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  • Raiders are trying to push him in a trade. Id take him back.


    Thoughts?
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Re: Can we go after bruce irvin?
Mon Oct 29, 2018 2:01 pm
  • NO!!

    Thinking we are 1 player away got us into this shit jam we are in with cap.

    Next year it starts to really open up...and Irvin is not the answer here.
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Re: Can we go after bruce irvin?
Mon Oct 29, 2018 2:02 pm
  • Yeah i was saying that in that other thread....Davis & 5th rounder for Irvin. Irvin likes Seattle too.
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Re: Can we go after bruce irvin?
Mon Oct 29, 2018 2:04 pm
  • His cap number is almost all salary, so he'd cost $4.5MM in cap space for the remainder of this year, so no.
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Re: Can we go after bruce irvin?
Mon Oct 29, 2018 2:07 pm
  • First thought: Poison. He chimed in when Avril said the players started questioning Carroll after SB49 interception. We don't need players who question Carroll. We need guys who buy in, shut up, and worry about their own improvement.
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Re: Can we go after bruce irvin?
Mon Oct 29, 2018 2:08 pm
  • We only have four draft picks in the 2019 draft as of now due to other moves the last few seasons.
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Re: Can we go after bruce irvin?
Mon Oct 29, 2018 2:08 pm
  • Seymour wrote:NO!!

    Thinking we are 1 player away got us into this shit jam we are in with cap.

    Next year it starts to really open up...and Irvin is not the answer here.


    I think this team is close to being scary good. We need another pass rusher. I know salary cap opens up next yr as well.
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Re: Can we go after bruce irvin?
Mon Oct 29, 2018 2:09 pm
  • KiwiHawk wrote:First thought: Poison. He chimed in when Avril said the players started questioning Carroll after SB49 interception. We don't need players who question Carroll. We need guys who buy in, shut up, and worry about their own improvement.



    Source?
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Re: Can we go after bruce irvin?
Mon Oct 29, 2018 2:10 pm
  • Jeremy517 wrote:His cap number is almost all salary, so he'd cost $4.5MM in cap space for the remainder of this year, so no.



    Could we send a player and have Oakland eat some cap?
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Re: Can we go after bruce irvin?
Mon Oct 29, 2018 2:12 pm
  • Raiders want a late round pick per sources.
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Re: Can we go after bruce irvin?
Mon Oct 29, 2018 2:15 pm
  • Jeremy517 wrote:His cap number is almost all salary, so he'd cost $4.5MM in cap space for the remainder of this year, so no.


    That's just for this year though. We still have money to spend.

    Im probably wrong as i dont really know much about contracts but Bruce next year is 9million but 0 dead money, so we can cut him without losing money or re-negotiate extend his contract.

    Seem like low risk high reward for this year. We are loaded w/ RB especially when we get McKissic back in couple weeks. Can also have Penny get more plays in. We can always trade backs to get more draft picks.
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Re: Can we go after bruce irvin?
Mon Oct 29, 2018 2:18 pm
  • rcaido wrote:
    Jeremy517 wrote:His cap number is almost all salary, so he'd cost $4.5MM in cap space for the remainder of this year, so no.


    That's just for this year though. We still have money to spend.


    You need cap space for roster moves throughout the year, especially as people get hurt. Secondly, cap space rolls over to next year.
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Re: Can we go after bruce irvin?
Mon Oct 29, 2018 2:20 pm
  • We never really recovered from losing him.

    Filling that SLB spot or end spot has been a nightmare, as was the lack of pass rush we had.

    I don't know we are close enough for it to matter, so that is a lot of risk without much upside.
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Re: Can we go after bruce irvin?
Mon Oct 29, 2018 2:46 pm
  • Welp nm
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Re: Can we go after bruce irvin?
Mon Oct 29, 2018 3:15 pm
  • Well according fieldgulls post says they can afford Irvin.

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Re: Can we go after bruce irvin?
Tue Oct 30, 2018 11:22 am
  • Didn’t follow Bruce, how good is he now?


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Re: Can we go after bruce irvin?
Tue Oct 30, 2018 11:50 am
  • rcaido wrote:
    Jeremy517 wrote:His cap number is almost all salary, so he'd cost $4.5MM in cap space for the remainder of this year, so no.


    That's just for this year though. We still have money to spend.

    Im probably wrong as i dont really know much about contracts but Bruce next year is 9million but 0 dead money, so we can cut him without losing money or re-negotiate extend his contract.

    Seem like low risk high reward for this year. We are loaded w/ RB especially when we get McKissic back in couple weeks. Can also have Penny get more plays in. We can always trade backs to get more draft picks.

    Remember last season when Mckissic, Carson, Procise, and Davis all went down? Yeah me too. You don't mess with the running game right now, period. Penny in his current iteration is a clear downgrade from Davis.

    Irvin's main deal is he set the run when he was a LB for us. He was decidedly mediocre as a pass rusher. A good utility player that could do a bit of everything, but certainly not someone you would want to go and and trade for --- especially since he plays a position that didn't see a lot of playing time on the Seahawks. We also don't have many draft picks this season, I doubt it would be a straight across trade, a Davis for Irvin. Not worth it.
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Re: Can we go after bruce irvin?
Tue Oct 30, 2018 12:14 pm
  • Would have loved to see Bruce back, he'd fit in perfectly in the D-line rotation and give Frank some help.

    But I get it, we already don't have a 2nd and 6th next year, so unless the Raiders were willing to accept a 2020 pick, I doubt John and Pete wanted to compromise any more picks for 2019.
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Re: Can we go after bruce irvin?
Tue Oct 30, 2018 3:35 pm
  • I remember Irvin as the perfect "keep Kaepernick in check" player. Kaep would run all over every other team but just kind of hurt us a little since Irvin had that great combo of speed and size to contain him
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Re: Can we go after bruce irvin?
Sat Nov 03, 2018 1:01 pm
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Re: Can we go after bruce irvin?
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Re: Can we go after bruce irvin?
Sat Nov 03, 2018 3:29 pm
  • KitsapGuy wrote:

    Where there's a will, there are relatives. :twisted:
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  • Don't want him. He was part of the anti-Russ dysfunction here, especially after "the play" and his quotes in the locker room. Not sure why people are obsessed with the past. If he was an elite talent I'd understand but he's B level at his position
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  • Scorpion05 wrote:Don't want him. He was part of the anti-Russ dysfunction here, especially after "the play" and his quotes in the locker room. Not sure why people are obsessed with the past. If he was an elite talent I'd understand but he's B level at his position


    Ok you are right, bye Irvin,


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  • In my opinion, Bruce Irvin made a living off his athleticism and implied potential. He struggled to develop into a complete well rounded player. And after considerably more than 12 weeks of investing in the development of a rapidly improving 2018 Seahawks front seven, I see nothing to be gained and much to be risked in mucking that up by making room for someone that has long since been replaced.

    "Irvin played just nine snaps in a 34-3 loss to the 49ers Thursday night. Counted upon to provide an outside pass rush for the Raiders, especially after the trade of Khalil Mack, Irvin has a team-high three sacks but has been largely ineffective on a team with the NFL’s worst pass rush.
    Irvin played only 24 of 78 defensive snaps (31%) in Oakland’s 42-28 loss to Indianapolis and didn’t record a single stat. That comes a game after he was non-existent in a 27-3 loss against the Seahawks, when he recorded a single tackle and implied after the game he was more concerned with making babies with his wife than the 24-point loss." -- Mercury News
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  • You have to know if we did get him coach would put him in a position to succeed.
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  • Jville wrote:In my opinion, Bruce Irvin made a living off his athleticism and implied potential. He struggled to develop into a complete well rounded player. And after considerably more than 12 weeks of investing in the development of a rapidly improving 2018 Seahawks front seven, I see nothing to be gained and much to be risked in mucking that up by making room for someone that has long since been replaced.

    "Irvin played just nine snaps in a 34-3 loss to the 49ers Thursday night. Counted upon to provide an outside pass rush for the Raiders, especially after the trade of Khalil Mack, Irvin has a team-high three sacks but has been largely ineffective on a team with the NFL’s worst pass rush.
    Irvin played only 24 of 78 defensive snaps (31%) in Oakland’s 42-28 loss to Indianapolis and didn’t record a single stat. That comes a game after he was non-existent in a 27-3 loss against the Seahawks, when he recorded a single tackle and implied after the game he was more concerned with making babies with his wife than the 24-point loss." -- Mercury News


    Wait... wait... the Raiders just cut their sack leader? Bahahahahahaha. Now I know they're tanking for next year.
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  • If he clears waivers; does that mean we can sign him for less than is current contract?
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  • Yeah, I just assumed he wouldn't get picked up via waivers, but someone might want to take a flyer.
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  • Nope. This will never happen. We are better without Kam, Earl, Sherm, Bennet, and Avril. Why would we need another relic around? The past is over. Young and hungry. Not old and in the way...
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  • With that logic, we should get rid of sweezy then???
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  • If you can sign him to Vet minimum type deal then grab him.
    If he’s all about the money then let him hang out at home.
    Cheap insurance for Jordan, Green and Clark is fine by my books.
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  • Hawksfan78 wrote:With that logic, we should get rid of sweezy then???


    JR Sweezy is a 3 down starter who has made an exemplary come back from injury. Bruce Irvin is in decline in both skill and focus without any residual prospects for developing into a focused 3 down player.

    3. Why would the Raiders dump Bruce Irvin now? Because he’d lost a step, they shopped him ahead of the trade deadline, and word is he’s grown unhappy with his shrinking role. Irvin has played less than half the Raiders’ defensive snaps (48 percent), and that number has been falling of late—he went from 41 snaps against Seattle to 24 against the Colts to 9 on Thursday night against the Niners. At this point, it makes sense for the scuffling Raiders to invest their time and resources into young D-linemen like Maurice Hurst and Arden Key. https://www.si.com/nfl/2018/11/04/week-9-news-notes-baker-mayfield-browns-coaching-sam-bradford-bruce-irvin-released-dalvin-cook?utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=sinow&xid=socialflow_twitter_si&utm_medium=social


    Bruce Irvin would not fit and would quickly become unhappy and disruptive to Seattle's new defense. Seattle has Frank Clark, Dion Jordan and Jacob Martin all competing for precious snaps in that Leo role and more. From what I have seen to date, an up and coming Jacob Martin is vastly preferable over a rapidly fading poseur. Plus, Rasheem Green returns from injury and needs snaps to restart his game day development and experience.

    Beyond Seattle, there are other teams out there, including dysfunctional organizations, with far greater need to risk taking a chance on Irvin.
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Re: Can we go after bruce irvin?
Sun Nov 04, 2018 10:48 am
  • KiwiHawk wrote:First thought: Poison. He chimed in when Avril said the players started questioning Carroll after SB49 interception. We don't need players who question Carroll. We need guys who buy in, shut up, and worry about their own improvement.


    Well said. +1.
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  • saying he wouldn’t fit in the same defense he was used to playing in or declining with no proof is silly to me. He had his best years under Ken Norton. I see nothing wrong with giving him a chance, especially with all the injuries that can and do happen.
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  • If Bruce clears waivers, I would be surprised if he's not a Seahawk by Wednesday morning. If you have a shot at adding a quality pass rusher who has experience and versatility in your scheme for the veteran minimum, you've got to do it. He can back up Mingo at SAM, add to your pass rush rotation and allow you to rush Dion Jordan from the inside in nickel situations.

    When I look at the types of players you need to stop offenses like the Rams and Chiefs, Bruce Irvin and Bark Mingo are exactly the types of guys I think about. It's rare to have 1 big guy with the athleticism to both rush the passer and drop into coverage, having two allows you to play a smaller lineup to stop the passing game while still be able to stop the run. Add on top of that Bobby, KJ, Jordan, and Kendricks you suddenly have a front 7 that can pretty much shift in every possible way pre and post snap which as we've seen from Alabama in college can absolutely shut down the misdirection / spread heavy offenses.
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  • KitsapGuy wrote:

    To follow up on this, It's incredibly unlikely Bruce gets claimed. His contract is guaranteed, so any team that claims him takes on the remainder of his contract. If he goes unclaimed Bruce can sign with any team for the minimum and the Raiders will have to pay the difference.
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  • knownone wrote:
    KitsapGuy wrote:

    To follow up on this, It's incredibly unlikely Bruce gets claimed. His contract is guaranteed, so any team that claims him takes on the remainder of his contract. If he goes unclaimed Bruce can sign with any team for the minimum and the Raiders will have to pay the difference.



    I say sign him for a dollar !

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  • chris98251 wrote:
    knownone wrote:
    KitsapGuy wrote:

    To follow up on this, It's incredibly unlikely Bruce gets claimed. His contract is guaranteed, so any team that claims him takes on the remainder of his contract. If he goes unclaimed Bruce can sign with any team for the minimum and the Raiders will have to pay the difference.



    I say sign him for a dollar !



    Are you sure you would not go 2 dollars????

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  • knownone wrote:
    KitsapGuy wrote:

    To follow up on this, It's incredibly unlikely Bruce gets claimed. His contract is guaranteed, so any team that claims him takes on the remainder of his contract. If he goes unclaimed Bruce can sign with any team for the minimum and the Raiders will have to pay the difference.


    Any idea the timetable on that?
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  • Probably Wednesday before we know anything.
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  • Seahawkfan80 wrote:
    chris98251 wrote:
    I say sign him for a dollar !



    Are you sure you would not go 2 dollars????



    We could probably go as high as $3.50.

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  • Seahawk Sailor wrote:
    Seahawkfan80 wrote:
    chris98251 wrote:
    I say sign him for a dollar !



    Are you sure you would not go 2 dollars????



    We could probably go as high as $3.50.



    Do I hear 4 bucks 4 bucks 4 bucks????

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  • I'd give him $5

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  • Speculation is fixing to start up again ..............................


    Many are prone to the notion that anyone can be fixed or accommodated. So we're fixing to see what happens.

    Edit addition to post: Why Seahawks are top candidates to sign Bruce Irvin if he clears waivers--and why they may not >>> Read more here: https://www.thenewstribune.com/sports/nfl/seattle-seahawks/article221193980.html#storylink=cpy
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  • 4$ 4$ 4$ equals 12 bucks.......
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  • Signed with the Falcons. One year deal.
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