Hawks would fare better investing money elsewhere.

I agree to an extent but who's to say they still can't invest money elsewhere? It seems like people on the board are in the either/or camp. Teams can get pretty creative with contracts so its not impossible to land Revis and still upgrade the d-line and other areas through free agency and the draft. I'm not saying its easy or even probable but its possible. So I guess I agree that we should probably pass on Revis if they do get them I would be lying if I said I woulnd't be excited.

I wouldn't put a whole ton of stock in these reports. I'd contend this is just Schneider doing his due diligence -- he's made no bones about the fact that they will always be out there and in on everything. And furthermore, I'd also go on the record as saying that Revis's addition could potentially be disastrous for Seattle.

There are some definite alternatives to Revis in the FA Market (page down to the Corner section) ...

http://www.seahawks.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=64833

yeah and im "highly interested" in acquiring season tickets... doesnt make either affordable

This has had a long run on the main forum, I think its time for it too to go to the NFL Forum as its pure speculation from not completely trusted sources.

Can Revis play 3-tech?

I just don't see any glaring urgency for the Seahawks in this move.

Yes, Revis would be a considerable upgrade over Browner. But you know who else would be a considerable upgrade over Browner and worth the higher contract? Browner paired with a pass rush. Seattle's CB tandem has already reached the point where they can shut down elite receivers, did so much of the year and achieved the #1 scoring defense. It also failed to stifle elite QB's nearly enough to survive against them in the playoffs. We all saw the Falcons loss coming, and it wasn't because of Browner. Give a QB enough time, and no secondary will be effective.

Quibble over the $16m/yr figure and the "two elite DB's for the price of 1.5" all you like, but Revis is going to be expensive and the primary problem on the defense not solved. Throw in PC/JS's talent at scouting late-round defensive backs, and the clear implication for me is that Revis is not where this FO should be throwing its money, no matter how clever they can be at it.

MontanaHawk05 wrote:Quibble over the $16m/yr figure and the "two elite DB's for the price of 1.5" all you like

In fairness I only made that point to show it was affordable and what the benefit of such a deal would be, not as a caveat for why they should make a trade.

T-Sizzle wrote:

"We usually try not to move Pro Bowl players to different positions," - John Schneider

this isn't madden.

JS is a straight shooter, but he was being coy there and the word "usually" is his way of avoiding future "bullshitter" accusations. JS himself admitted that Mark Barron was a strong consideration at #12. If they draft Barron, they are moving Kam. At the very least, they'd be moving him to the big nickle spot but I'm sure LB would be a strong consideration (OLB gets a lot more more playing time than Nickle DB, and they'd want Kam on the field as much as possible).

theENGLISHseahawk wrote:In fairness to the $16m and $60m guaranteed talk... that isn't happening. It's more than likely his agent setting the bar high and deliberately plucking an unlikely figure out of the air.

The highest paid corner in the NFL earned $11m this year (Champ Bailey). I suspect anything that tops that for a player coming off ACL surgery will get it done. Mario Williams only got $50m guaranteed as a non-ACL suffering free agent. I'd guestimate he'll be looking to earn over $40m in four years, which you could front load to put him at around $7m in the key years when Seattle needs to re-sign its young talent.

Not that I'm 100% behind this trade... I just think financially it's do-able.

Convincing Revis that he's worth 4/40 is going to be very challenging if you want to sign him before he hits open free agency. Revis is overshooting, but he has incredible leverage if he's traded. He can't be franchised. He'd be one of the biggest free agents on the open market ever. If you spend a 1st round pick to bring Revis in you do not want to see Revis entering free agency the next year. It would be a disaster to trade major draft capital for just 1 (ACL impacted) Revis season. I think Revis has about as much a chance of signing a 4/40 extension before FA as the House Republicans would of voting for a repeal of the 2nd amendment.

Or to put it another way, I think Revis' extravagant demands telegraph his intentions to hit UFA. He's basically setting the bar extremely high and then saying "that's what it's going to take to keep me from free agency."

The more I think about this situation, the more Revis looks like a rental. How much do you pay for one season of Revis (coming off an ACL)? I think a 3rd rounder would be as high as I'd go. Obviously, the Jets will get way more than that, but it will probably be a mistake for the buyer when Revis insists on hitting FA in 2014.

theENGLISHseahawk wrote:

MontanaHawk05 wrote:Quibble over the $16m/yr figure and the "two elite DB's for the price of 1.5" all you like

In fairness I only made that point to show it was affordable and what the benefit of such a deal would be, not as a caveat for why they should make a trade.

Fair enough. But is it really affordable in light of the many future contracts coming up? We've got a ton of defensive talent to re-up.

I think it's affordable if you want to do it because you want Revis and buy into the argument that lends itself to making the deal. Personally I'd rather sign Randy Starks and be aggressive in the draft.

So would I.

Do it only if it obviously makes sense... for the right value, you do this. But there is no reason to go over board for Revis

Ok here's the initial thought on what it would take to get him based on a artical from PFT that has a inside source so to speak.

They’re going to ask for two [first-round picks],’’ the source said, which coincidentally is the same package they got for receiver Keyshawn Johnson 13 years ago. “It’s going to take probably a first and a third [round pick] and salary . . . picking up the money end of it is a big consideration as well. Maybe a throw-in seventh-round pick depending on how well he does.’’

If Revis finds out he's not quite as fast as he once was due to the injury, you might see him specifically look for a team to sign him to a big contact this year, since that would be the smart move considering the risk of potentially falling big-time if he thinks he might not be the same CB, as he'd have to showcase his skills this coming season to get the gigantic contract in FA.

The Seahawks are 'highly interested' by default whether you're in the CFL, in college, an RB with character issues, or one of the best CBs in the league. How truly interested can we be? We have no idea, and that's the point of the way we operate.

I don't see anything wrong with a 1 year rental....
so long as it only costs Flynn and a 3rd rounder or so.

anything more and im not interested.
in fact, i would rather not negotiate a contract. let him determine his own value while we go on a superbowl run. i he plays like a 15 million$ player we will win the superbowl and all is worth it (even if he walks and all we're left with is a 3rd round compensatory pick and a championship.

"They’re going to ask for two [first-round picks],’’ the source said, which coincidentally is the same package they got for receiver Keyshawn Johnson 13 years ago. “It’s going to take probably a first and a third [round pick] and salary . . . picking up the money end of it is a big consideration as well. Maybe a throw-in seventh-round pick depending on how well he does.’’

This is what they are rumored to be asking for a 1 year rental.

This is called stupid trades 101 for any GM that does it.

chris98251 wrote:"They’re going to ask for two [first-round picks],’’ the source said, which coincidentally is the same package they got for receiver Keyshawn Johnson 13 years ago. “It’s going to take probably a first and a third [round pick] and salary . . . picking up the money end of it is a big consideration as well. Maybe a throw-in seventh-round pick depending on how well he does.’’

This is what they are rumored to be asking for a 1 year rental.

This is called stupid trades 101 for any GM that does it.

agreed. whatever gm does this is a loser. Two 1sts....bwahaahahahaa

No thank you. Too much risk with his recent injury history and new found diva attitude. Shortly after holding out and getting his new contract, he said he would consider holding out again. Then he has hamstring problems because he held out and missed camp. Now there are rumors he wants 16 million a year? Not worth the risk and that us too much money for one player who is not a QB.

Revis is NOT a team player, I want him nowhere near my Seahawks.

chris98251 wrote:"They’re going to ask for two [first-round picks],’’ the source said, which coincidentally is the same package they got for receiver Keyshawn Johnson 13 years ago. “It’s going to take probably a first and a third [round pick] and salary . . . picking up the money end of it is a big consideration as well. Maybe a throw-in seventh-round pick depending on how well he does.’’

This is what they are rumored to be asking for a 1 year rental.

This is called stupid trades 101 for any GM that does it.

Actually, a 1st and a 2.

I can see a 1st and Flynn. Wouldn't be stupid trade either if it means Superbowl.
With Sherman and Revis, you have eliminated opposing air attack, leaves you free to drop more around the LOS and your variables of what you can do would be awesome. All your passing would be funneled down the middle in ET territory.. end game.

Any GM that doesn't give it a looksie is called stupid.

It would be a dumb move for the jets.

I see so many suggestions that packaging flynn with a pick will somehow get you revis or fitz. Those are two of the best players in the league and somehow we are going to get them for matt flynn? You want revis or fitz, you're going to need to package an Earl Thomas.

We are Super bowl contenders now, there is no gaurentees you make it no matter how you stack your team up. Our biggest issue was internal pass rush. Trade away the top end of your draft for your back up QB your top two picks for a big mouth injured not cleared to play yet CB that is marginally better then what you already have.

This organazation is building to make several runs at a Super Bowl not be one and done.

Basis4day wrote:It would be a dumb move for the jets.

I see so many suggestions that packaging flynn with a pick will somehow get you revis or fitz. Those are two of the best players in the league and somehow we are going to get them for matt flynn? You want revis or fitz, you're going to need to package an Earl Thomas.

I think this (and not Revis's contratct) summarizes the whole situation.
If you are correct, which you very likely may be, than this whole Revis thing is not even worth discussing.

However, if for whatever reason the Jets are "highly interested" in Matt Flynn (which though you doubt IS possible) than Revis is worth talking about. That still doesn't mean this is the right move, but if a superbowl is goal A, B and C than we should at least conversate with the Jets to see what kind of a deal it would take to get Revis.

I wouldn't even trade a first rounder, but if perhaps a 3rd, Flynn, and a player with potential (such as Jeremy Lane) could get the job done than I don't see how you don't make this move.

I would not make that deal if I were the Jets, but would not give much more than that if I were the Hawks.

chris98251 wrote:We are Super bowl contenders now, there is no gaurentees you make it no matter how you stack your team up. Our biggest issue was internal pass rush. Trade away the top end of your draft for your back up QB your top two picks for a big mouth injured not cleared to play yet CB that is marginally better then what you already have.

This organazation is building to make several runs at a Super Bowl not be one and done.

Good point, but your making Revis sound like chopped liver.
That's way off base, but your point is still solid.
I would not send any first round picks for Revis and that likely takes us out of the equation. If it does not, however, this deal is still worth considering. No doubt.

Until he returns to the form before injury he isn't better then anyone we have. Thats the biggest question. I don't think you take a flier on a guy that may be two years away from being back up to speed at his cost and at the disruption of chemistry.

Peyton manning.

Not exactly apples and apples, but not apples and cucumbers either.

There is a long history of players with knee injuries not being back to from until the second year, they are asking to trade him as is now before they have to pay his roster bonus. Manning took 1 1/2 years plus to come back, Peterson was an enigma and did something that was not projected. A player that relies completly on his burst, speed, change of direction and stress on ligements to do all those things is a gamble that isn't necessary for this team.

He could be 100 percent, but do you discard a full house hoping to draw a straight flush?

chris98251 wrote:There is a long history of players with knee injuries not being back to from until the second year, they are asking to trade him as is now before they have to pay his roster bonus. Manning took 1 1/2 years plus to come back, Peterson was an enigma and did something that was not projected. A player that relies completly on his burst, speed, change of direction and stress on ligements to do all those things is a gamble that isn't necessary for this team.

He could be 100 percent, but do you discard a full house hoping to draw a straight flush?

No, but if you have 5 aces and a pair of 2's you could trade an ace and you 2's for a couple of kings....
ok....i think it just got weird....lol

If this were the old seahawks.... maybe, but I feel like this team has more potential than what Reevis could bring. I am happy with our DB situation.

bestfightstory wrote:Flynn and Browner or Lane (Jets choice) and our 2nd for Revis and the Jets 3rd.

IF and I repeat.... IF we are interested. That is what we are offering. You know it as well as I do.

jets will probably get 2 1st round draft picks for Revis and they need a lot more than 1 or 2 players they are self destructing worse each year... (I would say I hate it if it wasn't for the fact I love watching them IMPLODE.. be like you guys watching the 49ers implode lol)

You guys dont need him and he would ruin your cap

if Browner expects a pro-bowler type contract when he resigns, the trade starts to make more sense as I don't think he's anywhere near that kind of value

bigcc wrote:if Browner expects a pro-bowler type contract when he resigns, the trade starts to make more sense as I don't think he's anywhere near that kind of value

No, but he should probably seek A LOT more than his current contract.

I"m not sure on this Revis,
But I do know, you have Revis and Sherman

You have something that is unheard of in the NFL, No one had ever had these two type of shutdown players in the same backfield and with ET back for safty YOU do not have a threat of Outside receivers at all.
YOu have just eliminated the passing in a passing league.

Bobblehead wrote:I"m not sure on this Revis,
But I do know, you have Revis and Sherman

You have something that is unheard of in the NFL, No one had ever had these two type of shutdown players in the same backfield and with ET back for safty YOU do not have a threat of Outside receivers at all.
YOu have just eliminated the passing in a passing league.

Even the best CB's get burned. It happens. The league is also trending towards pass catching TE's. It wasn't your traditional #1 Wide receiver threat that burned us in the passing game. It was slot receivers and TEs.

As much as a Madden like fantasy as this is, it's just not going to happen.

Basis4day wrote:

Bobblehead wrote:I"m not sure on this Revis,
But I do know, you have Revis and Sherman

You have something that is unheard of in the NFL, No one had ever had these two type of shutdown players in the same backfield and with ET back for safty YOU do not have a threat of Outside receivers at all.
YOu have just eliminated the passing in a passing league.

Even the best CB's get burned. It happens. The league is also trending towards pass catching TE's. It wasn't your traditional #1 Wide receiver threat that burned us in the passing game. It was slot receivers and TEs.

As much as a Madden like fantasy as this is, it's just not going to happen.

If we do get Revis, Don't you think we will have a new answer for pass catching TE's. His name is Brandon Browner.

skater18000 wrote:

Basis4day wrote:

Bobblehead wrote:I"m not sure on this Revis,
But I do know, you have Revis and Sherman

You have something that is unheard of in the NFL, No one had ever had these two type of shutdown players in the same backfield and with ET back for safty YOU do not have a threat of Outside receivers at all.
YOu have just eliminated the passing in a passing league.

Even the best CB's get burned. It happens. The league is also trending towards pass catching TE's. It wasn't your traditional #1 Wide receiver threat that burned us in the passing game. It was slot receivers and TEs.

As much as a Madden like fantasy as this is, it's just not going to happen.

If we do get Revis, Don't you think we will have a new answer for pass catching TE's. His name is Brandon Browner.

Nope. I don't see Browner as a slot guy. It's a different position, different skill set. If by some act of God we did get Revis, i would expect Browner to be traded.

skater18000 wrote:

Basis4day wrote:

Bobblehead wrote:I"m not sure on this Revis,
But I do know, you have Revis and Sherman

You have something that is unheard of in the NFL, No one had ever had these two type of shutdown players in the same backfield and with ET back for safty YOU do not have a threat of Outside receivers at all.
YOu have just eliminated the passing in a passing league.

Even the best CB's get burned. It happens. The league is also trending towards pass catching TE's. It wasn't your traditional #1 Wide receiver threat that burned us in the passing game. It was slot receivers and TEs.

As much as a Madden like fantasy as this is, it's just not going to happen.

If we do get Revis, Don't you think we will have a new answer for pass catching TE's. His name is Brandon Browner.

I have been floating that idea for awhile now, but the performance Browner had in the playoffs suggests now is not the time to move him to a safety role. When he loses a step he can move to safety, but not yet.

skater18000 wrote:

Basis4day wrote:

Bobblehead wrote:I"m not sure on this Revis,
But I do know, you have Revis and Sherman

You have something that is unheard of in the NFL, No one had ever had these two type of shutdown players in the same backfield and with ET back for safty YOU do not have a threat of Outside receivers at all.
YOu have just eliminated the passing in a passing league.

Even the best CB's get burned. It happens. The league is also trending towards pass catching TE's. It wasn't your traditional #1 Wide receiver threat that burned us in the passing game. It was slot receivers and TEs.

As much as a Madden like fantasy as this is, it's just not going to happen.

If we do get Revis, Don't you think we will have a new answer for pass catching TE's. His name is Brandon Browner.

I think revis could slide inside with browner coming in off the bench to cover outside.

If we bring in Revis (More likely then people think, I'd say about a 20% chance) There is something to be said about...

1. Kam Chancellor's positioning (WLB or Nickle Coverage LB to cover Slower TE's and RB's)

2. Brandon Browner? ( He could play Safety in man coverage in our cover 1 situations with Earl back there, he could also play #2 CB outside in nickle situations with Revis inside as he has the speed to run with anyone and can cover anyone big or small, <--- Revis that is...)

3. Leroy and Tru (Probably can kiss Leroy and Tru goodbye, as they are are already likely to leave as it is).

4. Sherman on regular downs ( Does he move to RCB because he is a great fit at LCB already, not good to change an all pro around 2 much, but I believe the affects would be minuscule.

5. Kam Chancellors Role? (If somehow Brandon Browner is moved to SS and he moves to LB or Nickle LB and Browner becomes a great SS then what happens to Kam? Of course if he is a force at LB then he can play there but if it doesn't work out to well what does that make Kam???)

skater18000 wrote:If we bring in Revis (More likely then people think, I'd say about a 20% chance) There is something to be said about...

1. Kam Chancellor's positioning (WLB or Nickle Coverage LB to cover Slower TE's and RB's)

2. Brandon Browner? ( He could play Safety in man coverage in our cover 1 situations with Earl back there, he could also play #2 CB outside in nickle situations with Revis inside as he has the speed to run with anyone and can cover anyone big or small, <--- Revis that is...)

3. Leroy and Tru (Probably can kiss Leroy and Tru goodbye, as they are are already likely to leave as it is).

4. Sherman on regular downs ( Does he move to RCB because he is a great fit at LCB already, not good to change an all pro around 2 much, but I believe the affects would be minuscule.

5. Kam Chancellors Role? (If somehow Brandon Browner is moved to SS and he moves to LB or Nickle LB and Browner becomes a great SS then what happens to Kam? Of course if he is a force at LB then he can play there but if it doesn't work out to well what does that make Kam???)

It's just silly to speculate, but.....
I don't think anyone changes position at all.
Your points number 2 and 3 would be accurate, we still replace Leroy with a draft pick and as Revis has been known to shadow specific receivers Sherman could remain where he is.

skater18000 wrote:If we bring in Revis (More likely then people think, I'd say about a 20% chance)

I think your estimate is about 21% too high.

volsunghawk wrote:

skater18000 wrote:If we bring in Revis (More likely then people think, I'd say about a 20% chance)

I think your estimate is about 21% too high.

Since 5 teams were cited in the article as interested (NE, SF, DEN, BUF, SEA) he is assuming that we have a 1 in 5 chance.

Sorry. Not going to happen. CB is not our area of need, at all.

Revis...."hey Butthead....should I join the Sea-hawks?"

Butthead...."mmmm...a hehehe....hehehe...did you say Sea-Cocks?.....heheh...heheh

Why are we even "interested"?

Here's why:

1. Pete Carroll thinking something needs to be changed on our Defense

2. He isn't into any of the DB'S in this draft

3. He has an idea! (When Pete has his idea's he is usually prepared to pull the trigger)

4. (Maybe) He thinks Revis can be our version of Charles Woodson and a more dominant version at that. (Nickleback, Cornerback, Saftey)

Maybe you should put Madden away, he has made changes on defesne new line coach new coordinator. Our problem for the 1000000000000000000000000099th time is not our damn secondary.

How do you know he doesn't like any DB's in the draft? is there an inside source who knows someone that is whispering sweet nothings in your ear?

Woodson is a guy that was brought in to lead the secondary there. We have leaders.

Lastly until you can run and cover again you ain't dominating anything. Also you better prove it before anyone gives you 6 million a year, thats 5.5 million more then the BEST CB in the league is making.

chris98251 wrote:Maybe you should put Madden away, he has made changes on defesne new line coach new coordinator. Our problem for the 1000000000000000000000000099th time is not our damn secondary.

How do you know he doesn't like any DB's in the draft? is there an inside source who knows someone that is whispering sweet nothings in your ear?

Woodson is a guy that was brought in to lead the secondary there. We have leaders.

Lastly until you can run and cover again you ain't dominating anything. Also you better prove it before anyone gives you 6 million a year, thats 5.5 million more then the BEST CB in the league is making.

Answer this question... Why are we wasting our time if there is no trick up Pete Carroll and John Schneider's sleeves? Only reason we would do this is 2 bluff at a bidding war, which is dumb...

How do you know we are wasting any time on this?

All we know is there was some talk that we were interested. We don't know how substantial either our interest or the report are.