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  • "Jackson 5" is their proposed nickname.

    After picking off Roethlisberger five times, two for TDs, they seem to be the real deal.

    Gus installed a monster in North Florida.

    I'm rooting to see them become best defense of the AFC.
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  • NINEster wrote:"Jackson 5" is their proposed nickname.

    After picking off Roethlisberger five times, two for TDs, they seem to be the real deal.

    Gus installed a monster in North Florida.

    I'm rooting to see them become best defense of the AFC.


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  • The Jags might win the Superbowl if they had a QB. Bradley defintly acculated some talent there but picking up Bouye and Campbell in the off-season really put the final touches on that D.
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  • Defense and running game are really good, they'll get into trouble if Bortles has to win games though.
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  • mistaowen wrote:Defense and running game are really good, they'll get into trouble if Bortles has to win games though.



    Yep.

    It's crazy trying to watch them win while trying to totally avoid the existence of QB as a position in the offense.

    Not to beat a dead horse, but if they had brought in Kapernick I seriously think they would be Super Bowl contenders.

    That's not a ringing endorsement of Kaepernick's play either.

    Their pass defense and run offense are simply that good, and Bortles is simply that bad. Add in a mediocre, high variance QB who doesn't turn the ball over like Kaepernick and they could have seriously ignited this year.
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  • Popeyejones wrote:
    mistaowen wrote:Defense and running game are really good, they'll get into trouble if Bortles has to win games though.



    Yep.

    It's crazy trying to watch them win while trying to totally avoid the existence of QB as a position in the offense.

    Not to beat a dead horse, but if they had brought in Kapernick I seriously think they would be Super Bowl contenders.

    That's not a ringing endorsement of Kaepernick's play either.

    Their pass defense and run offense are simply that good, and Bortles is simply that bad. Add in a mediocre, high variance QB who doesn't turn the ball over like Kaepernick and they could have seriously ignited this year.



    I think the only way for that to be true is if they had an all around elite defense - but they don't. Their run defense is horrible. Kap is not a better passer than Bortles, so they might be better, but I'm thinking only by two wins or so. If their run defense was even just league average though they would almost be the exact same type of team as the Niner teams Kap had success on...

    But then again Harbaugh IMO is a QB whisperer, and Marrone is not.
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  • Ramfan128 wrote: Their run defense is horrible.


    It's not good. True. That said, there also hasn't been a better time in NFL history to have an elite pass defense and below average run defense.


    Ramfan128 wrote: Kap is not a better passer than Bortles


    Strongly agree to disagree, and that is in no way a compliment of Kaepernick.

    And even beyond his superiority as a passer, Kaepernick would make the strength of their offense (their run game) even better, unlike Bortles who is the primary reason why Fournette gets stuffed so frequently.

    Kaepernick would have opened up the strength of their run game even more, the same way Mariota does for TN on the weeks when he's healthy.
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  • To say that Kaep isn't as good a passer as Bortles is ridiculous, he's much better.

    I agree their run defense isn't good enough. They can easily improve on that, though. I agree that their corner duo is up there, right below Harris and Talib. Safeties seems solid but not spectacular. I'd still take Denver overall.
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  • chris98251 wrote:
    NINEster wrote:"Jackson 5" is their proposed nickname.

    After picking off Roethlisberger five times, two for TDs, they seem to be the real deal.

    Gus installed a monster in North Florida.

    I'm rooting to see them become best defense of the AFC.


    Really, really bored this season aren't you.


    LOL.

    After the Jackson 5 makes Seahawk fans question Wilson on December 10th, it will be more exciting.

    Hell, the Giants may do a little bit of that this Sunday. :lol:
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  • With as many top 10 picks they have had over the past 6 seasons they should be one of the best teams in the NFL by now.
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  • Hawk_Nation wrote:With as many top 10 picks they have had over the past 6 seasons they should be one of the best teams in the NFL by now.


    You'd think. The Browns should be a dynasty by now. Guess there is something to be said for ownership, management an good coaching.
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  • Our defensive coordinator right now was our d-line and run game coordinator who used to be your d-line coach in 2011/2012 - Todd Wash. So Bradley gave us that. lol.

    We still essentially run the same scheme still. It's just that between Ramsey, Bouye, Gipson and Barry Church we have so much depth that Wash essentially gives them freedom to roam and play where they believe they need to be. He trusts them and plays a lot more man coverage than the Seattle scheme typically allows.

    Our d-line is loaded. Campbell is a half sack behind in leading the league. Wash plays him as the big end and inside as a defensive tackle. Ngakoue is one of the best young edge rushers in the game. He's being chipped/schemed against almost as much as Von Miller and Khalil Mack according to PFF. Malik Jackson has always been a monster. The game against you guys is gonna be a great defensive battle.
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  • Gusbusser wrote:Our defensive coordinator right now was our d-line and run game coordinator who used to be your d-line coach in 2011/2012 - Todd Wash. So Bradley gave us that. lol.

    We still essentially run the same scheme still. It's just that between Ramsey, Bouye, Gipson and Barry Church we have so much depth that Wash essentially gives them freedom to roam and play where they believe they need to be. He trusts them and plays a lot more man coverage than the Seattle scheme typically allows.

    Our d-line is loaded. Campbell is a half sack behind in leading the league. Wash plays him as the big end and inside as a defensive tackle. Ngakoue is one of the best young edge rushers in the game. He's being chipped/schemed against almost as much as Von Miller and Khalil Mack according to PFF. Malik Jackson has always been a monster. The game against you guys is gonna be a great defensive battle.


    Agreed with all of this, but the bolded is a bit outdated. Even the Hawks are running man coverage for the majority of the their defensive snaps these days (it' a little harder to see b/c they're running cover 1 man a lot because until you start using motion it presents the same as a cover 3 zone with Thomas as the single high).
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  • I have also heard "Cat 5" as a nickname. Plays on the Jaguars-cats thing and also hurricanes.

    The defense the Jags have put together is definitely legit. Definitely a top 10 defense and probably top 5. Great secondary and a good pass rush. Fournette is a star. If Allen Robinson hadn't gotten hurt their receivers would have been a good squad as well.

    But even all of that isn't good enough to overcome the play of Bortles.
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  • Hawk_Nation wrote:With as many top 10 picks they have had over the past 6 seasons they should be one of the best teams in the NFL by now.


    They're a Colin Kaepernick away from being SB contenders
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  • ludakrishna wrote:
    Hawk_Nation wrote:With as many top 10 picks they have had over the past 6 seasons they should be one of the best teams in the NFL by now.


    They're a Colin Kaepernick away from being SB contenders



    you are completely over rating Kaepernick. Kap is not a good quarterback. With him under center, it would be garbage out - garbage in in Jacksonville. They would be in the same position they are now.
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  • Pape wrote:
    ludakrishna wrote:
    Hawk_Nation wrote:With as many top 10 picks they have had over the past 6 seasons they should be one of the best teams in the NFL by now.


    They're a Colin Kaepernick away from being SB contenders



    you are completely over rating Kaepernick. Kap is not a good quarterback. With him under center, it would be garbage out - garbage in in Jacksonville. They would be in the same position they are now.


    Kaepernick >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bortles
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  • Popeyejones wrote:
    Gusbusser wrote:Our defensive coordinator right now was our d-line and run game coordinator who used to be your d-line coach in 2011/2012 - Todd Wash. So Bradley gave us that. lol.

    We still essentially run the same scheme still. It's just that between Ramsey, Bouye, Gipson and Barry Church we have so much depth that Wash essentially gives them freedom to roam and play where they believe they need to be. He trusts them and plays a lot more man coverage than the Seattle scheme typically allows.

    Our d-line is loaded. Campbell is a half sack behind in leading the league. Wash plays him as the big end and inside as a defensive tackle. Ngakoue is one of the best young edge rushers in the game. He's being chipped/schemed against almost as much as Von Miller and Khalil Mack according to PFF. Malik Jackson has always been a monster. The game against you guys is gonna be a great defensive battle.


    Agreed with all of this, but the bolded is a bit outdated. Even the Hawks are running man coverage for the majority of the their defensive snaps these days (it' a little harder to see b/c they're running cover 1 man a lot because until you start using motion it presents the same as a cover 3 zone with Thomas as the single high).


    Good call-out. We play man at the 4th highest rate in the league at 47.9%, per PFF. Not sure where the Jags stand in comparison, but they aren't in the top 5.
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  • ludakrishna wrote:
    Pape wrote:
    ludakrishna wrote:
    Hawk_Nation wrote:With as many top 10 picks they have had over the past 6 seasons they should be one of the best teams in the NFL by now.


    They're a Colin Kaepernick away from being SB contenders



    you are completely over rating Kaepernick. Kap is not a good quarterback. With him under center, it would be garbage out - garbage in in Jacksonville. They would be in the same position they are now.


    Kaepernick >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bortles
    Correct but he'll probably never play in the NFL again so it's irrelevant. Guy should have accepted our offer.
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  • ludakrishna wrote:
    Kaepernick >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bortles



    Kaepernick =============== Bortles



    you really need to look at the numbers between the two, they are remarkably similar. Only difference is Bortles throws a ton more.

    Or dont, and keep keep living in denial
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  • Impressive that the Rams beat them.

    http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap300000 ... on-unfolds

    Yannick Ngakoue and the other guys on the Jaguars' defense

    Jacksonville's defense is so good that I could highlight a different player every week and not run out of worthy subjects before the end of the season. Free-agent pickup Calais Campbell and star cornerback Jalen Ramsey are both worthy Defensive Player of the Year candidates, and the world at large has finally caught up to how good linebacker Telvin Smith is. But Sunday's performance against the Browns by underrated second-year pass rusher Yannick Ngakoue was a reminder that Jacksonville has so many different players capable of taking over a game.

    Ngakoue finished with 2.5 sacks and was officially credited with two forced fumbles, although he was involved in three, including back to back fourth-quarter plays to seal the game. He has incredible burst off the line for a defensive end and swoops in to knock fumbles out like a power forward blocking an opponent on a fast break. On most defenses, he'd be a breakout star, having amassed 45 total pressures on the season, according to Pro Football Focus -- that's only two fewer than Campbell. On the Jaguars, he's probably not among the five most valuable defensive players.

    Guys like Ngakoue, linebacker Myles Jack and safeties Barry Church and Tashaun Gipson have all quietly done their jobs well this season for a Jaguars defense as deep in talent as any in recent memory. It's a defense good enough to make tackles Malik Jackson and Marcell Dareus, two of the highest-paid players at their position, into quality role players. Every week is a chance for a new player to take his star turn.
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