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Re: Seahawks at Niners 11/11...
Wed Nov 06, 2019 12:25 pm
  • Anyone saying Seattle winning would be an upset is blind. There is no possible way to stop Wilson at this point. The Seahawks are good for approaching thirty points no matter what defense they play because of it. The only exception to that is if both teams successfully run the football.

    If both do not, the advantage goes to the team whose qb is better at converting crucial downs. I’m not dissing Jimmy G, who has been plenty clutch, but come on... have you watched Wilson this year? Whatever advantage the 49ers have in overall roster is completely offset by Wilson.
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Re: Seahawks at Niners 11/11...
Wed Nov 06, 2019 12:39 pm
  • 5_Golden_Rings wrote:Anyone saying Seattle winning would be an upset is blind. There is no possible way to stop Wilson at this point. The Seahawks are good for approaching thirty points no matter what defense they play because of it. The only exception to that is if both teams successfully run the football.

    If both do not, the advantage goes to the team whose qb is better at converting crucial downs. I’m not dissing Jimmy G, who has been plenty clutch, but come on... have you watched Wilson this year? Whatever advantage the 49ers have in overall roster is completely offset by Wilson.


    The confidence level is not high for either fan base right now, apparently. Things are a little weird right now.

    FiveThirtyEight model has this at about a 70% SF win. That seems right with the SF defense playing as well as it has been and the record and the home field.
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Re: Seahawks at Niners 11/11...
Wed Nov 06, 2019 1:02 pm
  • 5_Golden_Rings wrote:Anyone saying Seattle winning would be an upset is blind. There is no possible way to stop Wilson at this point. The Seahawks are good for approaching thirty points no matter what defense they play because of it. The only exception to that is if both teams successfully run the football.

    If both do not, the advantage goes to the team whose qb is better at converting crucial downs. I’m not dissing Jimmy G, who has been plenty clutch, but come on... have you watched Wilson this year? Whatever advantage the 49ers have in overall roster is completely offset by Wilson.


    Wilson has been playing at an MVP level, but the 49ers have been playing MVP defense. Their DVOA is still at historic levels, their PPG is 12.8 and this is the best pass rush Wilson has faced.

    Meanwhile the Seahawks D is ranked 27th in DVOA and is allowing 25.6 PPG.

    Not to mention this is home game for the 49ers with extra games rest... our run blockers are coming back and having Juice back is huge for the run game

    There is a reason the 49ers are favoured by 6 and it will indeed be an upset if the Seahawks win. That is the definition of an upset... not saying it will never happen but 49ers win this game 7 times out of 10.
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Re: Seahawks at Niners 11/11...
Wed Nov 06, 2019 1:14 pm
  • At home, probably. The opposite in Seattle.
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Re: Seahawks at Niners 11/11...
Wed Nov 06, 2019 1:44 pm
  • SoulfishHawk wrote:At home, probably. The opposite in Seattle.


    At this point in the year, I'm not sure what the line would be , but closer to a pick em.. your home advantage is less when your defense has played the way it has.
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Re: Seahawks at Niners 11/11...
Wed Nov 06, 2019 1:54 pm
  • Yeah, it's strange seeing the D be so bad overall. But, big games at home that mean something? Still a huge advantage. Especially w/Russ under center.
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Re: Seahawks at Niners 11/11...
Wed Nov 06, 2019 1:57 pm
  • SoulfishHawk wrote:At home, probably. The opposite in Seattle.


    Only thing with that Seattle game is that we really don't know if the game will matter at that point. It's week 17.

    At that point playoff positioning may have already been decided.

    Then again, that could be the "all the marbles" game.
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Re: Seahawks at Niners 11/11...
Wed Nov 06, 2019 2:06 pm
  • 5_Golden_Rings wrote:
    Giedi wrote:
    Marvin49 wrote:So I typically go to the other teams board to post something like this, so I'll go ahead and do so here.

    Usually I'd post about the Niners this year in general, but really not all that necessary as we've had that conversation about 100 times already. I'll just post about what I'll have my eyes on and what I think I think.

    When Seahawks have the Ball:

    1) The 49ers are the #1 ranked Defense in the NFL vs the Pass and were the most efficient pass rushing team in the NFL before last week (I haven't seen the numbers including the Cardinals game). The pass rush has suffocated passing games all year and allowed 100 yards or less in 4 straight games.

    Having said all that, they haven't faced Russell Wilson or anything close to him. The Cards exposed that pass D a bit my spreading the field and running tempo, so will be curious to see if the Seahawks do the same. That's also a possible offshoot of the short turnaround on a Thursday Night on the road, but it bears watching for sure.

    I have absolute confidence that Wilson will get pressured and probably sacked on a few occasions, but the dude is Houdini. I fully expect Bosa to have him dead to rights, he spins away from the sack, he rolls out, and somehow a WR is open by 10-15 yards 50 yards downfield. I've just seen it happen way too often. He's playing out of his mind this year and I won't lie, the dude scares the crap out of me.


    2) The 49ers have been vulnerable all season to gash runs. It seems there is always a sequence that they'll give up big chunk yards in the run game. I haven't quite figured out why, but there are a number of possible culprits. Wide 9. Light but fast LBs. Stop the run on the way to the QB.

    They also are susceptible to screens.

    When the 49ers have the Ball:

    1) You know they are gonna run it. Something of a statistical oddity, the 49ers and Seahawks run D ranks are almost identical. They are ranked 13th and 14th vs the run and give up an identical 4.7 yards per rush. The 49ers will run the ball A LOT regardless of whether they are having luck with it. Shanahan is stubborn that way.

    2) My guess is that the Seahawks will sell out to stop that run and force Jimmy G to beat them. I mean, that's what I'D do. Strangely enough, through 3 seasons, the Seahawks have only seen Jimmy as a QB for a single drive. He looked great against the Cards, but I'd expect his customary one WTF throw that he seems to have in almost every game, and largely look very efficient in short to medium ranges. I wouldn't expect him to go deep with any regularity.


    Injuries:

    We'll see who is actually back, but I'd expect Staley, Juszczyk, and Witherspoon back, and possibly McGlinchey.

    Kwon Alexander is HUGE. That one really hurts. One thing on him though...he has been in the game when they have been gashed in the run game. He was so fast and all over the field, but he was susceptible to the run. It will be interesting to see if him being out hurts or harms them. The dude is a great player, so not trying to say it isn't a blow, but curious to see what happens in that specific aspect.

    In his stead you will probably see a lot of Dre Greenlaw who played will in preseason and some Azeez Al-Shaair, whom I actually really like, but is also undersized and raw.

    This matchup reminds me of the old Joe Montana vs Steve Bartowski days (SF vs Atlanta - back when Atlanta was in the NFC west). Back then Joe would be Russel and Bartowski would be Jimmy from a mobility standpoint. :mrgreen:

    Having said that, I think being at home, the 49ers are going to test that Seattle Secondary and if the 'Hawks are going to defend the run - Kyle's going to call some play action passes that might just gash them severely to back off on the run. Might as well use home field advantage for something. ;)

    As for the 49er defense, agree - Greenlaw and Azeez will be tested. If I was Pete and Shottenheimer, those two rookies - Greenlaw and Azeez would be the guys I would scheme to attack. A great staple to attacking the 4-3 under would be misdirection and play action passes. Because of the 49er pass rush, I'd move Russell on designed moving pockets, roll outs, QB keepers, and the like. I'd really call a lot of run plays to neutralize that 49er pass rush and force the 49er weak spot in run defense to adjust and have them thinking run when Shottenheimer will call a play action pass deep to Lockett or DK.

    I think this game will be much closer than what Vegas has a line on. It could be decided on the last play of the last drive of the game. :shock: :?: :?

    They may change it for this game, but for the record the 49ers haven’t used under fronts as much this year. They’ve been doing a lot more even fronts and wide 9 stuff than they have in several years. They’ll still use a nose tackle, but rarely are five men on the line.

    Agree. I think the decision was made by Kyle this season to stop the pass first - hence the wide 9. Also agree that they might change the wide 9 to defend the run better in this particular game - specifically Russell getting out of the pocket and running bootlegs and read options.

    But any defensive adjustments by the 49ers will be based on what the Seattle initial 15 offensive scripted plays will be, for the most part. I forsee Shottenhiemer calling a lot of screens, draws, quick hitters for the Seattle RB, and runs by Russell. But that all goes out the window if (by happenstance) the 49ers can get a two score lead on Seattle. At that point, Pete and Shottenheimer - if they fall too far behind - will have to forego the run and it's at that point that Kyle will unleash the Bosa Constrictors and start strangling the Seattle pass offense.

    Having said that, I think the game will be nip and tuck and won't be decided till the 4rth qtr, just like the Arizona game with Kyler. I think rookie LB's Greenlaw and Azeez will be taken to the cleaners by Russell and his passing and running and will have that 49er defense on its heels for a majority of the game. Because of that it's going to be a great Monday night game vs (as the media seems to expect) a blow out.
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Re: Seahawks at Niners 11/11...
Wed Nov 06, 2019 2:06 pm
  • Marvin49 wrote:
    SoulfishHawk wrote:At home, probably. The opposite in Seattle.


    Only thing with that Seattle game is that we really don't know if the game will matter at that point. It's week 17.

    At that point playoff positioning may have already been decided.

    Then again, that could be the "all the marbles" game.


    Well, remember, the NFC West wasn't decided until Week 17 from 2012-14, and every year the top two teams won at least 11 games.

    Week 17 2012 Standings:
    49ers 10-4-1
    Hawks 10-5

    Week 17 2013 Standings:
    Hawks 12-3
    49ers 11-4

    Week 17 2014 Standings:
    Hawks 11-4
    Cards 11-4
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Re: Seahawks at Niners 11/11...
Wed Nov 06, 2019 2:23 pm
  • Will be interesting to see if Week 17 still matters for the seeding even if the NFC West is wrapped up. The game in New Orleans on 12/8 will be epic.

    First things first though...have to beat Seattle on Monday night. Lose that game and everything is up in the air, including the division. This is a must win for both teams, although probably more so for the Seahawks considering the NFC playoff picture and their upcoming gauntlet of a schedule.

    Can't wait for Monday night. You guys can shut us up for sure if you prove you can beat us at home on 11 days rest. Good luck to you, unless that means winning on a terrible ref call.

    If turnovers are even I don't see how you win this game. But turnovers happen so we can definitely be humbled if we don't take care of the football.
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Re: Seahawks at Niners 11/11...
Wed Nov 06, 2019 2:25 pm
  • Talk about a perfect game to flex at the end of the season. Something very likely will be on the line at the House of Noise that Sunday.

    And you don't see how we win this game? Have you seen our offense and our QB?
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Re: Seahawks at Niners 11/11...
Wed Nov 06, 2019 2:30 pm
  • Ezekiel38 wrote:Will be interesting to see if Week 17 still matters for the seeding even if the NFC West is wrapped up. The game in New Orleans on 12/8 will be epic.

    First things first though...have to beat Seattle on Monday night. Lose that game and everything is up in the air, including the division. This is a must win for both teams, although probably more so for the Seahawks considering the NFC playoff picture and their upcoming gauntlet of a schedule.

    Can't wait for Monday night. You guys can shut us up for sure if you prove you can beat us at home on 11 days rest. Good luck to you, unless that means winning on a terrible ref call.

    If turnovers are even I don't see how you win this game. But turnovers happen so we can definitely be humbled if we don't take care of the football.


    It's a must win for the division title, not so much for the playoffs. If Seattle loses, their division hopes are probably gone, but we still have games against the Eagles, Rams, Panthers, and Vikings who are all the major WC contenders in the NFC.
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Re: Seahawks at Niners 11/11...
Wed Nov 06, 2019 2:42 pm
  • Maulbert wrote:
    Ezekiel38 wrote:Will be interesting to see if Week 17 still matters for the seeding even if the NFC West is wrapped up. The game in New Orleans on 12/8 will be epic.

    First things first though...have to beat Seattle on Monday night. Lose that game and everything is up in the air, including the division. This is a must win for both teams, although probably more so for the Seahawks considering the NFC playoff picture and their upcoming gauntlet of a schedule.

    Can't wait for Monday night. You guys can shut us up for sure if you prove you can beat us at home on 11 days rest. Good luck to you, unless that means winning on a terrible ref call.

    If turnovers are even I don't see how you win this game. But turnovers happen so we can definitely be humbled if we don't take care of the football.


    It's a must win for the division title, not so much for the playoffs. If Seattle loses, their division hopes are probably gone, but we still have games against the Eagles, Rams, Panthers, and Vikings who are all the major WC contenders in the NFC.


    ...and if they win things get REAL interesting with the schedule getting pretty tough for both teams.
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Re: Seahawks at Niners 11/11...
Wed Nov 06, 2019 2:46 pm
  • Marvin49 wrote:
    Maulbert wrote:
    Ezekiel38 wrote:Will be interesting to see if Week 17 still matters for the seeding even if the NFC West is wrapped up. The game in New Orleans on 12/8 will be epic.

    First things first though...have to beat Seattle on Monday night. Lose that game and everything is up in the air, including the division. This is a must win for both teams, although probably more so for the Seahawks considering the NFC playoff picture and their upcoming gauntlet of a schedule.

    Can't wait for Monday night. You guys can shut us up for sure if you prove you can beat us at home on 11 days rest. Good luck to you, unless that means winning on a terrible ref call.

    If turnovers are even I don't see how you win this game. But turnovers happen so we can definitely be humbled if we don't take care of the football.


    It's a must win for the division title, not so much for the playoffs. If Seattle loses, their division hopes are probably gone, but we still have games against the Eagles, Rams, Panthers, and Vikings who are all the major WC contenders in the NFC.


    ...and if they win things get REAL interesting with the schedule getting pretty tough for both teams.


    Well, if the Hawks beat the 49ers in San Fran, let me just say, those other 4 games feel far less daunting.
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Re: Seahawks at Niners 11/11...
Wed Nov 06, 2019 5:08 pm
  • Maulbert wrote:
    Marvin49 wrote:
    Maulbert wrote:
    Ezekiel38 wrote:Will be interesting to see if Week 17 still matters for the seeding even if the NFC West is wrapped up. The game in New Orleans on 12/8 will be epic.

    First things first though...have to beat Seattle on Monday night. Lose that game and everything is up in the air, including the division. This is a must win for both teams, although probably more so for the Seahawks considering the NFC playoff picture and their upcoming gauntlet of a schedule.

    Can't wait for Monday night. You guys can shut us up for sure if you prove you can beat us at home on 11 days rest. Good luck to you, unless that means winning on a terrible ref call.

    If turnovers are even I don't see how you win this game. But turnovers happen so we can definitely be humbled if we don't take care of the football.


    It's a must win for the division title, not so much for the playoffs. If Seattle loses, their division hopes are probably gone, but we still have games against the Eagles, Rams, Panthers, and Vikings who are all the major WC contenders in the NFC.


    ...and if they win things get REAL interesting with the schedule getting pretty tough for both teams.


    Well, if the Hawks beat the 49ers in San Fran, let me just say, those other 4 games feel far less daunting.


    This makes a lot of sense. If you beat us in SF, you are legit. If you lose those other 4 games will likely feel very daunting as the NFC is super competitive and a wild card is not even assured at 7-3 with those last six games you have. All of those four games are essentially a pick em and I'll be interested how you fare against those teams. Just like people want to see us against Baltimore, and NO. I think GB just illuminated they are on a tier below the elite teams.

    And as Marvin said, the NFC West will be SUPER interesting down the stretch if you win Monday night, esp if the Rams find their form and go on a win streak of their own, while we both have a gauntlet of tough games coming up.
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Re: Seahawks at Niners 11/11...
Wed Nov 06, 2019 6:42 pm
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Re: Seahawks at Niners 11/11...
Wed Nov 06, 2019 8:08 pm
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    Interesting chart for sure. Something has got to give. If our D is as good as we are boasting, going agaisnt a better offense like the Seahawks won't matter and we can shut them down like the others. We can only play who is on our schedule. We will see if a better O can handle our pass rush. How is your Oline? If not good then I doubt your offense will be too effective.

    If not then you will be able to score effectively and the game will be super close with no advantage to one side or the other except the home field. If our pass rush does not get to Wilson then it could be a long night defensively and we can be exposed like the Pats.

    Thanks for posting. Adds even more intrigue to this game.

    Edit: Also, the Chargers completely shut down the Packers who are ranked 4th on your chart. So if they could do that I'd expect us to be able to shut them down as well. This would render this chart moot. We will see Monday.
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Re: Seahawks at Niners 11/11...
Wed Nov 06, 2019 10:24 pm
  • 94Smith wrote:
    5_Golden_Rings wrote:Anyone saying Seattle winning would be an upset is blind. There is no possible way to stop Wilson at this point. The Seahawks are good for approaching thirty points no matter what defense they play because of it. The only exception to that is if both teams successfully run the football.

    If both do not, the advantage goes to the team whose qb is better at converting crucial downs. I’m not dissing Jimmy G, who has been plenty clutch, but come on... have you watched Wilson this year? Whatever advantage the 49ers have in overall roster is completely offset by Wilson.


    Wilson has been playing at an MVP level, but the 49ers have been playing MVP defense. Their DVOA is still at historic levels, their PPG is 12.8 and this is the best pass rush Wilson has faced.

    Meanwhile the Seahawks D is ranked 27th in DVOA and is allowing 25.6 PPG.

    Not to mention this is home game for the 49ers with extra games rest... our run blockers are coming back and having Juice back is huge for the run game

    There is a reason the 49ers are favoured by 6 and it will indeed be an upset if the Seahawks win. That is the definition of an upset... not saying it will never happen but 49ers win this game 7 times out of 10.

    The 49ers defense has been playing very well most of the year, but it just lost Kwon, who could have been very useful against Wilson.
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Re: Seahawks at Niners 11/11...
Thu Nov 07, 2019 2:13 am
  • 5_Golden_Rings wrote:49ers fans are more of a national fanbase. There are probably more 49er fans in Seattle than Santa Clara.


    I'm sure your Canadian girlfriend is indeed as lovely as she appears in the pictures of the catalog you break out to show all the doubters.

    5_Golden_Rings wrote:Nice twisting of what I said. What was I comparing the baseline to? Santa Clara. The wine and cheese elite don’t really care about sports. The tickets are already bought and paid for, but by who? Rich turds who thought the licenses were a wise financial investment, or a good social investment status, not fans. That is why they pay the money and either don’t show up or hang out in the comfortable restaurants areas. Where this Candlstick and the home of the cholos, you wouldn’t see this.


    So what you're saying is that the people in the city where the 49ers actually play are so terrible that they buy up all the tickets so no one else can, and then don't go to the games, forcing their own team to play in front of a half-empty stadium? Jeez, talk about openly sabotaging your own "investment."

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Re: Seahawks at Niners 11/11...
Thu Nov 07, 2019 7:30 am
  • Ezekiel38 wrote:Interesting chart for sure. Something has got to give. If our D is as good as we are boasting, going agaisnt a better offense like the Seahawks won't matter and we can shut them down like the others.


    The 49ers defense is going to regress in the second half of the year, likely partially because of the quality of offenses it's playing against, but also because it's very unlikely that the 49ers defense this year is the best defense in the history of the NFL.

    At the same time though, who is the rube who wants to bet on Russell Wilson finishing the year at or better than 44 TDs and 2 interceptions? :lol:

    The point is both the 9ers defense and Wilson are likely to regress in the back half, but that doesn't mean either them won't finish at #1 by the time the year is over (although IIRC defensive performance is much more volatile than QB play, so we had to choose we'd have to guess that the #1 QB halfway through the season is more likely to finish at #1 than the #1 defense in the same scenario).
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Re: Seahawks at Niners 11/11...
Thu Nov 07, 2019 7:35 am
  • Giedi wrote:Agree. I think the decision was made by Kyle this season to stop the pass first - hence the wide 9.


    They're running the wide 9 because they hired Kris Kocurek as the d-line coach, and that's what Kocurek does.

    They hired Kocurek because after he was let go with the rest of Adam Gase's staff Saleh brought Kocurek's name to Shanahan and said that he wanted him.

    From all of their offseason moves I think it's obvious that they recognized the pass rush as an issue, but the scheme change is a story about Saleh more than it's a story about Shanahan (who just went along with it).
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Re: Seahawks at Niners 11/11...
Thu Nov 07, 2019 9:35 am
  • Well that's just peachy. Sigh.

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Re: Seahawks at Niners 11/11...
Thu Nov 07, 2019 9:57 am
  • From NFL.com:

    The 36-year-old Gould has struggled this season, connecting on just 13 of 20 field-goal attempts, putting him on pace for a career-low 65 percent. Gould has made all 26 of his extra-point tries.

    Vinitieri is 71 percent for comparison.

    Methinks that both teams are gonna try for more than usual 4 and 3s on MNF.
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Re: Seahawks at Niners 11/11...
Thu Nov 07, 2019 11:17 am
  • SantaClaraHawk wrote:From NFL.com:

    The 36-year-old Gould has struggled this season, connecting on just 13 of 20 field-goal attempts, putting him on pace for a career-low 65 percent. Gould has made all 26 of his extra-point tries.

    Vinitieri is 71 percent for comparison.

    Methinks that both teams are gonna try for more than usual 4 and 3s on MNF.


    He has struggled a bit this year, but I think more than a little of that was replacement long snappers (they went through like 3) who were filling in for suspended regular long snapper and rookie holder (P Mitch Wichnowski).

    Regular Longsnapper is back...just in time for kicker to be hurt. LOL.
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Re: Seahawks at Niners 11/11...
Thu Nov 07, 2019 11:33 am
  • Popeyejones wrote:
    Giedi wrote:Agree. I think the decision was made by Kyle this season to stop the pass first - hence the wide 9.


    They're running the wide 9 because they hired Kris Kocurek as the d-line coach, and that's what Kocurek does.

    They hired Kocurek because after he was let go with the rest of Adam Gase's staff Saleh brought Kocurek's name to Shanahan and said that he wanted him.

    From all of their offseason moves I think it's obvious that they recognized the pass rush as an issue, but the scheme change is a story about Saleh more than it's a story about Shanahan (who just went along with it).

    My understanding about Kocurek was that he gave Kyle a whole bunch of problems with his offense when he played against a Kocurek coached defense -- with (I think) the Lions and possibly the Dolphins. Because of that he was a fan of Kocurek's philosophy which isn't that far removed from Monte Kiffen's attacking gap penetration style (a la Seifert/Carroll 4-3 under). So when Kocurek became available Kyle decided to upgrde the DLine position - specially when the DLine squad wasn't performing up to snuff. But what do I know, I'm just a fan. :mrgreen:
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Re: Seahawks at Niners 11/11...
Thu Nov 07, 2019 11:36 am
  • Marvin49 wrote:
    SantaClaraHawk wrote:From NFL.com:

    The 36-year-old Gould has struggled this season, connecting on just 13 of 20 field-goal attempts, putting him on pace for a career-low 65 percent. Gould has made all 26 of his extra-point tries.

    Vinitieri is 71 percent for comparison.

    Methinks that both teams are gonna try for more than usual 4 and 3s on MNF.


    He has struggled a bit this year, but I think more than a little of that was replacement long snappers (they went through like 3) who were filling in for suspended regular long snapper and rookie holder (P Mitch Wichnowski).

    Regular Longsnapper is back...just in time for kicker to be hurt. LOL.

    Well, from what I understand - it's not a season ending or career ending injury, thank god. :D He could be back in a week or possibly more, but hopefully he'll be ready and healthy if we make the playoffs.
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Re: Seahawks at Niners 11/11...
Thu Nov 07, 2019 11:40 am
  • bmorepunk wrote:
    5_Golden_Rings wrote:Anyone saying Seattle winning would be an upset is blind. There is no possible way to stop Wilson at this point. The Seahawks are good for approaching thirty points no matter what defense they play because of it. The only exception to that is if both teams successfully run the football.

    If both do not, the advantage goes to the team whose qb is better at converting crucial downs. I’m not dissing Jimmy G, who has been plenty clutch, but come on... have you watched Wilson this year? Whatever advantage the 49ers have in overall roster is completely offset by Wilson.


    The confidence level is not high for either fan base right now, apparently. Things are a little weird right now.

    FiveThirtyEight model has this at about a 70% SF win. That seems right with the SF defense playing as well as it has been and the record and the home field.


    I think that makes the most sense.

    While the Seattle offense, specifically Wilson, is a level about the 9ers, their defense is several levels above the Hawks. It will take a monumental effort by Wilson, one we can all imagine. However, it will also take something unexpected from the defense.

    I can see this looking a bit like the two Rams games last season, where the Hawks D makes enough plays to keep it close, but not like the game this year where they gave the Seahawks a better than 50-50 shot at winning
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Re: Seahawks at Niners 11/11...
Thu Nov 07, 2019 11:49 am
  • Giedi wrote:
    Popeyejones wrote:
    Giedi wrote:Agree. I think the decision was made by Kyle this season to stop the pass first - hence the wide 9.


    They're running the wide 9 because they hired Kris Kocurek as the d-line coach, and that's what Kocurek does.

    They hired Kocurek because after he was let go with the rest of Adam Gase's staff Saleh brought Kocurek's name to Shanahan and said that he wanted him.

    From all of their offseason moves I think it's obvious that they recognized the pass rush as an issue, but the scheme change is a story about Saleh more than it's a story about Shanahan (who just went along with it).

    My understanding about Kocurek was that he gave Kyle a whole bunch of problems with his offense when he played against a Kocurek coached defense -- with (I think) the Lions and possibly the Dolphins. Because of that he was a fan of Kocurek's philosophy which isn't that far removed from Monte Kiffen's attacking gap penetration style (a la Seifert/Carroll 4-3 under). So when Kocurek became available Kyle decided to upgrde the DLine position - specially when the DLine squad wasn't performing up to snuff. But what do I know, I'm just a fan. :mrgreen:


    We're both just fans. :D

    In how it came about I was paraphrasing this, published ealier this week:

    Adding Kris Kocurek. Niners DC Robert Saleh and Kocurek, who’d been Miami’s d-line coach in 2018) had a relationship through common friends Frank Bush, Tony Oden and Martin Mayhew. And Kocurek was available, after Adam Gase was fired as Dolphins coach. Saleh brought the idea to Kyle Shanahan. Shanahan hired him, and the rest is history.


    https://www.si.com/nfl/2019/11/04/russe ... eek-9-mmqb
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Re: Seahawks at Niners 11/11...
Thu Nov 07, 2019 1:47 pm
  • Boy, this day is a bundle of joy. LOL.

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Re: Seahawks at Niners 11/11...
Thu Nov 07, 2019 2:08 pm
  • Marvin49 wrote:Boy, this day is a bundle of joy. LOL.



    Kittle murdered us last year. I don't wish injury on anyone, but I wouldn't mind if it held him out.
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Re: Seahawks at Niners 11/11...
Thu Nov 07, 2019 2:33 pm
  • Kittle is the singleost important on the entire team. That includes QB. I'm not being hyperbolic.
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Re: Seahawks at Niners 11/11...
Thu Nov 07, 2019 3:15 pm
  • Ezekiel38 wrote:
    Fade wrote:


    Interesting chart for sure. Something has got to give. If our D is as good as we are boasting, going agaisnt a better offense like the Seahawks won't matter and we can shut them down like the others. We can only play who is on our schedule. We will see if a better O can handle our pass rush. How is your Oline? If not good then I doubt your offense will be too effective.

    If not then you will be able to score effectively and the game will be super close with no advantage to one side or the other except the home field. If our pass rush does not get to Wilson then it could be a long night defensively and we can be exposed like the Pats.

    Thanks for posting. Adds even more intrigue to this game.

    Edit: Also, the Chargers completely shut down the Packers who are ranked 4th on your chart. So if they could do that I'd expect us to be able to shut them down as well. This would render this chart moot. We will see Monday.


    Whut??????

    Seattle has never had a good O-Line with Wilson under center. He has been the best QB ever when throwing under pressure. Both in his full body of work, and this season.

    That is his game, it's kind of what he does.







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    Take note of the O-Line Ranking.

    To beat Wilson you have to get him on the ground, pressuring him is not good enough, he kills defenses otherwise.
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Re: Seahawks at Niners 11/11...
Thu Nov 07, 2019 3:40 pm

Re: Seahawks at Niners 11/11...
Thu Nov 07, 2019 3:59 pm
  • SantaClaraHawk wrote:Kittle was a DNP today, he is day to day

    https://www.ninersnation.com/2019/11/7/ ... kle-issues


    Yeah, if he's not a go on Monday that's a tall order. Not only is he their leading receiver, so much of their running game is wrapped up in him.
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Re: Seahawks at Niners 11/11...
Thu Nov 07, 2019 4:26 pm
  • That Arizona field, man. It's like there's a curse there for divisional rivals.

    I really questioned them letting Kittle go back in after the hit. You could see even with the presumed Torodol on board that he was playing hurt--winced just watching him.

    Anyway with Gould I wonder if something's going on other than a short-term injury.

    Here are his 2019 stats: https://www.pro-football-reference.com/ ... drob01.htm

    Their LS came back for Carolina, I believe, but he's only been used for one FGA since then.
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Re: Seahawks at Niners 11/11...
Thu Nov 07, 2019 4:29 pm
  • SantaClaraHawk wrote:That Arizona field, man. It's like there's a curse there for divisional rivals.

    I really questioned them letting Kittle go back in after the hit. You could see even with the presumed Torodol on board that he was playing hurt--winced just watching him.


    I'd love to blame the turf, but had more to do with Chandler Jones helmet.
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Re: Seahawks at Niners 11/11...
Thu Nov 07, 2019 4:40 pm
  • On our side, looks like Josh Gordon might not be the insta-plug-and-play that Sanders has been:

    https://www.nbcsports.com/bayarea/49ers ... rroll-says

    But that target might not be ready to suit up for Seattle on Monday night against the 49ers. Wide receiver Josh Gordon's status still is up in the air, as of Thursday.

    "Some teams would just throw him out there," Seahawks coach Pete Carroll said Thursday in a phone conference with Bay Area reporters. "We're not doing that. We like our guys and all that. We'd love to see if he can complement and help us. We don't know [his status] yet."
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Re: Seahawks at Niners 11/11...
Thu Nov 07, 2019 5:10 pm
  • SantaClaraHawk wrote:On our side, looks like Josh Gordon might not be the insta-plug-and-play that Sanders has been:

    https://www.nbcsports.com/bayarea/49ers ... rroll-says

    But that target might not be ready to suit up for Seattle on Monday night against the 49ers. Wide receiver Josh Gordon's status still is up in the air, as of Thursday.

    "Some teams would just throw him out there," Seahawks coach Pete Carroll said Thursday in a phone conference with Bay Area reporters. "We're not doing that. We like our guys and all that. We'd love to see if he can complement and help us. We don't know [his status] yet."



    FWIW it is to the Seahawks advantage for the 49ers to not know if Gordon will play, just as it is to the 9ers advantage for the Hawks to not know if Kittle will play.

    Who the heck knows but if I had to bet one combination I'd bet they both play and are both announced day of.
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Re: Seahawks at Niners 11/11...
Thu Nov 07, 2019 5:44 pm
  • It's crazy to me how people in the media can give Wilson credit while also under selling his potential to win games on his own. No self respecting NFL fan would delve into absolutes about a teams chances against other great QB's like Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, or even Aaron Rodgers. So why do they under sell Wilson because of the Hawks defense?

    I know, the Hawks had some nail biters against bad teams, but they won because of Wilson's ability to take over games at any time. Seattle's played 9 games, Russell's dominated 8 of them. In one of the losses Russell struggled. In the other loss, it took the defense and special teams giving up 24 points on fluky plays to keep Wilson from having a chance. But somehow he doesn't have a chance because the Niners pass rush is good and the Hawks defense sucks?

    Consider this:

    Seattle's played 3 teams in the top 5 in terms of pass rush: Wilson completed 71% of his passes for 1001 yards, 7 TDs, 0 Ints, with a QBR of 117. He was sacked 7 times.

    They've played 4 teams in the top 15 of hurries and pass defense: Wilson completed 66% of his passes for 1215 yards, 10 TDs, 1 Ints, with a QBR of 110. He was sacked 6 times.

    So... Why are people in the media acting like the Niners should absolutely win this game? Why am I seeing all of this non-sense about the Niners being a significantly better team than the Hawks? Look they might be, but it's only week 10, and a Niners loss leaves them with only a half game lead over the Hawks.

    I don't get it... If you only listened to the media talk about this game, then you'd think the Hawks were a 5-4 team with a plucky play-maker at QB going up against the 85 Bears, instead of a 7-2 team with a potential MVP at QB.
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Re: Seahawks at Niners 11/11...
Thu Nov 07, 2019 6:04 pm
  • knownone wrote:It's crazy to me how people in the media can give Wilson credit while also under selling his potential to win games on his own. No self respecting NFL fan would delve into absolutes about a teams chances against other great QB's like Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, or even Aaron Rodgers. So why do they under sell Wilson because of the Hawks defense?

    I know, the Hawks had some nail biters against bad teams, but they won because of Wilson's ability to take over games at any time. Seattle's played 9 games, Russell's dominated 8 of them. In one of the losses Russell struggled. In the other loss, it took the defense and special teams giving up 24 points on fluky plays to keep Wilson from having a chance. But somehow he doesn't have a chance because the Niners pass rush is good and the Hawks defense sucks?

    Consider this:

    Seattle's played 3 teams in the top 5 in terms of pass rush: Wilson completed 71% of his passes for 1001 yards, 7 TDs, 0 Ints, with a QBR of 117. He was sacked 7 times.

    They've played 4 teams in the top 15 of hurries and pass defense: Wilson completed 66% of his passes for 1215 yards, 10 TDs, 1 Ints, with a QBR of 110. He was sacked 6 times.

    So... Why are people in the media acting like the Niners should absolutely win this game? Why am I seeing all of this non-sense about the Niners being a significantly better team than the Hawks? Look they might be, but it's only week 10, and a Niners loss leaves them with only a half game lead over the Hawks.

    I don't get it... If you only listened to the media talk about this game, then you'd think the Hawks were a 5-4 team with a plucky play-maker at QB going up against the 85 Bears, instead of a 7-2 team with a potential MVP at QB.


    Again....perception is a funny thing.

    All I hear is that the Saints are the best team in the NFC despite the fact that the 49ers are undefeated and have the best point differential (+133) in the NFC. The Saints are +39 and have a loss. Oh wait, they lost Brees so thats why they are the best...but they have one of the best backup QBs in the NFL. The Niners were playing their 4th and 5th tackles, neither of whom had played an NFL down, for over a month and kept winning handily.

    All I hear is, "yeah, but they haven't played anyone". They played 2 5-3 teams and without playing the Niners they'd have been 5-2. Guess what? If they didn't lose to the Niners, the Steelers would have a winning record. Nobody takes into account that the records of those teams INCLUDES LOSSES TO THE 49ERS. This is why every single year people look at strength of schedule at the end of the year and are always like "well of course they played well, they had an easy schedule". Sigh. Sorry...pet peeve. Teams that win a lot will ALWAYS have a lower strength of schedule. Its math. LOL.

    I see ESPN analysts saying the Seahawks will win because the 49ers haven't played anyone, yet if you look at common opponents with the Seahawks the margins of victory aren't even close. The Seahawks are 1-2 against teams with a winning record and the one win required a missed field goal. Why don't I hear "who have they played"? They played the Ravens and Saints...and lost. How is that somehow better than not having played them yet and why do the Panthers and Rams decisive wins (71-20 combined score) get glossed over?

    This is not to make the argument that what you see and is bugging you isn't valid. I actually agree with you. The point is that its all relative and we are all ultra sensitive to it. There are no absolutes, but I think the "respect" argument is DRASTICALLY an issue of perspective.
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Re: Seahawks at Niners 11/11...
Thu Nov 07, 2019 6:23 pm
  • Marvin49 wrote:Well that's just peachy. Sigh.


    Watch the game come down to a 50-yard field goal attempt by SF, lol. (And no, the 'lol' is not laughing at your injured kicker, it's laughing at the idea of that scenario happening for a backup kicker.)
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Re: Seahawks at Niners 11/11...
Thu Nov 07, 2019 7:09 pm
  • knownone wrote:
    Consider this:

    Seattle's played 3 teams in the top 5 in terms of pass rush: Wilson completed 71% of his passes for 1001 yards, 7 TDs, 0 Ints, with a QBR of 117. He was sacked 7 times.

    They've played 4 teams in the top 15 of hurries and pass defense: Wilson completed 66% of his passes for 1215 yards, 10 TDs, 1 Ints, with a QBR of 110. He was sacked 6 times.


    You see the 9ers are the greatest pass rushing team of all-time. They took down Case Kennum, Andy Dalton, and Jared Goff. So what do you think they are going to do to Wilson? And I know they actually haven't even faced a top half of the league QB yet, but 49ers fans told me since Wilson doesn't have a good O-Line he doesn't stand a chance.

    So those pesky, factual numbers about Wilson tearing up top flight pass rushing units in spite of his trash line, and even though he has done it over his entire career, it means nothing.

    As he hasn't face the GOAT Niners yet!! LOL.
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Re: Seahawks at Niners 11/11...
Thu Nov 07, 2019 7:37 pm
  • Fade wrote:
    Ezekiel38 wrote:
    Fade wrote:


    Interesting chart for sure. Something has got to give. If our D is as good as we are boasting, going agaisnt a better offense like the Seahawks won't matter and we can shut them down like the others. We can only play who is on our schedule. We will see if a better O can handle our pass rush. How is your Oline? If not good then I doubt your offense will be too effective.

    If not then you will be able to score effectively and the game will be super close with no advantage to one side or the other except the home field. If our pass rush does not get to Wilson then it could be a long night defensively and we can be exposed like the Pats.

    Thanks for posting. Adds even more intrigue to this game.

    Edit: Also, the Chargers completely shut down the Packers who are ranked 4th on your chart. So if they could do that I'd expect us to be able to shut them down as well. This would render this chart moot. We will see Monday.


    Whut??????

    Seattle has never had a good O-Line with Wilson under center. He has been the best QB ever when throwing under pressure. Both in his full body of work, and this season.

    That is his game, it's kind of what he does.







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    Take note of the O-Line Ranking.

    To beat Wilson you have to get him on the ground, pressuring him is not good enough, he kills defenses otherwise.


    But where is the Franchise, not seeing Jimmy there?
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Re: Seahawks at Niners 11/11...
Thu Nov 07, 2019 8:29 pm
  • Marvin49 wrote:
    SantaClaraHawk wrote:Kittle was a DNP today, he is day to day

    https://www.ninersnation.com/2019/11/7/ ... kle-issues


    Yeah, if he's not a go on Monday that's a tall order. Not only is he their leading receiver, so much of their running game is wrapped up in him.


    These things happen in the great games. I really do hope he recovers. If not for this game, then for the one in our house. I want the best for the NFC Wiest.

    On a more personal note, some day I will go back to the realm known as Levi Stadium and would like to meet you. Went 2 years ago and it was not too bad. Stayed in Sunnyvale and hacked the WOPR and um uh nevermind...but still enjoyed my trip with riverdog. Took the rail from Lockheed station in and out. And walked a bit. I did not know that hummingbirds chirped.

    Good luck to your team Monday Night and hope for no injuries for both teams.

    I am hoping for a win for my team of course.
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Re: Seahawks at Niners 11/11...
Thu Nov 07, 2019 8:50 pm
  • Seahawkfan80 wrote:
    Marvin49 wrote:
    SantaClaraHawk wrote:Kittle was a DNP today, he is day to day

    https://www.ninersnation.com/2019/11/7/ ... kle-issues


    Yeah, if he's not a go on Monday that's a tall order. Not only is he their leading receiver, so much of their running game is wrapped up in him.


    These things happen in the great games. I really do hope he recovers. If not for this game, then for the one in our house. I want the best for the NFC Wiest.

    On a more personal note, some day I will go back to the realm known as Levi Stadium and would like to meet you. Went 2 years ago and it was not too bad. Stayed in Sunnyvale and hacked the WOPR and um uh nevermind...but still enjoyed my trip with riverdog. Took the rail from Lockheed station in and out. And walked a bit. I did not know that hummingbirds chirped.

    Good luck to your team Monday Night and hope for no injuries for both teams.

    I am hoping for a win for my team of course.


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Re: Seahawks at Niners 11/11...
Thu Nov 07, 2019 10:15 pm
  • Washington49er wrote:
    Seahawkfan80 wrote:
    Marvin49 wrote:
    SantaClaraHawk wrote:Kittle was a DNP today, he is day to day

    https://www.ninersnation.com/2019/11/7/ ... kle-issues


    Yeah, if he's not a go on Monday that's a tall order. Not only is he their leading receiver, so much of their running game is wrapped up in him.


    These things happen in the great games. I really do hope he recovers. If not for this game, then for the one in our house. I want the best for the NFC Wiest.

    On a more personal note, some day I will go back to the realm known as Levi Stadium and would like to meet you. Went 2 years ago and it was not too bad. Stayed in Sunnyvale and hacked the WOPR and um uh nevermind...but still enjoyed my trip with riverdog. Took the rail from Lockheed station in and out. And walked a bit. I did not know that hummingbirds chirped.

    Good luck to your team Monday Night and hope for no injuries for both teams.

    I am hoping for a win for my team of course.


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    Agreed.
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Re: Seahawks at Niners 11/11...
Thu Nov 07, 2019 10:18 pm
  • chris98251 wrote:
    Fade wrote:
    Ezekiel38 wrote:
    Fade wrote:


    Interesting chart for sure. Something has got to give. If our D is as good as we are boasting, going agaisnt a better offense like the Seahawks won't matter and we can shut them down like the others. We can only play who is on our schedule. We will see if a better O can handle our pass rush. How is your Oline? If not good then I doubt your offense will be too effective.

    If not then you will be able to score effectively and the game will be super close with no advantage to one side or the other except the home field. If our pass rush does not get to Wilson then it could be a long night defensively and we can be exposed like the Pats.

    Thanks for posting. Adds even more intrigue to this game.

    Edit: Also, the Chargers completely shut down the Packers who are ranked 4th on your chart. So if they could do that I'd expect us to be able to shut them down as well. This would render this chart moot. We will see Monday.


    Whut??????

    Seattle has never had a good O-Line with Wilson under center. He has been the best QB ever when throwing under pressure. Both in his full body of work, and this season.

    That is his game, it's kind of what he does.







    Image
    Take note of the O-Line Ranking.

    To beat Wilson you have to get him on the ground, pressuring him is not good enough, he kills defenses otherwise.


    But where is the Franchise, not seeing Jimmy there?


    Also not seeing any QBs with a run game that averages 171 yards per game or the leagues #1 defense.

    Despite that, 70.8 Comp%, 13TDs, 7INTs, a 100.6 QB Rating, 69.1 QBR...and an 8-0 record. :D
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Re: Seahawks at Niners 11/11...
Thu Nov 07, 2019 11:05 pm
  • Marvin49 wrote:
    chris98251 wrote:
    Fade wrote:
    Ezekiel38 wrote:
    Interesting chart for sure. Something has got to give. If our D is as good as we are boasting, going agaisnt a better offense like the Seahawks won't matter and we can shut them down like the others. We can only play who is on our schedule. We will see if a better O can handle our pass rush. How is your Oline? If not good then I doubt your offense will be too effective.

    If not then you will be able to score effectively and the game will be super close with no advantage to one side or the other except the home field. If our pass rush does not get to Wilson then it could be a long night defensively and we can be exposed like the Pats.

    Thanks for posting. Adds even more intrigue to this game.

    Edit: Also, the Chargers completely shut down the Packers who are ranked 4th on your chart. So if they could do that I'd expect us to be able to shut them down as well. This would render this chart moot. We will see Monday.


    Whut??????

    Seattle has never had a good O-Line with Wilson under center. He has been the best QB ever when throwing under pressure. Both in his full body of work, and this season.

    That is his game, it's kind of what he does.







    Image
    Take note of the O-Line Ranking.

    To beat Wilson you have to get him on the ground, pressuring him is not good enough, he kills defenses otherwise.


    But where is the Franchise, not seeing Jimmy there?


    Also not seeing any QBs with a run game that averages 171 yards per game or the leagues #1 defense.

    Despite that, 70.8 Comp%, 13TDs, 7INTs, a 100.6 QB Rating, 69.1 QBR...and an 8-0 record. :D


    You list 7 picks like that's a good thing.
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Re: Seahawks at Niners 11/11...
Thu Nov 07, 2019 11:31 pm
  • Seahawk Sailor wrote:
    5_Golden_Rings wrote:49ers fans are more of a national fanbase. There are probably more 49er fans in Seattle than Santa Clara.


    I'm sure your Canadian girlfriend is indeed as lovely as she appears in the pictures of the catalog you break out to show all the doubters.

    5_Golden_Rings wrote:Nice twisting of what I said. What was I comparing the baseline to? Santa Clara. The wine and cheese elite don’t really care about sports. The tickets are already bought and paid for, but by who? Rich turds who thought the licenses were a wise financial investment, or a good social investment status, not fans. That is why they pay the money and either don’t show up or hang out in the comfortable restaurants areas. Where this Candlstick and the home of the cholos, you wouldn’t see this.


    So what you're saying is that the people in the city where the 49ers actually play are so terrible that they buy up all the tickets so no one else can, and then don't go to the games, forcing their own team to play in front of a half-empty stadium? Jeez, talk about openly sabotaging your own "investment."


    No. They usually either go to the games or sell the tickets to opposing fan bases. When they do attend, if it’s hot and they’re on the visitor’s side (where the sun hits), they’ll vanish with their friends who don’t also don’t care about the 49ers into the shaded restaurant areas.

    Like I said, this wasn’t a problem in San Francisco, even in the Erickson/Nolan/Tomsula years, where the annoying cholos and other non-one percenters could afford tickets and transportation.
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Re: Seahawks at Niners 11/11...
Fri Nov 08, 2019 12:13 am
  • Maulbert wrote:
    Marvin49 wrote:
    chris98251 wrote:
    Fade wrote:
    Whut??????

    Seattle has never had a good O-Line with Wilson under center. He has been the best QB ever when throwing under pressure. Both in his full body of work, and this season.

    That is his game, it's kind of what he does.







    Image
    Take note of the O-Line Ranking.

    To beat Wilson you have to get him on the ground, pressuring him is not good enough, he kills defenses otherwise.


    But where is the Franchise, not seeing Jimmy there?


    Also not seeing any QBs with a run game that averages 171 yards per game or the leagues #1 defense.

    Despite that, 70.8 Comp%, 13TDs, 7INTs, a 100.6 QB Rating, 69.1 QBR...and an 8-0 record. :D


    You list 7 picks like that's a good thing.


    It is, if it’s the “Golden boy”. He can do nothing wrong in many Niners trolls eyes.
    He has “no fatal flaws” according to some. He’s 8-0, some snowflake Niner trolls bellow.... reality: thanks to the defense.
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