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Kyle Shanahan helped George Kittle draw penalty vs. Packers

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  • The second detail is the fact Shanahan dialed up that play, knowing what matchup he’d get and how the corner would respond. Kittle is a load, and the 5-11, 185-pound Redmond wasn’t going to be able to legally stick with the play if the tight end put a body on him. If the corner doesn’t interfere, Kittle makes the catch and turns the corner and might wind up taking several Packers for a ride the way he did to the Saints in New Orleans

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    I'm sure he saw this when reviewing film, maybe the Seahawks/Packers game.
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  • Imagine how nice it must be to scheme for mismatches and specific match ups.
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  • Well, I imagine he got that information from watching the Green Bay Packers playoff version of defense, and seeing what they were doing against the Tight End.

    My guess is he probably saw that happening in our game, and was able to use it in his, by calling the exact same, or similar play that we used, then telling the referee ahead of time.

    But Shanahan has become a rare, play calling coach that will probably be successful for a long time. But, it took him years to get here. Look at how many jobs he's been in and out of over his career.

    If we're lucky, Schotty starts hitting his stride. And actually, I think he is doing just that. Our offense is steadily improving. All we need is an offensive line to put it over the top.

    Our problem towards the end of the season was, we had a piecemeal OLine.
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  • ivotuk wrote:Well, I imagine he got that information from watching the Green Bay Packers playoff version of defense, and seeing what they were doing against the Tight End.

    My guess is he probably saw that happening in our game, and was able to use it in his, by calling the exact same, or similar play that we used, then telling the referee ahead of time.

    But Shanahan has become a rare, play calling coach that will probably be successful for a long time. But, it took him years to get here. Look at how many jobs he's been in and out of over his career.

    If we're lucky, Schotty starts hitting his stride. And actually, I think he is doing just that. Our offense is steadily improving. All we need is an offensive line to put it over the top.

    Our problem towards the end of the season was, we had a piecemeal OLine.

    Not at all, the meal went to the homeless we had kibbles and bits for a O line.
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  • ivotuk wrote:My guess is he probably saw that happening in our game, and was able to use it in his, by calling the exact same, or similar play that we used, then telling the referee ahead of time.

    But Shanahan has become a rare, play calling coach that will probably be successful for a long time. But, it took him years to get here. Look at how many jobs he's been in and out of over his career.

    If we're lucky, Schotty starts hitting his stride.


    You make it sound like Shanahan is some grizzled vet and Schotty is some young buck who is rising through the ranks.

    They have the same number of years of experience as offensive coordinators.
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  • Popeyejones wrote:
    ivotuk wrote:My guess is he probably saw that happening in our game, and was able to use it in his, by calling the exact same, or similar play that we used, then telling the referee ahead of time.

    But Shanahan has become a rare, play calling coach that will probably be successful for a long time. But, it took him years to get here. Look at how many jobs he's been in and out of over his career.

    If we're lucky, Schotty starts hitting his stride.


    You make it sound like Shanahan is some grizzled vet and Schotty is some young buck who is rising through the ranks.

    They have the same number of years of experience as offensive coordinators.

    Shanahan served under his father who was calling many of the shots in Washington DC. After that tenure he was part of the dysfunctional Browns. He quit that job after disagreeing with Johnny Manziel just being handed the starting role. He was then promptly picked up by the Falcons.

    Shanahan really has not had much NFL experience, if we consider the fact that his dad was calling most of the shots in Washington DC. Schottenheimer has been in the NFL was an offensive coordinator starting in 2006 to 2011 under Rex Ryan. He was once again the coordinator under Fischer for the Rams from 2012 - 2014. In 2015 he was the Georgia coordinator and was promptly fired. For about a year he was a QB coach for the Colts, then once again he was hired as a coordinator for the Seahawks.

    There is no comparison between Schottenheimer and Shanahan. Schottenheimer is a tired retread and Shanahan is a dynamic coach on the offensive side of the ball that is a relative newcomer to the NFL. Schottenheimer has been in the NFL for longer and has accomplished much less.

    What is Schottenheimer's deal? He is a rank and file guy. Defensive coaches love him because he is a guy that will always tow the line. Ryan, Fischer and Carroll all have or have had strict ideas of what they wanted their offense to look like. Schottenheimer is an offensive coordinator that won't question, he will simply do and execute the plan. This is exactly what someone like Carroll wants. He can assert control over the offense and not hear a peep from Schottenheimer. Someone like Shanahan on the other hand was pretty outspoken. He straight up quit a job because he didn't believe in his HC's decision making.

    Schottenheimer is not the worst OC in the world given his constraints. He's shown some creativity, some of the best called Seahawk games under Carroll have been under Schottenheimer's tutelage. It's just that Schottenheimer is a yes boss sort of guy. He threw away much of his playbook and adopted Carroll's offense when he got hired (Carroll said 70 percent of the playbook is his). Schottenheimer also is the type of guy that will do whatever the HC tells him to do and not question. There is a story where under Rex Ryan Schottenheimer kept running the ball. Each time they kept getting stuffed and the team was losing, Rex came up to Schotteheimer and asked him what the deal was. Schottenheimer answered "you wanted to run the ball X amount of times coach". Rex replied "do you want to win the game or do you want to achieve an arbitrary number of rushes?" Schottenheimer dialed up a passing attack and won the game. This story is the perfect illustration of who Schottenheimer is and the reason why Carroll immediately hired him without any other consideration given to anyone else. It is both why he keeps landing jobs despite doing a mediocre job, and it is why he is a mediocre offensive coordinator. He doesn't question, he just does.
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