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Jimmy G is now 6-0. This guy sees all his receivers, he throws deep, he can run. They get it done in the R z.

I watched them against Jax and they're not the team that lost to sea at all
 

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SantaClaraHawk":2njaohqc said:
Jimmy G is now 6-0. This guy sees all his receivers, he throws deep, he can run. They get it done in the R z.

I watched them against Jax and they're not the team that lost to sea at all
While you are correct, why would you watch them and not Seattle? You can totally stream illegally ;)
 

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The thing I like about Jimmy is his accuracy, pocket presence and accuracy. He actually goes through his progressions well. It was a great pick up.
 

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Funny how the QB position can improve the play of the entire offense
 
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5_Golden_Rings":fg5e1ui8 said:
SantaClaraHawk":fg5e1ui8 said:
Jimmy G is now 6-0. This guy sees all his receivers, he throws deep, he can run. They get it done in the R z.

I watched them against Jax and they're not the team that lost to sea at all
While you are correct, why would you watch them and not Seattle? You can totally stream illegally ;)

My router went out.:(
 

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So the Savior just whooped the #1 defense and the Niners D just made Bortles look like Bortles... They'd be a threat now but we don't have to play them. Bless.
 

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Next year we will have a handful with the rams and niners. Good thing the cardinals might still suck.
 

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I remember a world beater last year that went 13-3, a beat up Seattle defense made him look like crap today. Once teams get film on a guy and start gameplanning around said players weaknesses sometimes success slows down. Doesn’t matter if it’s Shady Brady, Russell Wilson, last years golden boy Dak Prescott, or this year’s golden boy Jimmy G
Small sample sizes.
 

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Sports Hernia":1mrkxsrw said:
I remember a world beater last year that went 13-3, a beat up Seattle defense made him look like crap today. Once teams get film on a guy and start gameplanning around said players weaknesses sometimes success slows down. Doesn’t matter if it’s Shady Brady, Russell Wilson, last years golden boy Dak Prescott, or this year’s golden boy Jimmy G
Small sample sizes.

While true....I think he could be at least in the top half of starting QBs in the league. I wouldnt call his supporting cast a good one on offense...at least not compared to what Dak had last year. Only good thing is they will have to pay him alot of money next year instead of having good QB play on a cheap contract
 

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He was throwing to guys straight off the street/practice squad and shredded a 2013 seahawks level defense. He's legit.
 

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Jed York's master plan:

Step 1. Refuse to pay Garoppolo $20+ million.

Step 2. Convince your parents to sell the team amid the public outcry.

Step 3. Become a billionaire.

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He was throwing to guys straight off the street/practice squad and shredded a 2013 seahawks level defense. He's legit.
I bet you said the same thing about Dak last year as well!
Not saying that Jimmy G is going to be the next Johnny football just that a few of you are putting the cart in front of the horse.
 

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Sports Hernia":wdrnb9ar said:
I remember a world beater last year that went 13-3, a beat up Seattle defense made him look like crap today. Once teams get film on a guy and start gameplanning around said players weaknesses sometimes success slows down. Doesn’t matter if it’s Shady Brady, Russell Wilson, last years golden boy Dak Prescott, or this year’s golden boy Jimmy G
Small sample sizes.
These kind of blanket statements always bother me because they ignore highly relevant details.

Let's start with Kaepernick. How did defenses figure him out? Was it the zone-read? Nope. It was his long release and his lack of anticipatory throwing ability.

Defenses began to realize that with Kap's long release and his tendency to need to see the WR open, they could play off the WR and then break as soon as he cocked his arm, knowing they'd get there in time. His four interception game against Arizona is what did it. From then on, Kaepernick was spooked into hesitating constantly, which only made his problems worse. It took an entire year and the right coaching staff to get him functional again.

So what happened? Defenses found a predictable and reliable physical weakness he had (long release) along with a predictable and reliable action (needing to see WRs open before throwing, resulting in his eyes betraying where he wanted to go with the ball). That's when he was "figured out." Now with his passing ability neutralized, defenses could stuff the box and limit his other attributes.



Shady Brady? Dude defenses have not actually figured him out. He is still routinely competing for MVP, and no scheming has yet to predictably and reliably stop him. Why? Because he has no physical or other weakness that is predictably reliable. You can say Brady can't move much, but that isn't a physical handicap for a pocket quarterback. The fact is Brady has no predictable weaknesses. Neither does Drew Brees (other than his height, but his vision neutralizes that weakness), or many other great pocket quarterbacks.




Russell Wilson: Russell has a predictable physical weakness (his height); it will be there every game, and the result is he is not very great at rhythm passing, in particular on the shorter routes. This is, however, rendered irrelevant by his athletic ability. What Russell Wilson presents is a predictable weakness TO THE DEFENSE weak in and weak out. The defense must always be careful in their pass rush every time they play Seattle, and must often spy him. Wilson has not been neutralized by NFL defenses. Even when he's playing badly he makes plays. So yeah, put Wilson in a similar category with Brady. No one has "figured him out" yet because even though defenses know what is coming, by its very nature what he does is unpredictable. No one knows which way he's going to dart, or when he's going to see the WR breaking open, or where on the field. You know it's coming, but it's still unpredictable.



Dak Prescott: His weaknesses have always been known, and they are mechanical and mental. (1) He has poor pocket comfort, (2) he does what Kaepernick does; throws when he sees the WR open rather than anticipating, and throwing to the target rather than leading the target. Defenses didn't suddenly have an epiphany regarding Prescott. This is just what happens when an extremely talented supporting cast carries a mediocre quarterback- unless the crew around him always performs, at some point the lack of ability of the quarterback is going to shine through. Losing Elliot for several games hurt, but nothing really changed in what was known about him.



How about Peyton Manning in the Super Bowl against Seattle? He had a PREDICTABLE physical weakness, and as a result a predictable scheme weakness: declining arm strength. Most of his passes were stretching the defense horizontally close to the line of scrimmage. Seattle exploited this to the full extent. The other weakness he had in that game was that he played against a top 10 all time defense. But the defense knew they had reliable intel about Manning. All his deep passes were within seconds of the snap and only 15-20 yards down field when caught. Using their press defense and cover 3 looks, the Seahawks were easily able to remove this weapon from Manning. Combined with the elite pass rush, the results were as predictable as Manning was.






That post has been all about predictable weaknesses, so far. Those are what defenses need to scheme to exploit a weakness. Here is a guy who had a weakness that defenses could NOT scheme against, but rather had to just stand ready to take advantage of when it occurred:

Brett Favre. He had a huge weakness: he would throw the ball in any window no matter what because he felt he could fit it in. This led to him being the all time interception leader. But it wasn't something a defense could SCHEME for to take advantage of, because no one ever knew when he was going to do something stupid with the ball. But Favre had zero physical weaknesses, or weaknesses that were predictable.



Now, take a look at Garoppolo: He likewise has no predictable physical weaknesses. His arm is adequate. His release is lightning fast, maybe the fastest in the NFL. He doesn't need to set his feet to throw, and he's very quick at going from recognizing the time to throw and making the throw. So, there is nothing physical that a defense can key on (unlike with Kaepernick). That leaves only the possibility of finding some tendency for him regarding throwing the ball, but he's thrown it all over the field his entire career and in college. He is not predictable in where he throws, in particular because he doesn't need to see the WR open before he throws it.

He HAS a weakness, however, which was obvious from the beginning, and it's a potentially crippling one: he takes chances with the ball, just like Favre, except his arm isn't nearly as strong. This weakness will haunt him in the future. However, the key here is that it is an UNPREDICTABLE weakness. No one can anticipate when Jimmy G is going to try to thread the needle into a place he has no business attempting a pass.

The only other possibility for your post to be accurate is if Jimmy G somehow telegraphs where he's going to go with the ball based on a certain coverage or read. However, because of his absurdly fast release, even if he did, defenses will not be able to capitalize on it. Instead, the only predictable weakness defenses will be able to exploit are SCHEME weaknesses (like what the Patriots did to Seattle in the Super Bowl based on the formation at the goal line on the INT to Butler). Say, for example, if the 49ers always run a slant out of stacked/staggered formations (something Shanahan has always liked doing). Then a defender could anticipate the throw before his arm is even cocked, and then get an INT. But all that would result in is an offensive adjustment by Shanahan.


Bottom line: if there isn't a predictable and reliable weakness, and in particular a physical weakness or tendencies caused by a predictable physical weakness or lack of quarterback fundamentals (e.g. anticipatory throwing), defenses aren't able to scheme effectively against the quarterback on a reliable and predictable basis.
 

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SantaClaraHawk":2f8j7z2m said:
5_Golden_Rings":2f8j7z2m said:
SantaClaraHawk":2f8j7z2m said:
Jimmy G is now 6-0. This guy sees all his receivers, he throws deep, he can run. They get it done in the R z.

I watched them against Jax and they're not the team that lost to sea at all
While you are correct, why would you watch them and not Seattle? You can totally stream illegally ;)

My router went out.:(
Very sorry to hear that. But... you could have watched it on your mobile device, or at least you can sometimes. PM me if you want some help with that.
 

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Sports Hernia":2z3srn0y said:
adeltaY":2z3srn0y said:
He was throwing to guys straight off the street/practice squad and shredded a 2013 seahawks level defense. He's legit.
I bet you said the same thing about Dak last year as well!
Not saying that Jimmy G is going to be the next Johnny football just that a few of you are putting the cart in front of the horse.

The two situations are vastly different.....Dak had possible the best OL in the entire NFL with an Elite running game.

I was shocked when the patriots traded him, especially for only a 2nd rounder...whatttt????? Eagles got a 1st from Bradford.

It would be a hard thing to do but they should of unloaded Brady and kept Jimmy G after this season. Patriots have no QB of the future right now and IMO Brady is going to fall off the cliff soon. He is going to be 41 years old starting next season. If Brady goes on to win again this year his value would probably be at an all time high for at least a 1-2 year deal. You dont think the Vikings would take Brady for 1-2 years? They have no current QB on contract right now going into next season

Brady has almost 18 years of games if you include postseason. Two of the years he has been in the league he only played 1 game. Rookie year and year he got hurt.
 

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