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 Post subject: Re: Revis Available? Flynn bait?
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Could see Tampa Bay showing interest here.


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Revis is the T.O./Chad Ochocinco of Dbacks. We don't need that kind of primadona on this team. Not worth the headaches.

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It baffles me that anybody would be against a move like this.

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Could see Tampa Bay showing interest here.


That's a good call.


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It baffles me that anybody would be against a move like this.


I'm against it.....
Unless its the single free agency option available.
Lets spend our money on the most important position on defense.....pass rushers.....much better idea!


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joeshaney wrote:
JSeahawks wrote:
It baffles me that anybody would be against a move like this.


I'm against it.....
Unless its the single free agency option available.
Lets spend our money on the most important position on defense.....pass rushers.....much better idea!


6 million is a bargain for somebody like Revis. We could afford to do both.

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The Jets are a circus, holy hell did they go down hard. Good Luck Idzik!

Who has the worst QB contract situation, Arizona, Buffalo, NY Jets, or Kansas City?

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JSeahawks wrote:
joeshaney wrote:
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It baffles me that anybody would be against a move like this.


I'm against it.....
Unless its the single free agency option available.
Lets spend our money on the most important position on defense.....pass rushers.....much better idea!


6 million is a bargain for somebody like Revis. We could afford to do both.


You know what....for a one year rent a player on a Superbowl run it wouldn't be the worst idea.
I wouldn't be mad at all. Still think resigning jam, signing Melton, and also one of the better pass rushers.


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If this trade actually did happen somehow, and John Schneider wasn't the unanimous executive of the year in 2013, it would only be because the press thinks Seattle is in Russia somewhere and therefore ineligible for postseason awards.


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Revis is a free agent after the 2013 season and has a no franchise tag clause in his contract and will want 10-13 million a year. It would be a luxury while having the legion of boom.

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The Battle #83 wrote:
Revis is a free agent after the 2013 season and has a no franchise tag clause in his contract and will want 10-13 million a year. It would be a luxury while having the legion of boom.


Yes, but if its a luxary we can afford and we want to maximize our Superbowl chances...why not??
Also, the salary cap impact would be revis contract minus Flynn's.

Furthermore, if the move doesn't pay off we can let him walk and gain the salary cap relief at that time.
Revis being in a contact year means good things for his projected performance.

I've changed my mind.....what could Flynn be traded for that improves our Superbowl chances more than revis would?

Still would be suprised if the jets went for it.


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For arguements sake, if the choice was Revis or a top 3 tech DT which way do you go?

Jay Ratliff, Dallas Cowboys

They also need a back up for Romo.

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Idzik is the key. If he's a fan of Flynn, he might want to trade for him. Especially since he is comfortable with Schneider from their time in the FO together.

This definitely would not be a straight Flynn for Revis trade, but I bet the conversation could be started. But how Idzik feels about Flynn is the key.

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For arguements sake, if the choice was Revis or a top 3 tech DT which way do you go?

Jay Ratliff, Dallas Cowboys

They also need a back up for Romo.


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But not jay


Why not, he got a DWI, so what, makes his value a bit less and the trade more balanced and it's with a team that could use Flynn and a top DT, your not going to find a lot of match ups for this trade. This is one that is feasable and meets needs and the Cowboys are deep on the D line.

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Because revis would be more impactful than the 31 year old Ratliff whose production is on the decline. The dwi isn't the breaker, but it doesn't help.

Not that I wouldn't trade Flynn for Ratliff, but revis is a better deal and we would still have enough to land the top St in free agency. I'd much prefer Melton over Ratliff. Add revis and a solid draft and wow.


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6 mill a year? Hell yeah.

Cut Red Bryant, put anyone else there, and give me Revis!

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Because revis would be more impactful than the 31 year old Ratliff whose production is on the decline. The dwi isn't the breaker, but it doesn't help.

Not that I wouldn't trade Flynn for Ratliff, but revis is a better deal and we would still have enough to land the top St in free agency. I'd much prefer Melton over Ratliff. Add revis and a solid draft and wow.


Were looking at trades we have DB's if we can get Ratliff at Salary: 4.875 million USD (2012)

or so we already have the best secondary, we draft kids and have a good DT that can pressure inside while they get NFL ready. Revis is a one year deal.

Ratliff’s sack totals the last five seasons: 7.5, 6.0, 3.5, 2.0, 0.

Ratliff’s salaries due the next five seasons: $5 million, $5.5 million, $7 million, $7.5 million and $10 million.

He's improved every year and while a long term deal is in place we may be able to re negotiate that and get shorter contract or something also.

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5 and a half sacks in 3 years vs revis is no contest.
Revis by a landslide. His contract is more cap friendly too.


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Why not get DRC who is a FA and will be had for a LOT less after being misused in philly for 2 years. He's 6'2", had decent ball skills and is a MUCH better fit for a press man system that we run compared to the zone heavy scheme philly had been running. He is also what, 26 years old.

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Revis at 6 million? Guaranteed holdout. How many times has Revis threatened/actually held out of camp? Whoever gets him is going to break the bank on a contract extension, and if you think that is us with all the deals looming for 2014 you are nuts.

Otherwise, great idea.

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Sherman and Revis? You'll never throw on us!

All my fears of Browner getting torched would go out the window too, its a win/win!

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Wow. I saw a blip that they were considering trading Revis. My immediate instinct was to trade for Flynn, and I scoot over here to post only to find three pages of discussion of the exact same idea.

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One reason I haven't seen in all this discussion IN FAVOR of making a trade would be to keep teams like the 49ers from getting Revis. That wouldn't be a primary reason, but still the ghastly thought of it.

John Schneider would not hang the team out to dry to get a Flynn for Revis trade done. No matter how any trade for Revis goes down... the Jets are not in the best position with him, either to risk losing him for nothing the following year. He cannot be franchised. It's going to be tough for the Jets to trade him coming off an injury no matter who the suitor might be. Per Schefter... the Jets would get a 3rd round comp pick if Revis walks after next season. Probably smart of them (Idzik) to see what they might fetch. But, I don't think their going to be able to demand as much as being reported. It's like none of the factors ($, injuries) are being considered realistically and they start talking about a young, never injured Darrelle Revis. There will be teams that would pull the trigger, even for a year. In talking about Flynn... it's a glass if half empty to minimize the potential for that trade. For the Jets to get their potential starting QB for years to come. Calling him a "journeyman" is a bit of a stretch. Just two teams - and there's a very specific story there. Flynn isn't just a "journeyman". He's a good QB that was traded to a team to be the guy... until. Forget all that Kolb comparison garbage, too. Flynn is a gamer. He just never had the chance to show that on the Field in Seattle (thank God). Seattle would not give up "multiple picks". They would be taking just as much a chance as the Jets. I'm not trying to "overvalue" Flynn here... but, as good as Mr. Island is when healthy (and young with years ahead. He's not exactly "old" - 6th/7th year, but when injuries factor in- well, there you go)... what about over-valuing a guy who has mileage no matter how great he has been?

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Revis at 6 million? Guaranteed holdout. How many times has Revis threatened/actually held out of camp? Whoever gets him is going to break the bank on a contract extension, and if you think that is us with all the deals looming for 2014 you are nuts.

Otherwise, great idea.


Disagree. Due to having sat out last year he's not in the best position to hold out. I mean, theoretically I could understand why he might want to, but would anyone be threatened he would miss any games? For him to ride the pine for two straight years as he ages through the short life of an NFL career with questions remaining about his ability to return from injury the same player he was before. It might be career suicide or at least ruin his chances at his big pay day next year.


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One of the best (arguably the best when healthy) cornerbacks in the NFL for a 28-year old QB with two career starts. LOL! We are going to have to chip in a draft pick. A second round pick at least.

If this move did happen though, it would be damn near impossible to pass on the Seahawks with Sherman/Revis (the two best CB's in the league) and one of the best Free Safeties (Earl Thomas). Oh and we'd also have one of the hardest hitting strong safeties (Kam) who could potentially play LB in some packages too. Then there is Brandon Browner, who is talented in his own right.

The Seahawks would have the best secondary in the NFL. Hands down. Potentially the best secondary the NFL has seen in decades.. Then we're looking at Bobby Wagner improving from an already spectacular rookie season. KJ Wright, who is a stud and then Leroy Hill/Malcolm Smith. One who's aging but can hold his own and the other who seems to be an underrated or up-and-coming linebacker. However you'd like to look at it.

The only thing we'd have to concentrate on is the defensive line. Move Red Bryant to the middle, and rotate him in with the DT's (he's just too slow for a DE). Bryant could take some of the workload off Mebane and Branch, if we can't find a high talent balanced DT who can pass rush and stop the run. Then the only position in question is DE. Hoping that Clemons comes back healthy next season, if not, we would be in need of two Defensive Ends. Unless a miracle happens over the off-season and Irvin puts on 20 pounds of pure muscle.

Damn. I'm thinking we need more than I originally thought because there is still the offensive line that needs a little work. Well, the only set linemen are Unger and Okung, well Breno is pretty solid. So teem needs look like this:

Defensive End (x2)
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Others we could improve on: Tight-End, Defensive Tackle and depth in the trenches (both sides of the ball).

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How about Flynn + Browner for Revis if Flynn is not enough? I would argue that we have actually have a glut right now at the CB position if Thurmond gets healthy and we could spare a CB like Thurmond, Browner, or Lane.

Browner's weakness in deep coverage is tying Earl Thomas down right now. Revis would be a valuable upgrade to Browner imo b/c it would free up ET to roam the field and blitz more.

If this seems like too much for the Seahawks to give for just a one-year rental of Revis, maybe ask the Jets to throw in a promising DT/DE, which the Jets seem to be good at drafting and developing, e.g. Mo Wilkerson, Quin Coples.


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for that reason.. I would put Revis on the outside with Sherman..
Switch Browner to SS Bench Kam(who I love dearly, but his coverage is suspect I think)

for nickle.. Revis to slot, Browner to outside, Kam to Weakside LB, Guy to SS


how about, revis and sherman outside coverage, move kam to hill's spot, browner to SS, bring in thurmond maxwell for nickle .... now you're cooking with gasoline.

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joeshaney wrote:
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Revis at 6 million? Guaranteed holdout. How many times has Revis threatened/actually held out of camp? Whoever gets him is going to break the bank on a contract extension, and if you think that is us with all the deals looming for 2014 you are nuts.

Otherwise, great idea.


Disagree. Due to having sat out last year he's not in the best position to hold out. I mean, theoretically I could understand why he might want to, but would anyone be threatened he would miss any games? For him to ride the pine for two straight years as he ages through the short life of an NFL career with questions remaining about his ability to return from injury the same player he was before. It might be career suicide or at least ruin his chances at his big pay day next year.

I gotta agree with joeshaney on this (and pretty much, if not all said in this thread). Not saying I think this trade will absolutely happen, but I could see JS being able to work with Idzik on this. I think Revis might be getting more interested in getting a championship at this point, too - especially with recovering from injury and the thought of something like that ending his career earlier than hoped. How would he not want to join an already great Defense and elite group of DB's on a team that will be in serious contention for a Super Bowl Championship? We're in a great position. We don't have to make this trade. The Jets fans or media might want to talk about what they would be losing... forgetting what they would be gaining.

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For arguements sake, if the choice was Revis or a top 3 tech DT which way do you go?

Jay Ratliff, Dallas Cowboys

They also need a back up for Romo.


Didn't he just get charged with a DUI? Also, I doubt JS would trade Flynn to be a backup on another team.


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joeshaney wrote:
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Revis at 6 million? Guaranteed holdout. How many times has Revis threatened/actually held out of camp? Whoever gets him is going to break the bank on a contract extension, and if you think that is us with all the deals looming for 2014 you are nuts.

Otherwise, great idea.


Disagree. Due to having sat out last year he's not in the best position to hold out. I mean, theoretically I could understand why he might want to, but would anyone be threatened he would miss any games? For him to ride the pine for two straight years as he ages through the short life of an NFL career with questions remaining about his ability to return from injury the same player he was before. It might be career suicide or at least ruin his chances at his big pay day next year.


I am talking about next year. Revis wants top 5 money. Not top 5 cornerback, top 5 in the league. Like Drew Brees money. He has a no holdout clause in his last deal, but there is also a no franchise player clause in that deal. Trade for him, you better have a long term deal worked out already, because if you don't, you just signed him for one year only.

I think there is zero chance these guys want to give Revis 15 mil or more per year to play cornerback. That is about what he is going to demand.

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Scottemojo wrote:
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Revis at 6 million? Guaranteed holdout. How many times has Revis threatened/actually held out of camp? Whoever gets him is going to break the bank on a contract extension, and if you think that is us with all the deals looming for 2014 you are nuts.

Otherwise, great idea.


Disagree. Due to having sat out last year he's not in the best position to hold out. I mean, theoretically I could understand why he might want to, but would anyone be threatened he would miss any games? For him to ride the pine for two straight years as he ages through the short life of an NFL career with questions remaining about his ability to return from injury the same player he was before. It might be career suicide or at least ruin his chances at his big pay day next year.


I am talking about next year. Revis wants top 5 money. Not top 5 cornerback, top 5 in the league. Like Drew Brees money. He has a no holdout clause in his last deal, but there is also a no franchise player clause in that deal. Trade for him, you better have a long term deal worked out already, because if you don't, you just signed him for one year only.

I think there is zero chance these guys want to give Revis 15 mil or more per year to play cornerback. That is about what he is going to demand.


If his play warrants 15 million a year in free agency next year, what does that say about our Superbowl odds?
If he bolts on a 15 million dollar contract after next year, the compensatory pick we would get would likely justify the Flynn trade anyway.


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I don't really see the sense in giving up significant draft picks for Revis on a one-year rental coming off ACL surgery. In the event that he does play up to his reputation next season, he's going to demand a ridiculous contract that would compromise Seattle's young depth going forward. The edges are not where the Seahawks are weak. I don't see why you roll the dice on a potential upgrade. What happened to all those people who wanted to build for the future and not move all-in on one season?

Plus, this defense has built its identity around a big secondary. Yeah, Revis is an incredible individual talent, but there are psychological and on-field benefits of having size at DB that the Seahawks definitely capitalize on.

Edit: And you're nuts if you think the Jets would let go of Revis for Flynn straight up. Absolutely nuts. I don't care if you think they can rationalize it. They would be absolutely torched by their fanbase and the national media for making that deal.


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I am talking about next year. Revis wants top 5 money. Not top 5 cornerback, top 5 in the league. Like Drew Brees money. He has a no holdout clause in his last deal, but there is also a no franchise player clause in that deal. Trade for him, you better have a long term deal worked out already, because if you don't, you just signed him for one year only.

I think there is zero chance these guys want to give Revis 15 mil or more per year to play cornerback. That is about what he is going to demand.


If his play warrants 15 million a year in free agency next year, what does that say about our Superbowl odds?
If he bolts on a 15 million dollar contract after next year, the compensatory pick we would get would likely justify the Flynn trade anyway.


I don't think you are getting it. No team is trading for Revis unless they work out a long term deal as part of the trade. Sure, you could trade for him just to have him for 2013 for 6 mil, and then just let him hit free agency, but that would be nuts. He will want 15 million plus for 2013, not 6 million. At least that much.

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 Post subject: Re: Revis Available? Flynn bait?
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Revis is the T.O./Chad Ochocinco of Dbacks. We don't need that kind of primadona on this team. Not worth the headaches.



Since when is Revis a primadonna? What are you basing this off of?

We may already have the biggest in the league in Sherman.


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Shermans a primadonna? he can act like a jackass at times.. but not a primadonna.. no way you can put sherman in the same catagory as TO or Ocho

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Shermans a primadonna? he can act like a jackass at times.. but not a primadonna.. no way you can put sherman in the same catagory as TO or Ocho



You can if you're putting Revis there.


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If you have Revis and SHerman back there..

Perhaps that alleviates some need for pass rush and we can instead find DL's that can really stop the run forcing them to pass.
Might be cheaper to find run stoppers at the DL level.

This will also help contain any mobile qb's, from scrambling.
just a thought.


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Browner and Flynn for Revis and Tebow


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Scottemojo wrote:
joeshaney wrote:
Scottemojo wrote:

I am talking about next year. Revis wants top 5 money. Not top 5 cornerback, top 5 in the league. Like Drew Brees money. He has a no holdout clause in his last deal, but there is also a no franchise player clause in that deal. Trade for him, you better have a long term deal worked out already, because if you don't, you just signed him for one year only.

I think there is zero chance these guys want to give Revis 15 mil or more per year to play cornerback. That is about what he is going to demand.


If his play warrants 15 million a year in free agency next year, what does that say about our Superbowl odds?
If he bolts on a 15 million dollar contract after next year, the compensatory pick we would get would likely justify the Flynn trade anyway.


I don't think you are getting it. No team is trading for Revis unless they work out a long term deal as part of the trade. Sure, you could trade for him just to have him for 2013 for 6 mil, and then just let him hit free agency, but that would be nuts. He will want 15 million plus for 2013, not 6 million. At least that much.


I DO get it....just disagree.
I would have no problem with bringing him in and potentially losing him the following year. Not that I would want to lose him, but bringing him in for a superbowl run and risking losing him the following year doesn't bother me one bit.
A superbowl is the only thing that matters to me.
If that means that Revis only plays in Seattle one year and then we get a 3rd round compensatory pick I would be happy as a clown.
What MORE than that do you expect for Flynn???

That being said, I don't see the Jets doing this, but if they would it's without question that you pull the trigger.


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Bobblehead wrote:
If you have Revis and SHerman back there..

Perhaps that alleviates some need for pass rush and we can instead find DL's that can really stop the run forcing them to pass.
Might be cheaper to find run stoppers at the DL level.

This will also help contain any mobile qb's, from scrambling.
just a thought.


Or you could bring in revis and a bunch of pass rushers and laugh at opposing teams as our defense scores more points than their offense :lol:


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