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Bruce Irvin Highlights 2016/ Rant
Tue May 30, 2017 5:21 pm
  • :greetingsearthling: Im a raider fan first but a closet seahawks fan matthew hasselbeck is who made me pay attention to the hawks then yall stole Tom cable and zack miller from us. Anyways I have no idea why you guys got rid of Bruce yall treated him like a role player. This guy notched 7 sacks,6 forced fumbles 72 tackles , 14 behind the line of scrimmage in 2016. The raiders are the new hawks ken norton,bruce irvin,malcolm smith,marshawn lynch. Our Gm openly admitted he offered schneider a 2nd rd pick for sherman but the talks cooled off a while back.Yall should of took the sec rd pick. The best thing yall did was cut skyler howard that dude was trash in college. Temper your expectations on luke joeckel I mean cable making him seem like a hall of famer he was good in college but so far in his career he is a bust.
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Re: Bruce Irvin Highlights 2016/ Rant
Tue May 30, 2017 5:32 pm
  • Bruce Irvin did leave a void that hasn't been filled yet but it came down to economics with him. He definitely was better than what was playing his spot last season and surely missed.
    Would you like Tom Cable back? Take him...This Seahawk fan wouldn't mind. The Seahawks could use an upgrade at his spot anyway. ;)
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Re: Bruce Irvin Highlights 2016/ Rant
Tue May 30, 2017 5:32 pm
  • edit: Nevermind. That was mean
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Re: Bruce Irvin Highlights 2016/ Rant
Tue May 30, 2017 5:34 pm
  • tom is a great line coach look how many projects u gave him on the line and he worked his magic
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Re: Bruce Irvin Highlights 2016/ Rant
Tue May 30, 2017 5:44 pm
  • seabird12 wrote:tom is a great line coach look how many projects u gave him on the line and he worked his magic


    We give him guys who should rank 32nd in blocking and he turns them into 30th rankers. Dude has talent.
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Re: Bruce Irvin Highlights 2016/ Rant
Tue May 30, 2017 5:48 pm
  • Too much success with too many guys. Can't keep them all. That is why he is gone.
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Re: Bruce Irvin Highlights 2016/ Rant
Tue May 30, 2017 6:00 pm
  • WHY THE LONG FACE?

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Re: Bruce Irvin Highlights 2016/ Rant
Tue May 30, 2017 6:05 pm
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Re: Bruce Irvin Highlights 2016/ Rant
Tue May 30, 2017 6:29 pm
  • Malcom Smith is now a whiner.
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Re: Bruce Irvin Highlights 2016/ Rant
Tue May 30, 2017 6:45 pm
  • Lithium wrote:
    seabird12 wrote:tom is a great line coach look how many projects u gave him on the line and he worked his magic


    We give him guys who should rank 32nd in blocking and he turns them into 30th rankers. Dude has talent.


    That's the quote of the day.
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Re: Bruce Irvin Highlights 2016/ Rant
Tue May 30, 2017 6:56 pm
  • Is that true about the Raiders offering a 2nd for Sherm? That's the first I've heard of it.

    Hey Raiders fan, we'll see you in the Super Bowl in Minny. You have to get out of a tough division first though.
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Re: Bruce Irvin Highlights 2016/ Rant
Tue May 30, 2017 7:00 pm
  • Heyseed wrote:WHY THE LONG FACE?

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    That never gets old

    How bold of you to type that anonymously :twisted: :sarcasm_on:
    I never liked him leaving. I don't know if he was looking for bucks deluxe but that is a position that hasn't been the same since the departure.
    We were criticized for the pick, many by fans and he proved worth the gamble.
    I'm glad he found a contender of a team and got to link up with former Hawks who also have rings from a sensational season.
    He's the lone Hawk from that D we cut loose who went on to still produce.
    The possible Marsh filling that role won't happen and I don't think we want Clark roaming in coverage either despite speculation of him losing weight to play it.
    I wish him nothing but the best :2thumbs:

    Just don't "Browner" us in the future :shock:
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Re: Bruce Irvin Highlights 2016/ Rant
Tue May 30, 2017 7:06 pm
  • Bruce Irvin is the second best player on your defense, while he wouldn't even be a 3 down player in ours. Last i heard raider nation wasnt happy with Ken Norton JR, something about to much talent to give up that many points... sherman for a 2nd round pick? nice troll. Good luck in the playoffs...if you make it
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Re: Bruce Irvin Highlights 2016/ Rant
Tue May 30, 2017 7:59 pm
  • Irving said before he left seattle he was willing to take a hometown discount but your front office just didnt care for the guy and he felt undervalued. Anyways you clled me troll im not sure why?
    If your saying that sherman is worth more than a second round pick then I would ask you to take his age into consideration he is not getting any younger. No team is going to fork over a first rounder for sherman and thats facts.

    Also norton is good defensive coordinator he didnt have the right players to run his scheme our corners were ass last yer noticed we drafted the tallest db in the draft in the secound and drafted conley in the first round. Norton will shine this year

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Re: Bruce Irvin Highlights 2016/ Rant
Tue May 30, 2017 8:06 pm
  • seabird12 wrote:Irving said before he left seattle he was willing to take a hometown discount but your front office just didnt care for the guy and he felt undervalued. Anyways you clled me troll im not sure why?
    If your saying that sherman is worth more than a second round pick then I would ask you to take his age into consideration he is not getting any younger. No team is going to fork over a first rounder for sherman and thats facts.

    Also norton is good defensive coordinator he didnt have the right players to run his scheme our corners were ass last yer noticed we drafted the tallest db in the draft in the secound and drafted conley in the first round. Norton will shine this year

    See you in the playoffs!!! :irishdrinkers:


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Re: Bruce Irvin Highlights 2016/ Rant
Tue May 30, 2017 8:37 pm
  • seabird12 wrote:Irving said before he left seattle he was willing to take a hometown discount but your front office just didnt care for the guy and he felt undervalued. Anyways you clled me troll im not sure why?
    If your saying that sherman is worth more than a second round pick then I would ask you to take his age into consideration he is not getting any younger. No team is going to fork over a first rounder for sherman and thats facts.

    Also norton is good defensive coordinator he didnt have the right players to run his scheme our corners were ass last yer noticed we drafted the tallest db in the draft in the secound and drafted conley in the first round. Norton will shine this year

    See you in the playoffs!!! :irishdrinkers:


    Trying to egg on Hawks fans with fake Bruce Ervin disrespect, nice. Seems 2013'sih niner fannish. Is that who your were pullling for back then, my money is on YES. Bruce left town because the Hawks couldn't pay EVERYONE. At some point they had to cut back and Bruce was a casualty of the system. If you cant comprehend that, wait 5 years and your soon to be leaving the armpit of the nation Oakland Raiders will demonstrate what happens if they win a SB. Before you get your chrome panties in a bunch, your soon to be departed bedazzled team has to have the gumption to overcome all comers. When was the last time that happened MR 2 birds in tha bush?

    This thread feels like it started in the toilet zone, and I have zero sympathy for the thread starter. Am I off base with tihs thought process?
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Re: Bruce Irvin Highlights 2016/ Rant
Tue May 30, 2017 9:07 pm
  • We put our money in better defensive players. Bruce was just OK for the Hawks. Always a great athlete, never a truly great player. Also overaged for a big 2nd contract.

    Raiders are not 'the new Hawks' as they haven't done anything in the playoffs for years. They have potential, thats about all anyone can really say.
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Re: Bruce Irvin Highlights 2016/ Rant
Wed May 31, 2017 6:39 am
  • Coug_Hawk08 wrote: Bruce was just OK for the Hawks. Always a great athlete, never a truly great player.


    I felt the same. Plus he was another attitude Pete had to deal with.
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Re: Bruce Irvin Highlights 2016/ Rant
Wed May 31, 2017 7:17 am
  • Extremely inconsistent player. He showed up about half the time. Yet wasn't afraid to talk a lot of junk w/out backing it up.
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Re: Bruce Irvin Highlights 2016/ Rant
Wed May 31, 2017 7:34 am
  • seabird12 wrote::Anyways I have no idea why you guys got rid of Bruce yall treated him like a role player. This guy notched 7 sacks,6 forced fumbles 72 tackles , 14 behind the line of scrimmage in 2016.


    Was really simple. We had too many great players to pay. Irvin was a very good player. It happens all the time to teams loaded with talent. As a Raiders fan, I expect you'll find this out in a few years when your young stars on rookie deals get into their second contracts.

    Hated him when we picked him (pined for Fletcher Cox that year). But quickly grew to love the player and became a household favorite here. He's one of the handful of players that I'd hope Seattle could manage to reunite with down the road. Was sorry to see him go. But completely understood the move and expected it well before we declined his 5th year option. Keeping Irvin would have required losing one of: Earl Thomas, Kam Chancellor, Richard Sherman, Bobby Wagner, KJ Wright, Cliff Avril or Michael Bennett. Irvin is not the equal of any of those players (at least as his role and our scheme is concerned).

    I expect his production in a different scheme or role would be far better than it was destined to be here. Much like Golden Tate.

    seabird12 wrote:Temper your expectations on luke joeckel I mean cable making him seem like a hall of famer he was good in college but so far in his career he is a bust.
    https://youtu.be/lV1P_hDHDXo :0190l:


    Nobody has unrealistic expectations for Joeckel. Cable is always a flowers and happiness kind of guy at this time of the year. This will be the third straight "Best OL we've ever assembled". The message now falls on deaf ears.

    If Joeckel can be mediocre -- I think that is an upgrade for us. In a market (and draft class) where a shade above average is netting highest contracts ever, Joeckel is a relative bargain.
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Re: Bruce Irvin Highlights 2016/ Rant
Wed May 31, 2017 7:55 am
  • I think Irvin's on air answer to the question of would you rather have a sack or an interception was rather predictive of his future. After all, Seattle's head coach begins every year with the proclamation .... "it's all about the football".
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Re: Bruce Irvin Highlights 2016/ Rant
Wed May 31, 2017 8:02 am
  • seabird12 wrote::greetingsearthling: Im a raider fan first but a closet seahawks fan matthew hasselbeck is who made me pay attention to the hawks then yall stole Tom cable and zack miller from us. Anyways I have no idea why you guys got rid of Bruce yall treated him like a role player. This guy notched 7 sacks,6 forced fumbles 72 tackles , 14 behind the line of scrimmage in 2016. The raiders are the new hawks ken norton,bruce irvin,malcolm smith,marshawn lynch. Our Gm openly admitted he offered schneider a 2nd rd pick for sherman but the talks cooled off a while back.Yall should of took the sec rd pick. The best thing yall did was cut skyler howard that dude was trash in college. Temper your expectations on luke joeckel I mean cable making him seem like a hall of famer he was good in college but so far in his career he is a bust.
    https://youtu.be/lV1P_hDHDXo :0190l:


    Bruce had more sacks here his rookie season for starters.

    Also, I see 57 combined tackles for Bruce last year, so I'm flat out calling BS on your post.
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Re: Bruce Irvin Highlights 2016/ Rant
Wed May 31, 2017 8:07 am
  • Attyla the Hawk wrote:If Joeckel can be mediocre -- I think that is an upgrade for us.


    TBF it would also be an upgrade for Joeckel.

    In any case, this is a weird thread, but I guess we can talk about Irvin in it.

    I think Irvin was a great fit in the Hawks' defense, but there was also the sense by some that he was a more multifaceted player than what the Hawks required of him, and with a scenery change he could be more of multifaceted of an impact player than what his role in Seattle allowed for.

    So far in Oakland I think he's proven that to be accurate.

    As a result it's one of those atypical situations in which I think the Hawks were as right to not resign him as the Raiders were to sign him -- that doesn't happen too much.

    As for Irvin leaving Seattle with some animosity, that's not a debatable point. Them not picking up his option and his reaction to that was incredibly well documented. I can kinda understand why the Hawks didn't do it, but since the new CBA I can't think of any other player of Irvin's ability who didn't have his option picked up.
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Re: Bruce Irvin Highlights 2016/ Rant
Wed May 31, 2017 8:12 am
  • Bruce Irvin smack? el o el.

    Every good thing Irvin did he did two boneheaded disasters. He is the perfect Raider
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Re: Bruce Irvin Highlights 2016/ Rant
Wed May 31, 2017 8:16 am
  • With regards to would of, could of, should of, John Schneider and Reggie McKenzie have a very good relationship. It's not at all adversarial. They have exchanged thoughts and found ways to help one another. I think we will continue to see more evidence of that going forward.
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Re: Bruce Irvin Highlights 2016/ Rant
Wed May 31, 2017 1:06 pm
  • Popeyejones wrote:As for Irvin leaving Seattle with some animosity, that's not a debatable point. Them not picking up his option and his reaction to that was incredibly well documented. I can kinda understand why the Hawks didn't do it, but since the new CBA I can't think of any other player of Irvin's ability who didn't have his option picked up.


    Yeah, obviously there was some bent feelings on Irvin's side.

    But Schneider has been on record that he doesn't like using the 5th year option. Granted, our sample size is small. But we've never utilized that option. Seattle has also been extremely conservative with franchise tags as well and has only used them once to my recollection and that was on a kicker.

    Seattle's a bit different in this regard. Consistent but different. I suspect that factors in fairly heavily in our annual trade out of R1 strategy.

    With other players who we did retain (Wagner, Sherman, Chancellor, Thomas, Wright), we've simply done the extension route with them. So I do think we recognized those we wanted to resign and used the traditional methodologies for that.

    I am not that well versed in the history of 1st round picks where they were granted the 5th year option (classes of '11, '12 and now '13). I suspect you're right that Irvin is one of the best players who didn't have that option picked up. Regardless though, the circumstances for letting him go still remained. Seattle had far too many extensions to defensive players either freshly inked or impending. If Seattle didn't have that many defensive stars they wanted to keep, they could have. And probably would have.

    Personally, I was surprised that we opted to retain KJ Wright, instead of Irvin. However considering the season Wright just had, I can see that was a wise choice. Ultimately, Seattle couldn't pay pro bowl market rate for three defensive backs, three linebackers and two defensive ends.

    Seattle is going to have to trim some salary somewhere when Frank Clark is due. It's possible that he'll end up forcing Seattle to either cut Avril or Bennett or manage to extend him so that cap hits come when their current deals expire.

    It's also worth noting, that Irvin ultimately got a better deal in year 5 onwards than he would have had we picked up the option. In virtually every way (guarantees, bonus and salary). He was a player who came in as a 25 year old rookie. So hitting the open market at 29 is far preferable than 30. He may still have an outside chance of getting a decent 3rd deal.
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Re: Bruce Irvin Highlights 2016/ Rant
Wed May 31, 2017 5:57 pm
  • "Seahawks" fan but then goes on some rant of "we're the new hawks" blah blah and somehow discreetly crapped on the team he's a "fan" of. lol interesting great troll
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Re: Bruce Irvin Highlights 2016/ Rant
Thu Jun 01, 2017 3:10 am
  • stang233 wrote:Malcom Smith is now a whiner.


    He will play better in SF than either of his previous spots.
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Re: Bruce Irvin Highlights 2016/ Rant
Thu Jun 01, 2017 8:28 am
  • NINEster wrote:
    stang233 wrote:Malcom Smith is now a whiner.


    He will play better in SF than either of his previous spots.

    Not likely.
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Re: Bruce Irvin Highlights 2016/ Rant
Thu Jun 01, 2017 2:23 pm
  • NINEster wrote:
    stang233 wrote:Malcom Smith is now a whiner.


    He will play better in SF than either of his previous spots.


    So he'll get 2 NFC Championship clinching interceptions and 2 Super Bowl MVPs in San Francisco?
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Re: Bruce Irvin Highlights 2016/ Rant
Thu Jun 01, 2017 5:04 pm
  • This thread has a very "Buzzb" vibe to it.
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Re: Bruce Irvin Highlights 2016/ Rant
Thu Jun 01, 2017 7:21 pm
  • Maulbert wrote:
    NINEster wrote:
    stang233 wrote:Malcom Smith is now a whiner.


    He will play better in SF than either of his previous spots.


    So he'll get 2 NFC Championship clinching interceptions and 2 Super Bowl MVPs in San Francisco?

    Ouch! That has to sting a bit! :2thumbs:
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Re: Bruce Irvin Highlights 2016/ Rant
Sun Jun 04, 2017 8:46 pm
  • NINEster wrote:
    stang233 wrote:Malcom Smith is now a whiner.


    He will play better in SF than either of his previous spots.


    If anything, he'll shine brighter given how lackluster the talent around him is now.
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