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Re: M's Off season, 2017-2018
Tue Feb 13, 2018 9:32 am
  • Cruz has no defense though. M's probably over paid a little too much for Cano but the idea at the time of having Felix and Cano in their primes was exciting.
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Re: M's Off season, 2017-2018
Tue Feb 13, 2018 10:58 am
  • Crizilla wrote:Cruz has no defense though. M's probably over paid a little too much for Cano but the idea at the time of having Felix and Cano in their primes was exciting.

    Well, with no WBC to throw his arm out in March, maybe we'll get Felix at 80% or so. Cano was maybe slowed by injury last season (another WBC player), but he's still a front line 2d baseman and a presence at the plate. I'm happy with Cruz as a DH and (very) occasional OF. Still very productive at the plate.

    Yeah, window is closing, it would seem, but the offensive additions this off-season should help. Looks like DiPoto and Servais are betting that last year's injury avalanche to the pitching staff was an anomoly. I hope they're right. Then again, maybe they're just betting we can make it to the trade deadline with a decent record and then pick up a key player or two. It almost worked last year, but the overuse and instability in the pitching staff had us fading in Sept.
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Re: M's Off season, 2017-2018
Tue Feb 13, 2018 12:01 pm
  • Crizilla wrote:Cruz has no defense though. M's probably over paid a little too much for Cano but the idea at the time of having Felix and Cano in their primes was exciting.


    I agree at the time there was a buzz about it. Now though there has to be a bit of disappointment that we got no play offs. Both his and Felix contracts are going to look bad soon. So is Pujols contract at the Angels, but they at least made the play offs a couple of times. Still nowhere near as bad as Josh Hamilton's contract at the time.
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Re: M's Off season, 2017-2018
Tue Feb 13, 2018 12:05 pm
  • sutz wrote:Yeah, window is closing, it would seem, but the offensive additions this off-season should help. Looks like DiPoto and Servais are betting that last year's injury avalanche to the pitching staff was an anomoly. I hope they're right. Then again, maybe they're just betting we can make it to the trade deadline with a decent record and then pick up a key player or two. It almost worked last year, but the overuse and instability in the pitching staff had us fading in Sept.

    Problem with that they've already got one of the shallowest pool of prospects and would have to give up up more than one to get anything decent in return.

    I remember reading that the M's 10th rated prospect wouldn't even be in the top 30 for a lot of teams.
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Re: M's Off season, 2017-2018
Wed Feb 14, 2018 12:16 am
  • Crizilla wrote:Cruz has no defense though. M's probably over paid a little too much for Cano but the idea at the time of having Felix and Cano in their primes was exciting.

    That is a problem..
    People get enamored with superstar players in sports and break the bank for them
    but fail to remember there are many parts to a team.
    So you overpay,get weak in other areas and gain little most of the time.
    Being excited didn't work for the Angels right?(Pujols/Trout)
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Re: M's Off season, 2017-2018
Thu Feb 15, 2018 4:35 am
  • IndyHawk wrote:
    Crizilla wrote:Cruz has no defense though. M's probably over paid a little too much for Cano but the idea at the time of having Felix and Cano in their primes was exciting.

    That is a problem..
    People get enamored with superstar players in sports and break the bank for them
    but fail to remember there are many parts to a team.
    So you overpay,get weak in other areas and gain little most of the time.
    Being excited didn't work for the Angels right?(Pujols/Trout)


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Re: M's Off season, 2017-2018
Fri Feb 16, 2018 7:21 pm
  • Jerry Dipoto has done a horrible job in fixing the starting pitching. This was the Achilles heel last year and it's not improved in the off season. Good pitching beats hitting any day of the week. Unfortunately, the M's don't have good pitching. They'll probably score 8 runs each game but still lose. I still believe they should trade Seager for a bonafide starter. It won't happen but it should.
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Re: M's Off season, 2017-2018
Fri Feb 16, 2018 8:24 pm
  • hawkfan68 wrote:Jerry Dipoto has done a horrible job in fixing the starting pitching. This was the Achilles heel last year and it's not improved in the off season. Good pitching beats hitting any day of the week. Unfortunately, the M's don't have good pitching. They'll probably score 8 runs each game but still lose. I still believe they should trade Seager for a bonafide starter. It won't happen but it should.



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Re: M's Off season, 2017-2018
Sat Feb 17, 2018 11:17 am
  • hawkfan68 wrote:Jerry Dipoto has done a horrible job in fixing the starting pitching. This was the Achilles heel last year and it's not improved in the off season. Good pitching beats hitting any day of the week. Unfortunately, the M's don't have good pitching. They'll probably score 8 runs each game but still lose. I still believe they should trade Seager for a bonafide starter. It won't happen but it should.

    Agree 100%. Funny thing is though there is still quality FA starting pitching out there if they want to pay for it.
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Re: M's Off season, 2017-2018
Sat Feb 17, 2018 1:30 pm
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    hawkfan68 wrote:Jerry Dipoto has done a horrible job in fixing the starting pitching. This was the Achilles heel last year and it's not improved in the off season. Good pitching beats hitting any day of the week. Unfortunately, the M's don't have good pitching. They'll probably score 8 runs each game but still lose. I still believe they should trade Seager for a bonafide starter. It won't happen but it should.

    Agree 100%. Funny thing is though there is still quality FA starting pitching out there if they want to pay for it.

    Man, I know. It's pretty weird. It's almost like Dipoto has no interest in improving the worst aspect of the team from last year. It's pretty apparent that Dipoto values bats > quality arms, but at some point you HAVE to make an effort in the arms department.

    Like hawkfan68 said, he's really done a terrible job with the starting pitching since he's been here. Nay, the team as a whole. He's wheeled and dealed so much and has ended up on the losing end far too much for his tenure to be considered a success. I'm still excited for the season though.
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Re: M's Off season, 2017-2018
Sat Feb 17, 2018 2:35 pm
  • This is the first offseason in a while I can remember there being little to no expectations. Usually we do well under those circumstances. When expectations are high, the team does the worst. Maybe we will surprise.
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Re: M's Off season, 2017-2018
Sun Feb 18, 2018 9:39 am
  • Agreed. It just sucks that 2 of the best players in the game (Altuve, Trout) are in our division (and maybe Verlander being the best pitcher in the AL).
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Re: M's Off season, 2017-2018
Sun Feb 18, 2018 3:37 pm
  • Crizilla wrote:Agreed. It just sucks that 2 of the best players in the game (Altuve, Trout) are in our division (and maybe Verlander being the best pitcher in the AL).


    Verlander? Maybe a decade ago.
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Re: M's Off season, 2017-2018
Sun Feb 18, 2018 5:20 pm
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    Crizilla wrote:Agreed. It just sucks that 2 of the best players in the game (Altuve, Trout) are in our division (and maybe Verlander being the best pitcher in the AL).


    Verlander? Maybe a decade ago.


    He reinvented himself last season, but he still is far from being the best. He's probably around the 10th best starting pitcher in MLB.
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Re: M's Off season, 2017-2018
Mon Feb 19, 2018 9:08 am
  • Astros don't win the world series without Verlander. Sale struggled at the end of the year. Felix past his prime and injured. You could make a case Kluber is better but that's about it.
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Re: M's Off season, 2017-2018
Mon Feb 19, 2018 10:34 am
  • Crizilla wrote:Astros don't win the world series without Verlander. Sale struggled at the end of the year. Felix past his prime and injured. You could make a case Kluber is better but that's about it.


    JV is clutch, and you are right that they probably don't win the WS without him. But I don't think he is a top 5 regular season pitcher. Personally I'd take Kershaw, Sale, Scherzer, Kluber, Severino, and a healthy Syndergaard over JV. But if we are talking about taking one pitcher for a game 7, he might be my choice.
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Re: M's Off season, 2017-2018
Mon Feb 19, 2018 11:20 am
  • Speaking of pitchers:

    Inside James Paxton’s plan to stay healthy in 2018, and what milk (or a lack thereof) has to do with it

    PEORIA, Ariz. — Got milk?

    For James Paxton, his answer would be, “Well, that depends on where it comes from.”


    In his personal quest to pitch an entire season without time spent on the disabled list, reach the elusive goal of 200 innings pitched and being the top-of-the-rotation ace his potential suggests, the Mariners’ Paxton has continued to refine and adjust his offseason and spring training program. The latest aspect of that is a reduction of lactose in his diet.

    Following a breakout 2017 season in which he went 12-5 with a 2.98 ERA in 24 starts, Paxton decided to supplement his offseason preparation in search for better durability. He underwent myriad tests, including having blood samples drawn, to determine if changes to his lifestyle, specifically his diet, could lead to improved performance and injury avoidance. Without getting into every single detail, Paxton mentioned one noticeable change made because of the tests.


    Who knows if it'll keep him healthy. At least they're trying something. If Pax could give us 25-30 starts, that would help the rest of the staff a ton.
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Re: M's Off season, 2017-2018
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Re: M's Off season, 2017-2018
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Re: M's Off season, 2017-2018
Tue Feb 20, 2018 9:13 pm
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Re: M's Off season, 2017-2018
Fri Feb 23, 2018 1:55 am
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Re: M's Off season, 2017-2018
Fri Feb 23, 2018 6:06 pm
  • The M's win, the M's win....oh wait a minute....it's only spring training.
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