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Joe Buck on Tom Cable
Thu Nov 01, 2018 11:58 pm
  • Did anyone else hear Buck on the broadcast talking about Tom Cable?

    Went like this...."up in Seattle they would just give him defensive lineman and tell him to make them offensive lineman. At least here in Oakland he has some talent to work with. He is ONE OF THE BEST offensive line coaches in the league."

    I about fell off my couch.

    What a totally clueless statement. Cable WAS the guy handpicking his lineman. Shortly after Oakland gave up it's 4th sack. lol
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Re: Joe Buck on Tom Cable
Fri Nov 02, 2018 4:36 am
  • I mentioned this statement in the Raiders at Niners thread. But I think it was Aikman who said it.


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Re: Joe Buck on Tom Cable
Fri Nov 02, 2018 5:18 am
  • Cable's ability to make the league think he's a great line coach is impressive. Solari has taken one of the worst graded units in the NFL and within half a season put them in the top. Raiders line is likely the worst in the NFL right now.
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Re: Joe Buck on Tom Cable
Fri Nov 02, 2018 5:26 am
  • I don't get annoyed with talking heads like I used to...but that statement annoyed me. It was just wrong in so many ways. Most of the media has caught onto Seattle's strong offensive line play, but it's as if Aikman literally does no homework. For me, it's actually credibility shattering because I'll wonder about anything he says that I hadn't read somewhere else first. And it was satisfying (and actually predictable) that there'd be a sack 15 seconds later. Amazing that it was just a couple years ago that the Raiders had the #2 line behind only Dallas.
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Re: Joe Buck on Tom Cable
Fri Nov 02, 2018 9:38 am
  • OpHawk wrote:Did anyone else hear Buck on the broadcast talking about Tom Cable?

    Went like this...."up in Seattle they would just give him defensive lineman and tell him to make them offensive lineman. At least here in Oakland he has some talent to work with. He is ONE OF THE BEST offensive line coaches in the league."

    I about fell off my couch.

    What a totally clueless statement. Cable WAS the guy handpicking his lineman. Shortly after Oakland gave up it's 4th sack. lol



    And he only picked ONE defensive lineman to change in to an Olineman.

    If it was Aikman, well he's had many, many concussions.

    I think Cable is a disaster for Offensive Lines. He's had success with Rushing Stats, but that was almost always with a Running QB on the team, and IIRC, someone else's OLine.

    You can't tout a team with high rushing yards and a running QB as proof of a great running game. You have to take the QB's yards out of it to get a look at how good the team is in rushing because that's how the teams without a running QB are evaluated.

    A running QB needs a different blocking environment because they rarely run up the middle. And they start their run from a different perspective than a running back. The running QB deals less with DTs, and more with DBs.

    I think Cable is full of his own success and doesn't parse the RB yards from the QB yards. "My teams get lots of rushing yards, I'm great." So he keeps giving his linemen the same limitations he always has. The only reason he had any success in Seattle, Marshawn Lynch.

    His success in Atlanta? Michael Vick. Oakland? I'm old and my memory is shot. :curious:
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Re: Joe Buck on Tom Cable
Fri Nov 02, 2018 12:20 pm
  • ivotuk wrote:
    OpHawk wrote:Did anyone else hear Buck on the broadcast talking about Tom Cable?

    Went like this...."up in Seattle they would just give him defensive lineman and tell him to make them offensive lineman. At least here in Oakland he has some talent to work with. He is ONE OF THE BEST offensive line coaches in the league."

    I about fell off my couch.

    What a totally clueless statement. Cable WAS the guy handpicking his lineman. Shortly after Oakland gave up it's 4th sack. lol



    And he only picked ONE defensive lineman to change in to an Olineman.

    If it was Aikman, well he's had many, many concussions.

    I think Cable is a disaster for Offensive Lines. He's had success with Rushing Stats, but that was almost always with a Running QB on the team, and IIRC, someone else's OLine.

    You can't tout a team with high rushing yards and a running QB as proof of a great running game. You have to take the QB's yards out of it to get a look at how good the team is in rushing because that's how the teams without a running QB are evaluated.

    A running QB needs a different blocking environment because they rarely run up the middle. And they start their run from a different perspective than a running back. The running QB deals less with DTs, and more with DBs.

    I think Cable is full of his own success and doesn't parse the RB yards from the QB yards. "My teams get lots of rushing yards, I'm great." So he keeps giving his linemen the same limitations he always has. The only reason he had any success in Seattle, Marshawn Lynch.

    His success in Atlanta? Michael Vick. Oakland? I'm old and my memory is shot. :curious:



    He had a great knock out punch in Oakland. And a great back in McFadden and a FB Marcel Reece that did a lot of the work.
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Re: Joe Buck on Tom Cable
Fri Nov 02, 2018 6:03 pm
  • In just a few games, Cable has completely ruined one of the best Olines in the NFL. The Raiders O is REALLY bad.
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Re: Joe Buck on Tom Cable
Fri Nov 02, 2018 7:27 pm
  • For the life of me I don't understand why Gruden hired him in the first place. Surely Gruden saw what was happening with everything on our O here the last several years. And Gruden's not dumb either. I just don't get it.
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Re: Joe Buck on Tom Cable
Fri Nov 02, 2018 9:49 pm
  • West TX Hawk wrote:For the life of me I don't understand why Gruden hired him in the first place. Surely Gruden saw what was happening with everything on our O here the last several years. And Gruden's not dumb either. I just don't get it.

    Maybe he’s a genius. Tank for draft position. Cable is ass and he knew he’d turn that O-line to crap in no time.
    No O-line = crappy Offense, crappy offense = losses, losses = better draft position. Or not.
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Re: Joe Buck on Tom Cable
Sat Nov 03, 2018 1:34 am
  • Sports Hernia wrote:
    West TX Hawk wrote:For the life of me I don't understand why Gruden hired him in the first place. Surely Gruden saw what was happening with everything on our O here the last several years. And Gruden's not dumb either. I just don't get it.

    Maybe he’s a genius. Tank for draft position. Cable is ass and he knew he’d turn that O-line to crap in no time.
    No O-line = crappy Offense, crappy offense = losses, losses = better draft position. Or not.


    This thought definitely crossed my mind as well.
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Re: Joe Buck on Tom Cable
Sat Nov 03, 2018 2:59 am
  • OpHawk wrote:
    Sports Hernia wrote:
    West TX Hawk wrote:For the life of me I don't understand why Gruden hired him in the first place. Surely Gruden saw what was happening with everything on our O here the last several years. And Gruden's not dumb either. I just don't get it.

    Maybe he’s a genius. Tank for draft position. Cable is ass and he knew he’d turn that O-line to crap in no time.
    No O-line = crappy Offense, crappy offense = losses, losses = better draft position. Or not.


    This thought definitely crossed my mind as well.


    If he fires him after the season we may indeed have our answer.
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Re: Joe Buck on Tom Cable
Sat Nov 03, 2018 5:40 am
  • Think Tom Cable got possessed by Andy Kaufman and he's trashing o-lines just for the personal giggles.
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Re: Joe Buck on Tom Cable
Sat Nov 03, 2018 6:30 am
  • chris98251 wrote:

    He had a great knock out punch in Oakland. And a great back in McFadden and a FB Marcel Reece that did a lot of the work.


    I see what you did there. LOL
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Re: Joe Buck on Tom Cable
Sat Nov 03, 2018 9:59 am
  • I remember thinking Troy, you’re a dumb ass.

    Not sure but I think it was Aikman too.
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Re: Joe Buck on Tom Cable
Sat Nov 03, 2018 11:52 am
  • Sports Hernia wrote:
    West TX Hawk wrote:For the life of me I don't understand why Gruden hired him in the first place. Surely Gruden saw what was happening with everything on our O here the last several years. And Gruden's not dumb either. I just don't get it.

    Maybe he’s a genius. Tank for draft position. Cable is ass and he knew he’d turn that O-line to crap in no time.
    No O-line = crappy Offense, crappy offense = losses, losses = better draft position. Or not.


    Yeah, it's gotta be the long game. And Bevell has to be loving it because it's making him look at least slightly better seeing Cable crap the bed with another offense.
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Re: Joe Buck on Tom Cable
Sat Nov 03, 2018 9:11 pm
  • Cable the great offensive line coach who picked his linemen as far as I could tell. Hilarious.
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Re: Joe Buck on Tom Cable
Sun Nov 04, 2018 10:01 am
  • Joe Buck is an idiot.

    Buck needs to stick with the MLB cause football is not his forte.
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Re: Joe Buck on Tom Cable
Mon Nov 05, 2018 8:51 am
  • Wow! I didn't know Carpenter (1st round), Ifedi (1st round), Pocic (2nd round), Britt (2nd round), Okung (1st round), Odhiambo (3rd round), Poole & Glowinski (4th round), and Moffit (3rd round) were all defensive linemen.

    That is a lot to ask of anyone to turn that many defensive linemen into NFL Offensive linemen.
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Re: Joe Buck on Tom Cable
Mon Nov 05, 2018 9:13 am
  • ivotuk wrote:
    OpHawk wrote:Did anyone else hear Buck on the broadcast talking about Tom Cable?

    Went like this...."up in Seattle they would just give him defensive lineman and tell him to make them offensive lineman. At least here in Oakland he has some talent to work with. He is ONE OF THE BEST offensive line coaches in the league."

    I about fell off my couch.

    What a totally clueless statement. Cable WAS the guy handpicking his lineman. Shortly after Oakland gave up it's 4th sack. lol



    And he only picked ONE defensive lineman to change in to an Olineman.



    The funny thing is that Sweezy actually ended up being a quality offensive lineman.

    There are many, many things that Cable can be criticized for. The ONE time he converted a D lineman into an O lineman isn't really one of those things though because that actually worked out.
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Re: Joe Buck on Tom Cable
Tue Nov 06, 2018 6:34 am
  • Chapow wrote:
    ivotuk wrote:
    OpHawk wrote:Did anyone else hear Buck on the broadcast talking about Tom Cable?

    Went like this...."up in Seattle they would just give him defensive lineman and tell him to make them offensive lineman. At least here in Oakland he has some talent to work with. He is ONE OF THE BEST offensive line coaches in the league."

    I about fell off my couch.

    What a totally clueless statement. Cable WAS the guy handpicking his lineman. Shortly after Oakland gave up it's 4th sack. lol



    And he only picked ONE defensive lineman to change in to an Olineman.



    The funny thing is that Sweezy actually ended up being a quality offensive lineman.

    There are many, many things that Cable can be criticized for. The ONE time he converted a D lineman into an O lineman isn't really one of those things though because that actually worked out.


    He did try it with one other guy though, so it wasn't just that one time. I think it might have been that Sokoli guy.
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Re: Joe Buck on Tom Cable
Wed Nov 07, 2018 1:14 pm
  • bigskydoc wrote:
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    He had a great knock out punch in Oakland. And a great back in McFadden and a FB Marcel Reece that did a lot of the work.


    I see what you did there. LOL



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Re: Joe Buck on Tom Cable
Thu Nov 08, 2018 10:00 pm
  • West TX Hawk wrote:For the life of me I don't understand why Gruden hired him in the first place. Surely Gruden saw what was happening with everything on our O here the last several years. And Gruden's not dumb either. I just don't get it.


    Gruden is not a good as he's portrayed to be, IMO.

    Bringing in Cable was all from Gruden.
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Re: Joe Buck on Tom Cable
Thu Nov 08, 2018 11:07 pm
  • TheLegendOfBoom wrote:Joe Buck is an idiot.

    Buck needs to stick with the MLB cause football is not his forte.


    Buck is even worse at MLB. He has the uncanny ability to make you want to fall asleep in an exciting game. IMO a major reason World Series ratings have gone steadily down over the years is him and his horrific monotone. I remember around ‘96 simply because he was Jack Buck’s son, Fox made a 20 something kid with little experience and the most dull, expressionless voice west of the Mississip their #1 play by play man for the NFL and MLB. And he’ll be there another 25-30 years too. Heaven help us.
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Re: Joe Buck on Tom Cable
Thu Nov 15, 2018 10:21 am
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    West TX Hawk wrote:For the life of me I don't understand why Gruden hired him in the first place. Surely Gruden saw what was happening with everything on our O here the last several years. And Gruden's not dumb either. I just don't get it.


    Gruden is not a good as he's portrayed to be, IMO.

    Bringing in Cable was all from Gruden.


    I don’t doubt that Cable was a Gruden decision, but I do doubt that anything can be discerned about Gruden’s capabilities until the Raiders are established in Vegas.

    Consider that almost everything he has done has reeked of tanking this season for better draft position, then ask yourself, “if I were wanting to tank the upcoming season, without being completely obvious about it, who would I choose to best help me accomplish that?”

    Tom Cable is the best answer to that question that I can imagine.

    If Gruden is doing what I think he is doing, I expect Cable to be fired after next season.
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Re: Joe Buck on Tom Cable
Fri Nov 16, 2018 5:55 pm
  • Seanhawk wrote:
    Chapow wrote:
    ivotuk wrote:
    OpHawk wrote:Did anyone else hear Buck on the broadcast talking about Tom Cable?

    Went like this...."up in Seattle they would just give him defensive lineman and tell him to make them offensive lineman. At least here in Oakland he has some talent to work with. He is ONE OF THE BEST offensive line coaches in the league."

    I about fell off my couch.

    What a totally clueless statement. Cable WAS the guy handpicking his lineman. Shortly after Oakland gave up it's 4th sack. lol



    And he only picked ONE defensive lineman to change in to an Olineman.



    The funny thing is that Sweezy actually ended up being a quality offensive lineman.

    There are many, many things that Cable can be criticized for. The ONE time he converted a D lineman into an O lineman isn't really one of those things though because that actually worked out.


    He did try it with one other guy though, so it wasn't just that one time. I think it might have been that Sokoli guy.


    Sokoli was a DL-to-OL conversion project as was Jared "fat rabbit" Smith iirc.
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