Selective officiating

cymatica · Nov 28, 2019

Seriously tired of officials deliberately looking the other way on blatent penalties for certain teams. Josh Allen slides down and gets drilled. Of course the Cowboys get the benefit of the doubt. Wish there was at least some consistency

Threedee · Nov 28, 2019

cymatica":2bzayqsh said:
Seriously tired of officials deliberately looking the other way on blatent penalties for certain teams. Josh Allen slides down and gets drilled. Of course the Cowboys get the benefit of the doubt. Wish there was at least some consistency

Frozen Tundra is less cool than the Confederacy's Team, I guess.

UK_Seahawk · Nov 28, 2019

At one point in the Bill's game even Romo was embarrassed. He had to say something something tripping something last week something.

Uncle Si · Nov 28, 2019

Reffing is just inconsistent, that's about it.

sdog1981 · Nov 28, 2019

Officials are human and don't like to be booed. Home teams get the calls, even the Seahawks. RoBo ref in the 2030's is going to hurt some feelings.

pmedic920 · Nov 28, 2019

Uncle Si":16fr4nhc said:
Reffing is just inconsistent, that's about it.

Yep. Humans and subjective rules.
Consistency is almost impossible.

I’d like to see the NFL remove some of the “subjectiveness”.
You broke the rule or didn’t, otherwise “let’em play”

IMHO, there’s too many rules designed to “protect the investment”.
The NFL can afford to take care of players the suffer career ending injuries.

cymatica · Nov 29, 2019

I understand the inconsistency of most judgement calls, but a qb sliding and getting drilled has always been an automatic flag. There was no subjectivity in that hit, the player dove into a sliding Josh Allen well after he initiated the slide.

The only logical reason for that missed call is the ref deliberately holding the flag even though he knew it was a penalty. That particular call went beyond the realm of just a mistake.

ivotuk · Nov 29, 2019

The worst are when a referee throws a flag because it looked like a penalty. If you don't see the hands actually holding a guy, don't throw a flag because the DL threw his arm in the air and fell over!

Uncle Si · Nov 29, 2019

cymatica":1n4opbde said:
I understand the inconsistency of most judgement calls, but a qb sliding and getting drilled has always been an automatic flag. There was no subjectivity in that hit, the player dove into a sliding Josh Allen well after he initiated the slide.

The only logical reason for that missed call is the ref deliberately holding the flag even though he knew it was a penalty. That particular call went beyond the realm of just a mistake.

Not really.. he missed it.

Even Romo pointed out the refs line of sight.

chris98251 · Nov 29, 2019

The Saints game where the Lineman got a interception and he stiff armed him yet the trailer got a flag for block in the back.

Uncle Si · Nov 29, 2019

chris98251":25yj63mq said:
The Saints game where the Lineman got a interception and he stiff armed him yet the trailer got a flag for block in the back.

was it a block in the back?

chris98251 · Nov 29, 2019

Uncle Si":2tfmlgw0 said:
chris98251":2tfmlgw0 said:

The Saints game where the Lineman got a interception and he stiff armed him yet the trailer got a flag for block in the back.

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was it a block in the back?

No he didn't even get there, he was stiff armed ,by the D lineman. In fact it was on The QB Matty Ice.

hawksfansinceday1 · Nov 29, 2019

This will be the 3rd forum here I've posted this in but it belongs on this thread as well......

Yesterday I saw a perfect example of how utterly inconsistent and often terrible NFL officiating is. Watching the Bears v. Lions T-giving morning and a Lions' punt coverage guy drilled a Bears' punt returner a split second after the returner caught the punt. No fair catch and as should be, no penalty on the tackler. Remember that the Seahawks got the ass end of a HORRIBLE call in exactly the same situation against the 9ers when our coverage guy was called for a penalty for doing pretty much exactly the same thing. Only difference in the play in this game was that the Lions' guy lead with his helmet though not to the returner's head. Our guy made a perfect form tackle and was called for a penalty.

That penalty on Seattle that night is a perfect example of a situation where a Sky Judge could've told the onfield ref that there was no penalty and to pick up the flag. Of course then the league would have to pay 16 Sky Judges a week and you know, they're hurting for money so guess they can't do that.

Screw the NFL for refusing to care about the quality of its officiating.

Uncle Si · Nov 29, 2019

hawksfansinceday1":fcrgl6x4 said:
This will be the 3rd forum here I've posted this in but it belongs on this thread as well......

Yesterday I saw a perfect example of how utterly inconsistent and often terrible NFL officiating is. Watching the Bears v. Lions T-giving morning and a Lions' punt coverage guy drilled a Bears' punt returner a split second after the returner caught the punt. No fair catch and as should be, no penalty on the tackler. Remember that the Seahawks got the ass end of a HORRIBLE call in exactly the same situation against the 9ers when our coverage guy was called for a penalty for doing pretty much exactly the same thing. Only difference in the play in this game was that the Lions' guy lead with his helmet though not to the returner's head. Our guy made a perfect form tackle and was called for a penalty.

That penalty on Seattle that night is a perfect example of a situation where a Sky Judge could've told the onfield ref that there was no penalty and to pick up the flag. Of course then the league would have to pay 16 Sky Judges a week and you know, they're hurting for money so guess they can't do that.

Screw the NFL for refusing to care about the quality of its officiating.

Much different than "selective officiating" as some conspiracy theorists want to believe.

It's not as bad as people want to believe it to be. It's almost impossible to be right all the time, across the hundreds of plays in 16 games per week.

Unless you want to stop every play and look for the errors

hawksfansinceday1 · Nov 29, 2019

Uncle Si":1nisy8kl said:
hawksfansinceday1":1nisy8kl said:

This will be the 3rd forum here I've posted this in but it belongs on this thread as well......

Yesterday I saw a perfect example of how utterly inconsistent and often terrible NFL officiating is. Watching the Bears v. Lions T-giving morning and a Lions' punt coverage guy drilled a Bears' punt returner a split second after the returner caught the punt. No fair catch and as should be, no penalty on the tackler. Remember that the Seahawks got the ass end of a HORRIBLE call in exactly the same situation against the 9ers when our coverage guy was called for a penalty for doing pretty much exactly the same thing. Only difference in the play in this game was that the Lions' guy lead with his helmet though not to the returner's head. Our guy made a perfect form tackle and was called for a penalty.

That penalty on Seattle that night is a perfect example of a situation where a Sky Judge could've told the onfield ref that there was no penalty and to pick up the flag. Of course then the league would have to pay 16 Sky Judges a week and you know, they're hurting for money so guess they can't do that.

Screw the NFL for refusing to care about the quality of its officiating.

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Much different than "selective officiating" as some conspiracy theorists want to believe.

It's not as bad as people want to believe it to be. It's almost impossible to be right all the time, across the hundreds of plays in 16 games per week.

Unless you want to stop every play and look for the errors

Sky Judge would get rid of many of the inconsistencies. There's down time between every play and thus an opportunity to call down and have flags thrown or picked up. I never said it would make it 100% correct, never going to happen. But plays like the one I outlined above and the abomination in the Saints v. Rams NFCCG last year would be corrected.

knownone · Nov 29, 2019

The NFL has a real problem on their hands if people start digging into the data on how much officiating determines the outcome of games. Not saying it's rigged or anything, but from a superficial analysis of the data it would appear that officiating has, on average, about half the impact on the outcome of games as special teams. Now, on the surface that doesn't seem significant, but in a league where the average game is decided by 3 points it can easily be the difference between a win or a loss.

We know the NFL both assigns crews to games and gives them tape on what penalties to emphasize in those games. So in theory you could facilitate a scenario where you can steer games without anyone on the field being implicated.

chris98251 · Nov 29, 2019

The problem is all the new rules that are subjective in nature and can be skewed by an angle or a second of time.

hawksfansinceday1 · Nov 29, 2019

With gambling becoming increasingly legal all across the country I think they're going to have to address the problem and make it better and more consistent. Ratings and interest will wane if people think officiating is having an undue influence on the outcomes of games regardless of whether they think games are being steered or just think it's a result of poor performance and said people are losing money as a result.

To lose money cuz the team you wagered on got beat/didn't cover "fair and square" is far more palatable than something like what happened in the NFCCG costing one hard earned cash.

Uncle Si · Nov 29, 2019

chris98251":2xkk3ey4 said:
The problem is all the new rules that are subjective in nature and can be skewed by an angle or a second of time.

thats also a huge part of it.Look at holding for example

RolandDeschain · Nov 29, 2019

Confirmation bias is a well-known phenomenon. Anyone thinking all officiating gaffes are only innocent mistakes is being ignorant. When an official knows player X is known for holding, or DPI, or whatever; they are more likely to notice/see it on them subconsciously. There isn't some big conspiracy in favor of a few select teams or against most other teams. That being said, it doesn't mean there aren't unintentional factors which do have an influence.

I think part of the problem is that the game has gotten too fast to track accurately. Players are bigger, stronger, and faster with each passing year. Human eyes aren't getting better, on the other hand. More evidence that we need to computerize officiating as much as possible.

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