Outside The Lines: Ray Rice Investigation

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It's a long read, but if you're following this case it's worth the time

Rice case: purposeful misdirection by team, scant investigation by NFL

Just hours after running back Ray Rice knocked out his then-fiancée with a left hook at the Revel Hotel Casino in Atlantic City, New Jersey, the Baltimore Ravens' director of security, Darren Sanders, reached an Atlantic City police officer by phone. While watching surveillance video -- shot from inside the elevator where Rice's punch knocked his fiancée unconscious -- the officer, who told Sanders he just happened to be a Ravens fan, described in detail to Sanders what he was seeing.

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I saw on the tickler something that changed my opinion on Harbaugh. It stated that Harbaugh wanted to cut Rice immediately and GM and Owner didn't let him.

"I told you so" just doesn't seem enough
 
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mikeak":t7ft8n5x said:
I saw on the tickler something that changed my opinion on Harbaugh. It stated that Harbaugh wanted to cut Rice immediately and GM and Owner didn't let him.

"I told you so" just doesn't seem enough

In the article that is what they are saying, basically that Harbaugh wanted to cut Rice, then after subsequent issues with other players, wanted to cut multiple players, but in the end he toed the company line.
 

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Pretty damning article. It's unfortunate that Harbaugh tried to do the right thing and was overruled. Clearly illustrates how far teams are willing to go in order to protect their business interests.

I wonder if this changes anything in SC.
 

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Wow ........ thanks for posting the link.

This story of dysfunction and coverup continues to grow.

Steve Bisciotti and Raven executives have blown away some of the cover leagues owners and executives have previously enjoyed. Raven ownership and executives come off as enablers running interference. Concurrently, it speaks well to the character of John Harbaugh.

Is it enough to spotlight the NFL as a monopoly behaving very badly? Doubt it ... more likely it will produce yet another damage control exercise with it's theater of sacrificial villains.

A collapse of confidence, trust, and integrity in the community that runs the NFL appears to continue. Is it probable that ownership now has a leadership void within it's own ranks?
 

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I lost some respect for John Harbaugh because of this whole mess but seeing now that he wanted to cut Rice has gained that respect back and then some
 

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The ravens owner a few days back pinned a ton on the prosecution in New Jersey, indicating they took their cues from the prosecution.

That report makes it plain that Rice's Lawyer was working with the president of the Ravens, Cass, and that the prosecution initially rejected leniancy, but relented when getting 30 letters from various Rice supporters, many on the Ravens, vouching for his character. Specifically, Cass wanted the diversion program because it would prevent the inside the elevator tape from ever going public.

Lying sons of bitches. The saddest part of this thing is the only honest guy in this thing is Ray Rice.
 

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Makes me look at Rice in a different light as well. The report showed that he was very remorseful for What happened and immediately sought treatment for his issues
 

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-The Glove-":231k93hk said:
Makes me look at Rice in a different light as well. The report showed that he was very remorseful for What happened and immediately sought treatment for his issues
A cynic would call that behavior merely trying to save his career.
 

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Ray Rice has now separated himself from Steve Bisciotti in publicly assuming ownership for his actions. At the moment, there is cause for real doubt that Steve Bisciotti possess the necessary strength of character and motivation to do the same.

I think it telling that the leadership failure of Steve Bisciotti and company follows so closely on the heels of Jim Irsay's long standing problems. It begs the question .............. next?
 

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-The Glove-":2zvikxb2 said:
Makes me look at Rice in a different light as well. The report showed that he was very remorseful for What happened and immediately sought treatment for his issues

Oh come on, he sought treatment only as a means to perpetuate the cover up at the advice of his legal counsel. That doesn't quite qualify as remorse.

The Ravens also consulted frequently with Rice's Philadelphia defense attorney, Michael J. Diamondstein, who in early April had obtained a copy of the inside-elevator video and told Cass: "It's f---ing horrible." Cass did not request a copy of the video from Diamondstein but instead began urging Rice's legal team to get Rice accepted into a pretrial intervention program after being told some of the program's benefits. Among them: It would keep the inside-elevator video from becoming public.

This is even more damning, hardly remorseful:

Diamondstein received his marching orders from Rice: "Keep me out of jail, and keep my bosses happy." By midday Wednesday, Feb. 19, the lawyer had worked out a plea deal with a local prosecutor in Atlantic City municipal court: Rice would enter counseling and if there were no other incidents involving him within 90 days, the case would be dismissed. The inside-elevator surveillance video would not be released. But that was the day TMZ released the outside-elevator video.
 

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This part of the article caught my eye the most:

It is well-known among players and union officials that Goodell won't stand for someone lying to him about behavior; he will harshly punish anyone he discovers has lied to him.

With his wife sitting by his side in a conference room, Rice told Goodell that he hit her and knocked her out, according to four sources. Cass and Newsome spoke on Rice's behalf. So did Janay, who emotionally asked Goodell not to impose a penalty on Rice that would take away their livelihood and besmirch his name. At the end of the meeting, according to several sources, Goodell invited Ray and Janay to have a brief private chat with him in his office; during the conversation, the commissioner spoke about how Ray Rice could be a spokesman in the future against domestic violence, the sources said. Rice later told friends the commissioner spent the majority of the meeting discussing Rice's reputation as a positive role model in the community.

Last week, Goodell told CBS News that, during the disciplinary meeting, Rice provided an "ambiguous" account of what had happened inside the elevator. And in its Sept. 12 letter justifying the indefinite suspension, the league said Rice's account was "starkly different" from what was seen on the inside-elevator video. Four sources, however, told "Outside the Lines" that Rice gave Goodell a truthful account that he struck his fiancée. Furthermore, it would seem that if Rice had given an "ambiguous" account, sources say Goodell had even more incentive to try to obtain a copy of the in-elevator video to clear up any lingering questions. But he did not do that. "For you not to have seen the video is inexcusable," a league source told "Outside the Lines." "Because everybody was under the impression that you had."

Goodell goes from being on Rice's side to stabbing him in the back in the blink of an eye. The last paragraph also confirms that Goodell has told at least one lie while covering this thing up. And if he lied about Rice's testimony, I wonder what else he might have lied about...
 

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lsheldon":1ud00qt0 said:
-The Glove-":1ud00qt0 said:
Makes me look at Rice in a different light as well. The report showed that he was very remorseful for What happened and immediately sought treatment for his issues

Oh come on, he sought treatment only as a means to perpetuate the cover up at the advice of his legal counsel. That doesn't quite qualify as remorse.

It's interesting to me that Rice showed such genuine remorse when there were no cameras around, yet when the cameras were rolling he was defiant and borderline unapologetic. Basically, he's been the perfect opposite of Roger Goodell since the incident.

If only Rice had displayed those emotions publicly over the Summer, and if only Goodell had followed his first instinct and gone with 6 games, I'm guessing this would have played out a lot different. This issue was ready to erupt even before the 2nd video because in public, neither Rice or Goodell looked like they cared and the perceived lack of caring is what really allowed this issue to explode into rage.
 

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kearly":2n730jvi said:
lsheldon":2n730jvi said:
-The Glove-":2n730jvi said:
Makes me look at Rice in a different light as well. The report showed that he was very remorseful for What happened and immediately sought treatment for his issues

Oh come on, he sought treatment only as a means to perpetuate the cover up at the advice of his legal counsel. That doesn't quite qualify as remorse.

It's interesting to me that Rice showed such genuine remorse when there were no cameras around, yet when the cameras were rolling he was defiant and borderline unapologetic. Basically, he's been the perfect opposite of Roger Goodell the last 7 months. Weird dude.

I'm sure he felt bad about the incident, especially because he obviously cares enough about the woman to marry her. But he did as much to cover this incident up as anyone involved.
 

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lsheldon":18qp5aph said:
I'm sure he felt bad about the incident, especially because he obviously cares enough about the woman to marry her. But he did as much to cover this incident up as anyone involved.

Reading the article, I had a different take. Rice seemed like a guy that knew what he did and didn't want it to be his legacy. Rice wanted a second chance, and privately, he did the right things to earn that second chance. Publicly, not so much.

I thought the story about him telling kids to not grow up to be like him was something else. I am relieved to know that at least privately, he was devastated by what he did and not for manipulative reasons, but out of sincere guilt.
 

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I'm interested to see how this goes over here in Baltimore. After cutting Ray Rice, things have died down a bit. Normally Baltimore is a Ravens town this time of year, but they're being overshadowed by the Orioles who have already won their division; this hasn't happened since 1997.

Biscotti, Cass, and the other execs may benefit heavily because the Orioles are doing so well, particularly if they do well in the playoffs. Those guys worked so hard to minimize what Rice did; so many people were convinced that her being knocked out was some kind of freak accident.
 

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Striking are the classic tactics of plausible denial, purchase of goodwill and cover, and shaping of public perceptions by insiders who control the information. I would think the public will continue to become increasingly cynical of authority and any self serving version of due process.

Bisciotti also stated that the team would be donating $600,000 to the House of Ruth, the Baltimore shelter for battered women.

Goodell on Sept. 10 appointed Mueller, the former FBI chief, to oversee an "independent" investigation of the Rice matter. The investigation will be led by two Goodell allies -- Steelers owner Rooney and Giants owner Mara. Mueller is a partner in the law firm WilmerHale, where Cass was a partner and worked for 31 years before joining the Ravens in 2004. Recently, the law firm also helped the NFL negotiate a multibillion-dollar contract extension with DirecTV.
 

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On the way to the store today I heard one of the primary local sports guys who is friends with Ray Rice on the radio. He was deflecting this entire piece with the "unnamed sources means it isn't legit" and how we should focus on stopping domestic violence instead of all of the other things. I think focusing on stopping domestic violence is admirable and all, but he misses the point where fans of the team bought into this fantasy version of what happened with Ray Rice sold to them by the organization that they spend a lot of money on. I can't blame people for being pissed off at the organization for taking their money then doing this to them.

Part of the problem a lot of people are having locally (and why Rice got so much support from the Ravens) is Rice's "good guy" image. It's really hard for people to process that he did what he did.
 

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