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I'm calling it now
Sun Oct 15, 2017 12:36 pm
  • Niners beat Jerruh's kids next week with or without Zeke.
    *allas is ripe for the picking and SC is barely losing games.
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Re: I'm calling it now
Sun Oct 15, 2017 12:40 pm
  • I hope so we are due, lost the last 5 games.by 3 points or less NFL record :pukeface:
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Re: I'm calling it now
Sun Oct 15, 2017 3:32 pm
  • Incredibly unlikely to happen. Would be great if it did though!
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Re: I'm calling it now
Mon Oct 16, 2017 12:58 am
  • Sports Hernia wrote:Niners beat Jerruh's kids next week with or without Zeke.
    *allas is ripe for the picking and SC is barely losing games.


    With Christ Jesus Beathard quarterbacking the 49ers now, expect 10 consecutive wins. :les:
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Re: I'm calling it now
Mon Oct 16, 2017 1:06 am
  • 5_Golden_Rings wrote:
    Sports Hernia wrote:Niners beat Jerruh's kids next week with or without Zeke.
    *allas is ripe for the picking and SC is barely losing games.


    With Christ Jesus Beathard quarterbacking the 49ers now, expect 10 consecutive wins. :les:


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Re: I'm calling it now
Mon Oct 16, 2017 4:17 am
  • adeltaY wrote:Incredibly unlikely to happen. Would be great if it did though!

    Have you seen how crappy *allas's D is????? Niners don't have a win yet but have been in just about every game barely losing most of the games they played.
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Re: I'm calling it now
Mon Oct 16, 2017 4:18 am
  • chris98251 wrote:
    5_Golden_Rings wrote:
    Sports Hernia wrote:Niners beat Jerruh's kids next week with or without Zeke.
    *allas is ripe for the picking and SC is barely losing games.


    With Christ Jesus Beathard quarterbacking the 49ers now, expect 10 consecutive wins. :les:


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Re: I'm calling it now
Mon Oct 16, 2017 4:24 am
  • This guy is exactly like Alex smith early in his career except without the vagina
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Re: I'm calling it now
Mon Oct 16, 2017 5:23 am
  • I think the 9ers would have had a chance with Hoyer, but Beathard is just awful.

    I seriously don’t understand what 9ers fans see in him.
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Re: I'm calling it now
Mon Oct 16, 2017 6:23 am
  • I like him. He commanded the offense very well, he can read a defense, and he's got that Madison Bumgarnder 'aw shucks' type of confidence. His big weakness is arm strength though
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Re: I'm calling it now
Mon Oct 16, 2017 4:51 pm
  • SF49r wrote:I like him. He commanded the offense very well, he can read a defense, and he's got that Madison Bumgarnder 'aw shucks' type of confidence. His big weakness is arm strength though

    Nah, it's not arm strength. It's timing/anticipation. This makes it LOOK like the ball gets there late some times. He can throw it pretty hard and pretty far.

    Popeyejones wrote:I think the 9ers would have had a chance with Hoyer, but Beathard is just awful.

    I seriously don’t understand what 9ers fans see in him.


    If you think Hoyer is better than Beathard, then either you haven't seen a lot of Hoyer or you haven't seen a lot of Beathard.
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Re: I'm calling it now
Tue Oct 17, 2017 2:03 am
  • Popeyejones wrote:I think the 9ers would have had a chance with Hoyer, but Beathard is just awful.

    I seriously don’t understand what 9ers fans see in him.


    Are you playing jedi mind tricks with the local population Popeye? :mrgreen:
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Re: I'm calling it now
Tue Oct 17, 2017 4:27 am
  • Not playing mind tricks or having a goof. Beathard is bad.

    He's better at playing off schedule than Hoyer, for a rookie has a good control of the offense, faces pressure well, steps into the pocket well, seems to be good at diagnosing defenses pre-snap, and feels pressure well.

    a QB guy like Shanahan likes him because he does a lot of things well that rookie QBs (and even some long tenure QBs) really struggle with.

    But I think he's already pretty near to his ceiling, and his ceiling still sucks.

    His accuracy is horrible. Even when accurate his ball placement is horrible. With Beathard people are going to keep talking about receiver drops (which have plagued the team so far) but fail to mention that Beathard routinely makes easy catches hard. He did it all through college. He did all through pre-season. He did it on Sunday. His day was saved by (1) some decent run blocking after he came in, (2) the Colts giving up passes to the RBs after they were well in front, and (3) a busted coverage on one play. TBF he kept that play alive whereas Hoyer probably wouldn't have, but take away that 50 yard TD from a busted coverage due to miscommunication in the Colts' secondary and it's much more obvious how disastrous Beathard's day was, although TBF it was pretty typical for him, even in college.

    No matter what Shanahan says, unlike Hoyer he limits the types of passing concepts you can use on offense. He throws late, inaccurate floaters outside the numbers. Every time he throws timing routes outside the hashmarks every 9ers fan should be gripping onto their seats hoping the DB doesn't get a good break on the ball because what he's doing basically makes him a finely tuned pick 6 machine.

    The areas in which he excels are areas in which QBs tend to improve over time. The areas in which he struggles are the in which they don't. His only real chance for improvement is with his footwork and throwing more from his base, which he really struggles with. I still think his ceiling is a mid-range #2 QB.
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Tue Oct 17, 2017 5:55 am

Re: I'm calling it now
Thu Oct 19, 2017 2:56 am
  • Popeyejones wrote:Not playing mind tricks or having a goof. Beathard is bad.

    He's better at playing off schedule than Hoyer, for a rookie has a good control of the offense, faces pressure well, steps into the pocket well, seems to be good at diagnosing defenses pre-snap, and feels pressure well.

    a QB guy like Shanahan likes him because he does a lot of things well that rookie QBs (and even some long tenure QBs) really struggle with.

    But I think he's already pretty near to his ceiling, and his ceiling still sucks.

    His accuracy is horrible. Even when accurate his ball placement is horrible. With Beathard people are going to keep talking about receiver drops (which have plagued the team so far) but fail to mention that Beathard routinely makes easy catches hard. He did it all through college. He did all through pre-season. He did it on Sunday. His day was saved by (1) some decent run blocking after he came in, (2) the Colts giving up passes to the RBs after they were well in front, and (3) a busted coverage on one play. TBF he kept that play alive whereas Hoyer probably wouldn't have, but take away that 50 yard TD from a busted coverage due to miscommunication in the Colts' secondary and it's much more obvious how disastrous Beathard's day was, although TBF it was pretty typical for him, even in college.

    No matter what Shanahan says, unlike Hoyer he limits the types of passing concepts you can use on offense. He throws late, inaccurate floaters outside the numbers. Every time he throws timing routes outside the hashmarks every 9ers fan should be gripping onto their seats hoping the DB doesn't get a good break on the ball because what he's doing basically makes him a finely tuned pick 6 machine.

    The areas in which he excels are areas in which QBs tend to improve over time. The areas in which he struggles are the in which they don't. His only real chance for improvement is with his footwork and throwing more from his base, which he really struggles with. I still think his ceiling is a mid-range #2 QB.





    Even with his flaws he is better than Hoyer. And timing and anticipation are not PHYSICAL limitations. As he has been a pocket qb his entire life, I do not think learning to do it will be as hard as it is for qbs like Kaepernick. If he learns to anticipate better, he will be a decent starter even with the occasional inexplicable duck (which is accurate half the time anyway).


    The point is, there are two qbs on the roster and Hoyer is not the best of them. He might throw a better ball, but he has vision issues and is a statue in the pocket. Moreover, Hoyer has shown the same anticipation issues this year, so he shares the same weakness.
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Re: I'm calling it now
Thu Oct 19, 2017 5:18 am
  • 5_Golden_Rings wrote:Even with his flaws he is better than Hoyer. And timing and anticipation are not PHYSICAL limitations. As he has been a pocket qb his entire life, I do not think learning to do it will be as hard as it is for qbs like Kaepernick. If he learns to anticipate better, he will be a decent starter even with the occasional inexplicable duck (which is accurate half the time anyway).


    The point is, there are two qbs on the roster and Hoyer is not the best of them. He might throw a better ball, but he has vision issues and is a statue in the pocket. Moreover, Hoyer has shown the same anticipation issues this year, so he shares the same weakness.


    Even for people who don't care about the 9ers or Beathard, I think the following is great general read on the areas QBs usually can and cannot improve on (h/t to THL on the zone, who posted it in Beathard thread over there):

    http://insidethepylon.com/nfl/2016-nfl- ... -inherent/

    Long story short, the only thing I think Beathard can really improve on is his footwork, which is kind of a disaster.

    The other things he really struggles with (fluidity, arm talent, and throwing off balance) are things that generally don't get better.

    Long story short, he's already pretty good in most of the areas in which QBs can get better, but is bad in the areas in which QBs don't tend to get better.

    All of these things were very clear in his college tape, during the pre-season, and on Sunday too.
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Re: I'm calling it now
Thu Oct 19, 2017 9:22 am
  • Popeyejones wrote:
    5_Golden_Rings wrote:Even with his flaws he is better than Hoyer. And timing and anticipation are not PHYSICAL limitations. As he has been a pocket qb his entire life, I do not think learning to do it will be as hard as it is for qbs like Kaepernick. If he learns to anticipate better, he will be a decent starter even with the occasional inexplicable duck (which is accurate half the time anyway).


    The point is, there are two qbs on the roster and Hoyer is not the best of them. He might throw a better ball, but he has vision issues and is a statue in the pocket. Moreover, Hoyer has shown the same anticipation issues this year, so he shares the same weakness.


    Even for people who don't care about the 9ers or Beathard, I think the following is great general read on the areas QBs usually can and cannot improve on (h/t to THL on the zone, who posted it in Beathard thread over there):

    http://insidethepylon.com/nfl/2016-nfl- ... -inherent/

    Long story short, the only thing I think Beathard can really improve on is his footwork, which is kind of a disaster.

    The other things he really struggles with (fluidity, arm talent, and throwing off balance) are things that generally don't get better.

    Long story short, he's already pretty good in most of the areas in which QBs can get better, but is bad in the areas in which QBs don't tend to get better.

    All of these things were very clear in his college tape, during the pre-season, and on Sunday too.



    The problem with your assessment for me is that I disagree on his traits. Firstly, Beathard can throw with top level touch, and he can gun it too. He does NOT have bad arm talent. Not elite by any means, but superior to qbs like Kaepernick. He merely has consistency issues (likely caused by footwork). If you want to debate that point I would be willing to dig into film to show you that he can throw with touch and accurately. Ffs this preseason was probably the first time a 49er successfully threw a fade route since Alex Smith.

    As for throwing off balance, I saw him do it a number of times at Iowa, so again I am not so sure I agree with you on that analysis.


    But again, he is still better off than Hoyer, even if the 49ers have to draft Josh Rosen next season.
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Re: I'm calling it now
Thu Oct 19, 2017 9:38 am
  • Popeyejones wrote:
    His accuracy is horrible. Even when accurate his ball placement is horrible. With Beathard people are going to keep talking about receiver drops (which have plagued the team so far) but fail to mention that Beathard routinely makes easy catches hard. He did it all through college. He did all through pre-season. He did it on Sunday. His day was saved by (1) some decent run blocking after he came in, (2) the Colts giving up passes to the RBs after they were well in front, and (3) a busted coverage on one play. TBF he kept that play alive whereas Hoyer probably wouldn't have, but take away that 50 yard TD from a busted coverage due to miscommunication in the Colts' secondary and it's much more obvious how disastrous Beathard's day was, although TBF it was pretty typical for him, even in college.

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    This doesn't feel like an oxymoron to you? Ball placement is the main component of accuracy.
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Re: I'm calling it now
Thu Oct 19, 2017 1:06 pm
  • Yeah, that was kind of a weird way to phrase it.

    By accuracy I meant consistently putting the ball in a catchable window. He’s bad at that, and just missses badly a lot.

    By ball placement I meant passing a ball within that catchable window in a place that makes the catch easier and allows for the most YAC, or shields the reception from the defender. He’s bad at that too.

    By my count he had two or three total passes on Sunday that did both of these things very well. The rest were either throws he shouldn’t have made, throws that he missed, or throws that resulted in catches that were dropped or were more difficult than they needed to be.
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Re: I'm calling it now
Sun Oct 22, 2017 3:47 pm
  • Damn!!!!! swing and a miss by me. Wasn’t expecting the Niners to roll over and play dead today.
    I hate it when you root for teams you don’t like and then they let you down.
    Hoping the Niners roll over and play dead when we play them down there as well.
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Re: I'm calling it now
Sun Oct 22, 2017 5:06 pm
  • Sports Hernia wrote:Damn!!!!! swing and a miss by me. Wasn’t expecting the Niners to roll over and play dead today.
    I hate it when you root for teams you don’t like and then they let you down.
    Hoping the Niners roll over and play dead when we play them down there as well.



    Sorry pal but I was expecting this. The Cowturds have an amazing run game delivered by the sexual assault king Ezekiel. Shouldn’t have been in this game at all but it’s the cowcraps and they get all the breaks. Also holy crap does that oline hold. Almost every big play you can see it. But all in all the Niners were out classed and they got their ass whipped. No excuses. Here is to next week and another whooping by the Eagles.
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Re: I'm calling it now
Sun Oct 22, 2017 5:14 pm
  • How was Beathard today?

    I have no dog in the fight but I watched the twitter game summary Popeye posted and Beathard looked like he had the arm talent of Chad Pennington minus the anticipation, and was just an interception waiting to happen.

    I don't watch enough Niners to know if that's better/worse than Hoyer, but it seemed pretty bad objectively.
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Re: I'm calling it now
Sun Oct 22, 2017 5:29 pm
  • hawk45 wrote:How was Beathard today?

    I have no dog in the fight but I watched the twitter game summary Popeye posted and Beathard looked like he had the arm talent of Chad Pennington minus the anticipation, and was just an interception waiting to happen.

    I don't watch enough Niners to know if that's better/worse than Hoyer, but it seemed pretty bad objectively.



    I have to say Bethard is NOT the answer. But the oline is crap crap crap. He had zero time. No picks and ran for a TD. Threw for 250 something yards. So not horrible. He did get a strip sacked. When he was on the 10 about to score. The kid had zero time to breath. The cowboys were playing like it was the SB. Blitzed on every play. He is way better than Hoyer. But that’s not saying much. He might turn into something but he might not. The Niners are still in my opinion going after a QB, LB, CB, oline and a pass rusher in the off season.
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Re: I'm calling it now
Sun Oct 22, 2017 7:45 pm
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    Sports Hernia wrote:Damn!!!!! swing and a miss by me. Wasn’t expecting the Niners to roll over and play dead today.
    I hate it when you root for teams you don’t like and then they let you down.
    Hoping the Niners roll over and play dead when we play them down there as well.



    Sorry pal but I was expecting this. The Cowturds have an amazing run game delivered by the sexual assault king Ezekiel. Shouldn’t have been in this game at all but it’s the cowcraps and they get all the breaks. Also holy crap does that oline hold. Almost every big play you can see it. But all in all the Niners were out classed and they got their ass whipped. No excuses. Here is to next week and another whooping by the Eagles.

    Yeah *allas gets away with more games obvious holds than any other team in the NFL.
    The next time a big EE run gets called back because of offensive holding, it will be the first time.

    *allas’s defense is NOT good, the secondary is horrible and their linebackers outside of a severely overrated Sean Lee suck as well. I’m surprised even a not very good Niners team didn’t put up 20+ on them.
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Re: I'm calling it now
Sun Oct 22, 2017 7:52 pm
  • Sean Lee isn't a Wagner/Kuechly level guy, but he's absolutely essential to their defense. I told you man, Dallas is still one of the best teams in the league. Hate em, but it's a fact. Dak has been excellent this season.

    I though SF had two of the best OTs in the league? Is it the interior that's sinking your line?
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Sun Oct 22, 2017 10:01 pm
  • adeltaY wrote:Sean Lee isn't a Wagner/Kuechly level guy, but he's absolutely essential to their defense. I told you man, Dallas is still one of the best teams in the league. Hate em, but it's a fact. Dak has been excellent this season.

    I though SF had two of the best OTs in the league? Is it the interior that's sinking your line?

    Naw, when there O is clicking they are one of the best offenses, their defense still sucks and their defense will keep them out of th playoffs, and if they are lucky enough to get in, they are one and done.
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Re: I'm calling it now
Mon Oct 23, 2017 5:40 am
  • Sports Hernia wrote:
    rlkats wrote:
    Sports Hernia wrote:Damn!!!!! swing and a miss by me. Wasn’t expecting the Niners to roll over and play dead today.
    I hate it when you root for teams you don’t like and then they let you down.
    Hoping the Niners roll over and play dead when we play them down there as well.



    Sorry pal but I was expecting this. The Cowturds have an amazing run game delivered by the sexual assault king Ezekiel. Shouldn’t have been in this game at all but it’s the cowcraps and they get all the breaks. Also holy crap does that oline hold. Almost every big play you can see it. But all in all the Niners were out classed and they got their ass whipped. No excuses. Here is to next week and another whooping by the Eagles.

    Yeah *allas gets away with more games obvious holds than any other team in the NFL.
    The next time a big EE run gets called back because of offensive holding, it will be the first time.

    *allas’s defense is NOT good, the secondary is horrible and their linebackers outside of a severely overrated Sean Lee suck as well. I’m surprised even a not very good Niners team didn’t put up 20+ on them.




    I think if the Niners oline was a bit better they could have easily. They were in scoring position on two different times but turned the ball over.
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