Ravens Rebuttal to Outside the Lines

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Last week, ESPN's Outside the Lines did an in depth investigative piece on the Ray Rice issue. I posted the article and we discussed that here:

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Below is a copy of the Ravens rebuttal, refuting items from that article.

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2. From the article: But sources both affiliated and unaffiliated with the team tell
"Outside the Lines" a different story: The Ravens' head of security, (Darren)
Sanders, heard a detailed description of the inside-elevator scene within hours and
shared it with Ravens officials in Baltimore.
Darren Sanders (Director of Security): “I did not receive an account of what
happened in the elevator “within hours” of the incident. Within a couple of days, I
asked the casino and the Atlantic City Police Department for a copy of any
videotape of the incident. They said they could not release a copy of the videotape
to me. Some days later—I believe it was on February 25—I spoke to an Atlantic
City police official again, asking again whether I could get a copy of the tape or, if
not, whether I could come to his New Jersey office and view it. He said I could
not, but he did offer to view the tape and describe what he saw. (As I understand
it, he was describing a raw video, not the “cleaned up,” “smoothed . . . out” version
that appeared on TMZ.) He said that Ray and Janay both appeared to be
intoxicated, and that they were involved in a heated argument that began outside
the elevator and continued inside. As he described it, Janay appeared to initiate the
altercation, but they both spit at and struck each other, resulting in Janay falling
and hitting her head against the wall railing. The officer could not tell from the
video whether Ray slapped or punched her, but Ray told me very clearly that he
did not punch her. It was not clear from the officer’s account whether it was being
intoxicated, being hit, or hitting her head against the railing that caused Janay’s
apparent unconsciousness.”
 

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I watched this live and thought his first lines pretty much set the tone when he said something to the affect of "...I did not think it was fair, it took them a week to investigate and write the article and we were only given 2 hours to respond."

What I hear from that is "...it's not fair that we only had 2 hours to manufacture a story." Which would of course be followed by the line in my mind "Are you going to believe what I tell you to believe or are you going to believe the truth?"

That is just kind of how I felt watching his presser, purely personal opinion.
 

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The Ravens are accusing Rice's camp of manufacturing the information in the article to help him with his appeal. It's basically coming down to the Ravens and Rice accusing each other of lying.
 

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No doubt the real truth lies somewhere in the middle as it normally does. I have no doubts that Rice sugar coated his acts when trying to explain/excuse them. I also have no doubt the ravens organization and NFL as a whole were embarased by his actions and tried to "pretty it up" for lack of better words. Nobody likes embarasment and it is almost natural to want to try to hide it or sweep it away but where is that fine line that should not be crossed. I think that line is the actual lying, hemming and hawing that really irritates the public. All parties involved are really damned if they do, damned if they don't...especially the victim (which refuses to accept that she is a victim which is the saddest part).

The problem with lying is once you dig that hole it is nearly impossible to dig your way back out. If you decide to come clean and fess up then why would anyone trust you going forward? If you decide to keep up the charade, people start seeing the inconsistancies and it gets harder to remember/create your story. "If you tell the truth, you don't need to have a good memory", Judge Judy.
 

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Regardless of where the truth is, the Ravens can run plausible deniability without any hard evidence. Look at how they were able to massage Rice's actions without the actual footage. Who are you going to believe, a dude that punched his wife-to-be square in the face or us <businessman smile>?
 

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oregonhawkfan":3rxneq7j said:
I watched this live and thought his first lines pretty much set the tone when he said something to the affect of "...I did not think it was fair, it took them a week to investigate and write the article and we were only given 2 hours to respond."

What I hear from that is "...it's not fair that we only had 2 hours to manufacture a story." Which would of course be followed by the line in my mind "Are you going to believe what I tell you to believe or are you going to believe the truth?"

That is just kind of how I felt watching his presser, purely personal opinion.

There were a lot of things to respond to and a lot of people involved, especially when you consider that the team was prepping for a road game two days later. It's not like every Ravens personnel person was sitting in a single room and had two hours free to clear up every allegation made in the report. (Though once the questions came in an emergency meeting was called).

I'm not telling you who to believe in this story, nor do i really want to talk about what i think happened. I do think that 2 hours isn't a lot of time to prepare for a story of this magnitude. I'll let other people decide what is reasonable.
 
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