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Sun Sep 09, 2018 12:12 pm
  • 3 picks for Jimmy Grab-a-ho. Excellent start! :D
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Sun Sep 09, 2018 12:15 pm
  • hawknation2018 wrote:3 picks for Jimmy Grab-a-ho. Excellent start! :D

    Yup he had a rough start against a great D At home. Yup he had 3 pics his fault. Yup he had 3 dropped TD passes his fault. Yup he had his #1 WR out on injury his fault. Yup he had 2 RTackles lost to injury his fault.
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Sun Sep 09, 2018 12:17 pm
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    hawknation2018 wrote:3 picks for Jimmy Grab-a-ho. Excellent start! :D

    Yup he had a rough start against a great D At home. Yup he had 3 pics his fault. Yup he had 3 dropped TD passes his fault. Yup he had his #1 WR out on injury his fault. Yup he had 2 RTackles lost to injury his fault.

    Two RGs. The starting RT was moved to RG and a practice squad caliber player was put in at RT. Yeah, the injuries and drops did not help. But he needs to take sacks instead of throw off of his back foot so much.
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Sun Sep 09, 2018 12:17 pm
  • Biggest play of this game was the long TD that was dropped on a perfectly placed pass then the pick 6 on the play right after , 14 point swing :pukeface:
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Sun Sep 09, 2018 12:18 pm
  • 5_Golden_Rings wrote:
    rlkats wrote:
    hawknation2018 wrote:3 picks for Jimmy Grab-a-ho. Excellent start! :D

    Yup he had a rough start against a great D At home. Yup he had 3 pics his fault. Yup he had 3 dropped TD passes his fault. Yup he had his #1 WR out on injury his fault. Yup he had 2 RTackles lost to injury his fault.

    Two RGs. The starting RT was moved to RG and a practice squad caliber player was put in at RT. Yeah, the injuries and drops did not help. But he needs to take sacks instead of throw off of his back foot so much.



    Apparently you didn’t get the sarcasm
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Sun Sep 09, 2018 12:18 pm
  • Pick, pick, hurray!

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Sun Sep 09, 2018 12:19 pm
  • Garroposlow to learn it seems.
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Sun Sep 09, 2018 12:20 pm
  • 13 TDs to 10 ints. Good job they didn't pay the guy loads.
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Sun Sep 09, 2018 12:21 pm
  • 5_Golden_Rings wrote:But he needs to take sacks instead of throw off of his back foot so much.


    Nah. He needs to keep it up. :49ersmall: :snack:
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Sun Sep 09, 2018 12:22 pm
  • How did Sherman do?
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Sun Sep 09, 2018 12:24 pm
  • poly1274 wrote:How did Sherman do?

    Got burned once, thank god it was overthrown. But overall he did well.
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Sun Sep 09, 2018 12:29 pm
  • In it until the final drive against a potential Super Bowl team with the number one defense in the league at their stadium is about as good as this team could get . Lots of encouraging things on defense as well with Foster yet to come. Sherman played great as well. Come on, it’s not like we were facing the Broncos!
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Sun Sep 09, 2018 12:31 pm
  • That one pass where it was overthrown if the receiver wasn't so concerned about Shermans hand checking he may have caught it, that was Sherman getting in his head.
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Sun Sep 09, 2018 12:46 pm
  • 94Smith wrote:In it until the final drive against a potential Super Bowl team with the number one defense in the league at their stadium is about as good as this team could get . Lots of encouraging things on defense as well with Foster yet to come. Sherman played great as well. Come on, it’s not like we were facing the Broncos!

    You really weren't. You were always playing catch up. Vikings streets ahead of you.
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Sun Sep 09, 2018 12:47 pm
  • chris98251 wrote:That one pass where it was overthrown if the receiver wasn't so concerned about Shermans hand checking he may have caught it, that was Sherman getting in his head.



    That’s true.
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Sun Sep 09, 2018 12:53 pm
  • rlkats wrote:
    poly1274 wrote:How did Sherman do?

    Got burned once, thank god it was overthrown. But overall he did well.

    The pass wasn't over thrown. His press disrupted the timing, then he got burned. So... he did half his job and that's why it was incomplete.
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Sun Sep 09, 2018 12:55 pm
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    94Smith wrote:In it until the final drive against a potential Super Bowl team with the number one defense in the league at their stadium is about as good as this team could get . Lots of encouraging things on defense as well with Foster yet to come. Sherman played great as well. Come on, it’s not like we were facing the Broncos!

    You really weren't. You were always playing catch up. Vikings streets ahead of you.

    Because of... drops, fumbles, injured linemen, injured best WR, and INTs.

    YEah, the 49ers handed the game to them and still only lost by a touchdown. That arrow is pointing up.
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Sun Sep 09, 2018 12:57 pm
  • UK_Seahawk wrote:
    94Smith wrote:In it until the final drive against a potential Super Bowl team with the number one defense in the league at their stadium is about as good as this team could get . Lots of encouraging things on defense as well with Foster yet to come. Sherman played great as well. Come on, it’s not like we were facing the Broncos!

    You really weren't. You were always playing catch up. Vikings streets ahead of you.

    The game watched through hawk colored glasses. Yes we were in the game. We were behind because of stupid int’s, dropped TD’s, a pick 6 and a fumble on the 1. That’s a 28 point swing. The Vikings won by 8, that ironically the pick 6. So yes we were in the game and should have won a game zero people gave us a chance to win.
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Sun Sep 09, 2018 1:01 pm
  • Doesn't matter what happened though L is a L and Jimmy g threw 3 ints
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Sun Sep 09, 2018 1:04 pm
  • SF49r wrote:Doesn't matter what happened though L is a L and Jimmy g threw 3 ints

    If you thought he wouldn't have ups and downs in his 8th start against the best defense in the NFL, I have a bridge to sell you. Some of the things he did were elite, like that scramble and touchdown to Pettis. This year is a learning year for him. He will be much better next year.

    Not to mention when he plays a defense that doesn't literally have no weak spots.
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Sun Sep 09, 2018 1:12 pm
  • 5_Golden_Rings wrote:
    SF49r wrote:Doesn't matter what happened though L is a L and Jimmy g threw 3 ints

    If you thought he wouldn't have ups and downs in his 8th start against the best defense in the NFL, I have a bridge to sell you. Some of the things he did were elite, like that scramble and touchdown to Pettis. This year is a learning year for him. He will be much better next year.

    Not to mention when he plays a defense that doesn't literally have no weak spots.

    Definitely would have looked alot better if his receivers didn't let him down but I see some positives from this game and it brought us down to earth
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Sun Sep 09, 2018 1:16 pm
  • rlkats wrote:
    5_Golden_Rings wrote:
    rlkats wrote:
    hawknation2018 wrote:3 picks for Jimmy Grab-a-ho. Excellent start! :D

    Yup he had a rough start against a great D At home. Yup he had 3 pics his fault. Yup he had 3 dropped TD passes his fault. Yup he had his #1 WR out on injury his fault. Yup he had 2 RTackles lost to injury his fault.

    Two RGs. The starting RT was moved to RG and a practice squad caliber player was put in at RT. Yeah, the injuries and drops did not help. But he needs to take sacks instead of throw off of his back foot so much.



    Apparently you didn’t get the sarcasm


    Right rl? obviously only one of the guard injuries was his fault.

    J/K.

    I thought the 9er's looked impressive. Much better than I expected them to. Garapolo looks legit. Defense looked very good also.
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Sun Sep 09, 2018 1:30 pm
  • RichNhansom wrote:
    rlkats wrote:
    5_Golden_Rings wrote:
    rlkats wrote:Yup he had a rough start against a great D At home. Yup he had 3 pics his fault. Yup he had 3 dropped TD passes his fault. Yup he had his #1 WR out on injury his fault. Yup he had 2 RTackles lost to injury his fault.

    Two RGs. The starting RT was moved to RG and a practice squad caliber player was put in at RT. Yeah, the injuries and drops did not help. But he needs to take sacks instead of throw off of his back foot so much.



    Apparently you didn’t get the sarcasm


    Right rl? obviously only one of the guard injuries was his fault.

    J/K.

    I thought the 9er's looked impressive. Much better than I expected them to. Garapolo looks legit. Defense looked very good also.



    Haha ya the D did better than expected but the offense shat the bed
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Sun Sep 09, 2018 2:43 pm
  • RichNhansom wrote:
    rlkats wrote:
    5_Golden_Rings wrote:
    rlkats wrote:Yup he had a rough start against a great D At home. Yup he had 3 pics his fault. Yup he had 3 dropped TD passes his fault. Yup he had his #1 WR out on injury his fault. Yup he had 2 RTackles lost to injury his fault.

    Two RGs. The starting RT was moved to RG and a practice squad caliber player was put in at RT. Yeah, the injuries and drops did not help. But he needs to take sacks instead of throw off of his back foot so much.



    Apparently you didn’t get the sarcasm


    Right rl? obviously only one of the guard injuries was his fault.

    J/K.

    I thought the 9er's looked impressive. Much better than I expected them to. Garapolo looks legit. Defense looked very good also.

    The 49ers defense looks like a quality defense, but Garoppolo has to become more consistent. Being able to make miracle plays like his Russell Wilson impersonation to Pettis is great, but without consistency he won't be better than average (still much better than any 49ers QB in years, though).

    Brett Favre is someone who started out similarly, making great plays but also really stupid ones, until Mike Holmgren tempered him.

    But Garoppolo only has 8 starts. He has a LOT to learn still, and he really needs to spend an off season fixing his fundamentals to improve his consistency when it comes to accuracy. I wouldn't judge his true ability until one or two years from now.
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Sun Sep 09, 2018 4:03 pm
  • 5_Golden_Rings wrote:
    RichNhansom wrote:
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    5_Golden_Rings wrote:Two RGs. The starting RT was moved to RG and a practice squad caliber player was put in at RT. Yeah, the injuries and drops did not help. But he needs to take sacks instead of throw off of his back foot so much.



    Apparently you didn’t get the sarcasm


    Right rl? obviously only one of the guard injuries was his fault.

    J/K.

    I thought the 9er's looked impressive. Much better than I expected them to. Garapolo looks legit. Defense looked very good also.

    The 49ers defense looks like a quality defense, but Garoppolo has to become more consistent. Being able to make miracle plays like his Russell Wilson impersonation to Pettis is great, but without consistency he won't be better than average (still much better than any 49ers QB in years, though).

    Brett Favre is someone who started out similarly, making great plays but also really stupid ones, until Mike Holmgren tempered him.

    But Garoppolo only has 8 starts. He has a LOT to learn still, and he really needs to spend an off season fixing his fundamentals to improve his consistency when it comes to accuracy. I wouldn't judge his true ability until one or two years from now.

    Funny, that's what everybody else was doing all off season. I do agree with you that the arrow is pointing up. They didn't get slammed. They had a lot of things work against them. They shouldn't have too rough a year. It should actually be promising for their fans.
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Sun Sep 09, 2018 4:27 pm
  • For the record, Kendrick Bourne actually admitted to running the wrong route on the pick six. So that's one interception that was NOT Jimmy G's fault. Now add back those three dropped touchdown passes and the conversation is a lot different.
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Sun Sep 09, 2018 4:28 pm
  • MD5eahawks wrote:
    5_Golden_Rings wrote:
    RichNhansom wrote:
    rlkats wrote:

    Apparently you didn’t get the sarcasm


    Right rl? obviously only one of the guard injuries was his fault.

    J/K.

    I thought the 9er's looked impressive. Much better than I expected them to. Garapolo looks legit. Defense looked very good also.

    The 49ers defense looks like a quality defense, but Garoppolo has to become more consistent. Being able to make miracle plays like his Russell Wilson impersonation to Pettis is great, but without consistency he won't be better than average (still much better than any 49ers QB in years, though).

    Brett Favre is someone who started out similarly, making great plays but also really stupid ones, until Mike Holmgren tempered him.

    But Garoppolo only has 8 starts. He has a LOT to learn still, and he really needs to spend an off season fixing his fundamentals to improve his consistency when it comes to accuracy. I wouldn't judge his true ability until one or two years from now.

    Funny, that's what everybody else was doing all off season. I do agree with you that the arrow is pointing up. They didn't get slammed. They had a lot of things work against them. They shouldn't have too rough a year. It should actually be promising for their fans.

    I should have worded that differently. His PHYSICAL ability was easy to judge last year. What is not easy to judge is if he'll be able to make the mental adjustments to deal with what defenses do to him.


    However, when you play great defenses, most QBs struggle, and as I pointed out above, Kendrick Bourne actually admitted to running the wrong route on the pick six, so take that one off of Jimmy G's plate.
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Sun Sep 09, 2018 7:00 pm
  • Going back to last off-season and up until today’s game of good chunck of the denialzone was fitting JimmyGQ for his HOF Gold jacket. After watching that game today, while seeing that there is potential there..... his “fatal flaws” showed today.
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Sun Sep 09, 2018 7:59 pm
  • Sports Hernia wrote:Going back to last off-season and up until today’s game of good chunck of the denialzone was fitting JimmyGQ for his HOF Gold jacket. After watching that game today, while seeing that there is potential there..... his “fatal flaws” showed today.
    10 picks in what 7 games as a niner?



    Just to keep ya accurate pal lol.

    Total regular season games = 6 (2017 and 2018)

    Yards - 1821
    Average yards/game - 303
    Tds - 9 (1 rushing TD included)
    Int - 8

    But in all seriousness. He is still a newb QB and is going to try and do to much. He needs to learn to protect the ball then he will be fine.
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Sun Sep 09, 2018 8:48 pm
  • Man , we Seattle lost too so we have our own problems to worry about than making fun at other team.
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Sun Sep 09, 2018 11:26 pm
  • rlkats wrote:
    Sports Hernia wrote:Going back to last off-season and up until today’s game of good chunck of the denialzone was fitting JimmyGQ for his HOF Gold jacket. After watching that game today, while seeing that there is potential there..... his “fatal flaws” showed today.
    10 picks in what 7 games as a niner?



    Just to keep ya accurate pal lol.

    Total regular season games = 6 (2017 and 2018)

    Yards - 1821
    Average yards/game - 303
    Tds - 9 (1 rushing TD included)
    Int - 8

    But in all seriousness. He is still a newb QB and is going to try and do to much. He needs to learn to protect the ball then he will be fine.

    My bad got the TD’s and INT numbers mixed up.
    No doubt, just taking a shot at the denailzoners that are putting the cart in front of the horse.
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Sun Sep 09, 2018 11:27 pm
  • Aw Mang wrote:Man , we Seattle lost too so we have our own problems to worry about than making fun at other team.

    It’s the Niners, they exist to be made fun of! 8)

    Lighten up Francis! :2thumbs:
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Mon Sep 10, 2018 1:11 am
  • rlkats wrote:
    Sports Hernia wrote:Going back to last off-season and up until today’s game of good chunck of the denialzone was fitting JimmyGQ for his HOF Gold jacket. After watching that game today, while seeing that there is potential there..... his “fatal flaws” showed today.
    10 picks in what 7 games as a niner?



    Just to keep ya accurate pal lol.

    Total regular season games = 6 (2017 and 2018)

    Yards - 1821
    Average yards/game - 303
    Tds - 9 (1 rushing TD included)
    Int - 8

    But in all seriousness. He is still a newb QB and is going to try and do to much. He needs to learn to protect the ball then he will be fine.


    I see that JG has thrown 5 TD to 0 INT in 3 seasons with the Patriots (as a backup, to those who are questioning the really low production there :2thumbs: ), and then goes to a team with inferior talent and a much more complicated scheme (and no knowledge of it) and proceeds to throw 8 INTs in 6 games. Interesting, isn't it?

    BTW, if I criticize Wilson for multiple INT games, the generic reply I often hear from Hawk fans "all I care about is that he wins games".....or blame the OL for everything.......do we have a good answer for 9 INTs against the Packers over the 2014 NFCC and 2016 regular season matchup?

    So yeah, the goalposts move all the time in the debate....whatever it is to suit your side.

    It's not very hard to do, but what IS hard to do is be consistent in criticism of Garoppolo (or any other Niner player) and applying the same lens to your own players. If only Wilson and others were criticized objectively, I'd have zero issues with Hawk fans criticizing JG. None.

    Hell, 49ers fans are the hardest fans of ALL TIME on their own QBs. We don't need help criticizing our own guy (Steve f'n Young once upon a time, SMH), but just like the rule with family, only WE can talk s*** about our own. :mrgreen:

    Cousins had the "better game" by the stats count, yet if you looked at his opportunities and effectiveness of his supporting cast you could say he easily underachieved while Jimmy could be said to have at least achieved the minimum, or greater given the struggles.

    If the roles were swapped, I imagine a huge Vikings blow out.
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Mon Sep 10, 2018 3:36 am
  • Sports Hernia wrote:
    rlkats wrote:
    Sports Hernia wrote:Going back to last off-season and up until today’s game of good chunck of the denialzone was fitting JimmyGQ for his HOF Gold jacket. After watching that game today, while seeing that there is potential there..... his “fatal flaws” showed today.
    10 picks in what 7 games as a niner?



    Just to keep ya accurate pal lol.

    Total regular season games = 6 (2017 and 2018)

    Yards - 1821
    Average yards/game - 303
    Tds - 9 (1 rushing TD included)
    Int - 8

    But in all seriousness. He is still a newb QB and is going to try and do to much. He needs to learn to protect the ball then he will be fine.

    My bad got the TD’s and INT numbers mixed up.
    No doubt, just taking a shot at the denailzoners that are putting the cart in front of the horse.




    Just had to poke ya. All in fun.
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Mon Sep 10, 2018 3:38 am
  • NINEster wrote:
    rlkats wrote:
    Sports Hernia wrote:Going back to last off-season and up until today’s game of good chunck of the denialzone was fitting JimmyGQ for his HOF Gold jacket. After watching that game today, while seeing that there is potential there..... his “fatal flaws” showed today.
    10 picks in what 7 games as a niner?



    Just to keep ya accurate pal lol.

    Total regular season games = 6 (2017 and 2018)

    Yards - 1821
    Average yards/game - 303
    Tds - 9 (1 rushing TD included)
    Int - 8

    But in all seriousness. He is still a newb QB and is going to try and do to much. He needs to learn to protect the ball then he will be fine.


    I see that JG has thrown 5 TD to 0 INT in 3 seasons with the Patriots (as a backup, to those who are questioning the really low production there :2thumbs: ), and then goes to a team with inferior talent and a much more complicated scheme (and no knowledge of it) and proceeds to throw 8 INTs in 6 games. Interesting, isn't it?

    BTW, if I criticize Wilson for multiple INT games, the generic reply I often hear from Hawk fans "all I care about is that he wins games".....or blame the OL for everything.......do we have a good answer for 9 INTs against the Packers over the 2014 NFCC and 2016 regular season matchup?

    So yeah, the goalposts move all the time in the debate....whatever it is to suit your side.

    It's not very hard to do, but what IS hard to do is be consistent in criticism of Garoppolo (or any other Niner player) and applying the same lens to your own players. If only Wilson and others were criticized objectively, I'd have zero issues with Hawk fans criticizing JG. None.

    Hell, 49ers fans are the hardest fans of ALL TIME on their own QBs. We don't need help criticizing our own guy (Steve f'n Young once upon a time, SMH), but just like the rule with family, only WE can talk s*** about our own. :mrgreen:

    Cousins had the "better game" by the stats count, yet if you looked at his opportunities and effectiveness of his supporting cast you could say he easily underachieved while Jimmy could be said to have at least achieved the minimum, or greater given the struggles.

    If the roles were swapped, I imagine a huge Vikings blow out.




    I was only counting the Niners games.
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Mon Sep 10, 2018 4:25 am
  • Funny how when he plays in a game that counts, he looks like that. Amazingly over-hyped. Meh
    Just like Goff, I'll believe they are great QB's when they actually do something in the playoffs.
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Mon Sep 10, 2018 4:47 am
  • Don't think many 9ers fans were expecting them to beat the Vikings (I certainly wasn't).

    This was the game with the lowest win probability on their schedule. TBH I didn't think it would be this close.

    I think there's things for 9ers fans to be concerned about, and things for them to be excited about.

    CONCERNED:

    *RG: Person was bad before he got knocked out, and then Garnett was bad before he got knocked out. They're now out of RGs.

    *Tartt: Gave up some plays and missed some easy tackles.

    *Thomas: Totally invisible in this game, except for jumping off sides when everyone knew the Vikes were trying to draw them offsides. It was Michael Bennett-esque.

    *RB involvement in the pass game: Shanny wants that, that's why McKinnon was brought in and overpaid, and the lack of involvement for Breida and Morris in the pass game is what everyone was fearing when McKinnon went down.

    EXCITED:

    *Buckner: His hits and hurries projected to him getting more sacks this year, and he got 2.5 in the first game.

    *Fred Warner: Huge, huge, huge game for the rookie. He'll end up being streaky, but after 1 week, when Foster comes back I think there's the *chance* for a great duo a la Willis and Bowman, except for the way the game has changed (they're both great in coverage, and not the old school thumpers that the league has moved away from).

    *Outside CBs: Witherspoon gave up a TD, but the other guys get paid too, and that as a PERFECT pass by Cousins and a great use of non OPI contact by Diggs. On the other side Sherman gave up one pass, and was beat deap on another that missed. For his first game back, that's a major, major win.

    * Run defense: Overall held the Vikings to 3.6 YPC. Really the whole defense played better than I expected (gave up 360 yards and 17 points to what I think might be the offense with the best collection of weapons in the NFL).


    GAROPPOLO: He played far from a perfect game, but internally I think he'll grade out much better than his stat line shows.

    Two Positives: All the things that were great about him last year were on display, and against one of the best defenses in the NFL. This preseason and in this game I'm also less concerned about the deep ball than people were after last year.

    Two Negatives: Still a half a beat slow on getting some balls out. I hope that gets cleaned up as he has more experience in the system (people forget how little he has played). Like last year, in this game he still trusts his arm too much, and makes some headscratcher throws. It's not as bad or as frequent as Jameis Winston, but it's still something to keep track of.
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Mon Sep 10, 2018 4:54 am
  • Richard Sherman played great! He play 71 of a possible 71 plays. Never came out. Wow I was so impressed. Barely a preseason or training camp. What a baller
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Re: 0-9ers
Mon Sep 10, 2018 5:51 am
  • Popeyejones wrote:Don't think many 9ers fans were expecting them to beat the Vikings (I certainly wasn't).

    This was the game with the lowest win probability on their schedule. TBH I didn't think it would be this close.

    I think there's things for 9ers fans to be concerned about, and things for them to be excited about.

    CONCERNED:

    *RG: Person was bad before he got knocked out, and then Garnett was bad before he got knocked out. They're now out of RGs.

    *Tartt: Gave up some plays and missed some easy tackles.

    *Thomas: Totally invisible in this game, except for jumping off sides when everyone knew the Vikes were trying to draw them offsides. It was Michael Bennett-esque.

    *RB involvement in the pass game: Shanny wants that, that's why McKinnon was brought in and overpaid, and the lack of involvement for Breida and Morris in the pass game is what everyone was fearing when McKinnon went down.

    EXCITED:

    *Buckner: His hits and hurries projected to him getting more sacks this year, and he got 2.5 in the first game.

    *Fred Warner: Huge, huge, huge game for the rookie. He'll end up being streaky, but after 1 week, when Foster comes back I think there's the *chance* for a great duo a la Willis and Bowman, except for the way the game has changed (they're both great in coverage, and not the old school thumpers that the league has moved away from).

    *Outside CBs: Witherspoon gave up a TD, but the other guys get paid too, and that as a PERFECT pass by Cousins and a great use of non OPI contact by Diggs. On the other side Sherman gave up one pass, and was beat deap on another that missed. For his first game back, that's a major, major win.

    * Run defense: Overall held the Vikings to 3.6 YPC. Really the whole defense played better than I expected (gave up 360 yards and 17 points to what I think might be the offense with the best collection of weapons in the NFL).


    GAROPPOLO: He played far from a perfect game, but internally I think he'll grade out much better than his stat line shows.

    Two Positives: All the things that were great about him last year were on display, and against one of the best defenses in the NFL. This preseason and in this game I'm also less concerned about the deep ball than people were after last year.

    Two Negatives: Still a half a beat slow on getting some balls out. I hope that gets cleaned up as he has more experience in the system (people forget how little he has played). Like last year, in this game he still trusts his arm too much, and makes some headscratcher throws. It's not as bad or as frequent as Jameis Winston, but it's still something to keep track of.





    Nice evaluation and I agree. This Jimmy guy is going to have his bad games, he is still a rookie in terms of playing time. He still has a ton to prove, I feel he is able to.
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Re: 0-9ers
Mon Sep 10, 2018 8:12 am
  • ^^^ Yep. Totally remains to be seen if he'll improve in these areas or not.

    I think fans make a mistake in assuming that players always improve. Oftentimes they don't, and then fans end up disappointed.

    Wilson, I think, is a good example. Even yesterday you could see all the things that he has done very well since his first year or two in the league, and all of the things that he has struggled with throughout his whole career too. Hawks fans are disappointed in his play yesterday not because he's any worse of a QB than he has every been, but because NFL fans have this implicit assumption that over time everyone they root for will improve, and that's just often not the case. It obviously happens sometimes, but a lot of times it doesn't.*

    All to say that right now I think Garoppolo is an above average NFL QB. Throughout his whole career he could very well just be a guy who throws too many picks and has inaccurate ball placement from throwing off his back foot too much. If 9ers fans run around assuming that's not where he'll end up they could very well end up disappointed.


    *TBF this is also compounded by Wilson being a very high variance player. Every player has variance across games, but rarely do you see a good QB with as many highs as high as Wilson, and as many lows as low as Wilson. Someone like Ryan Fitzpatrick is kind of like a D-List Russell Wilson (meaning he's also very high variance --as we just saw again-- but with a much more sucky baseline).
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Re: 0-9ers
Mon Sep 10, 2018 8:20 am
  • NINEster wrote:
    rlkats wrote:
    Sports Hernia wrote:Going back to last off-season and up until today’s game of good chunck of the denialzone was fitting JimmyGQ for his HOF Gold jacket. After watching that game today, while seeing that there is potential there..... his “fatal flaws” showed today.
    10 picks in what 7 games as a niner?



    Just to keep ya accurate pal lol.

    Total regular season games = 6 (2017 and 2018)

    Yards - 1821
    Average yards/game - 303
    Tds - 9 (1 rushing TD included)
    Int - 8

    But in all seriousness. He is still a newb QB and is going to try and do to much. He needs to learn to protect the ball then he will be fine.


    I see that JG has thrown 5 TD to 0 INT in 3 seasons with the Patriots (as a backup, to those who are questioning the really low production there :2thumbs: ), and then goes to a team with inferior talent and a much more complicated scheme (and no knowledge of it) and proceeds to throw 8 INTs in 6 games. Interesting, isn't it?

    BTW, if I criticize Wilson for multiple INT games, the generic reply I often hear from Hawk fans "all I care about is that he wins games".....or blame the OL for everything.......do we have a good answer for 9 INTs against the Packers over the 2014 NFCC and 2016 regular season matchup?

    So yeah, the goalposts move all the time in the debate....whatever it is to suit your side.

    It's not very hard to do, but what IS hard to do is be consistent in criticism of Garoppolo (or any other Niner player) and applying the same lens to your own players. If only Wilson and others were criticized objectively, I'd have zero issues with Hawk fans criticizing JG. None.

    Hell, 49ers fans are the hardest fans of ALL TIME on their own QBs. We don't need help criticizing our own guy (Steve f'n Young once upon a time, SMH), but just like the rule with family, only WE can talk s*** about our own. :mrgreen:

    Cousins had the "better game" by the stats count, yet if you looked at his opportunities and effectiveness of his supporting cast you could say he easily underachieved while Jimmy could be said to have at least achieved the minimum, or greater given the struggles.

    If the roles were swapped, I imagine a huge Vikings blow out.

    TLDR, I’m sure it was a cool story though bro.
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Re: 0-9ers
Mon Sep 10, 2018 10:17 am
  • poly1274 wrote:
    rlkats wrote:
    poly1274 wrote:How did Sherman do?

    Got burned once, thank god it was overthrown. But overall he did well.



    Googled his name and saw

    https://www.12up.com/posts/6166522-vide ... ly-foolish



    Yeah he lost a step or 2.



    That was actually the only reception he allowed in the entire game. The over throw someone referenced before wqas overthrown because he forced Diggs to stop completely and start running again on the route and screwed up the timing. He also had a really good pass breakup against Diggs. All in all everyone is looking for those "he lost a step" moments and he'll have some coming off that injury, but on the whole he played pretty damn well.
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Re: 0-9ers
Mon Sep 10, 2018 10:26 am
  • As for Jimmy...

    1) There were at least two drops in the endzone and they also fumbled on a run play at the one. It was first down so they would have had more chances. Another LONTG pass to the TE was dropped that he MIGHT have scored on but more likely just would have been a 60+ yard gain.

    2) First INT (pick 6) was a hot read on a blitz and WR admitted after the game that he ran the completely wrong route. He was supposed to cut inside and instead cut outside and then to compound the mistake he fell down. Pick 6 city. The second one was odd...it was almost like Pettis took an extra false step outside so was late cutting back inside and screwed up the timing...still put that one on Jimmy tho. That was just odd. Thirs was ALL Jimmy. Trying to make something happen and thew into Double coverage. No idea what he thought he saw.

    3) Between the drops, route miscues, etc, he could very easily have had 300+ yards and 3 TDs vs the #1 D in the NFL last year. That DIDN'T happen so not saying that what should count, but just saying the stat line really isn't indicative of the way the game was played. Despite a fumble at the one and 3 INTs, the Niners were still in it with just a few plays left in the game against a 13-3 team last year and only lost by 8.

    I'll take that.

    They also lost BOTH RGs, Marqise Goodwin, and Malcolm Smith and Reuben Foster didn't play. Fred Warner played VERY well and DeForest Buckner had 2.5 sacks.

    Tons of mistakes, but I was actually encouraged by most of the performance as I never really expected them to go into Minn and take that game anyway.
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