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Sun Sep 16, 2018 11:25 am
  • Looks like the next big time QB, NFL is in good hands with Watson and Mahomes.
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Sun Sep 16, 2018 11:45 am
  • 6TDs is pretty insane! Lots of credit to Reid (and receivers) as well, dudes are running wide open consistently.
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Re: Pat Mahomes
Sun Sep 16, 2018 12:59 pm
  • 10 TD's is a record for first two games to start an NFL season. Kid is going to be the face of the league for a long time.
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Sun Sep 16, 2018 1:04 pm
  • LOL Watson?? He’s garbage
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Sun Sep 16, 2018 2:42 pm
  • Just remembered we play the Chiefs in December this year. Could get ugly, lol.
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Re: Pat Mahomes
Sun Sep 16, 2018 3:58 pm
  • I thought he was overhyped and that KC reached for him in the draft, boy was I wrong. He looks pretty impressive.
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Re: Pat Mahomes
Sun Sep 16, 2018 4:18 pm
  • That scheme and skill position talent is unreal. Mahomes seems to fit perfectly. So far he's rookie Watson without the picks. I don't think he is as great as his stats look, but he's impressive for basically a rook.
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Sun Sep 16, 2018 4:40 pm
  • Lets see if they get over the freshman slump or when people figure him out...They said the same thing for Watson before the injury and right now he looks really bad.

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Re: Pat Mahomes
Sun Sep 16, 2018 5:03 pm
  • Hawk-Lock wrote:Looks like the next big time QB, NFL is in good hands with Watson and Mahomes.

    I called it from his senior year in college on the 49ers board (Before I got banned due to Nikkina's overly sensitive ass over a questionable Patrick Willis ESPN Bodies picture showcasing a heroically sized schlong blocked out by censor text). Got laughed at by supposed QB gurus and high school and college coaches for saying how good he could be.

    All the things I pointed out that transferred to the NFL, like arm strength, accuracy, anticipatory throwing, navigating a pocket, looking off defenders, throwing accurately from awkward angles, throwing accurately from a congested pocket, all these things he showed in college, and they dismissed it because of the scheme he ran. I tried to explain how he didn't often stick to the scheme in the first place, and that he consistently made elite NFL level throws, and yet, they claimed he'd be a bust.

    I wanted him at number 2 overall when the 49ers traded down to get Thomas. I'd trade any QB in the NFL right now for him. Any. Because the best ones are going to retire in three or four years, and he is going to surpass every single QB under 30 right now. All of them.


    He is a Brett Favre clone and is going to win at least one MVP. Probably multiple. Feels good to say I told you so.


    And NO defenses won't "figure him out." You can't figure out a rocket launcher arm combined with natural pocket comfort and a natural sense of timing. You can just try to confuse him. But with a coach like Reid, good luck with that working more than a game or two.
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Sun Sep 16, 2018 5:08 pm
  • 5_Golden_Rings wrote:
    Hawk-Lock wrote:Looks like the next big time QB, NFL is in good hands with Watson and Mahomes.

    I called it from his senior year in college on the 49ers board (Before I got banned due to Nikkina's overly sensitive ass over a questionable Patrick Willis ESPN Bodies picture showcasing a heroically sized schlong blocked out by censor text). Got laughed at by supposed QB gurus and high school and college coaches for saying how good he could be.

    All the things I pointed out that transferred to the NFL, like arm strength, accuracy, anticipatory throwing, navigating a pocket, looking off defenders, throwing accurately from awkward angles, throwing accurately from a congested pocket, all these things he showed in college, and they dismissed it because of the scheme he ran. I tried to explain how he didn't often stick to the scheme in the first place, and that he consistently made elite NFL level throws, and yet, they claimed he'd be a bust.

    I wanted him at number 2 overall when the 49ers traded down to get Thomas. I'd trade any QB in the NFL right now for him. Any. Because the best ones are going to retire in three or four years, and he is going to surpass every single QB under 30 right now. All of them.


    He is a Brett Favre clone and is going to win at least one MVP. Probably multiple. Feels good to say I told you so.


    And NO defenses won't "figure him out." You can't figure out a rocket launcher arm combined with natural pocket comfort and a natural sense of timing. You can just try to confuse him. But with a coach like Reid, good luck with that working more than a game or two.



    With a coach like Reid, expect this all to be for naught because he bungles it in the playoffs with some egregious clock management and turtling up.
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Re: Pat Mahomes
Sun Sep 16, 2018 5:11 pm
  • Ried made McNabb look good also, lets see his body of work before we call him the second coming of Brett Farve.
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Sun Sep 16, 2018 5:16 pm
  • chris98251 wrote:Ried made McNabb look good also, lets see his body of work before we call him the second coming of Brett Farve.

    His body of work in college was off the charts. His body of work in the NFL so far is off the charts. His physical ability is unquestionably Hall of Fame level elite, and not in the sense of Jaws claiming Kaepernick was; in the sense of John Elway coming out of college.

    If you are afraid to admit that at least the raw talent is astronomical WITHOUT any caveats (unlike Kaepernick, who always had a slow release and was never a comfortable pocket passer), you're too conservative.

    Then add his family background, with TWO big time professional athletes in his life to guide him from childhood, and you know he has the character make up to be great as well, and really, I'd bet my children's lives that within a couple years he's going to be elite for years to come- if he isn't already.

    Only weakness he has is aggressiveness. Just wait. This dude is going to be the best QB in the league as soon as Brady, Rodgers and Brees retire.
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Sun Sep 16, 2018 5:22 pm
  • 5_Golden_Rings wrote:
    chris98251 wrote:Ried made McNabb look good also, lets see his body of work before we call him the second coming of Brett Farve.

    His body of work in college was off the charts. His body of work in the NFL so far is off the charts. His physical ability is unquestionably Hall of Fame level elite, and not in the sense of Jaws claiming Kaepernick was; in the sense of John Elway coming out of college.

    If you are afraid to admit that at least the raw talent is astronomical WITHOUT any caveats (unlike Kaepernick, who always had a slow release and was never a comfortable pocket passer), you're too conservative.

    Then add his family background, with TWO big time professional athletes in his life to guide him from childhood, and you know he has the character make up to be great as well, and really, I'd bet my children's lives that within a couple years he's going to be elite for years to come- if he isn't already.

    Only weakness he has is aggressiveness. Just wait. This dude is going to be the best QB in the league as soon as Brady, Rodgers and Brees retire.


    Most first round picks at QB are off the Charts in College, it's why they are first round picks, even some that have off the charts body of works in college fall into later rounds, guys like Montana and Wilson, you should know that.
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Sun Sep 16, 2018 5:38 pm
  • And we tried to trade up to get him...guessing russ would of been elsewhere if that happened
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Sun Sep 16, 2018 9:47 pm
  • chris98251 wrote:
    5_Golden_Rings wrote:
    chris98251 wrote:Ried made McNabb look good also, lets see his body of work before we call him the second coming of Brett Farve.

    His body of work in college was off the charts. His body of work in the NFL so far is off the charts. His physical ability is unquestionably Hall of Fame level elite, and not in the sense of Jaws claiming Kaepernick was; in the sense of John Elway coming out of college.

    If you are afraid to admit that at least the raw talent is astronomical WITHOUT any caveats (unlike Kaepernick, who always had a slow release and was never a comfortable pocket passer), you're too conservative.

    Then add his family background, with TWO big time professional athletes in his life to guide him from childhood, and you know he has the character make up to be great as well, and really, I'd bet my children's lives that within a couple years he's going to be elite for years to come- if he isn't already.

    Only weakness he has is aggressiveness. Just wait. This dude is going to be the best QB in the league as soon as Brady, Rodgers and Brees retire.


    Most first round picks at QB are off the Charts in College, it's why they are first round picks, even some that have off the charts body of works in college fall into later rounds, guys like Montana and Wilson, you should know that.

    By “off the charts” I don’t mean statistically (although he was off the charts statistically). I mean in percentage of his throws that would have been difficult even for NFL qbs. I’m presuming you’ve watched his college tape? Compare itnto Watson, for example. Mahomes college tape makes Watson look pedestrian. He looked like a Favre clone in college. That’s what I meant by off the charts.

    Statistically speaking, Garoppolo was “off the charts” in college. But he will never be half the qb Mahomes can be, because Mahomes can throw a ball 80 yards from his knees, AND he can throw it sixty while in a congested pocket under duress and have it still hit the target in stride.


    I’m tellig you, man. He’s the next great one, and he’s just getting started.
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Sun Sep 16, 2018 10:30 pm
  • I've been debating whether the scorn heaped upon Alex Smith was justified or mostly a product of Reid's conservative playcalling. It seems that Smith really does just suck.
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Re: Pat Mahomes
Mon Sep 17, 2018 12:04 am
  • God, I would take Mahomes or Watson any day over Wilson.
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Mon Sep 17, 2018 12:14 am
  • Cyrus12 wrote:And we tried to trade up to get him...guessing russ would of been elsewhere if that happened


    We did, don't remember. Any evidence of that?
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Mon Sep 17, 2018 12:44 am
  • vigilantgrrl wrote:God, I would take Mahomes or Watson any day over Wilson.



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Re: Pat Mahomes
Mon Sep 17, 2018 1:49 am
  • 5_Golden_Rings wrote:
    chris98251 wrote:
    5_Golden_Rings wrote:
    chris98251 wrote:Ried made McNabb look good also, lets see his body of work before we call him the second coming of Brett Farve.

    His body of work in college was off the charts. His body of work in the NFL so far is off the charts. His physical ability is unquestionably Hall of Fame level elite, and not in the sense of Jaws claiming Kaepernick was; in the sense of John Elway coming out of college.

    If you are afraid to admit that at least the raw talent is astronomical WITHOUT any caveats (unlike Kaepernick, who always had a slow release and was never a comfortable pocket passer), you're too conservative.

    Then add his family background, with TWO big time professional athletes in his life to guide him from childhood, and you know he has the character make up to be great as well, and really, I'd bet my children's lives that within a couple years he's going to be elite for years to come- if he isn't already.

    Only weakness he has is aggressiveness. Just wait. This dude is going to be the best QB in the league as soon as Brady, Rodgers and Brees retire.


    Most first round picks at QB are off the Charts in College, it's why they are first round picks, even some that have off the charts body of works in college fall into later rounds, guys like Montana and Wilson, you should know that.

    By “off the charts” I don’t mean statistically (although he was off the charts statistically). I mean in percentage of his throws that would have been difficult even for NFL qbs. I’m presuming you’ve watched his college tape? Compare itnto Watson, for example. Mahomes college tape makes Watson look pedestrian. He looked like a Favre clone in college. That’s what I meant by off the charts.

    Statistically speaking, Garoppolo was “off the charts” in college. But he will never be half the qb Mahomes can be, because Mahomes can throw a ball 80 yards from his knees, AND he can throw it sixty while in a congested pocket under duress and have it still hit the target in stride.

    I’m tellig you, man. He’s the next great one, and he’s just getting started.



    My god, don't think Chiefs fans would make such claims, and he's THEIR GUY!

    Let's let it play out a bit before declaring Mahomes the new GOAT QB 15 years in advance.
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Mon Sep 17, 2018 5:08 am
  • seahawkfreak wrote:
    Cyrus12 wrote:And we tried to trade up to get him...guessing russ would of been elsewhere if that happened


    We did, don't remember. Any evidence of that?


    http://www.espn.com/blog/seattle-seahaw ... api_public

    I also recall on draft day a story where the hawks tried to trade up to a spot where they would of been in position to get him. Would of been interesting.
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Re: Pat Mahomes
Mon Sep 17, 2018 5:20 am
  • Man, very jealous of the Chiefs offense so far this season. People are wide open almost every down. Made Alex Smith look good last year, Mahomes seems to be taking it to the next level. Teams don't have much film on him so far however he looks like the real deal, couple of the TD's were absolute rockets. Would love seeing some of the easy completion plays they have to move the chains implemented in the Hawks offense instead of the boom or bust they relish.
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Re: Pat Mahomes
Mon Sep 17, 2018 7:55 am
  • NINEster wrote:
    5_Golden_Rings wrote:
    chris98251 wrote:
    5_Golden_Rings wrote:His body of work in college was off the charts. His body of work in the NFL so far is off the charts. His physical ability is unquestionably Hall of Fame level elite, and not in the sense of Jaws claiming Kaepernick was; in the sense of John Elway coming out of college.

    If you are afraid to admit that at least the raw talent is astronomical WITHOUT any caveats (unlike Kaepernick, who always had a slow release and was never a comfortable pocket passer), you're too conservative.

    Then add his family background, with TWO big time professional athletes in his life to guide him from childhood, and you know he has the character make up to be great as well, and really, I'd bet my children's lives that within a couple years he's going to be elite for years to come- if he isn't already.

    Only weakness he has is aggressiveness. Just wait. This dude is going to be the best QB in the league as soon as Brady, Rodgers and Brees retire.


    Most first round picks at QB are off the Charts in College, it's why they are first round picks, even some that have off the charts body of works in college fall into later rounds, guys like Montana and Wilson, you should know that.

    By “off the charts” I don’t mean statistically (although he was off the charts statistically). I mean in percentage of his throws that would have been difficult even for NFL qbs. I’m presuming you’ve watched his college tape? Compare itnto Watson, for example. Mahomes college tape makes Watson look pedestrian. He looked like a Favre clone in college. That’s what I meant by off the charts.

    Statistically speaking, Garoppolo was “off the charts” in college. But he will never be half the qb Mahomes can be, because Mahomes can throw a ball 80 yards from his knees, AND he can throw it sixty while in a congested pocket under duress and have it still hit the target in stride.

    I’m tellig you, man. He’s the next great one, and he’s just getting started.



    My god, don't think Chiefs fans would make such claims, and he's THEIR GUY!

    Let's let it play out a bit before declaring Mahomes the new GOAT QB 15 years in advance.


    I followed him from college and quite frankly I've never seen a college QB with his talent. Ever. Now, my years of watching college football don't go back long enough to have seen some of the more recent NFL Hall of Fame inductions, but seriously, I've never seen anyone more talented in college with my own eyes during their college career. And yeah, he'll have a few four INT games, because he's a serious risk taker, but when he's on he's Robo QB.

    So I'm not basing this just on his 10 TDs this year. I really, really, REALLY wanted the 49ers to get him, and was really hoping he went under the radar due to the system they ran.
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Tue Sep 18, 2018 4:30 am
  • Mahomes is absolutely killing it for me on my fantasy team! :2thumbs:
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Tue Sep 18, 2018 9:32 pm
  • He's clearly the son of a god. Zeus must have borked his mom behind his dad's back. I anticipate he will emasculate the 49ers next week.
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Re: Pat Mahomes
Wed Sep 19, 2018 9:12 am
  • With that defense though I feel a 2013 Broncos ending to their season on the horizon. No fault of Mahomes, but the way that team is so offense heavy with a garbage D I can absolutely see them getting bulldozed by the Jags,Rams or Vikings this winter.
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Re: Pat Mahomes
Wed Sep 19, 2018 10:20 am
  • 5_Golden_Rings wrote:
    chris98251 wrote:
    5_Golden_Rings wrote:
    chris98251 wrote:Ried made McNabb look good also, lets see his body of work before we call him the second coming of Brett Farve.

    His body of work in college was off the charts. His body of work in the NFL so far is off the charts. His physical ability is unquestionably Hall of Fame level elite, and not in the sense of Jaws claiming Kaepernick was; in the sense of John Elway coming out of college.

    If you are afraid to admit that at least the raw talent is astronomical WITHOUT any caveats (unlike Kaepernick, who always had a slow release and was never a comfortable pocket passer), you're too conservative.

    Then add his family background, with TWO big time professional athletes in his life to guide him from childhood, and you know he has the character make up to be great as well, and really, I'd bet my children's lives that within a couple years he's going to be elite for years to come- if he isn't already.

    Only weakness he has is aggressiveness. Just wait. This dude is going to be the best QB in the league as soon as Brady, Rodgers and Brees retire.


    Most first round picks at QB are off the Charts in College, it's why they are first round picks, even some that have off the charts body of works in college fall into later rounds, guys like Montana and Wilson, you should know that.

    By “off the charts” I don’t mean statistically (although he was off the charts statistically). I mean in percentage of his throws that would have been difficult even for NFL qbs. I’m presuming you’ve watched his college tape? Compare itnto Watson, for example. Mahomes college tape makes Watson look pedestrian. He looked like a Favre clone in college. That’s what I meant by off the charts.

    Statistically speaking, Garoppolo was “off the charts” in college. But he will never be half the qb Mahomes can be, because Mahomes can throw a ball 80 yards from his knees, AND he can throw it sixty while in a congested pocket under duress and have it still hit the target in stride.


    I’m tellig you, man. He’s the next great one, and he’s just getting started.


    Woah.

    I think we need to slow down a bit. I really like Mahomes coming out of college as well and he was the guy I wanted the Niners to take, but I'm not going anywhere near as far as you did here.

    There have been ALOT of guys who could trow the ball like that. Many called them "the next great one".

    Heres the thing tho...the guys almost universally called the best ever didn't have arms anything like that. Who can he be? He can be John Elway in his prime. That would be awesome...but he's got a LONG, LONG way to go before that happens. He's also got possibly the most electric skill position players in the NFL.

    There WILL come a point this season where he runs into a buzzsaw. I hope its this week because they play the Niners but I ain't counting on it. There will come a time when he's shown as mortal...but its been a fun few weeks here to open the season for sure if you're a Chiefs fan.
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Re: Pat Mahomes
Wed Sep 19, 2018 4:12 pm
  • Marvin49 wrote:
    5_Golden_Rings wrote:
    chris98251 wrote:
    5_Golden_Rings wrote:His body of work in college was off the charts. His body of work in the NFL so far is off the charts. His physical ability is unquestionably Hall of Fame level elite, and not in the sense of Jaws claiming Kaepernick was; in the sense of John Elway coming out of college.

    If you are afraid to admit that at least the raw talent is astronomical WITHOUT any caveats (unlike Kaepernick, who always had a slow release and was never a comfortable pocket passer), you're too conservative.

    Then add his family background, with TWO big time professional athletes in his life to guide him from childhood, and you know he has the character make up to be great as well, and really, I'd bet my children's lives that within a couple years he's going to be elite for years to come- if he isn't already.

    Only weakness he has is aggressiveness. Just wait. This dude is going to be the best QB in the league as soon as Brady, Rodgers and Brees retire.


    Most first round picks at QB are off the Charts in College, it's why they are first round picks, even some that have off the charts body of works in college fall into later rounds, guys like Montana and Wilson, you should know that.

    By “off the charts” I don’t mean statistically (although he was off the charts statistically). I mean in percentage of his throws that would have been difficult even for NFL qbs. I’m presuming you’ve watched his college tape? Compare itnto Watson, for example. Mahomes college tape makes Watson look pedestrian. He looked like a Favre clone in college. That’s what I meant by off the charts.

    Statistically speaking, Garoppolo was “off the charts” in college. But he will never be half the qb Mahomes can be, because Mahomes can throw a ball 80 yards from his knees, AND he can throw it sixty while in a congested pocket under duress and have it still hit the target in stride.


    I’m tellig you, man. He’s the next great one, and he’s just getting started.


    Woah.

    I think we need to slow down a bit. I really like Mahomes coming out of college as well and he was the guy I wanted the Niners to take, but I'm not going anywhere near as far as you did here.

    There have been ALOT of guys who could trow the ball like that. Many called them "the next great one".

    Heres the thing tho...the guys almost universally called the best ever didn't have arms anything like that. Who can he be? He can be John Elway in his prime. That would be awesome...but he's got a LONG, LONG way to go before that happens. He's also got possibly the most electric skill position players in the NFL.

    There WILL come a point this season where he runs into a buzzsaw. I hope its this week because they play the Niners but I ain't counting on it. There will come a time when he's shown as mortal...but its been a fun few weeks here to open the season for sure if you're a Chiefs fan.

    That’s the thing though. He grew up around professional sports- both his father and god father were pro athletes, so he was raised with the right temperament to be great.

    Add to that the ridiculous young talent around him and the top level offensive coaching, and his insane physical talent and INSTINCTS (which are way underrated with him), and he has a yellow brick road to the Hall of Fame laid out before him. All he has to do is stay on the path.

    Easier said than done, but very doable.
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Wed Sep 19, 2018 6:14 pm
  • Threedee wrote:I've been debating whether the scorn heaped upon Alex Smith was justified or mostly a product of Reid's conservative playcalling. It seems that Smith really does just suck.


    Smith is like Bradford, Tannehill etc. a serviceable QB. If at least two other units are outstanding, you have a shot at the playoffs.
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Thu Sep 20, 2018 8:36 am
  • vigilantgrrl wrote:God, I would take Mahomes or Watson any day over Wilson.


    Watson over Wilson? I absolutely love Mahomes but that's a stretch too at this point. I do think he's going be a star but lets not discount what Wilson has done with what he's working with. He's the second highest rated passer in history in a scheme that isn't conducive to that. Wilson is really, really good even if Seattle fans have a hard time understanding that.
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Re: Pat Mahomes
Thu Sep 20, 2018 11:19 am
  • Marvin49 wrote:
    5_Golden_Rings wrote:
    chris98251 wrote:
    5_Golden_Rings wrote:His body of work in college was off the charts. His body of work in the NFL so far is off the charts. His physical ability is unquestionably Hall of Fame level elite, and not in the sense of Jaws claiming Kaepernick was; in the sense of John Elway coming out of college.

    If you are afraid to admit that at least the raw talent is astronomical WITHOUT any caveats (unlike Kaepernick, who always had a slow release and was never a comfortable pocket passer), you're too conservative.

    Then add his family background, with TWO big time professional athletes in his life to guide him from childhood, and you know he has the character make up to be great as well, and really, I'd bet my children's lives that within a couple years he's going to be elite for years to come- if he isn't already.

    Only weakness he has is aggressiveness. Just wait. This dude is going to be the best QB in the league as soon as Brady, Rodgers and Brees retire.


    Most first round picks at QB are off the Charts in College, it's why they are first round picks, even some that have off the charts body of works in college fall into later rounds, guys like Montana and Wilson, you should know that.

    By “off the charts” I don’t mean statistically (although he was off the charts statistically). I mean in percentage of his throws that would have been difficult even for NFL qbs. I’m presuming you’ve watched his college tape? Compare itnto Watson, for example. Mahomes college tape makes Watson look pedestrian. He looked like a Favre clone in college. That’s what I meant by off the charts.

    Statistically speaking, Garoppolo was “off the charts” in college. But he will never be half the qb Mahomes can be, because Mahomes can throw a ball 80 yards from his knees, AND he can throw it sixty while in a congested pocket under duress and have it still hit the target in stride.


    I’m tellig you, man. He’s the next great one, and he’s just getting started.


    Woah.

    I think we need to slow down a bit. I really like Mahomes coming out of college as well and he was the guy I wanted the Niners to take, but I'm not going anywhere near as far as you did here.

    There have been ALOT of guys who could trow the ball like that. Many called them "the next great one".

    Heres the thing tho...the guys almost universally called the best ever didn't have arms anything like that. Who can he be? He can be John Elway in his prime. That would be awesome...but he's got a LONG, LONG way to go before that happens. He's also got possibly the most electric skill position players in the NFL.

    There WILL come a point this season where he runs into a buzzsaw. I hope its this week because they play the Niners but I ain't counting on it. There will come a time when he's shown as mortal...but its been a fun few weeks here to open the season for sure if you're a Chiefs fan.



    Good post.

    And let's not forget alllllll the hype surrounding Luck/RG3, Winston/Mariota, etc.

    Mahomes has the best collection of skill players in the NFL right now and a QB friendly coach. But I want to see what he does over the course of an entire season.

    NFL teams having tape on him will make a difference going forward.
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  • BTW imagine for a second that Wilson had:

    Tyreek Hill/Sammy Watkins
    Kelce and Hunt

    Yikes.
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  • Ramfan128 wrote:BTW imagine for a second that Wilson had:

    Tyreek Hill/Sammy Watkins
    Kelce and Hunt

    Yikes.


    And Andy Reid!
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    Cyrus12 wrote:And we tried to trade up to get him...guessing russ would of been elsewhere if that happened


    We did, don't remember. Any evidence of that?


    http://www.espn.com/blog/seattle-seahaw ... api_public

    I also recall on draft day a story where the hawks tried to trade up to a spot where they would of been in position to get him. Would of been interesting.


    This story says they would've considered him at their spot. Nothing about trying to.trade up to get him.
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  • So yeah, does anyone still doubt that he is the Sonn of the Mighty Zeus? This guy is the next great one, end of discussion.
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  • 5_Golden_Rings wrote:So yeah, does anyone still doubt that he is the Sonn of the Mighty Zeus? This guy is the next great one, end of discussion.


    I'm not going to anoint anyone a "great one", even a future one, until they do it for awhile and through tough times. It's not like he's faced much adversity at this point.
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Sun Sep 23, 2018 5:08 pm
  • 5_Golden_Rings wrote:So yeah, does anyone still doubt that he is the Sonn of the Mighty Zeus? This guy is the next great one, end of discussion.



    The top QB’s put bad teams away. Not let them get within 11 and only score 3 points in the whole second half. He has little tape on him. So please stop with the Smoke blowing. We are a crap team and lost by 11. If he was god so to speak he would have destroyed us.
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Sun Sep 23, 2018 8:09 pm
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    5_Golden_Rings wrote:So yeah, does anyone still doubt that he is the Sonn of the Mighty Zeus? This guy is the next great one, end of discussion.



    The top QB’s put bad teams away. Not let them get within 11 and only score 3 points in the whole second half. He has little tape on him. So please stop with the Smoke blowing. We are a crap team and lost by 11. If he was god so to speak he would have destroyed us.

    The top teams? Let's see... what is it, an NFL record of 13 touchdowns and zero picks in three games, going against three pretty good offenses who did a decent job of holding on to the ball?

    When is long enough for you doubters to eat the crow?
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  • Nobody is as smart as 5_Rings. Nobody.
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  • 5_Golden_Rings wrote:
    rlkats wrote:
    5_Golden_Rings wrote:So yeah, does anyone still doubt that he is the Sonn of the Mighty Zeus? This guy is the next great one, end of discussion.



    The top QB’s put bad teams away. Not let them get within 11 and only score 3 points in the whole second half. He has little tape on him. So please stop with the Smoke blowing. We are a crap team and lost by 11. If he was god so to speak he would have destroyed us.

    The top teams? Let's see... what is it, an NFL record of 13 touchdowns and zero picks in three games, going against three pretty good offenses who did a decent job of holding on to the ball?

    When is long enough for you doubters to eat the crow?


    Not 3 games. Are you high?
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Sun Sep 23, 2018 9:59 pm
  • 5_Golden_Rings wrote:
    rlkats wrote:
    5_Golden_Rings wrote:So yeah, does anyone still doubt that he is the Sonn of the Mighty Zeus? This guy is the next great one, end of discussion.



    The top QB’s put bad teams away. Not let them get within 11 and only score 3 points in the whole second half. He has little tape on him. So please stop with the Smoke blowing. We are a crap team and lost by 11. If he was god so to speak he would have destroyed us.

    The top teams? Let's see... what is it, an NFL record of 13 touchdowns and zero picks in three games, going against three pretty good offenses who did a decent job of holding on to the ball?

    When is long enough for you doubters to eat the crow?


    It is a team sport... it might not be the QB's fault that the other team came back. Also 11 points is a two-score lead. It's not a blowout, but it's a convincing win. Were the Chiefs supposed to put up 45?
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Mon Sep 24, 2018 2:19 am
  • adeltaY wrote:
    5_Golden_Rings wrote:
    rlkats wrote:
    5_Golden_Rings wrote:So yeah, does anyone still doubt that he is the Sonn of the Mighty Zeus? This guy is the next great one, end of discussion.



    The top QB’s put bad teams away. Not let them get within 11 and only score 3 points in the whole second half. He has little tape on him. So please stop with the Smoke blowing. We are a crap team and lost by 11. If he was god so to speak he would have destroyed us.

    The top teams? Let's see... what is it, an NFL record of 13 touchdowns and zero picks in three games, going against three pretty good offenses who did a decent job of holding on to the ball?

    When is long enough for you doubters to eat the crow?


    It is a team sport... it might not be the QB's fault that the other team came back. Also 11 points is a two-score lead. It's not a blowout, but it's a convincing win. Were the Chiefs supposed to put up 45?

    That's my point. The offense scores nearly 40 points and this guy claims it's Mahomes fault the games weren't complete blowouts.
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Mon Sep 24, 2018 5:24 am
  • 5_Golden_Rings wrote:So yeah, does anyone still doubt that he is the Sonn of the Mighty Zeus? This guy is the next great one, end of discussion.


    No doubt. Amazing arm strength and wheels. Can he do it all year after he gets dinged up a bit and gets in some pressure situations.

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    5_Golden_Rings wrote:So yeah, does anyone still doubt that he is the Sonn of the Mighty Zeus? This guy is the next great one, end of discussion.


    No doubt. Amazing arm strength and wheels. Can he do it all year after he gets dinged up a bit and gets in some pressure situations.

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  • Smellyman wrote:
    PackerNation wrote:
    5_Golden_Rings wrote:So yeah, does anyone still doubt that he is the Sonn of the Mighty Zeus? This guy is the next great one, end of discussion.


    No doubt. Amazing arm strength and wheels. Can he do it all year after he gets dinged up a bit and gets in some pressure situations.

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    Mahomes can do some of what Wilson does, but when it comes to escaping pressure, Wilson stands alone. However, Mahomes THROWS under pressure so well that I don’t even think it matters much for him.
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Re: Pat Mahomes
Tue Sep 25, 2018 6:52 am
  • Dude has the best weapons in the NFL. Throwing to mostly open WRs though, so tough to gauge him right now.

    They also have played three really bad defenses, which doesn't help.

    But remember: Deshaun Watson was doing this for a spell last year. This year is completely different. When teams get more tape on him and notice his tendencies, I expect he'll regress a bit.
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Re: Pat Mahomes
Tue Sep 25, 2018 7:05 am
  • Ramfan128 wrote:Dude has the best weapons in the NFL. Throwing to mostly open WRs though, so tough to gauge him right now.

    They also have played three really bad defenses, which doesn't help.

    But remember: Deshaun Watson was doing this for a spell last year. This year is completely different. When teams get more tape on him and notice his tendencies, I expect he'll regress a bit.


    Dak Prescott was the bees knees too.
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  • Ramfan128 wrote:Dude has the best weapons in the NFL. Throwing to mostly open WRs though, so tough to gauge him right now.

    They also have played three really bad defenses, which doesn't help.

    But remember: Deshaun Watson was doing this for a spell last year. This year is completely different. When teams get more tape on him and notice his tendencies, I expect he'll regress a bit.


    Watson wasn't necessarily throwing to wide open receivers all the time, he was profiting on high risk/high reward throws that happened to go his way. A lot of tosses up to Nuk in double coverage, a lot of escaping pressure like he was playing Madden and keeping plays alive for ages, which Mahomes does, although much less often. Also, Watson was throwing INTable passes and picks at a very high rate and Mahomes doesn't have any INT.

    Mahomes has a better scheme and slightly better supporting cast than Watson. The big difference is that the Chiefs OL is very good and the Texans' OL is awful and injured.
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Re: Pat Mahomes
Tue Oct 02, 2018 2:06 pm
  • So, any of you unbelievers ready to jump on the 2018 MVP's bandwagon yet?

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  • He's Joe Montana 2,0.
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