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Re: Vikings after Sheldon
Fri Mar 16, 2018 12:22 pm
  • $11M for Sheldon means 4th rd not a 3rd compensatory. He basically chose the better team. He knows Hawks window has closed.
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Re: Vikings after Sheldon
Fri Mar 16, 2018 12:25 pm
  • RCATES wrote:$11M for Sheldon means 4th rd not a 3rd compensatory. He basically chose the better team. He knows Hawks window has closed.


    Have not seen the financials disclosed yet.
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Re: Vikings after Sheldon
Fri Mar 16, 2018 12:26 pm
  • Phew. Glad that's over.
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Re: Vikings after Sheldon
Fri Mar 16, 2018 12:26 pm
  • 2_0_6 wrote:Do we even get a comp pick now?

    Yes, it doesn’t matter that it’s a 1 year deal.
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Re: Vikings after Sheldon
Fri Mar 16, 2018 12:27 pm
  • no still a 3rd im hearing and also sheldon can do one always thought of him as a mercinary
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Re: Vikings after Sheldon
Fri Mar 16, 2018 12:27 pm
  • He’s not 3 mill better than dontari Poe so whatever that’s fine. I don’t think he’s ever been on a playoff team so it’s not like he’s a winner
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Re: Vikings after Sheldon
Fri Mar 16, 2018 12:28 pm
  • Blitzer88 wrote:
    RCATES wrote:$11M for Sheldon means 4th rd not a 3rd compensatory. He basically chose the better team. He knows Hawks window has closed.


    Have not seen the financials disclosed yet.


    I heard 1 yr $15M on 710, but it may have been a guess. Either way, I don't pay him over 8M anyway. He did not have the expected impact here to overpay.
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Re: Vikings after Sheldon
Fri Mar 16, 2018 12:30 pm
  • Kinger95 wrote:He’s not 3 mill better than dontari Poe so whatever that’s fine. I don’t think he’s ever been on a playoff team so it’s not like he’s a winner

    On the contrary. He's a quitter. An infectious disease that can spread.
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Re: Vikings after Sheldon
Fri Mar 16, 2018 12:31 pm
  • Well....

    Wish we had that 2nd rounder and Kearse back. :?
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Re: Vikings after Sheldon
Fri Mar 16, 2018 12:32 pm
  • Question - why didn't the hawks transition tag Richardson? Wouldn't that have been close to the reported 11 mil they were willing to pay him?
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Re: Vikings after Sheldon
Fri Mar 16, 2018 12:32 pm
  • Window closed? Suicidal hawks fans rage on.


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Re: Vikings after Sheldon
Fri Mar 16, 2018 12:33 pm
  • I dunno if DT is a position when you wanna spend big cash . IMO the difference between a 12 mill a year guy and 8 mill is sometimes pretty minimal. And I also feel like there’s always good DT’s in every draft even into the 40’s
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Re: Vikings after Sheldon
Fri Mar 16, 2018 12:34 pm
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Re: Vikings after Sheldon
Fri Mar 16, 2018 12:34 pm
  • vin.couve12 wrote:
    Kinger95 wrote:He’s not 3 mill better than dontari Poe so whatever that’s fine. I don’t think he’s ever been on a playoff team so it’s not like he’s a winner

    On the contrary. He's a quitter. An infectious disease that can spread.


    Poe or Sheldon?
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Re: Vikings after Sheldon
Fri Mar 16, 2018 12:38 pm
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    Thanks Greg bell. Captain obvious....
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Re: Vikings after Sheldon
Fri Mar 16, 2018 12:38 pm
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    It hurts even more when you say it out aloud.
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Re: Vikings after Sheldon
Fri Mar 16, 2018 12:38 pm
  • Kinger95 wrote:
    vin.couve12 wrote:
    Kinger95 wrote:He’s not 3 mill better than dontari Poe so whatever that’s fine. I don’t think he’s ever been on a playoff team so it’s not like he’s a winner

    On the contrary. He's a quitter. An infectious disease that can spread.


    Poe or Sheldon?

    i take poe if nobody could see what was coming with sheldon then.. was clear he goes where the money is im certain he was asked half way through the season would he stay and he said whoever has the biggest check
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Re: Vikings after Sheldon
Fri Mar 16, 2018 12:39 pm
  • Kinger95 wrote:
    vin.couve12 wrote:
    Kinger95 wrote:He’s not 3 mill better than dontari Poe so whatever that’s fine. I don’t think he’s ever been on a playoff team so it’s not like he’s a winner

    On the contrary. He's a quitter. An infectious disease that can spread.


    Poe or Sheldon?


    Richardson is the quitter IMO. He gave up some huge run plays in his gap several times last year that were costly. Seemed very up and down with effort.
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Re: Vikings got Sheldon
Fri Mar 16, 2018 12:40 pm
  • What an awful trade. 2nd round plus 8m for marginal impact. Now we will be lucky to even net a 4th round comp.

    FO flipped out on the Malik Injury, we would have been fine.
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Re: Vikings after Sheldon
Fri Mar 16, 2018 12:42 pm
  • Kinger95 wrote:
    vin.couve12 wrote:
    Kinger95 wrote:He’s not 3 mill better than dontari Poe so whatever that’s fine. I don’t think he’s ever been on a playoff team so it’s not like he’s a winner

    On the contrary. He's a quitter. An infectious disease that can spread.


    Poe or Sheldon?

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Re: Vikings got Sheldon
Fri Mar 16, 2018 12:43 pm
  • Thanks McDowell
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Re: Vikings got Sheldon
Fri Mar 16, 2018 12:44 pm
  • Coug_Hawk08 wrote:What an awful trade. 2nd round plus 8m for marginal impact. Now we will be lucky to even net a 4th round comp.

    FO flipped out on the Malik Injury, we would have been fine.


    Yep. It comes full circle back to the McDowell and taking risks on red flag morons effect. Lose McDowell, lose Kearse, Lose Richardson, lose another 2nd, miss the playoffs, blow up the team and coaching staff.

    This whole mess is all tied heavily to the McDowell pick / reach / blunder.
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Re: Vikings after Sheldon
Fri Mar 16, 2018 12:45 pm
  • RCATES wrote:$11M for Sheldon means 4th rd not a 3rd compensatory. He basically chose the better team. He knows Hawks window has closed.

    Also, on this topic...

    ... every time we trade away a pick, there's always marginalizing of what we gave up. "Well, our first round pick is so late in the first, it's basically a second. When you think about that, it's not so bad."

    But then when we talk about compensation picks -- despite the fact that they come super late, e.g. last year a 3rd round comp pick was as late as pick #107 in the draft, a 4th round comp pick was as late as #144 -- we assert that round like it's super valuable.

    Lots of flip-flopping to minimize what we gave up.

    Not impressed with this trade by Schneider.
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Re: Vikings after Sheldon
Fri Mar 16, 2018 12:47 pm
  • Graham and S. Richardson should each net 4th round comp picks (at a minimum). P. Richardson should net a 5th or 6th.

    Dickson's contract is probably structured in such a way that it won't cancel out any of the three comp picks, ie. he is valued as a 7th and only cancels out one of our other free agents (Shead, Willson, Joeckel, Aboushi, Lacy, etc.)

    Shead signed a deal for $3,350,000, which is on par with Dickson's deal.
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Re: Vikings after Sheldon
Fri Mar 16, 2018 12:47 pm
  • Seahawk_Dan wrote:
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    It hurts even more when you say it out aloud.


    What hurts?

    The Hawks get a comp pick which is conveniently left out of this analysis. Kearse wasn't very good, and not sure how Paul Richardson leaving in free agency is even relevant.

    Richardson and a 3rd/4th comp pick for a 2nd and Kearse.

    Hindsight is 20/20 but the front office couldn't predict the secondary being decimated with injuries.
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Re: Vikings got Sheldon
Fri Mar 16, 2018 12:48 pm
  • It's not on McDowell or the McDowell pick. The FO behaved like a desparate divorcee. This is on them.
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Re: Vikings after Sheldon
Fri Mar 16, 2018 12:49 pm
  • fridayfrenzy wrote:
    Seahawk_Dan wrote:
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    It hurts even more when you say it out aloud.


    What hurts?

    The Hawks get a comp pick which is conveniently left out of this analysis. Kearse wasn't very good, and not sure how Paul Richardson leaving in free agency is even relevant.

    Richardson and a 3rd/4th comp pick for a 2nd and Kearse.

    Hindsight is 20/20 but the front office couldn't predict the secondary being decimated with injuries.

    This too. There's a whole lot of chance involved.
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Re: Vikings got Sheldon
Fri Mar 16, 2018 12:50 pm
  • Doubt that Schneider was the driving force wanting the trade for Richardson to happen, this is Harvinesque and has Pete’s Big Balls prints all over it. They traded a 2nd for a possible 4th and one year of Sheldon at $8 mil./year. Seems like a bad deal created by critical need.

    It’s done, time to move on..
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Re: Vikings got Sheldon
Fri Mar 16, 2018 12:50 pm
  • Coug_Hawk08 wrote:What an awful trade. 2nd round plus 8m for marginal impact. Now we will be lucky to even net a 4th round comp.


    I honestly don't see how its a terrible trade.
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Re: Vikings got Sheldon
Fri Mar 16, 2018 12:52 pm
  • fridayfrenzy wrote:
    Coug_Hawk08 wrote:What an awful trade. 2nd round plus 8m for marginal impact. Now we will be lucky to even net a 4th round comp.


    I honestly don't see how its a terrible trade.


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Re: Vikings got Sheldon
Fri Mar 16, 2018 12:53 pm
  • McDowell has actually caused a chain reaction of complete garbage. Let’s say we had picked LT Cam Robinson at 34 instead of moving down 1 spot just so we could pick up mike Tyson. We wouldn’t have had to traded a 2nd and 3rd for Duane brown. We would have had like 6 mill more cap space that we could have spent on defense and we wouldn’t have likely made the trade for Sheldon

    McDowell obviously wasn’t hurt when we drafted him and I don’t blame him or the front office I’m just saying it’s crazy how that pick altered everything
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Re: Vikings after Sheldon
Fri Mar 16, 2018 12:53 pm
  • fridayfrenzy wrote:
    Seahawk_Dan wrote:
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    It hurts even more when you say it out aloud.


    What hurts?

    The Hawks get a comp pick which is conveniently left out of this analysis. Kearse wasn't very good, and not sure how Paul Richardson leaving in free agency is even relevant.

    Richardson and a 3rd/4th comp pick for a 2nd and Kearse.

    Hindsight is 20/20 but the front office couldn't predict the secondary being decimated with injuries.


    It hurts because the whole Richardson trade was a reaction for Malik getting hurt and wanting to get rid of Kearse. The FO wanted to go all in in 2017 for a deep playoff hunt but didn't even make it in the first place.
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Re: Vikings got Sheldon
Fri Mar 16, 2018 12:56 pm
  • jammerhawk wrote:Doubt that Schneider was the driving force wanting the trade for Richardson to happen, this is Harvinesque and has Pete’s Big Balls prints all over it. They traded a 2nd for a possible 4th and one year of Sheldon at $8 mil./year. Seems like a bad deal created by critical need.

    It’s done, time to move on..


    Exactly. This is a BBP cruise missile pointed directly at Pauls submarine.
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Re: Vikings got Sheldon
Fri Mar 16, 2018 12:57 pm
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Re: Vikings after Sheldon
Fri Mar 16, 2018 12:58 pm
  • Seahawk_Dan wrote:
    fridayfrenzy wrote:
    Seahawk_Dan wrote:
    Seymour wrote:


    It hurts even more when you say it out aloud.


    What hurts?

    The Hawks get a comp pick which is conveniently left out of this analysis. Kearse wasn't very good, and not sure how Paul Richardson leaving in free agency is even relevant.

    Richardson and a 3rd/4th comp pick for a 2nd and Kearse.

    Hindsight is 20/20 but the front office couldn't predict the secondary being decimated with injuries.


    It hurts because the whole Richardson trade was a reaction for Malik getting hurt and wanting to get rid of Kearse. The FO wanted to go all in in 2017 for a deep playoff hunt but didn't even make it in the first place.

    Disregarding the unfortunate injuries which was a big reason they didn't make a deep playoff hunt, what is bad about the trade?

    In the deal they moved down from 2nd to the 3rd round in the draft (depending on comp pick) and lost Kearse a player who wasn't playing well at all and would probably have been cut this offseason anyways.
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Re: Vikings after Sheldon
Fri Mar 16, 2018 12:58 pm
  • fridayfrenzy wrote:Hindsight is 20/20 but the front office couldn't predict the secondary being decimated with injuries.

    Comp picks are fine, but fans exaggerate their value. First of all, they are at the very, very end of the round they are awarded in. Let's say it ends up being only a 4th round compensation pick (only 11 3rds were awarded last year so it's possible), it has very little value -- at that point, it's basically the equivalent of two six rounders (according to draft value chart). Hindsight or not, we're now without pick #49 overall.

    Second of all, comp picks are not guaranteed. Sheldon Richardson is now gone and we don't have a replacement for him. Now the front office is handcuffed, because if they want to go and sign someone like Ndamukong Suh they're going to forfeit the compensation pick they would've received (i.e. compensation picks can be canceled out).

    We don't even have a compensation pick for him yet and you're acting like it's in the bag already. People were acting like it was in the bag when this trade happened months ago. Stop minimizing what we gave up.
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Re: Vikings got Sheldon
Fri Mar 16, 2018 12:58 pm


  • So two 4th round comps for Jimmy/Sheldon and a possible 5th for Paul. Mingo should cancel out Shead. Not sure who Dickson would cancel out, yet.

    I don't think chasing compensatory picks is normally the best way to improve a team, but those three picks could help a little in the future.
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Re: Vikings after Sheldon
Fri Mar 16, 2018 1:03 pm
  • JimmyG wrote:
    RCATES wrote:$11M for Sheldon means 4th rd not a 3rd compensatory. He basically chose the better team. He knows Hawks window has closed.

    Also, on this topic...

    ... every time we trade away a pick, there's always marginalizing of what we gave up. "Well, our first round pick is so late in the first, it's basically a second. When you think about that, it's not so bad."

    But then when we talk about compensation picks -- despite the fact that they come super late, e.g. last year a 3rd round comp pick was as late as pick #107 in the draft, a 4th round comp pick was as late as #144 -- we assert that round like it's super valuable.

    Lots of flip-flopping to minimize what we gave up.

    Not impressed with this trade by Schneider.

    You've got "flip-flopping" on both sides. Everyone acting like Kearse was some valuable asset that we "lost" in the SR trade is just as guilty. Before the trade almost every person on here wanted Kearse cut if not traded.

    The trade basically came down to swapping a 2nd round pick for a late 3rd/4th to rent Richardson for a year. That's not that bad a deal, especially when you factor in McDowell being lost to injury. If anything you should be more upset they were relying so much on one guy (McDowell) that when he went down they got desperate.
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Re: Vikings after Sheldon
Fri Mar 16, 2018 1:03 pm
  • JimmyG wrote:
    fridayfrenzy wrote:Hindsight is 20/20 but the front office couldn't predict the secondary being decimated with injuries.

    We don't even have a compensation pick for him yet and you're acting like it's in the bag already. People were acting like it was in the bag when this trade happened months ago. Stop minimizing what we gave up.


    Trades happen with the information you have at that moment. The trade happened and it was a slam dunk. The fact the Seahawks had injuries or played poorly afterwards is not a reflection on the trade itself.

    If the Hawks won the Superbowl last year then people'e tune would be it was worth it to go for it. The FO made a choice to give them the best team last year and it didn't turn out. How the season actually ended has nothing to do with the trade.
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Re: Vikings got Sheldon
Fri Mar 16, 2018 1:04 pm
  • To be fair the front office was expecting us to be picking around pick 55-60 in the second round this year and Sheldon is way better than anything there odds are( draft odds are all over the place) . Hurts because we missed the playoffs and we could use that pick to fill a lot of spots but if we won a playoff game it’s a different story. Heck we were 9-7 the same record the bills made the playoffs with so it wasn’t a disaster like it feels like. The bengals, bills, lions and browns haven’t won a playoff game in 200 years so taking risks to win isn’t all that bad
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Re: Vikings after Sheldon
Fri Mar 16, 2018 1:05 pm
  • DJrmb wrote:The trade basically came down to swapping a 2nd round pick for a late 3rd/4th to rent Richardson for a year. That's not that bad a deal, especially when you factor in McDowell being lost to injury. If anything you should be more upset they were relying so much on one guy (McDowell) that when he went down they got desperate.

    No it didn't. Compensation picks are not a guarantee. If we sign someone of comparable salary (e.g. we are rumored to be interested in Suh), we do not get the compensation pick.

    More like "the possibility of a 3rd/4th round pick".
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Re: Vikings after Sheldon
Fri Mar 16, 2018 1:06 pm
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    DJrmb wrote:The trade basically came down to swapping a 2nd round pick for a late 3rd/4th to rent Richardson for a year. That's not that bad a deal, especially when you factor in McDowell being lost to injury. If anything you should be more upset they were relying so much on one guy (McDowell) that when he went down they got desperate.

    No it didn't. Compensation picks are not a guarantee. If we sign someone of comparable salary (e.g. we are rumored to be interested in Suh), we do not get the compensation pick.

    More like "the possibility of a 3rd/4th round pick".


    Suh would not cost us a compensatory pick because he was released.
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Re: Vikings after Sheldon
Fri Mar 16, 2018 1:07 pm
  • hawknation2018 wrote:
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    DJrmb wrote:The trade basically came down to swapping a 2nd round pick for a late 3rd/4th to rent Richardson for a year. That's not that bad a deal, especially when you factor in McDowell being lost to injury. If anything you should be more upset they were relying so much on one guy (McDowell) that when he went down they got desperate.

    No it didn't. Compensation picks are not a guarantee. If we sign someone of comparable salary (e.g. we are rumored to be interested in Suh), we do not get the compensation pick.

    More like "the possibility of a 3rd/4th round pick".


    Suh would not cost us a compensatory pick because he was released.

    Okay, good point. I will concede Suh, but the point still stands.
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Re: Vikings got Sheldon
Fri Mar 16, 2018 1:08 pm
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    So two 4th round comps for Jimmy/Sheldon and a possible 5th for Paul. Mingo should cancel out Shead. Not sure who Dickson would cancel out, yet.

    I don't think chasing compensatory picks is normally the best way to improve a team, but those three picks could help a little in the future.

    Shead was released, not a UFA. He will not count in compensatory figures.

    Mingo likely cancels out PRich, and at this point Dickson cancels out whoever the lower pick is of Jimmy/Sheldon.

    That being said, it's not over yet. A guy like Luke Willson signing somewhere will stop the cancellation of the Jimmy/Sheldon pick if they don't sign any more UFAs.
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Re: Vikings got Sheldon
Fri Mar 16, 2018 1:08 pm
  • Meh...done with the Richardson subject. Glad he's gone.

    Spilled milk everywhere. Clean it up and move on.
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Re: Vikings got Sheldon
Fri Mar 16, 2018 1:09 pm
  • We were one bad kicker away from the playoffs and without the secondary injuries probably been cake walk to the superbowl.

    It was a good trade/gamble....Kearse was already going to get released. Sheldon would either be our future or he walks and we get a comp pick from him for one year rental. Be amazing if we replace him with Suh who is a better player and doesn't mess up the comp pick.
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Re: Vikings got Sheldon
Fri Mar 16, 2018 1:12 pm
  • Well, they wasted a 2nd rounder and kearse for literally no reason. Im glad they didnt give Sheldon a huge contract though, hopefully Malik can play next season, he can still make a huge impact.
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Re: Vikings after Sheldon
Fri Mar 16, 2018 1:12 pm
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    hawknation2018 wrote:
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    DJrmb wrote:The trade basically came down to swapping a 2nd round pick for a late 3rd/4th to rent Richardson for a year. That's not that bad a deal, especially when you factor in McDowell being lost to injury. If anything you should be more upset they were relying so much on one guy (McDowell) that when he went down they got desperate.

    No it didn't. Compensation picks are not a guarantee. If we sign someone of comparable salary (e.g. we are rumored to be interested in Suh), we do not get the compensation pick.

    More like "the possibility of a 3rd/4th round pick".


    Suh would not cost us a compensatory pick because he was released.

    Okay, good point. I will concede Suh, but the point still stands.

    That's exactly why they're looking at Suh, and bringing in lots of guys that have been cut. In a sense, yes they can guarantee a comp pick if they stick to signing players that were cut or sign players later down the road in May when the cutoff is. They can also still trade for guys as well.
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Re: Vikings got Sheldon
Fri Mar 16, 2018 1:12 pm
  • Damn time to go all in on Suh then.
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Re: Vikings got Sheldon
Fri Mar 16, 2018 1:23 pm
  • Decimation wrote:Damn time to go all in on Suh then.


    All signs are pointing that way. Apparently, the Seahawks did NOT offer Richardson $11M. A lot is riding on the Suh deal.

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