Browns cut Joe Haden

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap300000 ... -joe-haden

Crazy. A couple years ago he was talked about in the same breathe as Sherman and Revis as being the top corners in the league. Has his game really dropped that much? Wonder if we could throw $2 mil to him and get him a Super Bowl ring here in Seattle.

Heck yes give it a shot. Our financials are limited though. Can we cut some guys we've invested in that haven't quite worked out? After toiling on the Brown's all these years he has to be ready for some winning and he has a reputation as one of the best locker room guys in the league. He may do more volunteer work with kids than even Russell.

0% the Hawks get him. Someone will give him at least $6 mil a year

dutchcoug":cxa0ef27 said:

0% the Hawks get him. Someone will give him at least $6 mil a year

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I highly doubt we will get him too. But coming to Seattle is one of his best shots at getting a Super Bowl ring. So if he wants that there are only 3-4 teams that would give him as good a chance of winning a Super Bowl this year.

He gets burned all the time...his best days long behind him now. No thanks

If this was a '13 or '14 Joe Hayden the answer would be yes. But the '17 Joe Hayden? No thanks

drcool":2iji5o1m said:

Crazy. A couple years ago he was talked about in the same breathe as Sherman and Revis as being the top corners in the league. Has his game really dropped that much?

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Injuries piled up and seriously affected his play.

The Cowboys and Saints make the most sense as landing spots, but I don't think either of them could afford him.

Honestly though, if I was the Bengals or Lions (who both have 30 million + in cap room, are weak at the CB position, and on the bubble of being very good teams) I'd give both Revis and Haden fully guaranteed 5 million 1 year contracts and just see what happens.

I bet he lands in either Carolina, Indy or Cincinnati.

The pending Joe Haden cut is another interesting development. I guess $54,841,873 isn't enough cap space for the Browns. Cutting Joe Haden will add another $7,200,000 to their already bloated 2017 cap space. I would think the players union is taking notes and will site such huge cap space examples during their 2021 negotiations. Sowing the seeds of a 2021 strike. Remember these days fans .... remember these days [urltargetblank]https://overthecap.com/salary-cap-space[/urltargetblank]

Jville":1zglb9sz said:

The pending Joe Haden cut is another interesting development. I guess $54,841,873 isn't enough cap space for the Browns. Cutting Joe Haden will add another $7,200,000 to their already bloated 2017 cap space. I would think the players union is taking notes and will site such huge cap space examples during their 2021 negotiations. Sowing the seeds of a 2021 strike. Remember these days fans .... remember these days [urltargetblank]https://overthecap.com/salary-cap-space[/urltargetblank]

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It's basically already dealt with in the current CBA, in which teams have a floor spend of 89% of the salary cap over revolving four year windows.

IIRC the new window just started this year -- why the Jags and Raiders broke the FA bank last year to get over the 89% threshold for the last window, as you just fork the money over to the NFLPA for nothing if you don't make the floor.

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Jville":26ked288 said:

The pending Joe Haden cut is another interesting development. I guess $54,841,873 isn't enough cap space for the Browns. Cutting Joe Haden will add another $7,200,000 to their already bloated 2017 cap space. I would think the players union is taking notes and will site such huge cap space examples during their 2021 negotiations. Sowing the seeds of a 2021 strike. Remember these days fans .... remember these days [urltargetblank]https://overthecap.com/salary-cap-space[/urltargetblank]

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It's basically already dealt with in the current CBA, in which teams have a floor spend of 89% of the salary cap over revolving four year windows.

IIRC the new window just started this year -- why the Jags and Raiders broke the FA bank last year to get over the 89% threshold for the last window, as you just fork the money over to the NFLPA for nothing if you don't make the floor.

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I hear what you saying. However, they will use the history of the current CBA to argue for a better CBA in 2021 and if neccessary justify a strike with that history. There is going to be a price to pay. Maybe it will be as simple as a number higher than 89%. Then again, maybe it will result in a demand for a significantly restructured CBA in 2021.

Yeah, Schefter says that the Chiefs and the Saints are the most likely landing spots for him, but as a Saints fan, I am not sure if I want him. Don't get me wrong, he is a great talent, but unless you have watched the Saints this preseason, and in training camp you probably wouldn't understand. The Saints cornerbacks are actually quite good. Not Sherman/Browner good, but they are young and really performing well. I would hate to see one of these young guys lose snaps to Hayden when Hayden has really fallen off a cliff as of the last 2 years.

In short, sure he can come to the Saints, but he needs to earn his playing time.

Jville":tchr6ltd said:

The pending Joe Haden cut is another interesting development. I guess $54,841,873 isn't enough cap space for the Browns. Cutting Joe Haden will add another $7,200,000 to their already bloated 2017 cap space. I would think the players union is taking notes and will site such huge cap space examples during their 2021 negotiations. Sowing the seeds of a 2021 strike. Remember these days fans .... remember these days [urltargetblank]https://overthecap.com/salary-cap-space[/urltargetblank]

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Perspectives like these is why I visit this site daily.

he signed a deal with the Steelers 3 years / $27 million

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap300000 ... h-steelers

Well, they are unloading left and right and maybe are setting themselves up for a SUCK FOR LUCK type deal for a big name QB.

I actually think this was smart by the Browns. Do not keep bad players for high dollars (I don't know what to say about osweiler, I am not defending the team, just this move). Simple.

They asked him to take a pay cut (rightfully so), he said no. Steelers subsequently overpay for a name.

kidhawk":1s2n5i8r said:

he signed a deal with the Steelers 3 years / $27 million

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap300000 ... h-steelers

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Geesh. That didn't take long. He signed with a division rival for essentially the same money Cleveland was offering. Revenge is a dish..

rjdriver":erwnr2du said:

kidhawk":erwnr2du said:

he signed a deal with the Steelers 3 years / $27 million

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap300000 ... h-steelers

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Geesh. That didn't take long. He signed with a division rival for essentially the same money Cleveland was offering. Revenge is a dish..

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He wanted out, smart man in my opinion because everyone knew he'd get signed ASAP. Maybe Sheldon Richardson will get a clue but I doubt it.

chris98251":1mxlzvr5 said:

Well, they are unloading left and right and maybe are setting themselves up for a SUCK FOR LUCK type deal for a big name QB.

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Gee, it not obvious for you? Basically the 2018 draft is supposed to be like the 1983 draft with 7-8 franchise level quarterbacks so you have Buffalo,, Cleveland, New York Jets and San Francisco essentially tanking their seasons like Indianapolis in 2011.