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Ram's trade 3rd and 5th for Fowler
Tue Oct 30, 2018 11:41 am
  • Dante Fowler to the Rams for a 3rd round pick and a 5th.

    Rams acquired DE Dante Fowler from the Jaguars.

    The odd man out of the Jags' defensive end rotation, Fowler will provide instant help for Wade Phillips' defense in Los Angeles. The No. 3 overall pick of the 2015 draft has made just one career start, but that could quickly change. Fowler registered two sacks on 165 snaps in Jacksonville this season. It's a nice addition for L.A., but there is no guarantee it's an impact one.
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Re: Ram's trade 3rd and 5th for Fowler
Tue Oct 30, 2018 11:43 am
  • Good lawd.

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Re: Ram's trade 3rd and 5th for Fowler
Tue Oct 30, 2018 11:51 am
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Re: Ram's trade 3rd and 5th for Fowler
Tue Oct 30, 2018 11:53 am
  • Fowler has not been very good this season. Kind of a lot to pay for an up and down player in a contract year. They needed edge, but not sure this is much of an upgrade. Nbd for us.
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Re: Ram's trade 3rd and 5th for Fowler
Tue Oct 30, 2018 11:59 am
  • Coug_Hawk08 wrote:Fowler has not been very good this season. Kind of a lot to pay for an up and down player in a contract year. They needed edge, but not sure this is much of an upgrade. Nbd for us.


    Suh and Donald will probably help him get a big contract next year.
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Re: Ram's trade 3rd and 5th for Fowler
Tue Oct 30, 2018 11:59 am
  • It's the sign of the times, push all your chips in before your rookie contract franchise QB gets paid.
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Re: Ram's trade 3rd and 5th for Fowler
Tue Oct 30, 2018 12:21 pm
  • Sgt. Largent wrote:It's the sign of the times, push all your chips in before your rookie contract franchise QB gets paid.

    The future doesn't look that good when you don't win it all. All those picks lost, all those huge contracts to handle...not envious at all.
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Re: Ram's trade 3rd and 5th for Fowler
Tue Oct 30, 2018 12:24 pm
  • JGreen79 wrote:
    Coug_Hawk08 wrote:Fowler has not been very good this season. Kind of a lot to pay for an up and down player in a contract year. They needed edge, but not sure this is much of an upgrade. Nbd for us.


    Suh and Donald will probably help him get a big contract next year.


    Possible. But, he already played next to some pretty great players. It’s not like he was getting doubled or chipped regularly on the Jags defense. Should be similar opportunity for him in that regard.
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Re: Ram's trade 3rd and 5th for Fowler
Tue Oct 30, 2018 12:25 pm
  • SkyHawks16 wrote:
    Sgt. Largent wrote:It's the sign of the times, push all your chips in before your rookie contract franchise QB gets paid.

    The future doesn't look that good when you don't win it all. All those picks lost, all those huge contracts to handle...not envious at all.


    Yeah but it looks great when you win one like the Hawks and Eagles just did.

    The fact is the Patriots and Brady are the exception, look at the highest paid QB's in the league and you don't find too many SB winners over the past 10 years.

    Certainly possible to try and achieve that Patriot sustained success, but I'd much rather we go for broke and win a SB every 10 years than be in a perpetual holding pattern of a hamstrung cap because we're paying our QB crazy money soaking up 25% of the cap space.
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Re: Ram's trade 3rd and 5th for Fowler
Tue Oct 30, 2018 12:33 pm
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Re: Ram's trade 3rd and 5th for Fowler
Tue Oct 30, 2018 12:36 pm
  • Sgt. Largent wrote:
    SkyHawks16 wrote:
    Sgt. Largent wrote:It's the sign of the times, push all your chips in before your rookie contract franchise QB gets paid.

    The future doesn't look that good when you don't win it all. All those picks lost, all those huge contracts to handle...not envious at all.


    Yeah but it looks great when you win one like the Hawks and Eagles just did.

    The fact is the Patriots and Brady are the exception, look at the highest paid QB's in the league and you don't find too many SB winners over the past 10 years.

    Certainly possible to try and achieve that Patriot sustained success, but I'd much rather we go for broke and win a SB every 10 years than be in a perpetual holding pattern of a hamstrung cap because we're paying our QB crazy money soaking up 25% of the cap space.

    No, don't put us with the Rams. Most of our players were drafted by us, we didn't waste picks to get big names on FA, how we won the superbowl happened organically. The Rams are getting big names, wasting their future drafts, we didn't do that. Their defense isn't really anything special despite all the big names they got.
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Re: Ram's trade 3rd and 5th for Fowler
Tue Oct 30, 2018 1:01 pm
  • SkyHawks16 wrote:
    Sgt. Largent wrote:
    SkyHawks16 wrote:
    Sgt. Largent wrote:It's the sign of the times, push all your chips in before your rookie contract franchise QB gets paid.

    The future doesn't look that good when you don't win it all. All those picks lost, all those huge contracts to handle...not envious at all.


    Yeah but it looks great when you win one like the Hawks and Eagles just did.

    The fact is the Patriots and Brady are the exception, look at the highest paid QB's in the league and you don't find too many SB winners over the past 10 years.

    Certainly possible to try and achieve that Patriot sustained success, but I'd much rather we go for broke and win a SB every 10 years than be in a perpetual holding pattern of a hamstrung cap because we're paying our QB crazy money soaking up 25% of the cap space.

    No, don't put us with the Rams. Most of our players were drafted by us, we didn't waste picks to get big names on FA, how we won the superbowl happened organically. The Rams are getting big names, wasting their future drafts, we didn't do that. Their defense isn't really anything special despite all the big names they got.


    Not really giving the Rams credit, most of their core players they also drafted.

    Did we draft Lynch? Bennett? Clemons? Avril? Giacomini? Harvin? McDonald? Miller? McQuistan? Browner? Rice?

    All I'm saying is I get what the Rams are doing. I don't like it, but I get it. Once they have to pay Goff, they lose 5-6 impact players instantly.
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Re: Ram's trade 3rd and 5th for Fowler
Tue Oct 30, 2018 1:02 pm
  • I'd have liked to see the Niners make a play for Fowler as pass rush is BY FAR their biggest offseason need...

    ...but not at that price. He'll be a free agent anyway.

    Makes a bit of sense for the Rams tho if they think this is their year. I can't see them paying him next year.
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Re: Ram's trade 3rd and 5th for Fowler
Tue Oct 30, 2018 1:24 pm
  • Sgt. Largent wrote:
    SkyHawks16 wrote:
    Sgt. Largent wrote:
    SkyHawks16 wrote:The future doesn't look that good when you don't win it all. All those picks lost, all those huge contracts to handle...not envious at all.


    Yeah but it looks great when you win one like the Hawks and Eagles just did.

    The fact is the Patriots and Brady are the exception, look at the highest paid QB's in the league and you don't find too many SB winners over the past 10 years.

    Certainly possible to try and achieve that Patriot sustained success, but I'd much rather we go for broke and win a SB every 10 years than be in a perpetual holding pattern of a hamstrung cap because we're paying our QB crazy money soaking up 25% of the cap space.

    No, don't put us with the Rams. Most of our players were drafted by us, we didn't waste picks to get big names on FA, how we won the superbowl happened organically. The Rams are getting big names, wasting their future drafts, we didn't do that. Their defense isn't really anything special despite all the big names they got.


    Not really giving the Rams credit, most of their core players they also drafted.

    Did we draft Lynch? Bennett? Clemons? Avril? Giacomini? Harvin? McDonald? Miller? McQuistan? Browner? Rice?

    All I'm saying is I get what the Rams are doing. I don't like it, but I get it. Once they have to pay Goff, they lose 5-6 impact players instantly.

    Lynch was traded 3 years before our SB win, Avril and Bennett were cheap FAs that didn't cost us a thing in picks, Giacomini was from the Packers practice squad, Mcdonald was traded for Jennings and was basically a backup, Rice was a FA when we signed him in 2011, Miller was a FA that signed for us in 2011, same for Browner signed in 2011 as a FA, McQuistan was another no name FA, Clemmons was traded in 2010. The only one I will give you Harvin, but the rest of the team took years to come together and build to be championships. You can't compare us to what the Rams are doing, Pete build that team since he got here in 2010, making moves here and there for years. The Rams are buying the hot guys and trading for them in trades while losing their future picks. That is not us, Pete build that team, he didnt just buy big names and turn them to champions.
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Re: Ram's trade 3rd and 5th for Fowler
Tue Oct 30, 2018 1:38 pm
  • SkyHawks16 wrote:Lynch was traded 3 years before our SB win, Avril and Bennett were cheap FAs that didn't cost us a thing in picks, Giacomini was from the Packers practice squad, Mcdonald was traded for Jennings and was basically a backup, Rice was a FA when we signed him in 2011, Miller was a FA that signed for us in 2011, same for Browner signed in 2011 as a FA, McQuistan was another no name FA, Clemmons was traded in 2010. The only one I will give you Harvin, but the rest of the team took years to come together and build to be championships. You can't compare us to what the Rams are doing, Pete build that team since he got here in 2010, making moves here and there for years. The Rams are buying the hot guys and trading for them in trades while losing their future picks. That is not us, Pete build that team, he didnt just buy big names and turn them to champions.


    Maybe we should have done what the Rams are doing, here we are starting over anyway because it took us 3-4 years to get rid of the expensive players.

    Maybe if we traded away future picks for some nasty defenders in 2014 we wouldn't have been crippled in the SB with the entire LOB hurt and Avril out with a concussion leaving absolutely nobody to help Bennett rush Brady leading to losing our 10 pt lead.

    You act like the Rams are beneath us, and we'll see if it'll work out for them.......but you know who's the only team in the NFL 8-0? The Rams. You know who's going to be insanely good for the next 2-3 years? The Rams.
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Re: Ram's trade 3rd and 5th for Fowler
Tue Oct 30, 2018 1:50 pm
  • Sgt. Largent wrote:
    SkyHawks16 wrote:Lynch was traded 3 years before our SB win, Avril and Bennett were cheap FAs that didn't cost us a thing in picks, Giacomini was from the Packers practice squad, Mcdonald was traded for Jennings and was basically a backup, Rice was a FA when we signed him in 2011, Miller was a FA that signed for us in 2011, same for Browner signed in 2011 as a FA, McQuistan was another no name FA, Clemmons was traded in 2010. The only one I will give you Harvin, but the rest of the team took years to come together and build to be championships. You can't compare us to what the Rams are doing, Pete build that team since he got here in 2010, making moves here and there for years. The Rams are buying the hot guys and trading for them in trades while losing their future picks. That is not us, Pete build that team, he didnt just buy big names and turn them to champions.


    Maybe we should have done what the Rams are doing, here we are starting over anyway because it took us 3-4 years to get rid of the expensive players.

    Maybe if we traded away future picks for some nasty defenders in 2014 we wouldn't have been crippled in the SB with the entire LOB hurt and Avril out with a concussion leaving absolutely nobody to help Bennett rush Brady leading to losing our 10 pt lead.

    You act like the Rams are beneath us, and we'll see if it'll work out for them.......but you know who's the only team in the NFL 8-0? The Rams. You know who's going to be insanely good for the next 2-3 years? The Rams.
    No, Pete is going back to what he knows best, what made him a Superbowl winning coach. Picking FAs studs like Mcdougald, Fluker and Mingo, getting young guys like Flowers who is a 5th rounder safety into a CB, watching guys like Tedric coming in and make a huge difference, get the running game going. Pete is going back to what made this team become champions, and it has been fun watching them do so. Look at the Eagles, the Vikings, the Jaguars, all their defenses have regressed even though all these teams have kept their studs from a year ago, it is not set in stone the Rams are going to be good the next 2-3 years, or win the superbowl.
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Re: Ram's trade 3rd and 5th for Fowler
Tue Oct 30, 2018 1:56 pm
  • SkyHawks16 wrote:
    Sgt. Largent wrote:
    SkyHawks16 wrote:
    Sgt. Largent wrote:
    Yeah but it looks great when you win one like the Hawks and Eagles just did.

    The fact is the Patriots and Brady are the exception, look at the highest paid QB's in the league and you don't find too many SB winners over the past 10 years.

    Certainly possible to try and achieve that Patriot sustained success, but I'd much rather we go for broke and win a SB every 10 years than be in a perpetual holding pattern of a hamstrung cap because we're paying our QB crazy money soaking up 25% of the cap space.

    No, don't put us with the Rams. Most of our players were drafted by us, we didn't waste picks to get big names on FA, how we won the superbowl happened organically. The Rams are getting big names, wasting their future drafts, we didn't do that. Their defense isn't really anything special despite all the big names they got.


    Not really giving the Rams credit, most of their core players they also drafted.

    Did we draft Lynch? Bennett? Clemons? Avril? Giacomini? Harvin? McDonald? Miller? McQuistan? Browner? Rice?

    All I'm saying is I get what the Rams are doing. I don't like it, but I get it. Once they have to pay Goff, they lose 5-6 impact players instantly.

    Lynch was traded 3 years before our SB win, Avril and Bennett were cheap FAs that didn't cost us a thing in picks, Giacomini was from the Packers practice squad, Mcdonald was traded for Jennings and was basically a backup, Rice was a FA when we signed him in 2011, Miller was a FA that signed for us in 2011, same for Browner signed in 2011 as a FA, McQuistan was another no name FA, Clemmons was traded in 2010. The only one I will give you Harvin, but the rest of the team took years to come together and build to be championships. You can't compare us to what the Rams are doing, Pete build that team since he got here in 2010, making moves here and there for years. The Rams are buying the hot guys and trading for them in trades while losing their future picks. That is not us, Pete build that team, he didnt just buy big names and turn them to champions.

    I agree skyhawks. The freaking rams I'm telling you. If they don't win it all this year then they wasted the future away. Their head coach will learn the hard way when they don't win it all this year. Their defense isn't impressive with all those high profile names. Now could they be dangerous yes but to many personalities on that defense.
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Tue Oct 30, 2018 1:58 pm
  • SkyHawks16 wrote: it is not set in stone the Rams are going to be good the next 2-3 years, or win the superbowl.


    Nothing's set in stone, this is pro sports........and I like what Pete's doing, but you're acting like what the Rams are doing won't work, and it is working, and will work for 2-3 more years.

    I don't fault the Rams for going for it, not sure why you do. You're acting like there's only one way to do it right.
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Tue Oct 30, 2018 2:14 pm
  • Not impressed. For a guy that was a top 3 overall pick a few years ago, he has massively underperformed.
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Re: Ram's trade 3rd and 5th for Fowler
Tue Oct 30, 2018 2:18 pm
  • Sgt. Largent wrote:
    SkyHawks16 wrote: it is not set in stone the Rams are going to be good the next 2-3 years, or win the superbowl.


    Nothing's set in stone, this is pro sports........and I like what Pete's doing, but you're acting like what the Rams are doing won't work, and it is working, and will work for 2-3 more years.

    I don't fault the Rams for going for it, not sure why you do. You're acting like there's only one way to do it right.

    We don't know that Largent, do you look at that defense team and say they are the best defense team in the league?
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Re: Ram's trade 3rd and 5th for Fowler
Tue Oct 30, 2018 2:47 pm
  • SkyHawks16 wrote:
    No, don't put us with the Rams. Most of our players were drafted by us...The Rams are getting big names, wasting their future drafts, we didn't do that.


    Uh dude, for ALL those big names the Rams have given up less in draft capital than the Seahawks gave up for just Percy Harvin. :lol:

    And that's without even factoring in that they're getting two comp picks in the third round coming back to them next year because they traded instead of signing FAs.

    And it's also not factoring in the other draft capital the Hawks gave up over the last few years for guys like Graham, Richardson, Brown (those three guys are a 1st, two 2nds, and a 3rd).

    You're both wildly overstating what the Rams have given up, and just simply misrepresenting what the Seahawks have and haven't done.

    And the Rams are the only unbeaten team in the NFL so far this year, and doing what every smart team died when they have a window with their QB on his rookie deal.
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Re: Ram's trade 3rd and 5th for Fowler
Tue Oct 30, 2018 2:50 pm
  • hawks85 wrote:
    SkyHawks16 wrote:
    Sgt. Largent wrote:
    SkyHawks16 wrote:No, don't put us with the Rams. Most of our players were drafted by us, we didn't waste picks to get big names on FA, how we won the superbowl happened organically. The Rams are getting big names, wasting their future drafts, we didn't do that. Their defense isn't really anything special despite all the big names they got.


    Not really giving the Rams credit, most of their core players they also drafted.

    Did we draft Lynch? Bennett? Clemons? Avril? Giacomini? Harvin? McDonald? Miller? McQuistan? Browner? Rice?

    All I'm saying is I get what the Rams are doing. I don't like it, but I get it. Once they have to pay Goff, they lose 5-6 impact players instantly.

    Lynch was traded 3 years before our SB win, Avril and Bennett were cheap FAs that didn't cost us a thing in picks, Giacomini was from the Packers practice squad, Mcdonald was traded for Jennings and was basically a backup, Rice was a FA when we signed him in 2011, Miller was a FA that signed for us in 2011, same for Browner signed in 2011 as a FA, McQuistan was another no name FA, Clemmons was traded in 2010. The only one I will give you Harvin, but the rest of the team took years to come together and build to be championships. You can't compare us to what the Rams are doing, Pete build that team since he got here in 2010, making moves here and there for years. The Rams are buying the hot guys and trading for them in trades while losing their future picks. That is not us, Pete build that team, he didnt just buy big names and turn them to champions.

    I agree skyhawks. The freaking rams I'm telling you. If they don't win it all this year then they wasted the future away. Their head coach will learn the hard way when they don't win it all this year. Their defense isn't impressive with all those high profile names. Now could they be dangerous yes but to many personalities on that defense.


    As much as I hate sticking up for the Rams...what are they supposed to be doing with the room that they have and the opportunity right in front of them? Just slowly pace themselves ahead of the Seahawks and hope the division stays a two horse race for the next 2-3 years? If the Rams do win a SB this year or next year are we really going to concern troll for the future of the Rams like we Hawks fans really have their best interests near and dear? Cmon.

    This is their shot to maximize their opportunity - yes it could prove to be a disaster in the long term but you are in the running, and clearly they are by virtue of their last season and the current one, this seems like as good a shot as any for a team in their position to try and get over the hump through every possible means.

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Re: Ram's trade 3rd and 5th for Fowler
Tue Oct 30, 2018 3:01 pm
  • Popeyejones wrote:
    SkyHawks16 wrote:
    No, don't put us with the Rams. Most of our players were drafted by us...The Rams are getting big names, wasting their future drafts, we didn't do that.


    Uh dude, for ALL those big names the Rams have given up less in draft capital than the Seahawks gave up for just Percy Harvin. :lol:

    And that's without even factoring in that they're getting two comp picks in the third round coming back to them next year because they traded instead of signing FAs.

    And it's also not factoring in the other draft capital the Hawks gave up over the last few years for guys like Graham, Richardson, Brown (those three guys are a 1st, two 2nds, and a 3rd).

    You're both wildly overstating what the Rams have given up, and just simply misrepresenting what the Seahawks have and haven't done.

    And the Rams are the only unbeaten team in the NFL so far this year, and doing what every smart team died when they have a window with their QB on his rookie deal.
    We are talking about 2010-2013 years, the road to our superbowl win. When the Seahawks started trading picks, that is when we lost our way. And the comp picks are not certain, the Rams could sign FAs.
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Re: Ram's trade 3rd and 5th for Fowler
Tue Oct 30, 2018 3:04 pm
  • Yeah, Reality is the the Rams are easily the best team in the division right now and have a shot at a ring. Sure, alot of the guys they have right now won't be on the roster in a few years, but who cares. Their time is NOW. You deal with later LATER.

    And as for the "we didn't do that"....really? The Seahawks gave up 1st rounder and a pro bowl center for Graham and a one, a six, and a three the next year for Harvin.

    Come on dude. More than one way to skin a cat. The moves the Rams made are working, so why hate on them?
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Re: Ram's trade 3rd and 5th for Fowler
Tue Oct 30, 2018 3:06 pm
  • SkyHawks16 wrote:
    Popeyejones wrote:
    SkyHawks16 wrote:
    No, don't put us with the Rams. Most of our players were drafted by us...The Rams are getting big names, wasting their future drafts, we didn't do that.


    Uh dude, for ALL those big names the Rams have given up less in draft capital than the Seahawks gave up for just Percy Harvin. :lol:

    And that's without even factoring in that they're getting two comp picks in the third round coming back to them next year because they traded instead of signing FAs.

    And it's also not factoring in the other draft capital the Hawks gave up over the last few years for guys like Graham, Richardson, Brown (those three guys are a 1st, two 2nds, and a 3rd).

    You're both wildly overstating what the Rams have given up, and just simply misrepresenting what the Seahawks have and haven't done.

    And the Rams are the only unbeaten team in the NFL so far this year, and doing what every smart team died when they have a window with their QB on his rookie deal.
    We are talking about 2010-2013 years, the road to our superbowl win. When the Seahawks started trading picks, that is when we lost our way. And the comp picks are not certain, the Rams could sign FAs.


    ok...BUT THEY ARE WINNING. They are the leagues only undefeated team.
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Re: Ram's trade 3rd and 5th for Fowler
Tue Oct 30, 2018 3:07 pm
  • Marvin49 wrote:Yeah, Reality is the the Rams are easily the best team in the division right now and have a shot at a ring. Sure, alot of the guys they have right now won't be on the roster in a few years, but who cares. Their time is NOW. You deal with later LATER.

    And as for the "we didn't do that"....really? The Seahawks gave up 1st rounder and a pro bowl center for Graham and a one, a six, and a three the next year for Harvin.

    Come on dude. More than one way to skin a cat. The moves the Rams made are working, so why hate on them?

    Again....can people go back and read the conversation. Imagine comparing the Seahawks 2010-2013 team to what the Rams are doing. :lol:
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Re: Ram's trade 3rd and 5th for Fowler
Tue Oct 30, 2018 3:09 pm
  • Marvin49 wrote:
    SkyHawks16 wrote:
    Popeyejones wrote:
    SkyHawks16 wrote:
    No, don't put us with the Rams. Most of our players were drafted by us...The Rams are getting big names, wasting their future drafts, we didn't do that.


    Uh dude, for ALL those big names the Rams have given up less in draft capital than the Seahawks gave up for just Percy Harvin. :lol:

    And that's without even factoring in that they're getting two comp picks in the third round coming back to them next year because they traded instead of signing FAs.

    And it's also not factoring in the other draft capital the Hawks gave up over the last few years for guys like Graham, Richardson, Brown (those three guys are a 1st, two 2nds, and a 3rd).

    You're both wildly overstating what the Rams have given up, and just simply misrepresenting what the Seahawks have and haven't done.

    And the Rams are the only unbeaten team in the NFL so far this year, and doing what every smart team died when they have a window with their QB on his rookie deal.
    We are talking about 2010-2013 years, the road to our superbowl win. When the Seahawks started trading picks, that is when we lost our way. And the comp picks are not certain, the Rams could sign FAs.


    ok...BUT THEY ARE WINNING. They are the leagues only undefeated team.

    That it folks, it is over, no need to play rest of the games, the Rams are the 2019 Superbowl winners, all because they are undefeated in week 9 :roll: .
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Re: Ram's trade 3rd and 5th for Fowler
Tue Oct 30, 2018 3:17 pm
  • SkyHawks16 wrote:
    Marvin49 wrote:
    SkyHawks16 wrote:
    Popeyejones wrote:
    Uh dude, for ALL those big names the Rams have given up less in draft capital than the Seahawks gave up for just Percy Harvin. :lol:

    And that's without even factoring in that they're getting two comp picks in the third round coming back to them next year because they traded instead of signing FAs.

    And it's also not factoring in the other draft capital the Hawks gave up over the last few years for guys like Graham, Richardson, Brown (those three guys are a 1st, two 2nds, and a 3rd).

    You're both wildly overstating what the Rams have given up, and just simply misrepresenting what the Seahawks have and haven't done.

    And the Rams are the only unbeaten team in the NFL so far this year, and doing what every smart team died when they have a window with their QB on his rookie deal.
    We are talking about 2010-2013 years, the road to our superbowl win. When the Seahawks started trading picks, that is when we lost our way. And the comp picks are not certain, the Rams could sign FAs.


    ok...BUT THEY ARE WINNING. They are the leagues only undefeated team.

    That it folks, it is over, no need to play rest of the games, the Rams are the 2019 Superbowl winners, all because they are undefeated in week 9 :roll: .


    They don't even need to win a SB for these moves to be a rational risk/reward push towards winning the SB. Are you just categorically against a team sacrificing long term stability for short term reward because you think that's 'the wrong way' to do things?
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Re: Ram's trade 3rd and 5th for Fowler
Tue Oct 30, 2018 3:28 pm
  • mrt144 wrote:
    SkyHawks16 wrote:
    Marvin49 wrote:
    SkyHawks16 wrote:We are talking about 2010-2013 years, the road to our superbowl win. When the Seahawks started trading picks, that is when we lost our way. And the comp picks are not certain, the Rams could sign FAs.


    ok...BUT THEY ARE WINNING. They are the leagues only undefeated team.

    That it folks, it is over, no need to play rest of the games, the Rams are the 2019 Superbowl winners, all because they are undefeated in week 9 :roll: .


    They don't even need to win a SB for these moves to be a rational risk/reward push towards winning the SB. Are you just categorically against a team sacrificing long term stability for short term reward because you think that's 'the wrong way' to do things?


    This.

    For example, it makes no sense for the 49ers to sign a bunch of guys right now because they are nowhere near their window.

    If you are IN the window as the Rams clearly are, i got no prob with taking some chances. If they traded a one, then I'd have an issue.
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Re: Ram's trade 3rd and 5th for Fowler
Tue Oct 30, 2018 3:30 pm
  • mrt144 wrote:
    SkyHawks16 wrote:
    Marvin49 wrote:
    SkyHawks16 wrote:We are talking about 2010-2013 years, the road to our superbowl win. When the Seahawks started trading picks, that is when we lost our way. And the comp picks are not certain, the Rams could sign FAs.


    ok...BUT THEY ARE WINNING. They are the leagues only undefeated team.

    That it folks, it is over, no need to play rest of the games, the Rams are the 2019 Superbowl winners, all because they are undefeated in week 9 :roll: .


    They don't even need to win a SB for these moves to be a rational risk/reward push towards winning the SB. Are you just categorically against a team sacrificing long term stability for short term reward because you think that's 'the wrong way' to do things?

    Problem is, if they don't win now, they are screwed long term.
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Re: Ram's trade 3rd and 5th for Fowler
Tue Oct 30, 2018 3:44 pm
  • SkyHawks16 wrote:
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    No, don't put us with the Rams. Most of our players were drafted by us...The Rams are getting big names, wasting their future drafts, we didn't do that.


    Uh dude, for ALL those big names the Rams have given up less in draft capital than the Seahawks gave up for just Percy Harvin. :lol:

    And that's without even factoring in that they're getting two comp picks in the third round coming back to them next year because they traded instead of signing FAs.

    And it's also not factoring in the other draft capital the Hawks gave up over the last few years for guys like Graham, Richardson, Brown (those three guys are a 1st, two 2nds, and a 3rd).

    You're both wildly overstating what the Rams have given up, and just simply misrepresenting what the Seahawks have and haven't done.

    And the Rams are the only unbeaten team in the NFL so far this year, and doing what every smart team died when they have a window with their QB on his rookie deal.
    We are talking about 2010-2013 years, the road to our superbowl win. When the Seahawks started trading picks, that is when we lost our way. And the comp picks are not certain, the Rams could sign FAs.



    But i'm saying the Rams have given up less draft capital than the Hawks did just for Percy Harvin, and that was in 2013 before the Hawks had won squat.

    My point is this idea you're pushing that the Rams have given up gobs of draft capital and their future is just untrue.

    And as for draft capital, those comp picks are certain. They're awarded for FAs gained and lost due last offseason. Because they traded for talent on their rookie deals instead of signing FAs they not only get those players cost controlled on cheap contacts, but also got to add a ton of talent while STILL getting two third round comp picks back and another in the 7th.

    Factor all that in and they've added a ton of talent and done so without any long term salary ramifications and while losing incredibly little draft capital at all.

    They crushed it in the offseason strategy, and so far are completely dominating on the field so far this year as well.
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Re: Ram's trade 3rd and 5th for Fowler
Tue Oct 30, 2018 3:54 pm
  • SkyHawks16 wrote:
    mrt144 wrote:
    SkyHawks16 wrote:
    Marvin49 wrote:
    ok...BUT THEY ARE WINNING. They are the leagues only undefeated team.

    That it folks, it is over, no need to play rest of the games, the Rams are the 2019 Superbowl winners, all because they are undefeated in week 9 :roll: .


    They don't even need to win a SB for these moves to be a rational risk/reward push towards winning the SB. Are you just categorically against a team sacrificing long term stability for short term reward because you think that's 'the wrong way' to do things?

    Problem is, if they don't win now, they are screwed long term.


    And why should we hold that potential for washout over the heads of Rams fans? It just seems like salty fan tears trying to diminish whatever hope and enthusiasm a Rams fan might have like the cursed froyo from The Simpsons.

    Like I said, I hate having to stand up for the Rams but its one thing to hope the opposing team tastes bitter fruit for their effort and another to say they should have never even tried for the juicy fruit cause they very well could wind up with the bitter stuff.

    The Rams are trying to make a push and while the price of failure might be steep, the reward is the entire rationale of playing the game. The Rams as they stand now are not in the same boat as Bills, Raiders, et al. Theyre trying to tip the scales in their favor to the nth degree, not massage an additional 2 wins out of a mediocre team and look 'respectable' and play for 2019 or 2020s SB.
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Re: Ram's trade 3rd and 5th for Fowler
Tue Oct 30, 2018 4:05 pm
  • Really well said. And the way they've set it up I don't even think the price of failure is that steep. Beyond the Cooks contract they haven't given any of these guys anything long term, and as of now they've lost what, a 2nd, a 3rd and some late round picks and they have two thirds coming back to them? For the chance to push all in that's a GREAT deal, in my opinion.

    And they still have their first next year that they can spend on Edge in a ridiculously Edge rich year, if they don't want to bring Fowler back.

    The Cooks trade and contact is really the only thing they've done that I don't like, but I also kinda get it because the WR market was just dumb all around last offseason.
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Re: Ram's trade 3rd and 5th for Fowler
Tue Oct 30, 2018 4:41 pm
  • Popeyejones wrote:Really well said. And the way they've set it up I don't even think the price of failure is that steep. Beyond the Cooks contract they haven't given any of these guys anything long term, and as of now they've lost what, a 2nd, a 3rd and some late round picks and they have two thirds coming back to them? For the chance to push all in that's a GREAT deal, in my opinion.

    And they still have their first next year that they can spend on Edge in a ridiculously Edge rich year, if they don't want to bring Fowler back.

    The Cooks trade and contact is really the only thing they've done that I don't like, but I also kinda get it because the WR market was just dumb all around last offseason.


    I'm on the same page as you in what they really gave up not being initially arresting. Maybe year 4 or 5 they start feeling some of this in a death by a thousand cuts way if they keep on like this but...

    The greater question raised in my mind in this thread goes to the heart of an individual fan's hopes:

    Is it worth going in all in for a SB run when you're already kinda in the catbird seat?
    Is any amount of Jeff Fisher worth any amount of years of McVay?
    If the Rams won the SB how long would Rams fans appreciate it and would it be worth 4 years of ~.500 ball? (and just based on .net it seems like a SB win gets you ~4-5 years for many fans, a lifetime pass for some and a few that are still asking why we didnt have a dynasty...)

    FWIW, no matter how the Rams fare because of all of this, we are going to have a ton of intriguing franchises to keep tabs on in the future from a GM/Rostering perspective -

    Rams making a push - will it haunt them?
    Raiders blowing the whole thing up!
    Will the Eagles get back to the playoffs even? And what does 2019 even hold for them?
    Mahomes!!!

    I don't think I've been more happy to anticipate the future in the last 2 years.
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Re: Ram's trade 3rd and 5th for Fowler
Tue Oct 30, 2018 4:53 pm
  • What a winning way to build a franchise, draft a stud QB, use his rookie contract to facilitate signing top FAs. Run for superbowl.

    On the other hand, one could sign some unproven FA, give dude a max contract, sign bunch of el cheapo FA cause you no more cap. LOL and just when you QB ain't ready, front office signed some aged prima donna just for selling tickets.

    Got to like what Lambs are doing.

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Re: Ram's trade 3rd and 5th for Fowler
Tue Oct 30, 2018 6:17 pm
  • I don't care about the picks at all.

    We will still end up with around 7 draft picks next year - or more - including our first. After that we have all our picks except the fifth rounder that was traded today. We had eight draft picks last year. So after "mortgaging the future" on multiple occasions, the Rams will still have averaged at least seven draft picks since that trade while only missing one first rounder.

    Win or lose in the playoffs, what Snead and McVay have done is nothing short of amazing.
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Re: Ram's trade 3rd and 5th for Fowler
Tue Oct 30, 2018 7:51 pm
  • Coug_Hawk08 wrote:Fowler has not been very good this season. Kind of a lot to pay for an up and down player in a contract year. They needed edge, but not sure this is much of an upgrade. Nbd for us.


    I respectfully disagree.

    It’s a piece added that the Rams need w huge upside.

    Games will be played and we will see.
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Re: Ram's trade 3rd and 5th for Fowler
Tue Oct 30, 2018 7:53 pm
  • SkyHawks16 wrote:
    mrt144 wrote:
    SkyHawks16 wrote:
    Marvin49 wrote:
    ok...BUT THEY ARE WINNING. They are the leagues only undefeated team.

    That it folks, it is over, no need to play rest of the games, the Rams are the 2019 Superbowl winners, all because they are undefeated in week 9 :roll: .


    They don't even need to win a SB for these moves to be a rational risk/reward push towards winning the SB. Are you just categorically against a team sacrificing long term stability for short term reward because you think that's 'the wrong way' to do things?

    Problem is, if they don't win now, they are screwed long term.


    Again, respectfully disagree. Rams are built for the long term.
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Re: Ram's trade 3rd and 5th for Fowler
Tue Oct 30, 2018 8:07 pm
  • Sgt. Largent wrote:
    SkyHawks16 wrote:
    Sgt. Largent wrote:
    SkyHawks16 wrote:The future doesn't look that good when you don't win it all. All those picks lost, all those huge contracts to handle...not envious at all.


    Yeah but it looks great when you win one like the Hawks and Eagles just did.

    The fact is the Patriots and Brady are the exception, look at the highest paid QB's in the league and you don't find too many SB winners over the past 10 years.

    Certainly possible to try and achieve that Patriot sustained success, but I'd much rather we go for broke and win a SB every 10 years than be in a perpetual holding pattern of a hamstrung cap because we're paying our QB crazy money soaking up 25% of the cap space.

    No, don't put us with the Rams. Most of our players were drafted by us, we didn't waste picks to get big names on FA, how we won the superbowl happened organically. The Rams are getting big names, wasting their future drafts, we didn't do that. Their defense isn't really anything special despite all the big names they got.


    Not really giving the Rams credit, most of their core players they also drafted.

    Did we draft Lynch? Bennett? Clemons? Avril? Giacomini? Harvin? McDonald? Miller? McQuistan? Browner? Rice?

    All I'm saying is I get what the Rams are doing. I don't like it, but I get it. Once they have to pay Goff, they lose 5-6 impact players instantly.


    Omg, essays written here.

    Who are actually the BEST players on the Rams?

    Here are the drafted players:

    Goff
    Gurley
    Donald

    Probably the top 3 indisputable. Drafted.

    Brockers
    Kupp
    Zuerlein
    Hekker
    Havenstein
    Saffold
    Everette
    Higbee (great TE blocker)
    J Johnson
    Joyner

    Off the top of my head.

    Pieces have been added obviously, but it’s adding to the core.

    It’s kinda an excuse to say Rams are built at the core by FA.
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Tue Oct 30, 2018 8:14 pm
  • Congrats, Alice. Rams are killing it right now.
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Re: Ram's trade 3rd and 5th for Fowler
Tue Oct 30, 2018 8:21 pm
  • hawknation2018 wrote:Congrats, Alice. Rams are killing it right now.


    :179417: :179417:

    Gets really tough now. Saints. Hawks. Chiefs.

    Plus, every team playing their best to be the Rams first loss, or beat the “best” team.

    What a fun season.

    And, Rams haven’t played a perfect game - there is always a problem. But as a team, they keep getting the win.

    By no means are the Rams perfect, but my god have they been fun.

    Btw, Hawks looked awesome v Detroit. Looking forward to our game 2.
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Re: Ram's trade 3rd and 5th for Fowler
Wed Oct 31, 2018 4:51 am
  • Popeyejones wrote:Really well said. And the way they've set it up I don't even think the price of failure is that steep. Beyond the Cooks contract they haven't given any of these guys anything long term, and as of now they've lost what, a 2nd, a 3rd and some late round picks and they have two thirds coming back to them? For the chance to push all in that's a GREAT deal, in my opinion.

    And they still have their first next year that they can spend on Edge in a ridiculously Edge rich year, if they don't want to bring Fowler back.

    The Cooks trade and contact is really the only thing they've done that I don't like, but I also kinda get it because the WR market was just dumb all around last offseason.



    I keep hearing "all in" and "mortgage the future".

    Most people are not fully grasping what the Rams are doing.

    IMO the key to longterm success is putting a system in place that you can switch out players and keep going; your franchise QB becoming elite to justify that pay increase; and drafting well.

    McVay has the system - our offensive line features the oldest OL in the league, a good but not elite player in Saffold, a castoff old center in Sullivan, a late round pick that was cut by the COLTS in Blythe, and a RT in Havenstein that was considered a reach when we drafted him in the 2nd round - and he didn't play particularly well before McVay. Last year we went OL heavy in the draft to get Whitworth and Sullivan's replacements - they're currently our only two backup offensive linemen. Based on what we've gotten out of Blythe, I think these guys will be good. Saffold is the only one not under contract next year, but has already said he wants to stay.

    We will be letting Joyner go and could potentially cut Mark Barron to save almost $10 million. That will allow us to keep the rest of the team together and sign a FA or two.

    Between FA and the draft we'd be looking for Edge, ILB and S - but we could also retain Fowler.

    This team will be around for a long time.
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Re: Ram's trade 3rd and 5th for Fowler
Wed Oct 31, 2018 8:00 am
  • Ramfan128 wrote:This team will be around for a long time.


    This is the only thing about your post I disagree with, and the only thing I disagree with about it is the prediction.

    COULD be, yeah, absolutely, but WILL be is traipses off into homerism.

    Compare this year's Rams to the 2012 Seahawks and look at their rosters and start predicting which team should be around for a long time. If you say the Rams over the Hawks you'd be lying.

    What we didn't know in 2013 is that the Hawks were going to stack a couple of truly awful drafts on top of each other and make what turned out to be some pretty bad trades and FA decisions over the next couple years, and to heading to a decline in the next couple of seasons.

    If it could happen to the Hawks, it can ABSOLUTELY happen to the Rams too.

    That's WHY you push all in when you can.
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Re: Ram's trade 3rd and 5th for Fowler
Wed Oct 31, 2018 8:02 am
  • And until they win a game in the playoffs, which they haven't done til 2004, they are just paper champions.
    Saints will be knocking them off in the playoffs.
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Re: Ram's trade 3rd and 5th for Fowler
Wed Oct 31, 2018 8:11 am
  • RedAlice wrote:
    SkyHawks16 wrote:
    mrt144 wrote:
    SkyHawks16 wrote:That it folks, it is over, no need to play rest of the games, the Rams are the 2019 Superbowl winners, all because they are undefeated in week 9 :roll: .


    They don't even need to win a SB for these moves to be a rational risk/reward push towards winning the SB. Are you just categorically against a team sacrificing long term stability for short term reward because you think that's 'the wrong way' to do things?

    Problem is, if they don't win now, they are screwed long term.


    Again, respectfully disagree. Rams are built for the long term.


    Why do you think this?

    With trading for Fowler you're out of cap space, which means you're going to see a couple players in the news the next couple of days with re-worked contracts.

    Yes until Goff needs to get paid you're fine, but after that all these FA's you just signed are gone, and you'll have very few picks to reload the roster with the young talent needed because Goff's going to be sucking up 20% of the cap space.
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Re: Ram's trade 3rd and 5th for Fowler
Wed Oct 31, 2018 8:15 am
  • Ramfan128 wrote:
    Popeyejones wrote:Really well said. And the way they've set it up I don't even think the price of failure is that steep. Beyond the Cooks contract they haven't given any of these guys anything long term, and as of now they've lost what, a 2nd, a 3rd and some late round picks and they have two thirds coming back to them? For the chance to push all in that's a GREAT deal, in my opinion.

    And they still have their first next year that they can spend on Edge in a ridiculously Edge rich year, if they don't want to bring Fowler back.

    The Cooks trade and contact is really the only thing they've done that I don't like, but I also kinda get it because the WR market was just dumb all around last offseason.



    I keep hearing "all in" and "mortgage the future".

    Most people are not fully grasping what the Rams are doing.

    IMO the key to longterm success is putting a system in place that you can switch out players and keep going; your franchise QB becoming elite to justify that pay increase; and drafting well.

    McVay has the system - our offensive line features the oldest OL in the league, a good but not elite player in Saffold, a castoff old center in Sullivan, a late round pick that was cut by the COLTS in Blythe, and a RT in Havenstein that was considered a reach when we drafted him in the 2nd round - and he didn't play particularly well before McVay. Last year we went OL heavy in the draft to get Whitworth and Sullivan's replacements - they're currently our only two backup offensive linemen. Based on what we've gotten out of Blythe, I think these guys will be good. Saffold is the only one not under contract next year, but has already said he wants to stay.

    We will be letting Joyner go and could potentially cut Mark Barron to save almost $10 million. That will allow us to keep the rest of the team together and sign a FA or two.

    Between FA and the draft we'd be looking for Edge, ILB and S - but we could also retain Fowler.

    This team will be around for a long time.


    Here's the thing tho....

    ....you are in that awesome spot where you have your QB playing really well on his rookie deal. Take advantage of it while it lasts because as soon as he's due for that MONSTER extension, things will change.

    Thats not to say "BANG" you start losing. It just means you won't be able to afford some other stuff and as a result the team isn't as deep.

    Niners will never get that option with Garoppolo, but they did front load the hell out of his contract to give them leverage in future years.

    That spot you are in is the zone all teams WANT to be in. Young QB playing great and under their control for a few years before they really have to pay him. That's not criticism. That's reality. Enjoy it.

    I mean the CBA doesn't even give him an option to hold out. That's the perfect spot. Its part of the reason I have no issues with these trades. Go get it.
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Re: Ram's trade 3rd and 5th for Fowler
Wed Oct 31, 2018 9:54 am
  • Marvin49 wrote:
    Ramfan128 wrote:
    Popeyejones wrote:Really well said. And the way they've set it up I don't even think the price of failure is that steep. Beyond the Cooks contract they haven't given any of these guys anything long term, and as of now they've lost what, a 2nd, a 3rd and some late round picks and they have two thirds coming back to them? For the chance to push all in that's a GREAT deal, in my opinion.

    And they still have their first next year that they can spend on Edge in a ridiculously Edge rich year, if they don't want to bring Fowler back.

    The Cooks trade and contact is really the only thing they've done that I don't like, but I also kinda get it because the WR market was just dumb all around last offseason.



    I keep hearing "all in" and "mortgage the future".

    Most people are not fully grasping what the Rams are doing.

    IMO the key to longterm success is putting a system in place that you can switch out players and keep going; your franchise QB becoming elite to justify that pay increase; and drafting well.

    McVay has the system - our offensive line features the oldest OL in the league, a good but not elite player in Saffold, a castoff old center in Sullivan, a late round pick that was cut by the COLTS in Blythe, and a RT in Havenstein that was considered a reach when we drafted him in the 2nd round - and he didn't play particularly well before McVay. Last year we went OL heavy in the draft to get Whitworth and Sullivan's replacements - they're currently our only two backup offensive linemen. Based on what we've gotten out of Blythe, I think these guys will be good. Saffold is the only one not under contract next year, but has already said he wants to stay.

    We will be letting Joyner go and could potentially cut Mark Barron to save almost $10 million. That will allow us to keep the rest of the team together and sign a FA or two.

    Between FA and the draft we'd be looking for Edge, ILB and S - but we could also retain Fowler.

    This team will be around for a long time.


    Here's the thing tho....

    ....you are in that awesome spot where you have your QB playing really well on his rookie deal. Take advantage of it while it lasts because as soon as he's due for that MONSTER extension, things will change.

    Thats not to say "BANG" you start losing. It just means you won't be able to afford some other stuff and as a result the team isn't as deep.

    Niners will never get that option with Garoppolo, but they did front load the hell out of his contract to give them leverage in future years.

    That spot you are in is the zone all teams WANT to be in. Young QB playing great and under their control for a few years before they really have to pay him. That's not criticism. That's reality. Enjoy it.

    I mean the CBA doesn't even give him an option to hold out. That's the perfect spot. Its part of the reason I have no issues with these trades. Go get it.



    I totally get it. I just think people overstate this.

    Example: take away Lamarcus Joyner and Mark Barron's salaries and give them to Goff - that would put him near the $25-$30 million range - and replace them with rookies (given time to draft them as the Rams will be able to do) - Joyner has been a massive disappointment after last year and Barron is playing now but was injured and missed the first 4 games.

    The Vikings were able to fully load their team - and then pay out a crazy QB contract.

    It will hurt the flexibility, of course. But I think people really overstate this.
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Re: Ram's trade 3rd and 5th for Fowler
Wed Oct 31, 2018 10:19 am
  • For the sake of argument, let's say that the "The Ram's are mortgaging the future" claimants are right.

    So what? It's not just a rookie QB window that they are dealing with. They have just relocated to a "new" city. A city with a ton of competition vying for people's attention. A city who's isn't going pay much attention to a 11-5/10-6 team, who is one and done in the playoffs.

    Capture a title, and you will capture the attention of Los Angelenos, albeit only for a brief time. If you can snag a couple of titles early on, even better. Several years of "paying off the mortgage" will take some of the luster off, but early success is the best way to build a fan base, and many of those fans will stick around through the lean years.

    I love what they are doing. They've had a long-term plan in place for many years. It took a year longer to be competitive than I thought it would, but the results are about what I thought they would be.

    For the record, I don't think they've mortgaged the future. Plenty of draft picks. Tons of avenues to open up cap space, if needed. Cap increases will give them more breathing room. Only question is, what kind of contract will Goff demand, and will the Rams be the first team to roll the dice, and scuttle a true franchise QB, when free agency comes knocking on Goff's door.
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Re: Ram's trade 3rd and 5th for Fowler
Wed Oct 31, 2018 10:58 am
  • Ramfan128 wrote:
    Marvin49 wrote:
    Ramfan128 wrote:
    Popeyejones wrote:Really well said. And the way they've set it up I don't even think the price of failure is that steep. Beyond the Cooks contract they haven't given any of these guys anything long term, and as of now they've lost what, a 2nd, a 3rd and some late round picks and they have two thirds coming back to them? For the chance to push all in that's a GREAT deal, in my opinion.

    And they still have their first next year that they can spend on Edge in a ridiculously Edge rich year, if they don't want to bring Fowler back.

    The Cooks trade and contact is really the only thing they've done that I don't like, but I also kinda get it because the WR market was just dumb all around last offseason.



    I keep hearing "all in" and "mortgage the future".

    Most people are not fully grasping what the Rams are doing.

    IMO the key to longterm success is putting a system in place that you can switch out players and keep going; your franchise QB becoming elite to justify that pay increase; and drafting well.

    McVay has the system - our offensive line features the oldest OL in the league, a good but not elite player in Saffold, a castoff old center in Sullivan, a late round pick that was cut by the COLTS in Blythe, and a RT in Havenstein that was considered a reach when we drafted him in the 2nd round - and he didn't play particularly well before McVay. Last year we went OL heavy in the draft to get Whitworth and Sullivan's replacements - they're currently our only two backup offensive linemen. Based on what we've gotten out of Blythe, I think these guys will be good. Saffold is the only one not under contract next year, but has already said he wants to stay.

    We will be letting Joyner go and could potentially cut Mark Barron to save almost $10 million. That will allow us to keep the rest of the team together and sign a FA or two.

    Between FA and the draft we'd be looking for Edge, ILB and S - but we could also retain Fowler.

    This team will be around for a long time.


    Here's the thing tho....

    ....you are in that awesome spot where you have your QB playing really well on his rookie deal. Take advantage of it while it lasts because as soon as he's due for that MONSTER extension, things will change.

    Thats not to say "BANG" you start losing. It just means you won't be able to afford some other stuff and as a result the team isn't as deep.

    Niners will never get that option with Garoppolo, but they did front load the hell out of his contract to give them leverage in future years.

    That spot you are in is the zone all teams WANT to be in. Young QB playing great and under their control for a few years before they really have to pay him. That's not criticism. That's reality. Enjoy it.

    I mean the CBA doesn't even give him an option to hold out. That's the perfect spot. Its part of the reason I have no issues with these trades. Go get it.



    I totally get it. I just think people overstate this.

    Example: take away Lamarcus Joyner and Mark Barron's salaries and give them to Goff - that would put him near the $25-$30 million range - and replace them with rookies (given time to draft them as the Rams will be able to do) - Joyner has been a massive disappointment after last year and Barron is playing now but was injured and missed the first 4 games.

    The Vikings were able to fully load their team - and then pay out a crazy QB contract.

    It will hurt the flexibility, of course. But I think people really overstate this.


    I can see how you see it that way as I've been in those shoes.

    The problem is that it isn't that simple.

    First, Goffs Contract won't be 25-30 mil per year. If he keeps playing as he does, by then it'll be 35-40. That's the escalating price of QBs.

    Second, he won't be the only guy looking for a raise. If the Rams win a ring EVERYONE will be looking for a huge raise. Some guys they'll be able to extend and some they'll have to say goodbye to because those guys will be WAY overpaid by other teams and the Rams will rightly not match.

    That will put a HUGE emphasis on the ability to draft guys late in the draft who can step in and fill big holes.

    Don't look at past draft performance either as an indicator of future success. Almost nobody had drafts as successful as Seattle in 2010, 2011, and 2012. Those drafts propelled them to a ring.

    When they ran into the above scenario, they simply couldn't replicate that success. that isn't a slam on Seattle either. NOBODY has lasting success in later rounds of the draft. Just doesn't happen.

    Now maybe the Rams will be that team who can reload and move on, but it just doesn't happen anywhere with any regularity.
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