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Re: Sherman's Theories on The Hawks
Sat Mar 17, 2018 8:21 am
  • pittpnthrs wrote:
    Coug_Hawk08 wrote: Our offense ranked top ten in 13, 14, 15, — followed by just above league average in 16, 17.


    Says a lot about Marshawn Lynch doesnt it?


    Definitely credit to him for sure, we all know he was an animal out there. Although, the Line was better (not saying good) then, and when we were rated the highest in ‘15, Marshawn wasn’t actually playing.
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Re: Sherman's Theories on The Hawks
Sat Mar 17, 2018 8:31 am
  • Coug_Hawk08 wrote:
    pittpnthrs wrote:
    Coug_Hawk08 wrote: Our offense ranked top ten in 13, 14, 15, — followed by just above league average in 16, 17.


    Says a lot about Marshawn Lynch doesnt it?


    Definitely credit to him for sure, we all know he was an animal out there. Although, the Line was better (not saying good) then, and when we were rated the highest in ‘15, Marshawn wasn’t actually playing.



    This leaves aside that the Hawks weren’t great at running with Lynch before Wilson arrived. It took Lynch, Wilson, and the existing line to be top level. Keep in mind, Lynch didn’t really contribute in 15. That was Rawls as primary back.
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Re: Sherman's Theories on The Hawks
Sat Mar 17, 2018 10:34 am
  • Maybe I’m naive since I only read the text of the article, but I really don’t think Sherm sounded overly bitter at all. Lightly salted, maybe, but he seemed like his comments were professional enough. Another piece is that I would assume he’s being asked specific questions, which he’s giving an answer to.

    Side note... the media sucks nowadays. These writers just throw out quotes without any context most of the time.

    Best of luck Sherm, but not against Seattle.
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Re: Sherman's Theories on The Hawks
Sat Mar 17, 2018 4:03 pm
  • Dam that ain’t no spin Doc! Great post!
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Re: Sherman's Theories on The Hawks
Sat Mar 17, 2018 5:37 pm
  • Man the 30 for 30 on the LoB Seahawks is gonna be incendiary. Should open the fan salt mine even further haha
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Re: Sherman's Theories on The Hawks
Sun Mar 18, 2018 5:39 am
  • Pete Carroll is corny. Pretty good coach, though. If Sherman were a more mature player he'd understand what Pete was trying to accomplish. So he had to hear a story repeated a few times? Cry me a river. Realize who Pete is and just roll with it.
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Re: Sherman's Theories on The Hawks
Sun Mar 18, 2018 5:26 pm
  • There is a lot of information about Pete Carroll and the current Seahawk program. However, the controversial and often contradictory mystery known as Richard Sherman is another mater. I think a thread on dedicated to theories about "what's eating Richard Sherman" could be of entertaining interest.
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Re: Sherman's Theories on The Hawks
Sun Mar 18, 2018 6:15 pm
  • Jville wrote:There is a lot of information about Pete Carroll and the current Seahawk program. However, the controversial and often contradictory mystery known as Richard Sherman is another mater. I think a thread on dedicated to theories about "what's eating Richard Sherman" could be of entertaining interest.



    What’s eating Sherm?

    It’s no secret that he and a few other members of the team were getting frustrated with the favoritism that RW received. Russ gets credit for all the wins these days, and none of the losses.

    One conspiracy theory that could be a thread of its own, is “Why is the LOB REALLY being sent packing?”

    This in my opinion is the first year that Wilson will have to prove to us who he really is. Is he the type that makes everyone better around him and can win games, now that the elite defense that was keeping the opposing score low is absolutely destroyed and scattered to the 4 corners of the country?

    2018 will either be a good year, or the last year that PC and JS....and yes even RW are linked to the Seahawks.
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Re: Sherman's Theories on The Hawks
Mon Mar 19, 2018 5:51 am
  • He can't stand to go 5 minutes w/out playing the victim. Has to have the last word, over and over. And has never been wrong EVER :lol:
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Re: Sherman's Theories on The Hawks
Mon Mar 19, 2018 7:43 am
  • AF_BASS_MAN wrote:
    pittpnthrs wrote:
    Spin Doctor wrote:The biggest part of managing an NFL team *IS* managing people. No matter the success one brings there will always be question marks, and the need to get the players to buy in to what you're selling. After 2015 I think that Carroll lost a lot of credibility. Bevell stood up at the podium and trashed Wilson, and Lockette, and there were no negative repercussions. The line played like a leaking sieve for years, yet Cable still stayed. The nepotism, and refusal to admit there was a major problem on the offensive side of the ball made Carroll seem out of touch. Last year everything culminated, and came to a head. All of the issues that were bubbling underneath the surface all of the sudden were made painfully clear.

    I don't doubt one word of what Sherman is saying. There were too many rumors, and actual events that happened last season for it all to be a coincidence, or speculation. You could see it in the play of our team as well. We were very close to the most penalized team of all time. Our team lacked gap integrity on defense, and people were all just doing their own thing. I think it's clear that there was a problem, hence why we had a purge within the organization. Now we're shopping Earl Thomas, we straight up cut Sherman, and we traded Bennett away for practically nothing. We replaced Bevell, and Richards with two militaristic style, no BS coordinators in Schotty and Ken Norton Jr. Wholesale changes such as this do not happen unless there is a major problem afoot, especially when said team was talked about as a major contender for the Superbowl come this time last year with a coach that is now the oldest in the NFL.

    There is some truth to what Sherman is saying, if there wasn't we wouldn't see the cornerstones of our organization be traded for little to nothing, or straight up cut.


    Great post. I have no issues with what Sherman said. He wont be the last person to publicly criticize Pete and his ways. Seems like the fans know about all the issues but only get upset when somebody actually speaks about them.



    Agreed 100%


    Speaking the truth is not so much the issue here. It's continuing to talk about it to any one who will listen, over and over.

    He went on Joe Thomas's podcast of all places to air dirty laundry. This wan't ESPN, or a Seattle radio show.... he went on an obscure podcast. Seriously Sherm, who are you going to talk to next? Maybe call some high school newspapers, or some fan blogs, maybe you can get an exclusive with .NET? :lol:

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Re: Sherman's Theories on The Hawks
Mon Mar 19, 2018 9:37 am
  • The rage that we think fueled the rise and success of RS was always unnecessary. It is no more than a totem he was holding onto like a lucky charm. The reason Sherman is gone, he is no longer considered to be a top 10 corner. He can be beaten and the defense failed many times over the last 4 years. Of course they had stretches of dominance, but they also had stretches of abominable failure. The defense lost a Super Bowl by allowing Tom Brady long drives. They lost NFC championships by allowing Atlanta and Carolina to shred them. They actually lucked into the second Super Bowl when Green Bay collapsed.

    All players are replaceable at a certain age, and Sherman and Bennett have reached their expiration point. Hopefully Kam and Avril still have a chance to play for us, and Earl stays til the end. The first two? I would say thank you, but they don't need that. They were paid exceedingly well, that is all they deserve.
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Re: Sherman's Theories on The Hawks
Mon Mar 19, 2018 1:08 pm
  • AF_BASS_MAN wrote:
    Jville wrote:There is a lot of information about Pete Carroll and the current Seahawk program. However, the controversial and often contradictory mystery known as Richard Sherman is another mater. I think a thread on dedicated to theories about "what's eating Richard Sherman" could be of entertaining interest.



    What’s eating Sherm?

    It’s no secret that he and a few other members of the team were getting frustrated with the favoritism that RW received. Russ gets credit for all the wins these days, and none of the losses.

    One conspiracy theory that could be a thread of its own, is “Why is the LOB REALLY being sent packing?”

    This in my opinion is the first year that Wilson will have to prove to us who he really is. Is he the type that makes everyone better around him and can win games, now that the elite defense that was keeping the opposing score low is absolutely destroyed and scattered to the 4 corners of the country?

    2018 will either be a good year, or the last year that PC and JS....and yes even RW are linked to the Seahawks.


    But this is not even a correct narrative if Sherman and others thought, or still think Russell gets too much credit.

    All we heard about the Hawks during our SB run, locally and nationally was 80%

    - "all time great defense"
    - "You Mad Bro"
    - "LOB LOB LOB"
    - "Beastmode"

    Russell was at BEST 2nd or 3rd most talked about part of this team.

    btw, even if they did think this, at least Russell goes about his business the right way. Gracious, takes the blame for losses, credits his teammates for wins, and just goes about his business being a positive leader on the team.

    Sorry Richard if Russell wasn't real enough for you. Maybe if you followed Russell's lead and knocked off the nonsense you'd still be here.
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Re: Sherman's Theories on The Hawks
Mon Mar 19, 2018 1:10 pm
  • Good points........that guy can't stand being the center of attention. And now he's taking shots at the team and coach that stood by him.
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Re: Sherman's Theories on The Hawks
Mon Mar 19, 2018 1:57 pm
  • I don't hold anything against Richard. He's human, and getting let go from a job that was so much of your life in your early years would negatively effect anybody.

    Imagine his dissapointment in the draft, 5th round then wondering if he was ever going to get real chance to show what he could do. Followed by blowing up, becoming a part of the Legion of Boom, winning a SuperB Owl, Pro Bowls, All Pro, then your team cuts you.

    Players always say "It's a business," but I say, we're all human.

    Thank you Richard Sherman for all that you did for this team, it's fans, and the city of Seattle, helping to put it on the NFL map.

    Good luck in your future endeavors, and when you retire, come back to Seattle and retire as a Seahawk. :irishdrinkers:
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Re: Sherman's Theories on The Hawks
Mon Mar 19, 2018 5:42 pm
  • Sherman was born with a flame thrower, I don't even think he knows that every time he looks back he burns a bridge or at least sets it on fire, did the same with Stanford as well. Maybe it's how he gets himself up to be more competitive using the anger or disrespect as a boost.

    I can understand it, doesn't go over well with a lot of people but I can relate, when I get pissed I am ultra tuned in and push myself to do what others say can't be done.
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Re: Sherman's Theories on The Hawks
Mon Mar 19, 2018 9:44 pm
  • "Pete's style is more built for college"

    A style that got the Hawks a yard away from a dynasty. A style that formed literally the best defense in a 4-5 year span the league as ever seen. Whatever you say, Richard.

    Pete deserves some criticism for some head-scratching in-game decisions, but really that's it.
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Re: Sherman's Theories on The Hawks
Tue Mar 20, 2018 5:26 am
  • Much of the stuff he says is HIS version of something. How quick he forgets what Pete and the front office has done for this team and the Vets. If anything, they stuck with some of them for too long.
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Re: Sherman's Theories on The Hawks
Tue Mar 20, 2018 10:37 am
  • IrishNW wrote:Sherman just signed a new contract with the 49ers and the only thing he can talk about is his former team. Speaks volumes


    ....not really sure it says much of anything other than he's salty when he perceives he's wronged. Thats who he's ALWAYS been.

    He hated Harbaugh because he was convinced Harbaugh said something to scouts and coaches that resulted in him being a 5th round pick. When the Seahawks would beat Harbaugh Niners are remember him singling out Harbaugh in his comments.

    He was convinced Crabtree said something about him and he used that to start a "feud" with Crab.

    Now the Seahawks cut him and he's using that.

    Its just "tackling fuel". Its his MO.

    The only difference between now and then is that many of you aren't used to being the target of the ire. He makes up these things in his head with little substance but its what he uses to drive himself.

    I saw that long ago which is one reason I stopped hating him so much...although the Niners being essentially non-competitive had something to do with it as well.

    Bottom Line, its funny to me to see Seahawks fans kinda see how the other half lives in response to Shermans comments.
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Re: Sherman's Theories on The Hawks
Tue Mar 20, 2018 10:56 am
  • Yep, clearly you are one of the Niner fans who knew what to expect. Wait til things go wrong, or he gives up a touchdown. It will be everyone else's fault. Was an incredible player here, I'll miss his play on the field. But the victim playing etc. long since ran it's course.
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Re: Sherman's Theories on The Hawks
Tue Mar 20, 2018 11:14 am
  • SoulfishHawk wrote:Yep, clearly you are one of the Niner fans who knew what to expect. Wait til things go wrong, or he gives up a touchdown. It will be everyone else's fault. Was an incredible player here, I'll miss his play on the field. But the victim playing etc. long since ran it's course.


    I have no illusions in regards to who he is.

    He's the same guy in a different jersey (in terms of the person, not the athlete). Reality is he will face alot more adversity as a Niner than he did as a Seahawk (based on his age and injury) and how he reacts to it will be something to watch. I do like the new secondary he's moving into (Sherman, Tartt, Ward/Colbert, Witherspoon), but they are a long way right now from the LOB.

    Can he come back and be a great player again? Time will tell. I wasn't all that enamored with the FA CBs out there tho so I am a fan of that move at that price especially since he's a scheme fit. He can also teach the 6'3" Ahkello Witherspoon how to play CB at that size in that scheme.

    Funny part is he's now selling shirts, etc in all black with red and gold "RS" on them. I'm all for signing him but I am a LONG way from buying any Richard Sherman gear. :-) I also can't bring myself to refer to him as "Sherm". LOL.

    If anyone is curious tho, Jimmie Ward gave up his number so Sherman will again wear #25.
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Re: Sherman's Theories on The Hawks
Tue Mar 20, 2018 12:02 pm
  • SF49r wrote:https://www.theplayerstribune.com/en-us/articles/richard-sherman-49ers-seahawks-free-agency
    Great read.


    Agreed. And it is definitely written more for Hawks fans than for 9ers fans. ;)
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Re: Sherman's Theories on The Hawks
Tue Mar 20, 2018 12:14 pm
  • Popeyejones wrote:
    SF49r wrote:https://www.theplayerstribune.com/en-us/articles/richard-sherman-49ers-seahawks-free-agency
    Great read.


    Agreed. And it is definitely written more for Hawks fans than for 9ers fans. ;)


    Definitely a farewell piece. No doubt about the authenticity of the author. The word "I" is used 109 times augmented with some "me" words. Sherm being Sherm. He is walking into an ideal defensive situation and theater. Should be entertaining for the Bay Area. No reason to think he won't have a full rehab. He does put in the work and practice.
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Re: Sherman's Theories on The Hawks
Tue Mar 20, 2018 1:24 pm
  • No doubt. In what world was Sherm treated bad?
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Re: Sherman's Theories on The Hawks
Tue Mar 20, 2018 5:39 pm
  • SoulfishHawk wrote:No doubt. In what world was Sherm treated bad?



    He's a 49er, could it be any worse ?
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Re: Sherman's Theories on The Hawks
Wed Mar 21, 2018 4:32 am
  • Well, that was his choice. But good point :lol:
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Re: Sherman's Theories on The Hawks
Wed Mar 21, 2018 3:29 pm
  • Pete has three key team rules.

    The three rules are: 1. Always protect the team. 2. No whining, no complaining, no excuses. 3. Be early. Those rules make sense.

    https://www.bizjournals.com/seattle/blo ... n-the.html

    RS was of the view b/c he was a star that he somehow was exempt from those rules and should be allowed to shoot off his mouth slagging the coach his syle and coaching decisions. He simply didn't stay true to he rule of always protecting the team.

    RS was fairly paid, and the team was kind enought to cut him early so he could finfd another situation. He needs to simply zip it, but of course we all know he can't do that so we get the "poor me I didn't want to leave" nonsense when he knew rules 1 and 2 were incapable of being complied with by him and he wouldn't. He's a great player but no single player is bigger than the team. His release was necessary to straighten out the cap mess created by going for it last season. All in all while we will miss him and his 'tude the team may be stronger as team without him. JMO.

    I suspect that Pn'J had had their fill of RS and his kvetching. However, I agree that Pete messed up not axing both Bevell and Cable after after XLIX but they are gone now and so are/will the mouthpieces unprepared to toe the line and protect the team. veteran entitlement is something we will see reduced going forward as the team needs to be given priority over the individuals comprising the team. That said RS has a few valid points but comes off sounding a tad salty and butt hurt.

    Make no mistake I love the player and thought what he brought to the team until after XLIX was extraordinary and special.
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