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  • Meh. I've never thought Seattle's problems were wide receiver driven.
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  • Could be a good stop gap signing, draft isn't great for WR's this year. Guy is still quite good when healthy.
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  • HawkGA wrote:Meh. I've never thought Seattle's problems were wide receiver driven.


    I have. At least at times. Still deciding whether Jordy is the solution or not, but good receivers give the QB somewhere to go with the ball and help the OL protect him. Bad receivers help get a QB sacked.
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  • Definitely a good stop gap. Wouldn’t mess up our comp picks. We can’t outbid San Fran but who knows maybe they really want him for garopolo
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  • Small receivers lose blocking assignments. We are switching to a more short yardage offense. Blocking is helpfull in any situation.
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  • If they can't trade for Martavis Bryant and his $700k cap hit, then Nelson for 1 year $3M would be fine.
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  • We have two RBs under contract and two TEs under contract with plenty of WRs under contract.

    Better have a plan if we're adding another WR.
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  • vin.couve12 wrote:We have two RBs under contract and two TEs under contract with plenty of WRs under contract.

    Better have a plan if we're adding another WR.


    I expect the 49ers to outbid Seattle because the NFL knows they can outbid Seattle by offering more than 35 cents, but sometimes I wonder, with all due respect, if you're just trolling people with all the confidence you have in our remaining pass-catchers.

    Doug Baldwin (double-covered now)
    Tyler Lockett (lost a step)
    Amara Darboh
    Tanner McEvoy
    David Moore
    Cyril Grayson

    Luke Willson
    Nick Vannett
    Tyrone Swoopes

    That's one of those 2009-2011 situations that gets people going "Can we have an actual playmaker?"
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  • I like Nelson; he's been great when healthy. I wouldn't spend what he'll probably get, and signing him would definitely test the "He's only good with Aaron Rodgers" theory.
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  • How old and how injured is he? Asking for all future discussion ;)
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  • Atradees wrote:Small receivers lose blocking assignments. We are switching to a more short yardage offense. Blocking is helpfull in any situation.



    Nelson is 6'3, 220. Hardly small.
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  • harryjohnson wrote:
    Atradees wrote:Small receivers lose blocking assignments. We are switching to a more short yardage offense. Blocking is helpfull in any situation.



    Nelson is 6'3, 220. Hardly small.


    Edit- Nice block by Jordy Nelson from the slot.

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  • hawknation2018 wrote:
    harryjohnson wrote:
    Atradees wrote:Small receivers lose blocking assignments. We are switching to a more short yardage offense. Blocking is helpfull in any situation.



    Nelson is 6'3, 220. Hardly small.


    Jordy Nelson playing fullback.

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    Pretty sure that's their fullback Aaron Ripkowski lol
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  • King Dog wrote:
    hawknation2018 wrote:
    harryjohnson wrote:
    Atradees wrote:Small receivers lose blocking assignments. We are switching to a more short yardage offense. Blocking is helpfull in any situation.



    Nelson is 6'3, 220. Hardly small.


    Jordy Nelson playing fullback.

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    Pretty sure that's their fullback Aaron Ripkowski lol


    Although Nelson holds a solid block on that play!
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  • King Dog wrote:
    hawknation2018 wrote:
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    Atradees wrote:Small receivers lose blocking assignments. We are switching to a more short yardage offense. Blocking is helpfull in any situation.



    Nelson is 6'3, 220. Hardly small.


    Jordy Nelson playing fullback.

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    Pretty sure that's their fullback Aaron Ripkowski lol


    You're right, lol. Still a nice block by him . . . from the slot. :34853_doh:
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  • I wouldn't hate having him at a logical price.
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  • harryjohnson wrote:
    Atradees wrote:Small receivers lose blocking assignments. We are switching to a more short yardage offense. Blocking is helpfull in any situation.



    Nelson is 6'3, 220. Hardly small.


    That was my point. We have small receivers. We could use larger ones.
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  • He's visiting the Raiders and interested in the Patriots, according to various reports.
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  • MontanaHawk05 wrote:
    vin.couve12 wrote:We have two RBs under contract and two TEs under contract with plenty of WRs under contract.

    Better have a plan if we're adding another WR.


    I expect the 49ers to outbid Seattle because the NFL knows they can outbid Seattle by offering more than 35 cents, but sometimes I wonder, with all due respect, if you're just trolling people with all the confidence you have in our remaining pass-catchers.

    Doug Baldwin (double-covered now) <----- This isn't true.
    Tyler Lockett (lost a step)<------Will be another year removed from that nasty injury.
    Amara Darboh<---------High upside 3rd round pick.
    Tanner McEvoy <---- Meh
    David Moore<-----Unpolished larger Golden Tate. We cut Dwight Freeney to keep him.
    Cyril Grayson<-------Speed, but likely a long ways away. Also another smaller WR.
    Marcus Johnson<-----Speed guy with some NFL experience. Possibly our 5th WR


    Luke Willson is not under contract.
    Nick Vannett
    Tyrone Swoopes

    That's one of those 2009-2011 situations that gets people going "Can we have an actual playmaker?"


    First, if Doug Baldwin isn't an actual playmaker then he's overpayed and needs to be dealt. He IS a playmaker though.

    I do think that Darboh and Moore make big leaps. Again, both were getting on the field at the end of the year even with a healthy Paul Richardson. That's telling.

    We need a TE very badly. Vannett and Swoopes are the only TEs we have under contract right now. Conversely, Carson and Prosise are the only RBs we have under contract right now.

    We have A LOT of holes to fill. I'd imagine there's a plan for that and while I've thought that Jordy Nelson's ability to adjust to any type of pass is only second to Larry Fitzgerald, Doug Baldwin is going to make $11.9 Million damn dollars in 2018.

    How much money do you want to invest in the WR position when we're insanely thin at RB, insanely thin at TE, and then there's also the OL issue that 99% of .NET has been complaining about for how long now? On top of that we need depth at every level of the defense.

    Where is your money going? You can't make these decisions in a bubble. On top of that, investing heavily in skill positions like WR and TE are for different types of offenses with pure pocket passers.

    No, I'm not trolling. I'm being one of the few rational, logical people here.
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  • I just cried a little looking at our WR and TE group
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  • King Dog wrote:I just cried a little looking at our WR and TE group

    Then look at the RB group, OL group, DL group, LB group, and DB groups. Oh and kicker too.

    We may have some starters in there, obviously, but no depth. Anywhere.
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  • I support this move. We don't have anybody in our receivers corp outside of Baldwin. If you do not think that our receivers are a problem, I would think again. Darboh is entirely unproven, Lockett looked underwhelming as a receiver last season, and he looked as if he lost a step. Darboh, and Lockett are unproven, and don't have anything about them that says they will do anything for us. Moreover, we don't have anyone that is a redzone threat. We don't need a star, we need a stop gap, or at least some competition. A vet receiver with good outside blocking, and big frame is exactly what the Seahawks do not have. Even if Nelson is just another Jurivious, to me that would be a win. I, personally think that we can go to the playoffs this year if we revamp our line with a vet, and sign savvy receivers like Nelson.
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  • This idea that we don't have any probs at WR isn't necessarily so. All I saw last year was our receivers going up for contested balls. I would like to see somebody get some separation.
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  • Of course he wants to go to the Pats. He'd fit in great there.

    On the other hand, it would be great to have a bigger possession receiver like Jordy for Russ to find on third downs and as an outlet. If the price is right, of course.

    At this point, WR might be one of our better position groups, which is saying something... I think LB is the best, but as vin said, we don't have any depth. LOL OL might be one of our "deepest" position groups in terms of bodies.
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  • Doesn’t fit our profile: too tall, too old. IMHO we don’t sign him. I’ll be pleasantly surprised if we do. If we do I’ll take a break from watching porn to study the contract.
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  • We will have to re evaluate the WR group when we watch, they won't be running High School route trees this year.
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  • He would be a nice addition but would he want to be the #2 or #3 target on a run first team. I would be fine with a 2y 10M deal only $5M guaranteed
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  • chris98251 wrote:We will have to re evaluate the WR group when we watch, they won't be running High School route trees this year.

    The style that Schottenheimer runs is actually very close to what Bevell did in the passing game. I would be holding my breath in this regard. I will say this though, if he actually designs checkdown routes for Russell, I will be happy.
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  • We've lost one guy from the group that doesn't run a full route tree to the extent needed. Jimmy is a WR, yes, but he was playing Y TE for us in-line and it was all wrong. We need to correct that. I'd rather go with ASJ in a 2-3 year with some measure of opting out if he reverts.

    So we basically have one guy lost at WR.

    We have a true X candidate we picked in the 3rd who's better suited to play legitimate X in the passing game. Big, fast, agile, catch radius, strong hands catcher, box out catcher, etc. The whole route tree is there due to both hands and physical versatility.

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    Literally it goes X, Y Z across the field. X is the SE, Y the TE, and Z the FL. All same same.
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  • Spin Doctor wrote:
    chris98251 wrote:We will have to re evaluate the WR group when we watch, they won't be running High School route trees this year.

    The style that Schottenheimer runs is actually very close to what Bevell did in the passing game. I would be holding my breath in this regard. I will say this though, if he actually designs checkdown routes for Russell, I will be happy.


    For me, it was Bevell's predictability that drove me nuts and empty sets on 3 and short. And constantly running 9 routes,,,,,,,,,never mind.
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  • Wenhawk wrote:He would be a nice addition but would he want to be the #2 or #3 target on a run first team. I would be fine with a 2y 10M deal only $5M guaranteed


    What makes you think he would be the #2 or #3 target?
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    Wenhawk wrote:He would be a nice addition but would he want to be the #2 or #3 target on a run first team. I would be fine with a 2y 10M deal only $5M guaranteed


    What makes you think he would be the #2 or #3 target?

    Yeah, I think Jordy would take over the X duties basically right away, while also getting incorporated into the other positions to become more mobile. He's an X though. His contract would probably reflect that even now. Dude can really go get the ball. His equilibrium and body contorts to catch a ball are insane. Very much like Fitz.

    Even then, I know he won't come cheap and Doug is making 11.9M next year. We have a bare bones roster even with a few great to good starters, among some decent bets for hopeful upcomers. So many holes to fill.
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  • vin.couve12 wrote:We've lost one guy from the group that doesn't run a full route tree to the extent needed. Jimmy is a WR, yes, but he was playing Y TE for us in-line and it was all wrong. We need to correct that. I'd rather go with ASJ in a 2-3 year with some measure of opting out if he reverts.

    So we basically have one guy lost at WR.


    That's splitting hairs and you have to know it. The man had ten touchdowns.
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  • Spin Doctor wrote:
    chris98251 wrote:We will have to re evaluate the WR group when we watch, they won't be running High School route trees this year.

    The style that Schottenheimer runs is actually very close to what Bevell did in the passing game. I would be holding my breath in this regard. I will say this though, if he actually designs checkdown routes for Russell, I will be happy.


    He uses motion to set up the offense and disclose the defense and is much better at using three levels of the field as well, just that alone will help and we won't see badly designed pick plays that the defense can see coming 3 seconds in advance.
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  • vin.couve12 wrote:We've lost one guy from the group that doesn't run a full route tree to the extent needed. Jimmy is a WR, yes, but he was playing Y TE for us in-line and it was all wrong. We need to correct that. I'd rather go with ASJ in a 2-3 year with some measure of opting out if he reverts.

    So we basically have one guy lost at WR.

    We have a true X candidate we picked in the 3rd who's better suited to play legitimate X in the passing game. Big, fast, agile, catch radius, strong hands catcher, box out catcher, etc. The whole route tree is there due to both hands and physical versatility.

    6'2
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    Moore just for good measure:
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    124" vert
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    Literally it goes X, Y Z across the field. X is the SE, Y the TE, and Z the FL. All same same.


    Alright, alright...I gotta throw Doug in there just to see where he's truly, almost historically special in these areas.

    OK, maybe I'm not. He ran between a 4.47 and 4.49 from reports in his pro day, depending on source. Had a 37" vert and yada yada yada. Most sites list his 3 cone as a 6.56 vs 6.65 that some sites are. I would believe the former. Dude is strait ninja quick. He separates with ease.
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  • MontanaHawk05 wrote:
    vin.couve12 wrote:We've lost one guy from the group that doesn't run a full route tree to the extent needed. Jimmy is a WR, yes, but he was playing Y TE for us in-line and it was all wrong. We need to correct that. I'd rather go with ASJ in a 2-3 year with some measure of opting out if he reverts.

    So we basically have one guy lost at WR.


    That's splitting hairs and you have to know it. The man had ten touchdowns.

    Carson would have had 10 touchdowns. Or maybe a string of other decent backs. Better off distributing those TDs in an uncanny poor year of running.

    I'd almost say I'd laugh if we get these skill position weapons again and no OL and then people say the same stuff about not having enough time to pass.

    Again, in a bubble that can make sense. It doesn't with the rest of the greater picture. There's a cap. It is what it is.

    Like dude from Last Crusade, "Choose wisely."
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  • Alright, if he can do what this man did for our team, then fine.

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  • seahawkfreak wrote:Alright, if he can do what this man did for our team, then fine.

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  • I'm mediocre about this.

    If he does sign I'm not convinced I will like the contract.
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  • King Dog wrote:I just cried a little looking at our WR and TE group


    Agreed it looks really bad right now at the skill postions on Offense those that say otherwise don't know what there talking about. Hopefull they can hit on something in the draft or FA to help otherwise it's going to be a bad year for the Seahawks.
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  • Modern salary cap and CBA lead to roster turnover. While I think Nelson is a stellar player. NE has discovered the key to success. Identify your franchise players, pay them and cap cut everyone else to find young talent that can outplay the aging and overpaid "Big Name" players.

    I'm not saying Nelson is a bad player, I'm just saying he isn't worth the kind of cap hit he'd bring.
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  • vin.couve12 wrote:I'm being one of the few rational, logical people here.


    Don't be insulting.

    vin.couve12 wrote:Carson would have had 10 touchdowns.


    First, you don't know that. Graham's touchdowns were generated by his frame and skill. Everyone in this forum was screaming for a big red-zone target for years while our red zone stats languished. Then we got one, he got hurt in 2015, things were weird in 2016, and he finally came through in 2017 with exactly what everyone wanted. And now you think that our red zone performance will just stay right where it was when every year without Graham, including those with Marshawn Lynch, said otherwise? Doug Baldwin wasn't out there averaging 13-14 touchdowns in those days (and I'm curious why you don't think he'll draw more coverage now that he's Seattle's biggest threat).

    Second, it's not even enough to just hand his ten touchdowns to someone else. We need sixteen just to get us back to our inadequate 2017 numbers. Over twenty would probably have made 2017 workable, and now we're entering a year where we'll have to win with our offense more often thanks to the offloading of all this defensive talent.

    Third, you yourself think Carson is an RB1, so we're not that thin at RB.
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  • MontanaHawk05 wrote:
    vin.couve12 wrote:I'm being one of the few rational, logical people here.


    Don't be insulting.


    A statement like his is inherently contradictory. What rational and logical person concludes they are the sole possessor of rationality and logic ;)
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  • original poster wrote:I'm mediocre about this.

    If he does sign I'm not convinced I will like the contract.


    That is warmer than I. I think Nelson is washed up and his numbers show the clear decline. You don't spend on players like this and try to build a future, you give a young prospect that shot.

    Also, lets not make last years mistake signing guys like Joeckel before TJ Lang, then come up just short on the greater impact player. :177692: :141847_bnono: :177692: :141847_bnono: :177692: :141847_bnono:
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  • MontanaHawk05 wrote:
    vin.couve12 wrote:I'm being one of the few rational, logical people here.


    Don't be insulting.

    vin.couve12 wrote:Carson would have had 10 touchdowns.


    First, you don't know that. Graham's touchdowns were generated by his frame and skill.


    Interesting. I could have sworn Graham had that same "frame and skill" in 2015 and 2016 when he averaged 4 TD's per year.
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  • mrt144 wrote:
    MontanaHawk05 wrote:
    vin.couve12 wrote:I'm being one of the few rational, logical people here.


    Don't be insulting.


    A statement like his is inherently contradictory. What rational and logical person concludes they are the sole possessor of rationality and logic ;)

    No one said sole possessor. You're trying too hard to be insulted.
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  • vin.couve12 wrote:
    mrt144 wrote:
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    vin.couve12 wrote:I'm being one of the few rational, logical people here.


    Don't be insulting.


    A statement like his is inherently contradictory. What rational and logical person concludes they are the sole possessor of rationality and logic ;)

    No one said sole possessor. You're trying too hard to be insulted.


    I have a way higher threshold for being insulted than a dude vigorously patting himself on the back.
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