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  • How can we throw shade at the niners for drafting Foster and say the McDowell pick was only bad in hindsight. I think both of them were good moves at the time, they just didn't work out. There was nothing in McDowell's history to suggest he'd get into an ATV accident and an altercation at a club besides a lack of effort on the field (do those even correlate?) and there was nothing in Foster's history suggesting he would be involved in something as serious as a domestic violence case.

    Both front offices took somewhat of a gamble and neither paid off so far. One side making fun of the other doesn't make much sense here.
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  • adeltaY wrote:How can we throw shade at the niners for drafting Foster and say the McDowell pick was only bad in hindsight. I think both of them were good moves at the time, they just didn't work out. There was nothing in McDowell's history to suggest he'd get into an ATV accident and an altercation at a club besides a lack of effort on the field (do those even correlate?) and there was nothing in Foster's history suggesting he would be involved in something as serious as a domestic violence case.

    Both front offices took somewhat of a gamble and neither paid off so far. One side making fun of the other doesn't make much sense here.


    When you’re talking about rival fans, it shouldn’t always make sense
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  • Well, plenty of people acted like the Hawks were idiots for not taking Foster, so........
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  • SoulfishHawk wrote:Well, plenty of people acted like the Hawks were idiots for not taking Foster, so........


    And plenty of people, myself included, thought brining in Percy Harvin was a great move for the Hawks.

    Hindsight is a hell of a drug.
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  • No doubt. I was fricken stoked. On talent alone, Percy was ridiculous. Other than that, epic fail as a teammate.
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  • I was severely bored so I was reading the “denial zone”. In the “do we cut Foster thread”, quite a few poster said the main reason they didn’t want him cut was that he’d sign here and destroy them twice a year. LOL. I’d see the chance of that happening as close to 0% as you can get. Maybe with Jerruh’s kids, but I don’t see any other teams willing to take the huge PR hit.
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  • Popeyejones wrote:
    SoulfishHawk wrote:Well, plenty of people acted like the Hawks were idiots for not taking Foster, so........


    And plenty of people, myself included, thought brining in Percy Harvin was a great move for the Hawks.

    Hindsight is a hell of a drug.


    I thought the Percy acquisition was bad from the start...

    ...but I'm not getting a big head. I've been wrong about ALOT (I mean ALOT) of other stuff. LOL.
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  • I feel pretty sorry for the guy, actually.

    He's had about as tough of a life as it comes. His father shot his mother whilst she was holding him when he was very young for crying out loud.

    He's seriously damaged goods, poor guy.
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  • original poster wrote:I feel pretty sorry for the guy, actually.

    He's had about as tough of a life as it comes. His father shot his mother whilst she was holding him when he was very young for crying out loud.

    He's seriously damaged goods, poor guy.


    Yeah, he's definitely had a rough go of it for sure, and really didn't seem to grow up in an environment that would prepare him to have his crap together at 23 years old. I think the issue with him right now is that we don't really know the details of most of this stuff, so it's unclear if his behavior are things we can explain AND excuse, or if his behavior is things we can explain and CAN'T excuse.

    For instance:

    Weed in Alabama: If you're in a state with really draconian weed possession laws it's dumb to be carrying weed around, but this is something I can both explain and excuse.

    The Gun: Is it a gun he bought legally in a different state that's illegal in the state of CA and he didn't know that? Again that's dumb, but I can explain him making bad decisions, and can excuse him doing something dumb. Or maybe it's a federally banned gun with no serial number on it that he bought off someone? That I can explain but can't really excuse, and as it's a federal crime he's probably going to serve jail time for it. IMO there could be a big difference between "explain" and "excuse" on this one, depending on the details.

    The Altercation: We know he was living with his long-term girlfriend, they got in a fight, and he was kicking her out -- he put her stuff on the porch. The accusation is that he also dragged her out of the house, which is where the DV charge comes from. Did he carry her out of the house? Did he pull her by her shoulders out of the house? From his background I can explain him having an unstable relationship with a SO, and I from that explanation I can excuse those types of things, thinking he probably needs to get out of that relationship and needs to get some counseling. Or maybe he dragged her out by her hair, or literally tossed her out of the house, or struck her with an open or closed fist or choked her while dragging her out of the house. I can explain that too, but can't excuse it at all. IMO there could be a HUGE difference between "explain" and "excuse" on this one, depending on the details.

    9ers fans are comparing Foster to Aldon Smith, but I don't really think that's right. Aldon has addiction problems and was a huge dumbass many times over, but never hurt anyone. Foster isn't close (yet) to Aldon's many, many instances of dumbassery, but he may have hurt someone.
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  • Popeyejones wrote:Yeah, he's definitely had a rough go of it for sure, and really didn't seem to grow up in an environment that would prepare him to have his crap together at 23 years old. I think the issue with him right now is that we don't really know the details of most of this stuff, so it's unclear if his behavior are things we can explain AND excuse, or if his behavior is things we can explain and CAN'T excuse.

    For instance:

    Weed in Alabama: If you're in a state with really draconian weed possession laws it's dumb to be carrying weed around, but this is something I can both explain and excuse.

    The Gun: Is it a gun he bought legally in a different state that's illegal in the state of CA and he didn't know that? Again that's dumb, but I can explain him making bad decisions, and can excuse him doing something dumb. Or maybe it's a federally banned gun with no serial number on it that he bought off someone? That I can explain but can't really excuse, and as it's a federal crime he's probably going to serve jail time for it. IMO there could be a big difference between "explain" and "excuse" on this one, depending on the details.

    The Altercation: We know he was living with his long-term girlfriend, they got in a fight, and he was kicking her out -- he put her stuff on the porch. The accusation is that he also dragged her out of the house, which is where the DV charge comes from. Did he carry her out of the house? Did he pull her by her shoulders out of the house? From his background I can explain him having an unstable relationship with a SO, and I from that explanation I can excuse those types of things, thinking he probably needs to get out of that relationship and needs to get some counseling. Or maybe he dragged her out by her hair, or literally tossed her out of the house, or struck her with an open or closed fist or choked her while dragging her out of the house. I can explain that too, but can't excuse it at all. IMO there could be a HUGE difference between "explain" and "excuse" on this one, depending on the details.

    9ers fans are comparing Foster to Aldon Smith, but I don't really think that's right. Aldon has addiction problems and was a huge dumbass many times over, but never hurt anyone. Foster isn't close (yet) to Aldon's many, many instances of dumbassery, but he may have hurt someone.


    Great perspective. I enjoyed reading this. Thanks.
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  • Thanks, man.

    Someone made that explain/excuse distinction to me about a decade ago, and it’s always struck me as a super useful way to think about bad behavior.
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  • Popeyejones wrote:
    original poster wrote:I feel pretty sorry for the guy, actually.

    He's had about as tough of a life as it comes. His father shot his mother whilst she was holding him when he was very young for crying out loud.

    He's seriously damaged goods, poor guy.


    Yeah, he's definitely had a rough go of it for sure, and really didn't seem to grow up in an environment that would prepare him to have his crap together at 23 years old. I think the issue with him right now is that we don't really know the details of most of this stuff, so it's unclear if his behavior are things we can explain AND excuse, or if his behavior is things we can explain and CAN'T excuse.

    For instance:

    Weed in Alabama: If you're in a state with really draconian weed possession laws it's dumb to be carrying weed around, but this is something I can both explain and excuse.

    The Gun: Is it a gun he bought legally in a different state that's illegal in the state of CA and he didn't know that? Again that's dumb, but I can explain him making bad decisions, and can excuse him doing something dumb. Or maybe it's a federally banned gun with no serial number on it that he bought off someone? That I can explain but can't really excuse, and as it's a federal crime he's probably going to serve jail time for it. IMO there could be a big difference between "explain" and "excuse" on this one, depending on the details.

    The Altercation: We know he was living with his long-term girlfriend, they got in a fight, and he was kicking her out -- he put her stuff on the porch. The accusation is that he also dragged her out of the house, which is where the DV charge comes from. Did he carry her out of the house? Did he pull her by her shoulders out of the house? From his background I can explain him having an unstable relationship with a SO, and I from that explanation I can excuse those types of things, thinking he probably needs to get out of that relationship and needs to get some counseling. Or maybe he dragged her out by her hair, or literally tossed her out of the house, or struck her with an open or closed fist or choked her while dragging her out of the house. I can explain that too, but can't excuse it at all. IMO there could be a HUGE difference between "explain" and "excuse" on this one, depending on the details.

    9ers fans are comparing Foster to Aldon Smith, but I don't really think that's right. Aldon has addiction problems and was a huge dumbass many times over, but never hurt anyone. Foster isn't close (yet) to Aldon's many, many instances of dumbassery, but he may have hurt someone.


    I agree with every single word with the exception of any excuse for him physically removing her from the home. There's just not an excuse for it. I can't see a single way it could have been self defense. If he wanted her removed from his house, there are legal means and if he has the right to have her removed, the police would have done it for him.

    Obviously there's still the need to know exactly what happened, but there really is no excuse for the "violence" unless it was in self defense (which could possibly include defense of property or others, but doesn't seem to fit in this particular scenario).
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  • kidhawk wrote:I agree with every single word with the exception of any excuse for him physically removing her from the home. There's just not an excuse for it. I can't see a single way it could have been self defense. If he wanted her removed from his house, there are legal means and if he has the right to have her removed, the police would have done it for him.

    Obviously there's still the need to know exactly what happened, but there really is no excuse for the "violence" unless it was in self defense (which could possibly include defense of property or others, but doesn't seem to fit in this particular scenario).


    Yeah, 100% agreed with you in a legal sense, but just say hypothetically (we REALLY don't know) if she was going crazy and he forced her outside (like how a bouncer who was good at his job would do with a belligerent person at a club) or even picked her up and carried her outside in a non-injurious way, that's illegal, but it's also something I can kinda understand and make sense of.

    It's not something I ever did in my teens or 20s, but it's definitely something I can imagine myself having done, and something I've seen friends who aren't even remotely abusive people do to deescalate a crazy situation with a SO at around that age. If that's what it was I think it goes in the "dumb, call the cops" category that carrying weed in Alabama goes in, at least for me.

    And of course, behind door #2 is he touched her in anger, and even worse maybe in an injurious way, which is an ENTIRELY different thing IMO, and for which I don't want him on the team I root for anymore.
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  • Popeyejones wrote:
    kidhawk wrote:Obviously there's still the need to know exactly what happened, but there really is no excuse for the "violence" unless it was in self defense (which could possibly include defense of property or others, but doesn't seem to fit in this particular scenario).


    Yeah, 100% agreed with you in a legal sense, but just say hypothetically (we REALLY don't know) if she was going crazy and he forced her outside (like how a bouncer who was good at his job would do with a belligerent person at a club) or even picked her up and carried her outside in a non-injurious way, that's illegal, but it's also something I can kinda understand and make sense of.


    I think my last paragraph covers any situation where she was going crazy or acting out in some outrageous fashion that he wasn't left a lot of options. As I said, we need to find out the whole story. I can completely understand how DV stories can often be over exaggerated (to say the least) by one or both parties, especially in the heat of the moment when there is a lot of highly charged emotions at play.

    if there were injuries, the police would have surely documented them, and if not, then it likely comes down to a he said vs she said and we may never actually know the extent of what happened. Then it becomes a bit of a gray area. Without a history of previous offenses, and no injuries in a situation like this, it's hard to cast blame at this point, but it certainly is not a good look to be arrested twice this early in the off season.
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  • kidhawk wrote:if there were injuries, the police would have surely documented them, and if not, then it likely comes down to a he said vs she said and we may never actually know the extent of what happened. Then it becomes a bit of a gray area. Without a history of previous offenses, and no injuries in a situation like this, it's hard to cast blame at this point, but it certainly is not a good look to be arrested twice this early in the off season.


    Yep, it doesn't look good at all, and that's *even with* the absolute best case scenario for him of the gun and altercation not being as bad as it initially sounds, and both of them very well might be WORSE than they initially sound too.

    In terms of the DV, legally, if it gets that far (which it almost never does) it will likely come down to physical evidence, but morally (and this is just a personal thing, not a rule) after everyone has had time to cool off I always give much more credence to the story of the victim, regardless of the situation, as although they *might* be lying, they are much less likely to have the pressing motivation to lie, or to keep up something they said in the heat of the moment.

    In the heat of the moment people are worked up and say crazy things, but months later, if we have to make an educated guess, I just think *most people* aren't crazy and aren't entirely willing to make things up out of thin air. There are always exceptions to this (e.g. Carolyn Bryant Donham's end-of-life confession), but I do think those probably are the exceptions to a more general rule.
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  • Popeyejones wrote:There are always exceptions to this (e.g. Carolyn Bryant Donham's end-of-life confession), but I do think those probably are the exceptions to a more general rule.

    I don't think they're as rare as you think, unfortunately... :(
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  • RolandDeschain wrote:
    Popeyejones wrote:There are always exceptions to this (e.g. Carolyn Bryant Donham's end-of-life confession), but I do think those probably are the exceptions to a more general rule.

    I don't think they're as rare as you think, unfortunately... :(


    You are probably right, but I for one don't want to make that assumption.

    In this case I think we just need to let it take its course. If Reuben had punched, kicked, or struck her in any way, I think he's unemployed today.

    Removing someone from their home in an argument? I just dunno. I think too often people are too lazy to see nuance to a situation and want a draconian "one rule fits all" type of enforcement. I don't believe in that. Life is too complex.

    This isn't to defend Reuben because I really don't know the specifics of the situation, but there are a lot of different situations that could have resulted in what he has been booked for.

    My hope for primarily her sake and for Reubens sake that there was very little physical contact between them.
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  • Marvin49 wrote:
    RolandDeschain wrote:
    Popeyejones wrote:There are always exceptions to this (e.g. Carolyn Bryant Donham's end-of-life confession), but I do think those probably are the exceptions to a more general rule.

    I don't think they're as rare as you think, unfortunately... :(


    You are probably right, but I for one don't want to make that assumption.


    It's a topic for a different thread and a different forum, but the data suggest that both of you are very in that assumption,
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  • Popeyejones wrote:
    9ers fans are comparing Foster to Aldon Smith, but I don't really think that's right. Aldon has addiction problems and was a huge dumbass many times over, but never hurt anyone. Foster isn't close (yet) to Aldon's many, many instances of dumbassery, but he may have hurt someone.


    And Aldon now on the lam after a DV charge on his fiancée, so we can potentially eliminate the one good thing you could say about him (never hurt anybody).
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  • Popeyejones wrote:
    Popeyejones wrote:
    9ers fans are comparing Foster to Aldon Smith, but I don't really think that's right. Aldon has addiction problems and was a huge dumbass many times over, but never hurt anyone. Foster isn't close (yet) to Aldon's many, many instances of dumbassery, but he may have hurt someone.


    And Aldon now on the lam after a DV charge on his fiancée, so we can potentially eliminate the one good thing you could say about him (never hurt anybody).

    Wow, just wow. Million dollar talent, 10 cent head.

    His decision making ability is beyond poor. I hope his finance runs away, and fast.

    This guy had the world in the palm of his hand at one time and blew it and continues to blow it.
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  • At this point, I think it's safe to say that Aldon Smith's dad should have pulled out early on the fateful night he spawned that moron.
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  • The thing is, even if Foster kicked her out, in California you can't just evict someone. Now, if it were Tennessee or something, he'd probably have the right to physically remove her from the premises. Not so much in California. And that just brings up the real issue with Foster: he has ZERO respect for authority unless he knows and likes the authority figure. Nurse at the combine? Nope. Laws in Alabama? Nope. Law in California? Nope. The NFL and their substance abuse policy? Nope (as evidenced by his draft party being sponsored by a smoking paraphernalia company).

    Weed should be legal, but the fact is, it is not, and it is certainly not legal according to the NFL's bylaws. If he respected authority, he would stop smoking because the NFL doesn't allow it.

    But he does what he wants, and refuses to take responsibility.


    Until he grows the heck up, this pattern will continue.
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  • Cut him.

    Now.

    Be ashamed you didn't do it earlier.



    (note: I really hope we can all agree he should be cut. That said, any Hawks fan who tries to turn this into a thing about the 9ers, DV, and criminality, well, I'm gonna shove your glass house right back in your face, I promise, even if I have to register for that off field forum thing to do it. :lol: :2thumbs:)
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  • Agreed. Pretty gross to see the details coming out. He's being charged with felony domestic violence.

    The victim told responding sheriff’s deputies and Los Gatos police that Foster dragged her by her hair, physically threw her out of the house, and punched her in the head 8 to 10 times.
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  • Popeyejones wrote:Cut him.

    Now.

    Be ashamed you didn't do it earlier.



    (note: I really hope we can all agree he should be cut. That said, any Hawks fan who tries to turn this into a thing about the 9ers, DV, and criminality, well, I'm gonna shove your glass house right back in your face, I promise, even if I have to register for that off field forum thing to do it. :lol: :2thumbs:)






    Agreed 100% CUT HIM, CUT HIM
    Now that the details are flowing out he deserves every bit of the 11 years in prison he could get. Lock his ass up
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  • Part of being a good leadership group, which I believe Lynch and Shanahan are, is knowing when to cut your losses and accept something as sunk cost and move on.

    From a football standpoint I just don't see how Foster would fit in with a leadership group on the defensive side of the ball that includes Richard Sherman and Soloman Thomas.
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  • Sounds grim. Not sure the 49ers will cut him, their statement on this is pretty wimpy.

    He will be suspended for most if not all of the season regardless of any legal outcome.
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  • Coug_Hawk08 wrote:Sounds grim. Not sure the 49ers will cut him, their statement on this is pretty wimpy.

    He will be suspended for most if not all of the season regardless of any legal outcome.



    Ya my Niners are showing a pretty sorry way of the situation. Charges have been filed, details have emerged as to the severity. I don’t get it cut him. Ya it’s a set back but if you really are trying to change perception of catering to off the field issues then you cut him. No other choice.
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  • Welp, that sucks. Sigh.

    The 49ers statement leads me to believe that they don't necessarily believe or more accurately aren't sure he's guilty of what he being charged of.

    If he indeed punched her 8 times tho and busted her eardrum...

    ...I'm done. Cut him.
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  • Marvin49 wrote:Welp, that sucks. Sigh.

    The 49ers statement leads me to believe that they don't necessarily believe or more accurately aren't sure he's guilty of what he being charged of.

    If he indeed punched her 8 times tho and busted her eardrum...

    ...I'm done. Cut him.




    I don’t know man. There is a medical report and I’m sure pictures. I just don’t see what the question is. He beat the brakes off her. We cut a player that was accused of DV and he was never charged. So what’s the deal? Cut the scum.
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  • rlkats wrote:
    Marvin49 wrote:Welp, that sucks. Sigh.

    The 49ers statement leads me to believe that they don't necessarily believe or more accurately aren't sure he's guilty of what he being charged of.

    If he indeed punched her 8 times tho and busted her eardrum...

    ...I'm done. Cut him.




    I don’t know man. There is a medical report and I’m sure pictures. I just don’t see what the question is. He beat the brakes off her. We cut a player that was accused of DV and he was never charged. So what’s the deal? Cut the scum.


    I'm not arguing. I'm just saying that if it were in fact that cut and dry he'd be unemployed today.

    Statement by his lawyer and the team would seem to suggest more to this, but I'm in no way defending him. If he's guilty cut the guy. As soon as possible.

    As for Brock...come on. We live in the real world here. If Foster was the same caliber player as Brock he'd have been released the day he was arrested.

    That's life in the NFL. No need to pretend that isn't the case. The current 49ers management team is invested in Reuben and they weren't in Brock. I'm not going to pretend that isn't the case or that they occupy some moral high ground that doesn't exist.
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  • rlkats wrote:
    Marvin49 wrote:Welp, that sucks. Sigh.

    The 49ers statement leads me to believe that they don't necessarily believe or more accurately aren't sure he's guilty of what he being charged of.

    If he indeed punched her 8 times tho and busted her eardrum...

    ...I'm done. Cut him.




    I don’t know man. There is a medical report and I’m sure pictures. I just don’t see what the question is. He beat the brakes off her. We cut a player that was accused of DV and he was never charged. So what’s the deal? Cut the scum.


    I'm a bit confused? Are you talking about Boykin? He was arrested based on his latest accusation, so I'm not sure where the "he wasn't charged" bit is coming from.

    As for Foster. I don't really blame the Niners organization for taking the time to fully investigate this. It's early enough in the off season that they can do their due diligence and still cut him. I would be shocked if he played another down with the 49ers.
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    Marvin49 wrote:Welp, that sucks. Sigh.

    The 49ers statement leads me to believe that they don't necessarily believe or more accurately aren't sure he's guilty of what he being charged of.

    If he indeed punched her 8 times tho and busted her eardrum...

    ...I'm done. Cut him.




    I don’t know man. There is a medical report and I’m sure pictures. I just don’t see what the question is. He beat the brakes off her. We cut a player that was accused of DV and he was never charged. So what’s the deal? Cut the scum.



    Nah, he's talking about Tramaine Brock, who was slated to be the 9ers starting CB last year, was arrested for DV, and was cut within 24 (or 48?) hours.

    He later wasn't charged and is now on the Broncos.

    (I think the confusion is rlkats' uses of "we" -- he's a 9ers fan, not a Seahawks fan :2thumbs: ).
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  • Popeyejones wrote:
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    Marvin49 wrote:Welp, that sucks. Sigh.

    The 49ers statement leads me to believe that they don't necessarily believe or more accurately aren't sure he's guilty of what he being charged of.

    If he indeed punched her 8 times tho and busted her eardrum...

    ...I'm done. Cut him.




    I don’t know man. There is a medical report and I’m sure pictures. I just don’t see what the question is. He beat the brakes off her. We cut a player that was accused of DV and he was never charged. So what’s the deal? Cut the scum.



    Nah, he's talking about Tramaine Brock, who was slated to be the 9ers starting CB last year, was arrested for DV, and was cut within 24 (or 48?) hours.

    He later wasn't charged and is now on the Broncos.

    (I think the confusion is rlkats' uses of "we" -- he's a 9ers fan, not a Seahawks fan :2thumbs: ).


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  • Popeyejones wrote:
    kidhawk wrote:
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    Marvin49 wrote:Welp, that sucks. Sigh.

    The 49ers statement leads me to believe that they don't necessarily believe or more accurately aren't sure he's guilty of what he being charged of.

    If he indeed punched her 8 times tho and busted her eardrum...

    ...I'm done. Cut him.




    I don’t know man. There is a medical report and I’m sure pictures. I just don’t see what the question is. He beat the brakes off her. We cut a player that was accused of DV and he was never charged. So what’s the deal? Cut the scum.



    Nah, he's talking about Tramaine Brock, who was slated to be the 9ers starting CB last year, was arrested for DV, and was cut within 24 (or 48?) hours.

    He later wasn't charged and is now on the Broncos.

    (I think the confusion is rlkats' uses of "we" -- he's a 9ers fan, not a Seahawks fan :2thumbs: ).


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    Maybe Richard should be supporting the woman Foster beat within an inch of her life, instead of the perpetrator.

    Seems a little backwards to me.

    But that's what happens in the NFL, if you're a first round pick? You get all the support and time you need to either keep screwing up, or weasel out of your punishment so you can make lots of tackles on Sunday.
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  • Sgt. Largent wrote:
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    Maybe Richard should be supporting the woman Foster beat within an inch of her life, instead of the perpetrator.

    Seems a little backwards to me.

    But that's what happens in the NFL, if you're a first round pick? You get all the support and time you need to either keep screwing up, or weasel out of your punishment so you can make lots of tackles on Sunday.


    Although I agree with what you are saying, I want to give it a bit of time to see what "support" means in this instance. Perhaps Sherman is helping Foster get help for his issues and in turn he's supporting him through the process. That may not be the case, but if he is supporting him as he's getting help behind the scenes, then Sherman may be doing a good thing here. Obviously I would hope he's not just showing support for a teammate in an "I've got your back no matter what you did/do" kind of way.
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  • kidhawk wrote:
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    Maybe Richard should be supporting the woman Foster beat within an inch of her life, instead of the perpetrator.

    Seems a little backwards to me.

    But that's what happens in the NFL, if you're a first round pick? You get all the support and time you need to either keep screwing up, or weasel out of your punishment so you can make lots of tackles on Sunday.


    Although I agree with what you are saying, I want to give it a bit of time to see what "support" means in this instance. Perhaps Sherman is helping Foster get help for his issues and in turn he's supporting him through the process. That may not be the case, but if he is supporting him as he's getting help behind the scenes, then Sherman may be doing a good thing here. Obviously I would hope he's not just showing support for a teammate in an "I've got your back no matter what you did/do" kind of way.


    I see this as Richard wanting to establish himself as a team leader for the Niners, so he's "supporting" Foster, and IMO that's misguided.

    Maybe I'm being cynical, and I hope Richard does help Foster get help if that's truly his intent. But from the outside looking in? He's supporting the wrong person.
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    Sherman, now acting as a lawyer too. Foster ends up serving a life sentence that is state friendly; meal privileges and movie night can only be acquired via not likely to be earned incentives.
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  • Sgt. Largent wrote:
    kidhawk wrote:
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    Maybe Richard should be supporting the woman Foster beat within an inch of her life, instead of the perpetrator.

    Seems a little backwards to me.

    But that's what happens in the NFL, if you're a first round pick? You get all the support and time you need to either keep screwing up, or weasel out of your punishment so you can make lots of tackles on Sunday.


    Although I agree with what you are saying, I want to give it a bit of time to see what "support" means in this instance. Perhaps Sherman is helping Foster get help for his issues and in turn he's supporting him through the process. That may not be the case, but if he is supporting him as he's getting help behind the scenes, then Sherman may be doing a good thing here. Obviously I would hope he's not just showing support for a teammate in an "I've got your back no matter what you did/do" kind of way.


    I see this as Richard wanting to establish himself as a team leader for the Niners, so he's "supporting" Foster, and IMO that's misguided.

    Maybe I'm being cynical, and I hope Richard does help Foster get help if that's truly his intent. But from the outside looking in? He's supporting the wrong person.


    I see what you are saying but to me that only makes sense if we live in a binary world...IE if he is supporting Reuben that means he is NOT supporting the victim. I think that's an oversimplification.

    It is possible to support and care for both the abuser and the abused. You don't have to pick a side. You can support the abuser who is remorseful for his actions and help him make better decisions in the future and at the same time of course support the victim of the abuse.

    I think too often in ALL arenas we are too easily swayed on too little information and make everything a VS. situation. We say you have to be on this side or that side. Who are we to make those judgements?

    Reuben Foster comes from an insanely harsh background. The dude was shot by his father while in his mothers arms when he was 18 months old. I mean seriously...that alone has to mess you up.

    That is not an excuse and the behavior is inexcusable. That does not mean however that the person should have to walk around his entire life with a scarlett letter because he made a very poor choice. His teammates who know him far better than I choose to support the person, not the act...and there is a big difference.
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  • Marvin49 wrote:
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    Maybe Richard should be supporting the woman Foster beat within an inch of her life, instead of the perpetrator.

    Seems a little backwards to me.

    But that's what happens in the NFL, if you're a first round pick? You get all the support and time you need to either keep screwing up, or weasel out of your punishment so you can make lots of tackles on Sunday.


    Although I agree with what you are saying, I want to give it a bit of time to see what "support" means in this instance. Perhaps Sherman is helping Foster get help for his issues and in turn he's supporting him through the process. That may not be the case, but if he is supporting him as he's getting help behind the scenes, then Sherman may be doing a good thing here. Obviously I would hope he's not just showing support for a teammate in an "I've got your back no matter what you did/do" kind of way.


    I see this as Richard wanting to establish himself as a team leader for the Niners, so he's "supporting" Foster, and IMO that's misguided.

    Maybe I'm being cynical, and I hope Richard does help Foster get help if that's truly his intent. But from the outside looking in? He's supporting the wrong person.


    I see what you are saying but to me that only makes sense if we live in a binary world...IE if he is supporting Reuben that means he is NOT supporting the victim. I think that's an oversimplification.

    It is possible to support and care for both the abuser and the abused. You don't have to pick a side. You can support the abuser who is remorseful for his actions and help him make better decisions in the future and at the same time of course support the victim of the abuse.

    I think too often in ALL arenas we are too easily swayed on too little information and make everything a VS. situation. We say you have to be on this side or that side. Who are we to make those judgements?

    Reuben Foster comes from an insanely harsh background. The dude was shot by his father while in his mothers arms when he was 18 months old. I mean seriously...that alone has to mess you up.

    That is not an excuse and the behavior is inexcusable. That does not mean however that the person should have to walk around his entire life with a scarlett letter because he made a very poor choice. His teammates who know him far better than I choose to support the person, not the act...and there is a big difference.


    I get it, and I'm not saying this is black and white.

    But I'm tired of us focusing on the athlete, and making sure he has LOTS of support...........cause you know, he plays football really well, and we want to make sure he has all the support he needs so he can get back to helping his team win!

    It's ass backwards IMO.
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  • Sgt. Largent wrote:
    Marvin49 wrote:
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    kidhawk wrote:
    Although I agree with what you are saying, I want to give it a bit of time to see what "support" means in this instance. Perhaps Sherman is helping Foster get help for his issues and in turn he's supporting him through the process. That may not be the case, but if he is supporting him as he's getting help behind the scenes, then Sherman may be doing a good thing here. Obviously I would hope he's not just showing support for a teammate in an "I've got your back no matter what you did/do" kind of way.


    I see this as Richard wanting to establish himself as a team leader for the Niners, so he's "supporting" Foster, and IMO that's misguided.

    Maybe I'm being cynical, and I hope Richard does help Foster get help if that's truly his intent. But from the outside looking in? He's supporting the wrong person.


    I see what you are saying but to me that only makes sense if we live in a binary world...IE if he is supporting Reuben that means he is NOT supporting the victim. I think that's an oversimplification.

    It is possible to support and care for both the abuser and the abused. You don't have to pick a side. You can support the abuser who is remorseful for his actions and help him make better decisions in the future and at the same time of course support the victim of the abuse.

    I think too often in ALL arenas we are too easily swayed on too little information and make everything a VS. situation. We say you have to be on this side or that side. Who are we to make those judgements?

    Reuben Foster comes from an insanely harsh background. The dude was shot by his father while in his mothers arms when he was 18 months old. I mean seriously...that alone has to mess you up.

    That is not an excuse and the behavior is inexcusable. That does not mean however that the person should have to walk around his entire life with a scarlett letter because he made a very poor choice. His teammates who know him far better than I choose to support the person, not the act...and there is a big difference.


    I get it, and I'm not saying this is black and white.

    But I'm tired of us focusing on the athlete, and making sure he has LOTS of support...........cause you know, he plays football really well, and we want to make sure he has all the support he needs so he can get back to helping his team win!

    It's ass backwards IMO.



    Agreed. If it was any normal person without the big name or cool job, we would have already been locked up and the key thrown away. He is a football player. Guess what there is NOTHING special about him or any other athlete. It irritates the crap out of me that these guys are not held to the same standard as other Americans. To all the people that say, lets see what happens in the case first and see how that comes out. Your part of the issue. Really how much time would you be allowed to leave work for the same case he has without being replaced? How many jobs out there hand out 1 year or more suspensions then get to come back? Bottom line cut him and let him work his issues out. If he has been cleared of the charges of Domestic Violence, Illegal Weapons, and Drug Possession then fine he will be picked up and "get a job". Last time I checked that's how the world works for ordinary people why not superstar athletes?
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  • rlkats wrote:Agreed. If it was any normal person without the big name or cool job, we would have already been locked up and the key thrown away. He is a football player. Guess what there is NOTHING special about him or any other athlete. It irritates the crap out of me that these guys are not held to the same standard as other Americans. To all the people that say, lets see what happens in the case first and see how that comes out. Your part of the issue. Really how much time would you be allowed to leave work for the same case he has without being replaced? How many jobs out there hand out 1 year or more suspensions then get to come back? Bottom line cut him and let him work his issues out. If he has been cleared of the charges of Domestic Violence, Illegal Weapons, and Drug Possession then fine he will be picked up and "get a job". Last time I checked that's how the world works for ordinary people why not superstar athletes?



    To be clear, absolutely NONE OF THIS is a defense of Foster or the 9ers (not at all, I'm the one who bumped the thread saying they should cut him), but your argument on this and special treatment is straight up nonsense.

    1) The legal system moves slowly for everybody. Was it someone here who said the 6th amendment is far and away the most violated constitutional amendment in the U.S.? If so, that's absolutely true.

    2) That "regular people" are regularly losing their jobs due to DV charges is just nonsense. You seriously think employers are checking their employees against arrest records every month? Unless you're serving jail time or are a public employee chances are your employer isn't ever even gonna know you're knocking your girlfriend or wife around in your off hours, and aren't ever gonna know because unlike NFL players it's never gonna get reported on in the newspaper.

    3) NFL players have a lower rate of domestic violence than the general population, which is about 10%. I mean dude, the domestic violence rate for police officers is 25% on the low end and above 40% on the high end. As public employees the two crimes that police officers are least likely to lose their jobs over are driving drunk and beating their intimate partners.

    If you're concerned about the world working the same way for DV for "ordinary people" and everyone else, you're pissed off about cops, not NFL players.
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  • Popeyejones wrote:2) That "regular people" are regularly losing their jobs due to DV charges is just nonsense. You seriously think employers are checking their employees against arrest records every month? Unless you're serving jail time or are a public employee chances are your employer isn't ever even gonna know you're knocking your girlfriend or wife around in your off hours, and aren't ever gonna know because unlike NFL players it's never gonna get reported on in the newspaper.


    Except when the offender gets arrested and all of a sudden doesn't/can't show up to work... then their manager/boss/customers start wondering where the hell their guy is.
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  • Popeyejones wrote:
    2) That "regular people" are regularly losing their jobs due to DV charges is just nonsense. You seriously think employers are checking their employees against arrest records every month? Unless you're serving jail time or are a public employee chances are your employer isn't ever even gonna know you're knocking your girlfriend or wife around in your off hours, and aren't ever gonna know because unlike NFL players it's never gonna get reported on in the newspaper.



    LOTS of jobs would be in jeopardy with a serious domestic violence charge, especially if after you were prosecuted it was on your record as a felony. Any job with a designation, white or blue collar your employer would know if you had a felony on your record pretty quickly.

    My point, and I think others is the amount of support and resources for a star athlete vs a regular person.........and for me, the attention and support given to the athlete vs the woman who just had her eardrum shattered.

    And I know you guys aren't defending Foster's actions, but here we have a football player that's all over the news, and everyone out of the Niners camp is bending over backwards to support a dude who beat the living crap out of a woman..............how bout as an organization offering to help her as well?

    Nope, cause she doesn't have the potential for 100+ tackles a year.
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