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Andrew Luck to IR
Thu Nov 02, 2017 9:43 am
  • It just broke on NFL.com. chalk up another year when Luck doesn't see the field due to injury. I said it before, I don't see the mythical appeal pundits often associate with him as being a Top 10 QB or whatever. His tenure in Indy has been marred with injuries and occasional above average play.

    Does Indy start thinking of getting a new QB in the next draft or two? Or just hopes that Mr. Glass can return someday?
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Re: Andrew Luck to IR
Thu Nov 02, 2017 9:57 am
  • I'm sure Luck will be fine by the start of next year, but he's definitely shown himself to be far less reliable and statistically inferior to Wilson.

    Career Stats

    Wilson | 64.6% completion percentage | 20,201 yards | 142 TD | 49 INT | 99.7 Rating

    Luck | 59.2% completion percentage | 19,078 yards | 132 TD | 68 INT | 87.3 Rating


    Russell Wilson's passer rating has been higher every year but 2 than Luck's Highest rating.

    Russell Wilson has been rated over 100 in a season 4 times (including this year) | Luck has never even broken a 97 rating

    Wilson's best year rating 110.1 while Luck's is 96.5

    I do remember people vocally wishing we'd "Suck for Luck" that year. I wonder how they are feeling about that now
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Re: Andrew Luck to IR
Thu Nov 02, 2017 10:00 am
  • It's an absolute shame what guys like Grigson and Shanahan did to the careers of Luck and RG3.
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Re: Andrew Luck to IR
Thu Nov 02, 2017 10:18 am
  • kobebryant wrote:It's an absolute shame what guys like Grigson and Shanahan did to the careers of Luck and RG3.


    Overall I agree, but the players themselves need to take some responsibility for what happened to them because they didn't protect themselves. Nobody was putting a gun to their heads and telling them to play. I get the whole being a tough guy and playing through pain and all, but the players deserve to be held accountable.

    RG3 didn't protect himself running the ball and staying out when his knee was already seriously injured. Luck reportedly played over a year with a torn labrum in his throwing shoulder plus various rib and abdominal injuries.
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Re: Andrew Luck to IR
Thu Nov 02, 2017 10:55 am
  • JGfromtheNW wrote:
    kobebryant wrote:It's an absolute shame what guys like Grigson and Shanahan did to the careers of Luck and RG3.


    Overall I agree, but the players themselves need to take some responsibility for what happened to them because they didn't protect themselves. Nobody was putting a gun to their heads and telling them to play. I get the whole being a tough guy and playing through pain and all, but the players deserve to be held accountable.

    RG3 didn't protect himself running the ball and staying out when his knee was already seriously injured. Luck reportedly played over a year with a torn labrum in his throwing shoulder plus various rib and abdominal injuries.


    You're right. But tapping out to protect yourself is the antithesis of what people want in their franchise QBs, even if it is for the long-term good of the player and the franchise. I think this is where it is incumbent upon the Head Coach to take the decisions out of the players hands and make it clear to everyone that it was the coaches decision, and not the players.

    Specifically to RG3, I don't blame him for pushing to take the field, and what a garbage field it was (cost Crish Clemons his ACL) for that playoff game against the Hawks; but Shanahan should have known how bad the knee was and told him 'no'. How that organization could have invested so much draft and marketing capital to go get RG3 and not invest in a fast fieldturf track for their track star QB to play on, instead having him run around in that muck, is beyond me.

    In the case of Luck, Grigson put such a terrible team around him that Luck end up shouldering so much. With a terrible oline and without the individual escapability and self-preservation skills of Russell Wilson, disaster was bound to strike. I think Luck does have more responsibility than RG3 for his career trajectory. Really could have protected himself better.

    With Luck, given his varying interests and high intelligence I have to wonder how much longer he'll want to do this. Eventually, it has to become a Ricky Watters, "For who? For What?" situation.
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Re: Andrew Luck to IR
Thu Nov 02, 2017 4:46 pm
  • Looking like Luck is an injury bust.
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Re: Andrew Luck to IR
Thu Nov 02, 2017 5:02 pm
  • Poor Andrew, his drunk owner has screwed his life over.

    Luck's dad should have pulled a Manning and refused to let his son play for the Dolts.
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Re: Andrew Luck to IR
Thu Nov 02, 2017 5:21 pm
  • They should really consider trading him next year. If some other team still has rose colored glasses (never know), that might help them build it the right way.
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Re: Andrew Luck to IR
Thu Nov 02, 2017 5:29 pm
  • So Wilson should have taken himself out of games last year with his ankle, knee and torn Pectoral because we had a shitty O line from what I am getting from JGfromtheNW.
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Re: Andrew Luck to IR
Thu Nov 02, 2017 6:22 pm
  • kobebryant wrote:It's an absolute shame what guys like Grigson and Shanahan did to the careers of Luck and RG3.


    yet RW has been pounded and hit more than them and played hurt.
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Re: Andrew Luck to IR
Thu Nov 02, 2017 8:38 pm
  • Remember Russell played hurt all last year. Thank goodness he's recovered.
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Re: Andrew Luck to IR
Fri Nov 03, 2017 6:26 am
  • kidhawk wrote:I'm sure Luck will be fine by the start of next year, but he's definitely shown himself to be far less reliable and statistically inferior to Wilson.

    Career Stats

    Wilson | 64.6% completion percentage | 20,201 yards | 142 TD | 49 INT | 99.7 Rating

    Luck | 59.2% completion percentage | 19,078 yards | 132 TD | 68 INT | 87.3 Rating


    Russell Wilson's passer rating has been higher every year but 2 than Luck's Highest rating.

    Russell Wilson has been rated over 100 in a season 4 times (including this year) | Luck has never even broken a 97 rating

    Wilson's best year rating 110.1 while Luck's is 96.5

    I do remember people vocally wishing we'd "Suck for Luck" that year. I wonder how they are feeling about that now



    Let me preface this by saying, 2 weeks after SB48 my 2nd child, Oliver Wilson was born, so you should know how I feel about Wilson.


    I was one of the people who wanted to suck for luck. While I think Russ is going to go down as the greatest Seahawk of all time, I think Luck would have been successful here. He would not have had an incompetent GM or a terrible coach. I also don't think JS would have gone the cheapo OL route without a mobile QB like Russ. Would Luck have been as successful as Wilson? There's no way to know. I have been a vocal supporter of the idea that actual on field performance, Wilson has been the better QB. I do strongly believe though, that Pete would have a slightly different game plan with Luck and it would also probably be successful.
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Re: Andrew Luck to IR
Fri Nov 03, 2017 7:09 am
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Re: Andrew Luck to IR
Fri Nov 03, 2017 7:13 am
  • chris98251 wrote:So Wilson should have taken himself out of games last year with his ankle, knee and torn Pectoral because we had a shitty O line from what I am getting from JGfromtheNW.


    There were a lot of people last year who thought he should do exactly that
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Re: Andrew Luck to IR
Fri Nov 03, 2017 7:21 am
  • chris98251 wrote:So Wilson should have taken himself out of games last year with his ankle, knee and torn Pectoral because we had a shitty O line from what I am getting from JGfromtheNW.


    There was a large portion of this board that wanted RW to sit out, heal and get right for the end of the season. If he had sustained another big injury, or the injuries he had got way worse and he was still recovering THIS season, it would reflect terribly on our coaches and RW for not protecting our franchise's biggest investment, would it not?
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Re: Andrew Luck to IR
Fri Nov 03, 2017 8:58 am
  • JGfromtheNW wrote:
    chris98251 wrote:So Wilson should have taken himself out of games last year with his ankle, knee and torn Pectoral because we had a shitty O line from what I am getting from JGfromtheNW.


    There was a large portion of this board that wanted RW to sit out, heal and get right for the end of the season. If he had sustained another big injury, or the injuries he had got way worse and he was still recovering THIS season, it would reflect terribly on our coaches and RW for not protecting our franchise's biggest investment, would it not?


    I can take my car on the highway and if someone dings it do I park it till it gets fixed? How do I get to work?

    They are pretty cautious with players here, if they feel they can't go they will sit them, Thomas is a good example this year, Lynch being another where he would not get pushed during the week so he could play on Sundays as well. Things that may cause many here to take L & I leave are just a hiccup for these players.

    It's when the players don't come clean on how hurt they are that things get messy.

    I think the biggest aspect of Wilson playing was that Boykin was our back up, and Pete hates the potential for turnovers.
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Re: Andrew Luck to IR
Fri Nov 03, 2017 9:13 am
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    kidhawk wrote:I'm sure Luck will be fine by the start of next year, but he's definitely shown himself to be far less reliable and statistically inferior to Wilson.

    Career Stats

    Wilson | 64.6% completion percentage | 20,201 yards | 142 TD | 49 INT | 99.7 Rating

    Luck | 59.2% completion percentage | 19,078 yards | 132 TD | 68 INT | 87.3 Rating


    Russell Wilson's passer rating has been higher every year but 2 than Luck's Highest rating.

    Russell Wilson has been rated over 100 in a season 4 times (including this year) | Luck has never even broken a 97 rating

    Wilson's best year rating 110.1 while Luck's is 96.5

    I do remember people vocally wishing we'd "Suck for Luck" that year. I wonder how they are feeling about that now



    Let me preface this by saying, 2 weeks after SB48 my 2nd child, Oliver Wilson was born, so you should know how I feel about Wilson.


    I was one of the people who wanted to suck for luck. While I think Russ is going to go down as the greatest Seahawk of all time, I think Luck would have been successful here. He would not have had an incompetent GM or a terrible coach. I also don't think JS would have gone the cheapo OL route without a mobile QB like Russ. Would Luck have been as successful as Wilson? There's no way to know. I have been a vocal supporter of the idea that actual on field performance, Wilson has been the better QB. I do strongly believe though, that Pete would have a slightly different game plan with Luck and it would also probably be successful.


    I'm not saying Luck isn't a talented quarterback, my point is that we didn't have to spend an entire season in misery to get a franchise quarterback. Anything can happen in the NFL. Highly regarded quarterbacks who get drafted early don't always do well, and later picks who everyone passed over multiple times can turn into gold. There are just too many factors, and as a fan, I enjoy the wins my team brings even in seasons that don't bring us the playoffs or a super bowl.

    If we ended up getting a first pick in the draft, yes I'd have taken Luck. I'd be a fool to say I'd have taken Wilson or anyone else with that pick, but luckily, we were able to pull out 7 wins and still get our franchise quarterback in that draft. Would have been nicer had we got more wins, but with T-Jack and clipboard jesus at the helm, it wasn't going to happen.
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Re: Andrew Luck to IR
Fri Nov 03, 2017 11:22 am
  • I think this is more about the state of the Colts than Luck.

    Even if he came back and was awesome, they would end up 7-9 best case. No reason to play him this year, at all. Get a high draft pick, trade it like the Rams did for a good haul and build a foundation of talent that can grow with Luck.

    Also, fire Pagano.
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Re: Andrew Luck to IR
Fri Nov 03, 2017 12:20 pm
  • Ramfan128 wrote:I think this is more about the state of the Colts than Luck.

    Even if he came back and was awesome, they would end up 7-9 best case. No reason to play him this year, at all. Get a high draft pick, trade it like the Rams did for a good haul and build a foundation of talent that can grow with Luck.

    Also, fire Pagano.



    But he got executive of the year for drafting Luck :)
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Re: Andrew Luck to IR
Fri Nov 03, 2017 12:38 pm
  • chris98251 wrote:
    Ramfan128 wrote:I think this is more about the state of the Colts than Luck.

    Even if he came back and was awesome, they would end up 7-9 best case. No reason to play him this year, at all. Get a high draft pick, trade it like the Rams did for a good haul and build a foundation of talent that can grow with Luck.

    Also, fire Pagano.



    But he got executive of the year for drafting Luck :)



    Nah. He got executive of the year for trading for Vontae Davis, drafting Luck, drafting Hilton, and the Colts going from the worst team in the NFL to an 11 win team in one year.
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Re: Andrew Luck to IR
Fri Nov 03, 2017 12:43 pm
  • Ramfan128 wrote:
    chris98251 wrote:
    Ramfan128 wrote:I think this is more about the state of the Colts than Luck.

    Even if he came back and was awesome, they would end up 7-9 best case. No reason to play him this year, at all. Get a high draft pick, trade it like the Rams did for a good haul and build a foundation of talent that can grow with Luck.

    Also, fire Pagano.



    But he got executive of the year for drafting Luck :)



    Nah. He got executive of the year for trading for Vontae Davis, drafting Luck, drafting Hilton, and the Colts going from the worst team in the NFL to an 11 win team in one year.


    Like I said he sucked for Luck and then they won. :)
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Re: Andrew Luck to IR
Fri Nov 03, 2017 12:44 pm
  • Ramfan128 wrote:
    chris98251 wrote:
    Ramfan128 wrote:I think this is more about the state of the Colts than Luck.

    Even if he came back and was awesome, they would end up 7-9 best case. No reason to play him this year, at all. Get a high draft pick, trade it like the Rams did for a good haul and build a foundation of talent that can grow with Luck.

    Also, fire Pagano.



    But he got executive of the year for drafting Luck :)



    Nah. He got executive of the year for trading for Vontae Davis, drafting Luck, drafting Hilton, and the Colts going from the worst team in the NFL to an 11 win team in one year.


    Would any of those other things have won it for him if he didn't draft Luck? Maybe winning 11 games, but again, that only happened because he drafted Luck. So yes, he got executive of the year because he drafted Luck.
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Re: Andrew Luck to IR
Fri Nov 03, 2017 12:51 pm
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    chris98251 wrote:
    Ramfan128 wrote:I think this is more about the state of the Colts than Luck.

    Even if he came back and was awesome, they would end up 7-9 best case. No reason to play him this year, at all. Get a high draft pick, trade it like the Rams did for a good haul and build a foundation of talent that can grow with Luck.

    Also, fire Pagano.



    But he got executive of the year for drafting Luck :)



    Nah. He got executive of the year for trading for Vontae Davis, drafting Luck, drafting Hilton, and the Colts going from the worst team in the NFL to an 11 win team in one year.


    Would any of those other things have won it for him if he didn't draft Luck? Maybe winning 11 games, but again, that only happened because he drafted Luck. So yes, he got executive of the year because he drafted Luck.



    Obviously. Generally no team is going to do anything without having a QB.

    But saying he only got it because he drafted Luck is somewhat belittling. Davis and Hilton were key moves as well, and a 9 game difference is ultimately what did it.

    It's severely unlikely that any team that was the worst in the NFL (which they were sans Manning) is going to go 11-5 the next year, regardless of who they pick at #1. Especially if you don't believe Luck to be a great QB.

    So even after drafting Luck, it was still a huge surprise for that team to go 11-5 - and even moreso when you consider that the Texans were really good that year.
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Re: Andrew Luck to IR
Fri Nov 03, 2017 1:00 pm
  • Luck getting paid the big bucks to do NOTHING..He knew he had this injury but jacked around,wasted time and then decided to have this surgery knowing damn well because of the timing he would miss training camp at least.
    Before anyone thinks I don't know what I'm talking about:I had the surgery on a completely torn labrum in my shoulder.
    His was partially torn.It took me 6 months with therapy to get back to work full time.I did not even do my therapy 100% otherwise it would have been sooner.There was pain after the surgery and doing therapy because you get inflamation
    which is normal(you get pills) and it goes away.
    Luck the "sissy" who has the best therapists,trainers,equipment and is in better shape than I ever was cannot handle the pain.The same pain I had with a lot less help than he had.
    He is WEAK and I lost any respect I had for him(not that it matters)I am so glad he isn't on our team.
    RW is by far the stronger man and better QB .
    The Colts better cut him loose asap.I hope Arizona takes him lol.
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