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The London Jaguars
Thu Jun 06, 2013 3:53 pm
  • I support Goodell in almost every thing he does. But I think this is a horrible idea. I hate it.

    A few years back if you had asked me about the likelihood of an NFL franchise in London, I'd have said, sometime in my lifetime, maybe in the next 25 years. Ask me now, and I'd say we'll see football -- American football -- being played on Sundays at Wembley Stadium within the next 10 years (possibly 5 to 7), and, yes, the Jacksonville Jaguars are the team numerous well-connected NFL people have tabbed as the most likely to land there.


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Thu Jun 06, 2013 4:37 pm
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Thu Jun 06, 2013 5:47 pm
  • It doesn't make sense until commercial rocket travel becomes viable. Also, were I putting a pro team in Europe, I would have one in Berlin or Frankfurt before I had one in London.
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Re: The London Jaguars
Thu Jun 06, 2013 7:02 pm
  • A team in London will have all the appeal of the Harlem globetrotters without the winning. Free agents will not want to sign because of the taxes, the team would likely be stateside for off season stuff and minicamp, and once the novelty wore off for Londoners and Expats, empty stadiums for a crappy ass team would make the NFL a joke in Europe.
    It takes big balls, big ego, and the ignoring of conventional wisdom to even try this move. It will define Roger. Even attempting it will define Roger. If it succeeds, it will be the start of world football. If it fails, it will be yet one more rejection of an American export by the Euros. The fact that such a proposition is even entertained by Roger is a statement of ego and hubris. Or genius. But I think hubris.
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Re: The London Jaguars
Thu Jun 06, 2013 7:28 pm
  • Its hubris.

    The typical hubris Roger has shown with player discipline and EVERYTHING else. He takes an extreme solution for every problem. Placing a franchise in London is indeed extreme. And, I personally can't wait to watch it fail.
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Re: The London Jaguars
Thu Jun 06, 2013 8:18 pm
  • Taxes can be solved through salary structure that makes adjustment

    The big issue to me is the field and travel time

    Soccer fields are different in Europe and doesn't hold up

    Travel forces a bye week. No bye weeks late in season
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Re: The London Jaguars
Thu Jun 06, 2013 8:39 pm
  • Hmm it's a tough one. NFL Europe tanked. They struggled to give free tickets away for the Scottish Claymore games (despite them being good) and they ended up moving to Germany until the league dissolved. The big reason being that it couldn't compete with soccer and rugby and most Brits thinking that football is too long.

    East coast games would be okay for travelling as it's only a 6 hour flight but West Coast games to the UK would be tough. The UK games would need to be played later so the American market could watch them.

    However, NFL is top level and a mile above NFL Europe. A team would no doubt be bigger than Jacksonville. If they were smart they would make it an English/British team to get the whole country behind the team. You would then have a full British tv market as well.

    The pound is also stronger than the dollar (will may help with free agency ) and the chance to play in one of the worlds major cities. Wembley is also a top stadium with the same turf used as Gillette stadium.
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Re: The London Jaguars
Thu Jun 06, 2013 8:40 pm
  • The only way the travel makes sense though without crazy hours is if they bring back Concorde!
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Re: The London Jaguars
Thu Jun 06, 2013 8:43 pm
  • I cant imagine any coaches wanting to coach for a team on a different continent. Or players wanting to sign there.
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Re: The London Jaguars
Thu Jun 06, 2013 9:32 pm
  • I don't like this idea very much, but on the list of things Roger has done? This wouldn't be even come close to the top of things that bother me. I rather let running backs put there shoulders down at the end of a run. I like how I have had to work 3 stories up in the air with little to no safety. where people have lost there ability to work and function. I have had to log on mountain sides where again people have lost there ability to work and function. Yet these mighty "goliaths" men among men cant take a hit in the mouth anymore. There so many jobs men have to that "risk" to make a living.

    Then these men are suppose to watch this sissy crap Roger has turned the nfl into? Football is suppose to be a forum to prove how strong, tough, smart and talented you are. Every year Roger is in charge of the nfl it becomes that less and less. Look at randy moss getting to keep his touchdown record when half of them he was pushed out of bounds. Why does he still have that record when the rules was there for 1 year and abolished. Same with tom brady and his bull tds he threw that season? Really if this is the worst you think Roger has done then unreal.
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Re: The London Jaguars
Thu Jun 06, 2013 9:35 pm
  • No you've got it all wrong, its the London Silly Nannies
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Re: The London Jaguars
Thu Jun 06, 2013 9:44 pm
  • cockeyhawk wrote:

    Then these men are suppose to watch this sissy crap Roger has turned the nfl into? Football is suppose to be a forum to prove how strong, tough, smart and talented you are. Every year Roger is in charge of the nfl it becomes that less and less. Look at randy moss getting to keep his touchdown record when half of them he was pushed out of bounds. Why does he still have that record when the rules was there for 1 year and abolished. Same with tom brady and his bull tds he threw that season? Really if this is the worst you think Roger has done then unreal.


    I don't mind the safety rules at all, in fact i'm all for them. I have no idea what you're talking about with the Randy Moss and Tom Brady stuff, so it certainly doesn't matter to me.
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Re: The London Jaguars
Thu Jun 06, 2013 9:53 pm
  • cockeyhawk wrote:I don't like this idea very much, but on the list of things Roger has done? This wouldn't be even come close to the top of things that bother me. I rather let running backs put there shoulders down at the end of a run. I like how I have had to work 3 stories up in the air with little to no safety. where people have lost there ability to work and function. I have had to log on mountain sides where again people have lost there ability to work and function. Yet these mighty "goliaths" men among men cant take a hit in the mouth anymore. There so many jobs men have to that "risk" to make a living.

    Then these men are suppose to watch this sissy crap Roger has turned the nfl into? Football is suppose to be a forum to prove how strong, tough, smart and talented you are. Every year Roger is in charge of the nfl it becomes that less and less. Look at randy moss getting to keep his touchdown record when half of them he was pushed out of bounds. Why does he still have that record when the rules was there for 1 year and abolished. Same with tom brady and his bull tds he threw that season? Really if this is the worst you think Roger has done then unreal.


    You're blaming the wrong person. Blame the NFL's Rules Committee. For as much blame as Goodell gets, a fair portion of it is unsubstantiated. Oh, and in case people don't know, the owners vote in these modified rules. Not the coaches, not Goodell.
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Re: The London Jaguars
Thu Jun 06, 2013 10:06 pm
  • Goodell forgot this is the "National Football League" not the "International Football League." What a dope. :mrgreen:
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Re: The London Jaguars
Thu Jun 06, 2013 10:12 pm
  • LOL you just said don't blame the coaches. The coaches are the nfl rules committee and they do vote. They do decide which rules go up for vote. Roger decides what gos up for the voting(to the coaches) and legal reasons dictate that. So the ball starts rolling with roger. The Ex players with there pussy, I made millions of dollars and got a concussion law suit is a lot of the problem. So in case you didn't know don't say blame the nfl rules committee and not the coaches, when then committee is full of coaches(and a few gms).
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Re: The London Jaguars
Thu Jun 06, 2013 10:24 pm
  • Most people that work in dangerous industries come to accept the pain and the risk that comes with it. Nobody can anticipate and accept the memory loss, the inability to hold on to a thought and deep depressions that is the result of the concussions and hits to the head. Wait until today's players or the ones retiring now have 10 years retirement. We will se a LOT more Junior Seau examples.

    And the RB can lower his shoulders. Read the new rules. Also read a few of the in-depth articles focusing on the families living with these former players.... Many whom did NOT make millions and can't even pay for their daily life and can't hold on to a job due to their problems.
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Re: The London Jaguars
Thu Jun 06, 2013 10:36 pm
  • cockeyhawk wrote:LOL you just said don't blame the coaches. The coaches are the nfl rules committee and they do vote. They do decide which rules go up for vote. Roger decides what gos up for the voting(to the coaches) and legal reasons dictate that. So the ball starts rolling with roger. The Ex players with there pussy, I made millions of dollars and got a concussion law suit is a lot of the problem. So in case you didn't know don't say blame the nfl rules committee and not the coaches, when then committee is full of coaches(and a few gms).


    You have no idea what you are talking about. Do a little research. Look up NFL Competition Committee, and look up NFL Owners Meeting Rule Changes. I don't have the patience of explaining it to ignorant fans. The coaches don't vote, the owners do, and the committee isn't the coaches, and Goodell doesn't vote. I give you two thumbs down :thumbdown: :thumbdown:
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Re: The London Jaguars
Thu Jun 06, 2013 10:40 pm
  • Well ok lets ship off more people to Iraq to get there legs blown off and have worst issues. We don't need sea food in the Us people die every year on the high seas. You ever take drugs illegaly, watch people getting there head chopped off in Mexico. I could go on and on and on about everyday people having to risk much more then nfl players. I don't feel bad for people that get compensated WAY WAY WAY WAY more. Probally the same person that voted for bushto have our 18 year old kids sent to Iraq in defending nothing but getting him reelected.Again these are suppose to be MEN amongst average men not cry baby pussies.
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Thu Jun 06, 2013 10:45 pm
  • cockeyhawk wrote:Well ok lets ship off more people to Iraq to get there legs blown off and have worst issues. We don't need sea food in the Us people die every year on the high seas. You ever take drugs illegaly, watch people getting there head chopped off in Mexico. I could go on and on and on about everyday people having to risk much more then nfl players. I don't feel bad for people that get compensated WAY WAY WAY WAY more. Probally the same person that voted for bushto have our 18 year old kids sent to Iraq in defending nothing but getting him reelected.Again these are suppose to be MEN amongst average men not cry baby pussies like you.


    I give you 4 thumbs down, wierdo. Lets go for 8? :thumbdown: :thumbdown: :thumbdown: :thumbdown: I wanna hear what other crazy thoughts go threw your head. I find it entertaining.
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Re: The London Jaguars
Thu Jun 06, 2013 10:45 pm
  • Have to watched the off season meeting stone cold. google the nfl competition committee and see who is on it. If you cant recognize the names then you don't know anything about that nfl. ALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL of the changes brought to the owners are voted on by nfl coaches and discussed, before proposed to the owners. ALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL of the proposals brought to the coaches in the meetings are bought up by the players unions and roger. Oh and roger decides who is on the committee as well you know he has no say in what happens in the nfl.
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Thu Jun 06, 2013 10:50 pm
  • ALLLLLLLLLLLL you say? Have to watched you say? Riddle me this Batman, how many coaches are on the Competition Committee? The players hate the rule changes but they propose them hahaha. This is hilarious.
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Re: The London Jaguars
Thu Jun 06, 2013 11:08 pm
  • cockeyhawk wrote:LOL you just said don't blame the coaches. The coaches are the nfl rules committee and they do vote. They do decide which rules go up for vote. Roger decides what gos up for the voting(to the coaches) and legal reasons dictate that. So the ball starts rolling with roger. The Ex players with there pussy, I made millions of dollars and got a concussion law suit is a lot of the problem. So in case you didn't know don't say blame the nfl rules committee and not the coaches, when then committee is full of coaches(and a few gms).


    People say this, and it irritates me to no end.

    Most of the players that are part of that suit did not make millions, as they played long before the NFL adopted free agency AND overtook baseball as America's most popular game.

    Furthermore, many players WERE mistreated by negligent coaches and team doctors that sent them back into games after they had concussions, whether mild or severe. The sort of name-calling that you engaged in within your post is part of the mentality that got these players hurt in the first place, as it is part of the culture of sports that, while I enjoy aspects of it, leads to guys doing moronic things like this to save face (or their jobs, depending on how old-school the coach is).

    Finally, it really, really, really irritates me when people act like making millions of dollars exempts you from being able to speak out if you feel that you have been mistreated.
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Thu Jun 06, 2013 11:25 pm
  • It irritates me to no end that 1000 jobs in America, and god knows how many globaly have people being abused. Everyday you wake up these people get bang in the poop shoot. I wasn't debating men getting compensated or even leaving a game when they have a concusion. If you take on a job with a inherit risk then so be it. millions of people everyday have to do it. Adverage joes from all around the world have to risk there body and life all the time. These people cant afford the legal fees to get OVER represented. IM really glad that majority of americans are willing to support rich people getting represented and treated better then the average person. When I read this dumb blind following shit it makes me sick to my stomach how you cant think for your self. Again stone cold I said coaches/managers on the competiton committee go ahead and count them. If you can count to 10 you would realize how stupid you are.
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Re: The London Jaguars
Fri Jun 07, 2013 1:11 am
  • So... back on topic...

    Would you go watch 8 Jags games if you were based abroad, simply because you happened to be there?

    Or would you opt to hand over what works out at $156 to watch every Seahawks game from your couch?

    I've watched NFL at Wembley. It's a fun night. The fans treat it as a special occasion. But they're also glued to their smartphones keeping an eye on their own team's game.
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Re: The London Jaguars
Fri Jun 07, 2013 5:59 am
  • JSeahawks wrote:I support Goodell in almost every thing he does. But I think this is a horrible idea. I hate it.

    A few years back if you had asked me about the likelihood of an NFL franchise in London, I'd have said, sometime in my lifetime, maybe in the next 25 years. Ask me now, and I'd say we'll see football -- American football -- being played on Sundays at Wembley Stadium within the next 10 years (possibly 5 to 7), and, yes, the Jacksonville Jaguars are the team numerous well-connected NFL people have tabbed as the most likely to land there.


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Fri Jun 07, 2013 7:15 am
  • Bakergirl wrote:Goodell forgot this is the "National Football League" not the "International Football League." What a dope. :mrgreen:


    Americans seem to forget this when football, baseball and basketball champions are referred to as "world champions"
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Fri Jun 07, 2013 7:31 am
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    Bakergirl wrote:Goodell forgot this is the "National Football League" not the "International Football League." What a dope. :mrgreen:


    Americans seem to forget this when football, baseball and basketball champions are referred to as "world champions"


    We just assume we would kick the shit out of the Glascow team, I guess.
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Fri Jun 07, 2013 8:33 am
  • I think the idea continues to get floated out there because Goodell wants to see someone make a push for it. I think most potential owners know that it'd be a completely futile effort (especially when L.A does not have a football team and getting one stabilized there would be FAR more lucrative), so it's something that we'll remember as, "Hey remember when Goodell kept trying to push this idea and no one wanted to do it?"
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Fri Jun 07, 2013 10:24 am
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Re: The London Jaguars
Fri Jun 07, 2013 11:29 am
  • I have been to all the Regular Season Wembley games and have bought tickets to the two forthcoming games. If there were to be three games a season I would probally go to all those as well. I do live not that far from Wembley myself, however fans do travel from all other the UK and Europe. If there were to be eight games I would consider a season ticket if the price was reasonable.

    If there was to be a team in London, another venue could be the Olympic Stadium at Stratford.
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Fri Jun 07, 2013 11:59 am
  • There's no way one team would work; travel would be beyond ridiculous. Send a bunch of teams over there and have them play each other exclusively. Create a "USA Conference" and a "European Conference", then have them play in the World Bowl.
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Fri Jun 07, 2013 12:00 pm
  • uncle fester wrote:So... back on topic...

    Would you go watch 8 Jags games if you were based abroad, simply because you happened to be there?

    Or would you opt to hand over what works out at $156 to watch every Seahawks game from your couch?

    I've watched NFL at Wembley. It's a fun night. The fans treat it as a special occasion. But they're also glued to their smartphones keeping an eye on their own team's game.


    This is my thinking. I would never switch from watching the Seahawks. For this reason, I think you would have to give a London team 10 years before you would have a legitimate fan base. Still, there is more chance of this happening in 10 years in London than 10 years in J'ville.

    People suggesting Germany as a base are ignoring the fact that US troop commitments there are presumably going to diminish. And to say players won't live in London overlooks the fact that it makes about as much sense as living in Seattle, particularly if a tax incentive was put in place. Leaving aside language, IMO the key to the NFL unlocking the world market is having a successful franchise in Asia. That would be huge.
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Fri Jun 07, 2013 12:14 pm
  • DogfaceK wrote:There's no way one team would work; travel would be beyond ridiculous. Send a bunch of teams over there and have them play each other exclusively. Create a "USA Conference" and a "European Conference", then have them play in the World Bowl.


    Basically like an expanded playoff bracket? The winner of the Super Bowl would play in the World Bowl? I'm not sure the NFL would want that.
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Fri Jun 07, 2013 12:47 pm
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    Bakergirl wrote:Goodell forgot this is the "National Football League" not the "International Football League." What a dope. :mrgreen:


    Americans seem to forget this when football, baseball and basketball champions are referred to as "world champions"


    We have by far the best leagues in those sports, so they pretty much are world champions
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Fri Jun 07, 2013 1:21 pm
  • cockeyhawk wrote:It irritates me to no end that 1000 jobs in America, and god knows how many globaly have people being abused. Everyday you wake up these people get bang in the poop shoot. I wasn't debating men getting compensated or even leaving a game when they have a concusion. If you take on a job with a inherit risk then so be it. millions of people everyday have to do it. Adverage joes from all around the world have to risk there body and life all the time. These people cant afford the legal fees to get OVER represented. IM really glad that majority of americans are willing to support rich people getting represented and treated better then the average person. When I read this dumb blind following shit it makes me sick to my stomach how you cant think for your self. Again stone cold I said coaches/managers on the competiton committee go ahead and count them. If you can count to 10 you would realize how stupid you are.


    You might want to tone it down a bit. Cursing, name-calling and disrespect toward fellow posters is frowned upon here. This is a cool community. Chill out a bit, smoke a bowl if you have to, but learn to treat your fellow posters with a bit of respect if you want to stick around.

    And as a practicing neurologist, I find your analogy lacking. Show me any other career where a "worker" faces the risk of multiple concussions per year. Outside of vehicular accidents, the most common source of TBI (traumatic brain injuries) is sports - generally football, hockey and fighting sports.

    This phenomenon was recognized many years ago in our field, and many various organizations of neurologists, neurosurgeons and other doctors have attempted to educate the American public on the very serious problems posed. We have pushed for the adoption of new rules and safety equipment to help protect athletes.

    Roger Goodell is the first professional sports commissioner to come to the medical community and ask us how to fix this problem. He is the first to seriously try to reduce the risk to his employees and protect their health. Whether this is the result of lawsuits or simply goodwill doesn't matter. Goodell has taken these steps in the face of severe criticism and even defiance from the players themselves, and my colleagues and I applaud him for his efforts.

    Your attempt to label athletes as "pussies" because of concerns about concussions is particularly ignorant. There is no way an athlete can condition themselves to avoid the long-term health effects of repeated head injuries. And if you had even the slightest knowledge of or experience with what that looks like, you would understand the foolishness of your statement.

    For instance, did you know that one of the long-term effects of multiple head injuries is uncontrollable homicidal urges and behavior? Do you have any idea how many serious murders have been committed by people suffering from brain trauma? Did you know that up to a quarter of the seriously criminally insane patients at Western State Hospital are believed to have committed their heinous crimes as the result of TBI? I think if you were exposed to even a few of these cases, it would dramatically change your view of head injuries. I wish I was allowed to describe some of the cases I've seen, the horror of those cases might quench a bit of your bloodlust and open your eyes to the real tragedy that can result.


    And to post on topic:

    It seems ludicrous to me as well that we would have a team in London. How would travel be handled? I can barely function for a week after flying to Europe, and vice-versa when I return. The only way it would work is if we had a full-fledged league in Europe, and that has already been attempted (and failed).
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Fri Jun 07, 2013 1:28 pm
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    Bakergirl wrote:Goodell forgot this is the "National Football League" not the "International Football League." What a dope. :mrgreen:


    Americans seem to forget this when football, baseball and basketball champions are referred to as "world champions"


    We have by far the best leagues in those sports, so they pretty much are world champions


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Fri Jun 07, 2013 2:50 pm
  • therealjohncarlson wrote:
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    Bakergirl wrote:Goodell forgot this is the "National Football League" not the "International Football League." What a dope. :mrgreen:


    Americans seem to forget this when football, baseball and basketball champions are referred to as "world champions"


    We have by far the best leagues in those sports, so they pretty much are world champions


    That's because no one else outside of America really plays them professionally. Soccer is pretty much the only sport that matters to the rest of the world.

    Outside of Japan and America who plays baseball? Cricket is played in countries that don't play baseball.

    Who plays professional American football outside of America? No one because everyone else plays rugby, Aussie rules or a form of football.

    Foreign players are only starting to become more common in Basketball but it would be embarrassing if America didn't win gold at the Olympics every time as know other country has a top professional league.
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Re: The London Jaguars
Sat Jun 08, 2013 1:03 am
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    Bakergirl wrote:Goodell forgot this is the "National Football League" not the "International Football League." What a dope. :mrgreen:


    Americans seem to forget this when football, baseball and basketball champions are referred to as "world champions"


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Re: The London Jaguars
Sat Jun 08, 2013 6:14 am
  • I've spent a the best part of the last decade living both in and near to London . I'm pretty sports obsessed and have been to loads of different sporting events while I've been here and would be astonished if an NFL team was ever successful here. I can not see them being able to sell anywhere near 70000 tickets for 8 games, even if they made the tickets fairly cheap. Most sports fans I know would attend once or twice as a novelty but are generally happy supporting whichever soccer (sic) or rugby team they follow and would be unlikely to invest significant time or money into another sport. I'm guessing that even the most ardent NFL fans in the UK would struggle to attend more than a couple of games a season. Especially if they inherit a rubbish team.

    I'd be willing to bet that a London team would be a disaster in almost every aspect.
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Re: The London Jaguars
Sat Jun 08, 2013 10:10 am
  • DogfaceK wrote:There's no way one team would work; travel would be beyond ridiculous. Send a bunch of teams over there and have them play each other exclusively. Create a "USA Conference" and a "European Conference", then have them play in the World Bowl.

    I agree with this but it has already been tried and failed. Goodell would be better served in getting a team back in Los Angeles and stop with this team in Europe nonsense.
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Re: The London Jaguars
Sat Jun 08, 2013 1:47 pm
  • JSeahawks wrote:I support Goodell in almost every thing he does. But I think this is a horrible idea. I hate it.

    A few years back if you had asked me about the likelihood of an NFL franchise in London, I'd have said, sometime in my lifetime, maybe in the next 25 years. Ask me now, and I'd say we'll see football -- American football -- being played on Sundays at Wembley Stadium within the next 10 years (possibly 5 to 7), and, yes, the Jacksonville Jaguars are the team numerous well-connected NFL people have tabbed as the most likely to land there.


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Re: The London Jaguars
Sat Jun 08, 2013 3:33 pm
  • I'd rather Tebow start somewhere, honestly. I mean, if Rog's into forcing things for the NFL, that's my preference.
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Re: The London Jaguars
Sat Jun 08, 2013 8:05 pm
  • I wonder how the people of London would feel about the English Premier League putting a team in New York City.
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Re: The London Jaguars
Sat Jun 08, 2013 10:11 pm
  • JSeahawks wrote:I wonder how the people of London would feel about the English Premier League putting a team in New York City.


    A lot more strongly than they would about acquiring an NFL team.

    There are countless cities in the US where the NFL would have a better chance of success and whose residents would fell more excited about acquiring a team.

    As a UK NFL fan, I believe that the NFL must stay in America. It seems so gimicky to have the league expanding to another continent. I don't think the travel is as big a deal as some do, for the other 31 teams anyway. The Super XV and Tri-Nations rugby tournaments are made up of teams from literally the whole way across the Southern Hemisphere (NZ, Australia, South Africa and Argentina), but that's not the point; the NFL should not move overseas.
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Re: The London Jaguars
Sun Jun 09, 2013 3:45 am
  • Too many references to the word 'soccer' in this thread. It's football.

    No way would I switch allegiance to a London team and most people would feel the same, don't think it would be a great success and don't want it
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Re: The London Jaguars
Sun Jun 09, 2013 8:09 am
  • I HATE, HATE, HATE the idea of a team being in Europe. That being said, if my team was playing there I'd be watching it. But really, the bottom line is travel. If the NFL makes amends for teams that have to travel over there, say having the bye week after the game, maybe I'd be okay with it. But it would SUCK big time for team in Europe to have to always travel so far for their away games.
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Re: The London Jaguars
Sun Jun 09, 2013 3:00 pm
  • Players don't want to be on a team I'm London aNymore than a good basketball player wants to be in Toronto. Maybe less.
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Re: The London Jaguars
Sun Jun 09, 2013 10:56 pm
  • My worry would be that if expansion into Europe was a success and other nations wanted NFL teams of their own, that would make non-major market NFL teams like ours more vulnerable to relocation in the short term, though I think in the long term you'd eventually see major expansion of the league (a European conference, an Asian Conference, etc. etc. to join the AFC and NFC). If it ever got that far.
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Re: The London Jaguars
Mon Jun 10, 2013 6:14 am
  • kearly wrote:My worry would be that if expansion into Europe was a success and other nations wanted NFL teams of their own, that would make non-major market NFL teams like ours more vulnerable to relocation in the short term, though I think in the long term you'd eventually see major expansion of the league (a European conference, an Asian Conference, etc. etc. to join the AFC and NFC). If it ever got that far.

    From the British fans of the NFL that I know they say it would never fly. A couple of games in London viewed as a curiousity and kind of a destination during a vacation is one thing but having a team with 8 dates a year is quite another deal. Not factoring in things like language barriers and exchange rates among just a few issues.

    It's a pipedream and Goodell knows it.
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Re: The London Jaguars
Mon Jun 10, 2013 8:11 am
  • Storts wrote:Too many references to the word 'soccer' in this thread. It's football.


    While I understand your gripe, you're also on an American football message board, and as such, football references the NFL here so we'll use the American vernacular to describe the Beautiful Game, OK?
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