    NET Veteran
     
    Posts: 821
    Joined: Thu Feb 20, 2014 8:50 am


  • The Hawks are the only good team in the NFL playing in a division in which every other team in the division didn't even have a winning record last year (and it's not because they had to play the Hawks -- the Hawks had three wins, two losses, and a tie in the NFCW last year).

    Across the NFL if they're not the odds on favorite to win their division this year someone just isn't thinking.

    As for the Falcons, they'd be a favorite not to repeat for me too (no dog teams in their division, they were .500 the year before, they lost their OC and their offense is what got them there). They might win their division again, but I think it will be a fight. TBF it's the same story with Dallas, although they do have more continuity.
    User avatar
    Popeyejones
    NET Veteran
     
    Posts: 4251
    Joined: Tue Aug 20, 2013 7:58 am


  • I'm a little worried by this. This is the guy who predicted the Redskins were most secure division champions last year with the Cards and Panthers close behind.

    http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000661070/article/broncos-texans-among-most-vulnerable-division-winners

    Having said that I would put us and the Patriots as the two strong favourites to repeat (no team is a lock in) but the Pats quite a bit above us, I could see the cardinals come back to 2015 form but I can't see the dolphins getting 10 wins again and the pats schedule isn't as brutal as people make out.

    The next tier I would put the Packers, Steelers and Cowboys. Of those I would say the Cowboys are the strongest team (I expect Elliot to improve with the extra experience, last off-season he wouldn't have had much practise until Romo got injured) but in the Giants (not the Redskins Gil) they have the strongest challengers.

    Least likely to repeat I would put the Chiefs, the Raiders would have won that division if Carr had stayed fit last season and the Broncos can also challenge if they find an adequate QB. Texans are next, the weakest division champions in a division anyone can win (well probably not the jags)
    Jegpeg
    NET Bench Warmer
     
    Posts: 6
    Joined: Fri Apr 21, 2017 3:56 am


  • Jegpeg wrote:I'm a little worried by this. This is the guy who predicted the Redskins were most secure division champions last year with the Cards and Panthers close behind.



    Oh, I remember that. Yep, that was a stupid prediction.
    HawkGA
    NET Hall Of Famer
     
    Posts: 105017
    Joined: Fri May 01, 2009 12:29 pm


  • I loved the Watson pick for Houston. I think he will be good enough and especially on a short field and knowing 3pts is enough to win a lot of games.

    Marriotta will end up injured again
    mikeak
    NET Veteran
     
    Posts: 6372
    Joined: Fri Aug 24, 2012 6:24 pm
    Location: Anchorage, AK


  • chris98251 wrote:
    ctrcat wrote:
    Maulbert wrote:
    ctrcat wrote:^Good post. The Falcons have other problems as well. Among them, a loss of coaches on both sides of the ball, and playing @Seattle and Dallas while the Panthers play @San Fran and Philly. In the salary cap era, no team is without flaws, but on paper the problems that plagued the Panthers in 2016 (inexperience/talent/depth in the secondary, DE talent and depth, OT talent and depth, speed/youth/big play ability on offense, special teams) have been addressed in a big way.


    ^Homer post. As usual.


    I didn't respond to yours with hater post. As usual. :irishdrinkers: So tell me, which part? The Falcons really do play @Seattle and not @Santa Clara (in the opener, only game west of the Mississippi or at 1 pm pst all year). Is that not advantage Panthers? Matt Kalil has had injury and performance issues (on a horrible Vikings OL without his brother and Moton was still drafted for depth, but still) and there's still major depth concerns at safety after the starters, and Charles Johnson has ongoing back concerns even though Addison will get more reps at this point-those are probably sweeter to your ears to hear-but what else can an informed person say other than the truth as it is? The smart money is on the Panthers bouncing back in a major way to with the South for the 4th time in 5 years.


    There is one big issue with that theory, unlike the Panthers the Falcons didn't self destruct after the loss, as a team your biggest asset and problem is Image

    Until he grows up and becomes a leader in times of difficulty as well as success the Panthers will have issues.

    That division is pretty loaded and Tampa Bay is very dangerous. Irrregardless of Atlanta (which won't do anything..... Superbowl hangover, you know all about that yet believed nobody that told you it was a thing and would happen to your team last year). I just didn't figure it would crush your team like it did but I didn't figure in Manchild Cam. That boy is day/night and a serious Issue for the Panthers until proven different. He has no sack. Very similar to Keapernick in that regard actually. Not anywhere as bad because he's actually working on his craft but very similar mental makeup in my opinion.
    Josea16
    NET Veteran
     
    Posts: 850
    Joined: Sat Jan 14, 2017 2:27 am


  • Maulbert wrote:
    ctrcat wrote:The Packers and Falcons likely to repeat is quite interesting. Julius Peppers was the Packers D. Now he and others join a core who have won the South 3 of 4 years vs. an all time hangover candidate in the Falcons. The Bucs still have no D and won 2 of the near NFL record Panthers 3 point or less losses because Derek Anderson played and Olsen fell down intentionally to preserve the #8 pick.


    Peppers is 37. You overestimate his value. Atlanta has more talent, a smarter QB, and a better coach than the kitties. Carolina might have an outside shot, but with a gun to my head, I'd put money on the Falcons ten times out of ten in that division.

    Smarter QB, don't know about that. Kyle made Matt Ryan last year and that was obvious from the season he had prior. As much as we love Dan, he might be the 3rd best coach in hat division. Rivera and Peyton have done it more than one season with their respective teams. Carolina still has a better front 7 than Atlanta and it might not be close. One things for sure that division as a whole won't have any trouble scoring points. It'll just come down to who's defense steps up and for parts of last season the Bucs and Panthers defense were better than the Falcons. And out of all of this if the saints give Brees and AVERAGE defense they would've been in the playoffs just about every year.
    JumpmanXhawk
    NET Bench Warmer
     
    Posts: 26
    Joined: Fri Jul 15, 2016 5:25 am


  • [/quote]
    That division is pretty loaded and Tampa Bay is very dangerous. Irrregardless of Atlanta (which won't do anything..... Superbowl hangover, you know all about that yet believed nobody that told you it was a thing and would happen to your team last year). I just didn't figure it would crush your team like it did but I didn't figure in Manchild Cam. That boy is day/night and a serious Issue for the Panthers until proven different. He has no sack. Very similar to Keapernick in that regard actually. Not anywhere as bad because he's actually working on his craft but very similar mental makeup in my opinion.[/quote]

    To be fair the panthers did lose 6 games by 3 points or less and out of those there was at least 4 games where if gano would've made his kicks they would've won..... I just don't see this Crown juggernaut that yall see in the Falcons.
    JumpmanXhawk
    NET Bench Warmer
     
    Posts: 26
    Joined: Fri Jul 15, 2016 5:25 am


  • HawkGA wrote:
    Jegpeg wrote:I'm a little worried by this. This is the guy who predicted the Redskins were most secure division champions last year with the Cards and Panthers close behind.



    Oh, I remember that. Yep, that was a stupid prediction.


    In hindsight absolutely, but at the time it made a lot of sense, IMO.
    User avatar
    Popeyejones
    NET Veteran
     
    Posts: 4251
    Joined: Tue Aug 20, 2013 7:58 am


  • I don't know about anyone else, but I never expect pre or off season predictions to pan out often no matter who makes them. I just think they make great topics of discussion and debate. Honestly, on paper, our division looks fairly weak and we may not have improved alot, but (again on paper) we haven't been gained on much by our competitors. Obviously the games are played on the field and not on paper, and that is why the regular season is so interesting to watch as it unfolds. There are always some great surprises and some not so great ones as well. it's all perspective.
    Image

    “You can please some of the people all of the time, you can please all of the people some of the time, but you can’t please all of the people all of the time”

    :les: Check your PM's....We miss you :les:
    User avatar
    kidhawk
    * NET Moderator *
     
    Posts: 21381
    Joined: Sun Jun 07, 2009 10:00 pm
    Location: Anchorage, AK


  • kidhawk wrote:I don't know about anyone else, but I never expect pre or off season predictions to pan out often no matter who makes them. I just think they make great topics of discussion and debate. Honestly, on paper, our division looks fairly weak and we may not have improved alot, but (again on paper) we haven't been gained on much by our competitors. Obviously the games are played on the field and not on paper, and that is why the regular season is so interesting to watch as it unfolds. There are always some great surprises and some not so great ones as well. it's all perspective.


    Even during the season. I recall a thread here in 2015 after the Falcons were 5-0 how they looked to have a cakewalk to a 1st round bye.
    ctrcat
    NET Veteran
     
    Posts: 821
    Joined: Thu Feb 20, 2014 8:50 am


  • ctrcat wrote:
    kidhawk wrote:I don't know about anyone else, but I never expect pre or off season predictions to pan out often no matter who makes them. I just think they make great topics of discussion and debate. Honestly, on paper, our division looks fairly weak and we may not have improved alot, but (again on paper) we haven't been gained on much by our competitors. Obviously the games are played on the field and not on paper, and that is why the regular season is so interesting to watch as it unfolds. There are always some great surprises and some not so great ones as well. it's all perspective.


    Even during the season. I recall a thread here in 2015 after the Falcons were 5-0 how they looked to have a cakewalk to a 1st round bye.


    Honestly, I'd say the same thing about in season power rankings and other such measures....you have to kind of take them all with a grain of salt. They are great debate topics, but they don't mean a thing when it comes to the guys facing off on the field week in and week out.

    With enough conjecture, some are bound to be right while others are wrong, but the only thing that matters is the actual outcome on the field. Meanwhile we get to talk about it here for the rest of the time when there are no actual games going on (whether it's between games or between seasons)
    Image

    “You can please some of the people all of the time, you can please all of the people some of the time, but you can’t please all of the people all of the time”

    :les: Check your PM's....We miss you :les:
    User avatar
    kidhawk
    * NET Moderator *
     
    Posts: 21381
    Joined: Sun Jun 07, 2009 10:00 pm
    Location: Anchorage, AK


  • ^^^^Totally agreed with both of you.

    Predictions, power-rankings, etc. need to be viewed as entertainment in themselves. That they're regularly wrong is kinda missing the point, IMO.

    EDIT: Looks like kidhawk brought up power rankings as the same type of thing at the same time that I was. :2thumbs:
    User avatar
    Popeyejones
    NET Veteran
     
    Posts: 4251
    Joined: Tue Aug 20, 2013 7:58 am


  • JumpmanXhawk wrote:
    Maulbert wrote:
    ctrcat wrote:The Packers and Falcons likely to repeat is quite interesting. Julius Peppers was the Packers D. Now he and others join a core who have won the South 3 of 4 years vs. an all time hangover candidate in the Falcons. The Bucs still have no D and won 2 of the near NFL record Panthers 3 point or less losses because Derek Anderson played and Olsen fell down intentionally to preserve the #8 pick.


    Peppers is 37. You overestimate his value. Atlanta has more talent, a smarter QB, and a better coach than the kitties. Carolina might have an outside shot, but with a gun to my head, I'd put money on the Falcons ten times out of ten in that division.

    Smarter QB, don't know about that. Kyle made Matt Ryan last year and that was obvious from the season he had prior. As much as we love Dan, he might be the 3rd best coach in hat division. Rivera and Peyton have done it more than one season with their respective teams. Carolina still has a better front 7 than Atlanta and it might not be close. One things for sure that division as a whole won't have any trouble scoring points. It'll just come down to who's defense steps up and for parts of last season the Bucs and Panthers defense were better than the Falcons. And out of all of this if the saints give Brees and AVERAGE defense they would've been in the playoffs just about every year.



    The Saints are scatterbrained buffoons. They traded their best playmaker for what amounted to a LT with injury and desire questions, even though they have already invested a lot in the position and have numerous other holes. Stone hands, older Ginn without Cam's big arm? Good luck. They'll win some games at their dome like they do but another wasted sub-.500 season is inevitable.
    ctrcat
    NET Veteran
     
    Posts: 821
    Joined: Thu Feb 20, 2014 8:50 am


  • ctrcat wrote:
    JumpmanXhawk wrote:
    Maulbert wrote:
    ctrcat wrote:The Packers and Falcons likely to repeat is quite interesting. Julius Peppers was the Packers D. Now he and others join a core who have won the South 3 of 4 years vs. an all time hangover candidate in the Falcons. The Bucs still have no D and won 2 of the near NFL record Panthers 3 point or less losses because Derek Anderson played and Olsen fell down intentionally to preserve the #8 pick.


    Peppers is 37. You overestimate his value. Atlanta has more talent, a smarter QB, and a better coach than the kitties. Carolina might have an outside shot, but with a gun to my head, I'd put money on the Falcons ten times out of ten in that division.

    Smarter QB, don't know about that. Kyle made Matt Ryan last year and that was obvious from the season he had prior. As much as we love Dan, he might be the 3rd best coach in hat division. Rivera and Peyton have done it more than one season with their respective teams. Carolina still has a better front 7 than Atlanta and it might not be close. One things for sure that division as a whole won't have any trouble scoring points. It'll just come down to who's defense steps up and for parts of last season the Bucs and Panthers defense were better than the Falcons. And out of all of this if the saints give Brees and AVERAGE defense they would've been in the playoffs just about every year.



    The Saints are scatterbrained buffoons. They traded their best playmaker for what amounted to a LT with injury and desire questions, even though they have already invested a lot in the position and have numerous other holes. Stone hands, older Ginn without Cam's big arm? Good luck. They'll win some games at their dome like they do but another wasted sub-.500 season is inevitable.
    JumpmanXhawk
    NET Bench Warmer
     
    Posts: 26
    Joined: Fri Jul 15, 2016 5:25 am


  • Popeyejones wrote:
    HawkGA wrote:
    Jegpeg wrote:I'm a little worried by this. This is the guy who predicted the Redskins were most secure division champions last year with the Cards and Panthers close behind.



    Oh, I remember that. Yep, that was a stupid prediction.


    In hindsight absolutely, but at the time it made a lot of sense, IMO.


    Reading the text there is a lot that makes sense, the Giants have a strong offence with OBJ and Eli Manning and have spent big to produce what should be an awesome defence, Ezekiel Elliot should be a start for the Cowboys and Cousins was coming off a great year. However whereas (this year) Elliot and Prescott are going to come down to earth with a bump after last season, Cousins was going to go from strength to strength.

    A remember reading it at the time and thinking, how did he jump to that conclusion, I thought if Romo stayed fit the Cowboys would win the division and if he didn't then it would probably go to the Giants, the Redskins would have a chance but certainly not enough to be the most secure team in the league. To be honest, Cards and Panthers second and third were reasonable selections.

    On the other side he seemed to totally overdo the importance of the Brady suspension. Garappolo was a competant back-up and while I expected them to lose to the Cards, I expected Brady to come back to a team probably 2-2 fresh and with a fire in his belly and a pretty easy schedule.

    Digging out a post I made at the start of last season (post Romo injury), I had the Pats to win their division by 3, Panthers and Cards by 2 and all the other division champions to miss out. (Giants to win NFC East with a comment I would have picked the Cowboys pre Romo injury)
    Jegpeg
    NET Bench Warmer
     
    Posts: 6
    Joined: Fri Apr 21, 2017 3:56 am


  • VivaEfrenHerrera wrote:
    bigskydoc wrote:Because their post-bye stretch is simply brutal, and we have a favorable schedule this year. Though call, but I agree with Brandt for once.

    Eh, not so sure about the "brutal". After a perfectly-placed mid-season bye, they get four home and four away. Five of the games are in-division gimmes. They do go to QB-less Denver for a night game. The only semi-daunting match is a Week 15 jaunt to Pittsburgh, before finishing the year with two delicious cupcakes (Miami, Buffalo) served up piping hot in Gillette Stadium.

    Considering all they'll need to do is squeak out a 9-7 overall record (which includes the 6 divisional byes Brady has had every year of his career) to take it, I'd say the inevitability of their repeating can be stopped only by multiple, catastrophic injuries.

    That being said, our division is amazingly ripe for the taking this year. Between dum dum give me gum gum goff, Brian seventeen interceptions in a home playoff game hoyer, and wheelchair bound fifty seven year old Carson Palmer, there's just no smart money anywhere in this division except the hawks. I'd personally put the dolphins threat on par with the cards and the bills with the rams and the jets with the niners, except in all of those comparisons the afc East suckbots are projected to slope positive while the nfc West cannon fodder is mostly either wildly unstable or just simply unable to reach 10 wins if their lives depended on it, or in other words projected to slope negative. Which is the tie breaker in the pats vs hawks easiest path to division champ preseason contest.

    I also agree with previous posting regarding brutal patriots schedule. I think the easiest money out there is betting the patriots won't hit 13 wins in the futures props. It's even money last i saw and i don't see even a remote possibility they survive that gauntlet and come out with only 3 losses.
    Optimus25
    NET Veteran
     
    Posts: 1223
    Joined: Mon Jan 27, 2014 7:16 pm


  • Optimus25 wrote:
    VivaEfrenHerrera wrote:
    bigskydoc wrote:I also agree with previous posting regarding brutal patriots schedule. I think the easiest money out there is betting the patriots won't hit 13 wins in the futures props. It's even money last i saw and i don't see even a remote possibility they survive that gauntlet and come out with only 3 losses.


    I never bet Patriots games because I'm too emotionally involved to trust my judgement, but that's an interesting bet.
    User avatar
    BostonBlackie
    NET Practice Squad
     
    Posts: 95
    Joined: Mon Nov 14, 2016 6:25 pm


  • Optimus25 wrote:
    VivaEfrenHerrera wrote:
    bigskydoc wrote:Because their post-bye stretch is simply brutal, and we have a favorable schedule this year. Though call, but I agree with Brandt for once.

    Eh, not so sure about the "brutal". After a perfectly-placed mid-season bye, they get four home and four away. Five of the games are in-division gimmes. They do go to QB-less Denver for a night game. The only semi-daunting match is a Week 15 jaunt to Pittsburgh, before finishing the year with two delicious cupcakes (Miami, Buffalo) served up piping hot in Gillette Stadium.

    Considering all they'll need to do is squeak out a 9-7 overall record (which includes the 6 divisional byes Brady has had every year of his career) to take it, I'd say the inevitability of their repeating can be stopped only by multiple, catastrophic injuries.

    That being said, our division is amazingly ripe for the taking this year. Between dum dum give me gum gum goff, Brian seventeen interceptions in a home playoff game hoyer, and wheelchair bound fifty seven year old Carson Palmer, there's just no smart money anywhere in this division except the hawks. I'd personally put the dolphins threat on par with the cards and the bills with the rams and the jets with the niners, except in all of those comparisons the afc East suckbots are projected to slope positive while the nfc West cannon fodder is mostly either wildly unstable or just simply unable to reach 10 wins if their lives depended on it, or in other words projected to slope negative. Which is the tie breaker in the pats vs hawks easiest path to division champ preseason contest.

    I also agree with previous posting regarding brutal patriots schedule. I think the easiest money out there is betting the patriots won't hit 13 wins in the futures props. It's even money last i saw and i don't see even a remote possibility they survive that gauntlet and come out with only 3 losses.


    Agree. A lot of value in people assuming every single thing they touch turning to gold when there are numerous examples of that not being the case. It's actually shocking reading how much they're puffing up and counting on a guy that was going to be cut in Kony Ealy. The move was widely praised from a Patriots perspective and precious few know that the move cost them their draft target Dan Feeney and left a hole in their OG/C situation as a result.
    ctrcat
    NET Veteran
     
    Posts: 821
    Joined: Thu Feb 20, 2014 8:50 am


  • ctrcat wrote:
    Optimus25 wrote:
    VivaEfrenHerrera wrote:
    bigskydoc wrote:Because their post-bye stretch is simply brutal, and we have a favorable schedule this year. Though call, but I agree with Brandt for once.

    Eh, not so sure about the "brutal". After a perfectly-placed mid-season bye, they get four home and four away. Five of the games are in-division gimmes. They do go to QB-less Denver for a night game. The only semi-daunting match is a Week 15 jaunt to Pittsburgh, before finishing the year with two delicious cupcakes (Miami, Buffalo) served up piping hot in Gillette Stadium.

    Considering all they'll need to do is squeak out a 9-7 overall record (which includes the 6 divisional byes Brady has had every year of his career) to take it, I'd say the inevitability of their repeating can be stopped only by multiple, catastrophic injuries.

    That being said, our division is amazingly ripe for the taking this year. Between dum dum give me gum gum goff, Brian seventeen interceptions in a home playoff game hoyer, and wheelchair bound fifty seven year old Carson Palmer, there's just no smart money anywhere in this division except the hawks. I'd personally put the dolphins threat on par with the cards and the bills with the rams and the jets with the niners, except in all of those comparisons the afc East suckbots are projected to slope positive while the nfc West cannon fodder is mostly either wildly unstable or just simply unable to reach 10 wins if their lives depended on it, or in other words projected to slope negative. Which is the tie breaker in the pats vs hawks easiest path to division champ preseason contest.

    I also agree with previous posting regarding brutal patriots schedule. I think the easiest money out there is betting the patriots won't hit 13 wins in the futures props. It's even money last i saw and i don't see even a remote possibility they survive that gauntlet and come out with only 3 losses.


    Agree. A lot of value in people assuming every single thing they touch turning to gold when there are numerous examples of that not being the case. It's actually shocking reading how much they're puffing up and counting on a guy that was going to be cut in Kony Ealy. The move was widely praised from a Patriots perspective and precious few know that the move cost them their draft target Dan Feeney and left a hole in their OG/C situation as a result.

    Its hilarious, that a guy who basically hasn't done anything outside of his Superbowl performance is touted as a steal for the Patriots. Kony is extremely underwhelming
    JumpmanXhawk
    NET Bench Warmer
     
    Posts: 26
    Joined: Fri Jul 15, 2016 5:25 am


  • JumpmanXhawk wrote:
    ctrcat wrote:
    Optimus25 wrote:
    VivaEfrenHerrera wrote:Because their post-bye stretch is simply brutal, and we have a favorable schedule this year. Though call, but I agree with Brandt for once.

    Eh, not so sure about the "brutal". After a perfectly-placed mid-season bye, they get four home and four away. Five of the games are in-division gimmes. They do go to QB-less Denver for a night game. The only semi-daunting match is a Week 15 jaunt to Pittsburgh, before finishing the year with two delicious cupcakes (Miami, Buffalo) served up piping hot in Gillette Stadium.

    Considering all they'll need to do is squeak out a 9-7 overall record (which includes the 6 divisional byes Brady has had every year of his career) to take it, I'd say the inevitability of their repeating can be stopped only by multiple, catastrophic injuries.
    That being said, our division is amazingly ripe for the taking this year. Between dum dum give me gum gum goff, Brian seventeen interceptions in a home playoff game hoyer, and wheelchair bound fifty seven year old Carson Palmer, there's just no smart money anywhere in this division except the hawks. I'd personally put the dolphins threat on par with the cards and the bills with the rams and the jets with the niners, except in all of those comparisons the afc East suckbots are projected to slope positive while the nfc West cannon fodder is mostly either wildly unstable or just simply unable to reach 10 wins if their lives depended on it, or in other words projected to slope negative. Which is the tie breaker in the pats vs hawks easiest path to division champ preseason contest.

    I also agree with previous posting regarding brutal patriots schedule. I think the easiest money out there is betting the patriots won't hit 13 wins in the futures props. It's even money last i saw and i don't see even a remote possibility they survive that gauntlet and come out with only 3 losses.


    Agree. A lot of value in people assuming every single thing they touch turning to gold when there are numerous examples of that not being the case. It's actually shocking reading how much they're puffing up and counting on a guy that was going to be cut in Kony Ealy. The move was widely praised from a Patriots perspective and precious few know that the move cost them their draft target Dan Feeney and left a hole in their OG/C situation as a result.

    Its hilarious, that a guy who basically hasn't done anything outside of his Superbowl performance is touted as a steal for the Patriots. Kony is extremely underwhelming


    It'd be one thing if it was just an acquisition as a rotational DE, far less than 50% of the snaps, with the potential to be more down the road. But no, it's to start, take a majority of snaps, and dominate in a contract year, just because he's a Pat. It's just, wow.
    ctrcat
    NET Veteran
     
    Posts: 821
    Joined: Thu Feb 20, 2014 8:50 am


  • ctrcat wrote:The Packers and Falcons likely to repeat is quite interesting. Julius Peppers was the Packers D. Now he and others join a core who have won the South 3 of 4 years vs. an all time hangover candidate in the Falcons. The Bucs still have no D and won 2 of the near NFL record Panthers 3 point or less losses because Derek Anderson played and Olsen fell down intentionally to preserve the #8 pick.

    The Bucs are just about ready to make a real run, so I think the Falcons better watch out.
    User avatar
    5_Golden_Rings
    NET Veteran
     
    Posts: 947
    Joined: Fri Sep 10, 2010 7:38 am


  • Optimus25 wrote:
    VivaEfrenHerrera wrote:
    bigskydoc wrote:Because their post-bye stretch is simply brutal, and we have a favorable schedule this year. Though call, but I agree with Brandt for once.

    Eh, not so sure about the "brutal". After a perfectly-placed mid-season bye, they get four home and four away. Five of the games are in-division gimmes. They do go to QB-less Denver for a night game. The only semi-daunting match is a Week 15 jaunt to Pittsburgh, before finishing the year with two delicious cupcakes (Miami, Buffalo) served up piping hot in Gillette Stadium.

    Considering all they'll need to do is squeak out a 9-7 overall record (which includes the 6 divisional byes Brady has had every year of his career) to take it, I'd say the inevitability of their repeating can be stopped only by multiple, catastrophic injuries.

    That being said, our division is amazingly ripe for the taking this year. Between dum dum give me gum gum goff, Brian seventeen interceptions in a home playoff game hoyer, and wheelchair bound fifty seven year old Carson Palmer, there's just no smart money anywhere in this division except the hawks. I'd personally put the dolphins threat on par with the cards and the bills with the rams and the jets with the niners, except in all of those comparisons the afc East suckbots are projected to slope positive while the nfc West cannon fodder is mostly either wildly unstable or just simply unable to reach 10 wins if their lives depended on it, or in other words projected to slope negative. Which is the tie breaker in the pats vs hawks easiest path to division champ preseason contest.

    I also agree with previous posting regarding brutal patriots schedule. I think the easiest money out there is betting the patriots won't hit 13 wins in the futures props. It's even money last i saw and i don't see even a remote possibility they survive that gauntlet and come out with only 3 losses.

    I'm gonna put this out here now: Brian Hoyer is the best quarterback the 49ers have had since Jeff Garcia. That isn't saying much, I know. But his numbers his last 15 games: 25 TDs, 7 INTs, 63%, 4051 yards, 93.7 passer rating,

    http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stat-a ... tions-2016
    Football Outsiders wrote: Brian Hoyer shattered the record books with precisely 200 passes without an interception -- 73 more throws than any quarterback had ever thrown before without delivering one to the other team. And that total doesn't change in adjusted interceptions. Hoyer had no throws that were dropped by defenders, or broken up by his own receiver. In fact, hardly anyone came close.
    [...]
    Hoyer was one of three qualifying quarterbacks to not benefit from a single dropped interception. Andrew Luck (13 adjusted interceptions) and Tyrod Taylor (six) were the others.


    *One interesting note for you Seahawk fans... last year Kaepernick was 6th in fewest adjusted interceptions. Whatever his flaws in the past, he protected the ball last year. Would be a solid backup QB.
    User avatar
    5_Golden_Rings
    NET Veteran
     
    Posts: 947
    Joined: Fri Sep 10, 2010 7:38 am


  • 5_Golden_Rings wrote:
    Optimus25 wrote:
    VivaEfrenHerrera wrote:
    bigskydoc wrote:Because their post-bye stretch is simply brutal, and we have a favorable schedule this year. Though call, but I agree with Brandt for once.

    Eh, not so sure about the "brutal". After a perfectly-placed mid-season bye, they get four home and four away. Five of the games are in-division gimmes. They do go to QB-less Denver for a night game. The only semi-daunting match is a Week 15 jaunt to Pittsburgh, before finishing the year with two delicious cupcakes (Miami, Buffalo) served up piping hot in Gillette Stadium.

    Considering all they'll need to do is squeak out a 9-7 overall record (which includes the 6 divisional byes Brady has had every year of his career) to take it, I'd say the inevitability of their repeating can be stopped only by multiple, catastrophic injuries.

    That being said, our division is amazingly ripe for the taking this year. Between dum dum give me gum gum goff, Brian seventeen interceptions in a home playoff game hoyer, and wheelchair bound fifty seven year old Carson Palmer, there's just no smart money anywhere in this division except the hawks. I'd personally put the dolphins threat on par with the cards and the bills with the rams and the jets with the niners, except in all of those comparisons the afc East suckbots are projected to slope positive while the nfc West cannon fodder is mostly either wildly unstable or just simply unable to reach 10 wins if their lives depended on it, or in other words projected to slope negative. Which is the tie breaker in the pats vs hawks easiest path to division champ preseason contest.

    I also agree with previous posting regarding brutal patriots schedule. I think the easiest money out there is betting the patriots won't hit 13 wins in the futures props. It's even money last i saw and i don't see even a remote possibility they survive that gauntlet and come out with only 3 losses.

    I'm gonna put this out here now: Brian Hoyer is the best quarterback the 49ers have had since Jeff Garcia. That isn't saying much, I know. But his numbers his last 15 games: 25 TDs, 7 INTs, 63%, 4051 yards, 93.7 passer rating,

    http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stat-a ... tions-2016
    Football Outsiders wrote: Brian Hoyer shattered the record books with precisely 200 passes without an interception -- 73 more throws than any quarterback had ever thrown before without delivering one to the other team. And that total doesn't change in adjusted interceptions. Hoyer had no throws that were dropped by defenders, or broken up by his own receiver. In fact, hardly anyone came close.
    [...]
    Hoyer was one of three qualifying quarterbacks to not benefit from a single dropped interception. Andrew Luck (13 adjusted interceptions) and Tyrod Taylor (six) were the others.


    *One interesting note for you Seahawk fans... last year Kaepernick was 6th in fewest adjusted interceptions. Whatever his flaws in the past, he protected the ball last year. Would be a solid backup QB.

    Agree but the price must be right.
    Josea16
    NET Veteran
     
    Posts: 850
    Joined: Sat Jan 14, 2017 2:27 am




It is currently Sun Sep 24, 2017 7:57 am

Please REGISTER to become a member

Return to [ NFL NATION ]




Information
  • Who is online