kf3339 wrote:hawknation2018 wrote:
I have a strong feeling we are out of the Suh option. Hope I'm wrong.
kf3339 wrote:hawknation2018 wrote:
MontanaHawk05 wrote:12forlife wrote:As for Jimmy, I say by Felicia!! Yeah he scored 10 TD's last year big deal.
Was that seriously just posted on this message board? Come on.
12forlife wrote:MontanaHawk05 wrote:12forlife wrote:As for Jimmy, I say by Felicia!! Yeah he scored 10 TD's last year big deal.
Was that seriously just posted on this message board? Come on.
Why do you choose to cut out the rest of my post, that has "facts" behind his underwhelming performance. Yes 10 TD's isn't nothing, but most were scored against weak competition, to many drops, and when we needed him for a playoff push he literally disappears. So when you want to cut and paste some ones post please try to be open minded, get off JG's lap and comprehend the whole post, and not just what you want to.
Kinger95 wrote:Titans just released a DL, supposed to get Suh in for a meeting. Bad news boys
Uncle Si wrote:Kinger95 wrote:Titans just released a DL, supposed to get Suh in for a meeting. Bad news boys
So did the Seahawks...
A-Dog wrote:Uncle Si wrote:Kinger95 wrote:Titans just released a DL, supposed to get Suh in for a meeting. Bad news boys
So did the Seahawks...
they did?
12forlife wrote:MontanaHawk05 wrote:12forlife wrote:As for Jimmy, I say by Felicia!! Yeah he scored 10 TD's last year big deal.
Was that seriously just posted on this message board? Come on.
Why do you choose to cut out the rest of my post, that has "facts" behind his underwhelming performance. Yes 10 TD's isn't nothing, but most were scored against weak competition, to many drops, and when we needed him for a playoff push he literally disappears. So when you want to cut and paste some ones post please try to be open minded, get off JG's lap and comprehend the whole post, and not just what you want to.
Uncle Si wrote:A-Dog wrote:Uncle Si wrote:Kinger95 wrote:Titans just released a DL, supposed to get Suh in for a meeting. Bad news boys
So did the Seahawks...
they did?
Didnt they move Bennett? lose Richardson?
are the Seahawks not in the market for a DL and have they not entertained Suh?
curious as to why the Titans doing it is bad news?
Uncle Si wrote:A-Dog wrote:Uncle Si wrote:Kinger95 wrote:Titans just released a DL, supposed to get Suh in for a meeting. Bad news boys
So did the Seahawks...
they did?
Didnt they move Bennett? lose Richardson?
are the Seahawks not in the market for a DL and have they not entertained Suh?
curious as to why the Titans doing it is bad news?
A-Dog wrote:Uncle Si wrote:A-Dog wrote:Uncle Si wrote:
So did the Seahawks...
they did?
Didnt they move Bennett? lose Richardson?
are the Seahawks not in the market for a DL and have they not entertained Suh?
curious as to why the Titans doing it is bad news?
You said "released."
Which means you weren't talking about Bennett or Richardson.
I was assuming something happened with Avril, so I immediately checked the usual places and saw nothing.
So I came back and asked.
Turns out you had just made a misleading post.
MontanaHawk05 wrote:12forlife wrote:MontanaHawk05 wrote:12forlife wrote:As for Jimmy, I say by Felicia!! Yeah he scored 10 TD's last year big deal.
Was that seriously just posted on this message board? Come on.
Why do you choose to cut out the rest of my post, that has "facts" behind his underwhelming performance. Yes 10 TD's isn't nothing, but most were scored against weak competition, to many drops, and when we needed him for a playoff push he literally disappears. So when you want to cut and paste some ones post please try to be open minded, get off JG's lap and comprehend the whole post, and not just what you want to.
"Get off JG's lap"? Now who's dragging down the discussions?
I cut that part for two reasons. 1) Because you led off with it, so it's the first thing I noticed; 2) because everything else you said has already been said by everyone else, so I didn't feel that it needed reinforcement; 3) because touchdowns are more important than anything else you mentioned.
Or, more accurately, touchdowns are the fulfillment of everything else you mentioned. Receptions between the 20's exist for the purpose of eventually scoring touchdowns. Run blocking exists for the purpose of eventually scoring touchdowns. If you have someone who can run block great, catch everything within the 20s, but can't get into the end zone, you're going to remember pretty quickly that those other things don't award points by themselves.
And, indeed, that accurately describes Seattle's passing offense from 2010-2016. Everyone wanted a bigger red-zone target, even with Lynch around. Graham promised that, but didn't provide it at first because Seattle's offense was still run-first and didn't become more evocative of spread offense until halfway through 2015. Graham prospered in Game 2 of that new offense (Steelers game), providing a big juggling deep catch and two jailbreak receptions on third-and-10+, then...got injured.
In 2016, he was doing a lot better between the numbers and dropped very little - in fact, he had some absolutely incredible highlight catches. But he didn't get into the end zone as much. The exact opposite of everyone's complaints in 2017, and something they have completely (or conveniently) forgotten.
So Graham never became a complete player and put it all together in Seattle. But guess what? Neither did Golden Tate, or Red Bryant, or Chris Clemons, or Bruce Irvin, or Kam Chancellor, or KJ Wright, or Russell Okung, or our better offensive linemen, or Jermaine Kearse, or even arguably Russell Wilson. They weren't paid to be complete players. That's never been Pete's modus operandi. They were paid to do a few things very well, things that were crucial to winning. And we felt their absence when they were gone.
So you can complain about the price disparity all you l ike, but in 2018, if we go back to ending all our drives in field goals and the Seattle media is once again bemoaning "red-zone struggles", then, well, you never appreciate what you've got until it's gone. I personally never had a problem paying big dollars for the most important offensive stat you could have (touchdowns).
Do I think other players will make up for it? Maybe. But it's not like Baldwin/Lockett/Richardson weren't scoring TD's themselves (and now one of them is gone). Graham ON TOP OF THEIR NUMBERS is what got Wilson his epic season. He was a matchup cheat code in the end zone with his effortless box-out scores. That's precisely why we WANTED a big red-zone target in the first place, for heaven's sake. I like Jaron Brown, Ed Dickson, and even Terrelle Pryor if he signs. They might make some noise. It gives us a hedge against Amara Darboh face-planting and against the draft not cooperating at those positions.
But one thing's for sure: for everyone else on this roster, we'll need massive scheming brilliance from Brian Schottenheimer to get them the ball. That's not something that Graham ever needed. That he didn't get used that way is the fault of a departed OC, not him. I wanted to see him used right, buttressed by a better-coached OL. That Graham really could have been worth $10m.
Uncle Si wrote:I inferred the situation in Tennessee is the same as Seattle. You said released and inferred the rest.
Either way. Not sure why Tennessee is a bad sign for Seattle. Elaborate?
A-Dog wrote:Uncle Si wrote:I inferred the situation in Tennessee is the same as Seattle. You said released and inferred the rest.
Either way. Not sure why Tennessee is a bad sign for Seattle. Elaborate?
You conveniently deleted it from your quote, but I will summarize:
Kinger95 said: "Titans JUST RELEASED A DL"
You said: "So did the Seahawks..."
Why it matters: The Titans have Suh in town, and just made a move to open up cap space. Therefore that is a sign that they might be poised to to sign him.
The Seahawks did not JUST make a move - The Bennett and Sherman moves happened previously, and they have not opened up any cap space recently. If they had JUST RELEASED Avril, that would be a sign that they were preparing to make a subsequent move that required opening up cap space but they didn't. They also don't have Suh in town, and apparently he didn't meet with the Seahawks when he was here, other than over the phone.
Kinger95 wrote:If he does decide to sign here (considered his adopted him) I think it would be because he’s looking for stability as far as living/settling down and not have to always worry about being a cap casualty. He might give up some top end cash if he can get something with more term and guaranteed money. If he’s out for money then maybe he does do a 1 year deal with the highest bidder then hit FA next offseason when teams can prepare and set up space and a clear a spot for him
toffee wrote:Can't find any news on Hawks making an offer to Suh, and he is touring now to find a new home. Either Pete wasn't keen on Suh or our offer was too low. Either way, ain't happening.
It seems like Pete is confident with our in house DL youngsters going forward, that could be good thing. I think Pete wants to create cap space and picks for 2019, then play in house youngsters in 2018 for evaluation. If we can go 8-8 this season, we could be real good in 2020.
A three years re-tool plan.
Blitzer88 wrote:
TransGenderHawkFan wrote:Blitzer88 wrote:
chris98251 wrote:TransGenderHawkFan wrote:Blitzer88 wrote:
Wasn't he already in for a visit?
KitsapGuy wrote:
adeltaY wrote:If the Rams get Suh.... Russ gonna die.
seahawkfreak wrote:There is such a thing as overkill. It isn't like the Rams didn't run roughshod over the NFCW with their DL without Suh. Why pour that many resources again into the DL when they just let Quinn go. Just my opinion but it looks like they are prepping to pay some team cornerstones with the releases they have just had. Not freeing up space for a top priced DT in an area that is already the teams strength.
Was that their problem last year, interior pass rush?
Sports Hernia wrote:seahawkfreak wrote:There is such a thing as overkill. It isn't like the Rams didn't run roughshod over the NFCW with their DL without Suh. Why pour that many resources again into the DL when they just let Quinn go. Just my opinion but it looks like they are prepping to pay some team cornerstones with the releases they have just had. Not freeing up space for a top priced DT in an area that is already the teams strength.
Was that their problem last year, interior pass rush?
Driving up his price perhaps???
HawkFan72 wrote:Shoot, let the Rams sign Suh. It will create cap hell for them. It might suck this year for us to play against them, but they need to extend Aaron Donald with a monster contract and you KNOW he will not accept less than whatever Suh gets. Nor should he. He has already sat out offseason workouts and things waiting on a new deal. You think he will be happy with the Rams giving a truckload of money to Suh while he has been faithfully playing and waiting on a new deal himself?
They will have so much money tied up in the DT position in a year that other areas are going to start slipping for them.
Make it happen, Rams.
RCATES wrote:HawkFan72 wrote:Shoot, let the Rams sign Suh. It will create cap hell for them. It might suck this year for us to play against them, but they need to extend Aaron Donald with a monster contract and you KNOW he will not accept less than whatever Suh gets. Nor should he. He has already sat out offseason workouts and things waiting on a new deal. You think he will be happy with the Rams giving a truckload of money to Suh while he has been faithfully playing and waiting on a new deal himself?
They will have so much money tied up in the DT position in a year that other areas are going to start slipping for them.
Make it happen, Rams.
The reason why I don't see this happening is because they still have to sign Donald to a huge contract. He held out last year. No way he's on the field this year without a major pay raise. I can't see a team having over 30 million tied up on two interior defenders on the D-Line.
Sgt. Largent wrote:Just the fact that Suh is still on his world tour desperately trying to hammer the biggest paycheck he can find with any team, regardless of whether the team's good or not tells me we're not going to land him.
Someone's going to give him an extra 1-2M a year to sign with them over what we're willing to give him.
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