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Thu Oct 22, 2015 8:44 pm
  • Sporting KC needs to win on Sunday to get into the playoffs. Hosting LA Galaxy on Sunday. Yikes.
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Re: MLS
Fri Oct 23, 2015 5:39 am
  • Probably easier to just put this with the Sounders thread... but maybe this can serve as the "post season" thread.

    SKC have their work cut out for them, for sure.
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Re: MLS
Fri Oct 23, 2015 11:47 am
  • Sunday should be an exciting day.
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Re: MLS
Fri Oct 23, 2015 12:48 pm
  • Go Timbers!
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Re: MLS
Sun Oct 25, 2015 4:24 pm
  • Boom! Nagbe in the 5th minute.
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Re: MLS
Thu Oct 29, 2015 10:05 pm
  • Penalty kicks go all the way down to the goalies. That was pretty awesome.
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Re: MLS
Fri Oct 30, 2015 4:46 am
  • JSeahawks wrote:Penalty kicks go all the way down to the goalies. That was pretty awesome.



    There was nothing awesome about that.
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Re: MLS
Fri Oct 30, 2015 5:55 am
  • I enjoyed it
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Re: MLS
Fri Oct 30, 2015 6:05 am
  • Uncle Si wrote:I enjoyed it


    Yeah, but you are stuffy. You would actually make a good timber fan. It would be an easy transition from kc.
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Re: MLS
Fri Oct 30, 2015 6:24 am
  • As a Anti-Timber person watching that game....Incredible match. Instant MLS classic. All of the games the past two days have been Solid.
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Re: MLS
Fri Oct 30, 2015 7:08 am
  • CurryStopstheRuns wrote:
    Uncle Si wrote:I enjoyed it


    Yeah, but you are stuffy. You would actually make a good timber fan. It would be an easy transition from kc.



    Brilliant...
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Re: MLS
Fri Oct 30, 2015 7:10 am
  • Smurf wrote:As a Anti-Timber person watching that game....Incredible match. Instant MLS classic. All of the games the past two days have been Solid.



    Agreed... hell of a match.
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Re: MLS
Fri Oct 30, 2015 8:12 am
  • I am a full on Portland hater, and despite the negligible skill show by both teams last night, that game was incredibly fun to watch. I still cannot believe that SKC hit both pipes and it didn't go in. What are the odds?
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Re: MLS
Fri Oct 30, 2015 8:16 am
  • Seahawks1983 wrote:I am a full on Portland hater, and despite the negligible skill show by both teams last night, that game was incredibly fun to watch. I still cannot believe that SKC hit both pipes and it didn't go in. What are the odds?



    That was about as much skill as you are going to see in an MLS match...

    SKC was clearly set up to limit chances early on, while Portland wanted to attack. Once the first goal went in you saw both teams change.

    The OT periods were as open as any soccer fan could hope
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Re: MLS
Fri Oct 30, 2015 8:45 am
  • Its good to know that my heart is in good shape. Because between this and the Ducks game, if I was ever going to have a heart attack last night was the night.
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Re: MLS
Fri Oct 30, 2015 8:59 am
  • JSeahawks wrote:Its good to know that my heart is in good shape. Because between this and the Ducks game, if I was ever going to have a heart attack last night was the night.



    It shows the good and bad of the MLS. Sounders game as well.

    Some great technical ability balanced with very poor tactics and even more comically bad technical ability.

    But.. I havent sat through a whole MLS game this year, and did through that one. part of it was having to right a match report, but still, engaging match, lots of drama.

    And pretty sure every Timber fan sacrificed a year off their life for that pen that went off both posts. I've seen that once before in a game I was coaching (my team was the beneficiary) and I hate to relive the consequences of such physics drawn luck.
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Re: MLS
Fri Oct 30, 2015 5:04 pm
  • Seahawks1983 wrote:I am a full on Portland hater, and despite the negligible skill show by both teams last night, that game was incredibly fun to watch. I still cannot believe that SKC hit both pipes and it didn't go in. What are the odds?



    Someone on reddit did the math and its something like 1 in 800k.


    If the shot was 0.002" in either direction it will either only hit one post, or go in.
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Re: MLS
Fri Oct 30, 2015 5:16 pm
  • So soccer guys... Portland vs Vancouver. Do the timbers have a shot?
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Re: MLS
Fri Oct 30, 2015 8:06 pm
  • JSeahawks wrote:So soccer guys... Portland vs Vancouver. Do the timbers have a shot?


    Normally i'd say they'd have ever chance. Vancouver are good but there form has dipped a bit since mid season. Portland need to keep the first game tight though. Its going to be tough given they played 97 minutes plus 30 minutes injury time and penalties in such a short week. Their players will be drained.
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Re: MLS
Sat Oct 31, 2015 6:21 am
  • Glasgow Seahawk wrote:
    JSeahawks wrote:So soccer guys... Portland vs Vancouver. Do the timbers have a shot?


    Normally i'd say they'd have ever chance. Vancouver are good but there form has dipped a bit since mid season. Portland need to keep the first game tight though. Its going to be tough given they played 97 minutes plus 30 minutes injury time and penalties in such a short week. Their players will be drained.



    It really depends on how fast the game is. I feel its gonna be a track meet with the wide players both teams have.

    I feel the faster the game, the more it suites the Whitecaps, and the slower more physical the game suites the Timbers.
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Re: MLS
Sun Nov 01, 2015 6:36 pm
  • So tell me if i have this right... since it was 0-0 today, if its a 1-1 tie next week the timbers will win because its an away goal? What if its 0-0? Overtime and penalty kicks again?
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Re: MLS
Sun Nov 01, 2015 6:55 pm
  • JSeahawks wrote:So tell me if i have this right... since it was 0-0 today, if its a 1-1 tie next week the timbers will win because its an away goal? What if its 0-0? Overtime and penalty kicks again?


    Yes...

    Ot may be strange. Some competitions don't count ot goals towards the away goal rule. Some do. Sometimes its golden goal. Not sure what the MLS does.
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Re: MLS
Sun Nov 08, 2015 9:15 pm
  • Correct me if I'm wrong I don't follow soccer much or at all but I've started to get interested in the Timbers. With them up 1-0 right now and the first leg went 0-0 in Portland this leg can't go into extra time? At least that's what I understand from the away goal rule?
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Re: MLS
Sun Nov 08, 2015 9:18 pm
  • JGreen79 wrote:Correct me if I'm wrong I don't follow soccer much or at all but I've started to get interested in the Timbers. With them up 1-0 right now and the first leg went 0-0 in Portland this leg can't go into extra time? At least that's what I understand from the away goal rule?


    Correct. If the game ends in a tie portland moves on.
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Re: MLS
Sun Nov 08, 2015 10:41 pm
  • Three Cascadia rivals enter...

    1 left.

    Portland dominated Vancouver tonight in a beautiful game. After such a frustrating first half f the season, it's been brilliant to watch the team round into form.

    Here's hoping for a similarly brilliant performance against FC Dallas in....

    *checks calendar*...

    2 weeks? Dude, c'mon....
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Re: MLS
Sun Nov 08, 2015 10:46 pm
  • Sarlacc83 wrote:Three Cascadia rivals enter...

    1 left.

    Portland dominated Vancouver tonight in a beautiful game. After such a frustrating first half f the season, it's been brilliant to watch the team round into form.

    Here's hoping for a similarly brilliant performance against FC Dallas in....

    *checks calendar*...

    2 weeks? Dude, c'mon....



    Welcome to MLS.


    2 week break. Puts all that good form into jeopardy, IMO.

    Decent match up Portland vs FC Dallas.
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Re: MLS
Mon Nov 09, 2015 7:25 am
  • Next week is an international break in soccer.
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Re: MLS
Mon Nov 09, 2015 7:42 am
  • SeatownJay wrote:Next week is an international break in soccer.



    I know. It's just stupid.

    Start the season earlier, or something. 2 weeks in between the biggest games of the season is insane.
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Re: MLS
Mon Nov 09, 2015 8:50 am
  • Patrick Viera was just named the manager of New York City FC.
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Re: MLS
Sun Nov 22, 2015 1:17 am
  • Finally almost game time. Really sucks that Valeri is out on yellow card accumulation. Hopefully timbers can pull it off.
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Re: MLS
Sun Nov 22, 2015 6:38 am
  • Smurf wrote:Patrick Viera was just named the manager of New York City FC.


    Wow....

    Was City's youth coordinator I believe. Define an "organizational" move.
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Re: MLS
Sun Nov 22, 2015 9:57 am
  • JSeahawks wrote:Finally almost game time. Really sucks that Valeri is out on yellow card accumulation. Hopefully timbers can pull it off.



    Could be a blessing in disguise. Nagbe is better when he plays more centrally in my opinion. Unfortunately that's where Valeri is also at his best. I think Nagbe has the ability to take the reigns of any game, and he loses some of that when he is pinched out wide.


    Should be a good contest. I'm curious to see how Portland deals with the Counter Attack of FCD. Portland (this year) doesn't seem to be a team that enjoys kicking the ball around a lot. They seem to want to play more direct, and that can get you burned quick against FCD.
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Re: MLS
Sun Nov 22, 2015 6:15 pm
  • Ridgewell!! 1-0 portland.
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Re: MLS
Sun Nov 22, 2015 7:01 pm
  • Asprilla with a BEAUTIFUL long range goal. 2-0.
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Re: MLS
Sun Nov 22, 2015 7:21 pm
  • Big goal by Dallas there
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Re: MLS
Sun Nov 22, 2015 7:42 pm
  • Portland wins 3-1. Wish they hadnt given up that away goal, but still pretty confident going forward.
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Re: MLS
Sun Nov 22, 2015 7:47 pm
  • JSeahawks wrote:Portland wins 3-1. Wish they hadnt given up that away goal, but still pretty confident going forward.



    certainly makes extra time hard to achieve. Should have a conclusion after 90.
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Re: MLS
Sun Nov 29, 2015 5:15 pm
  • Portland moving on!
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Re: MLS
Sun Nov 29, 2015 5:16 pm
  • JSeahawks wrote:Portland moving on!


    My blood pressure is up after that one.
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Re: MLS
Sun Nov 29, 2015 5:21 pm
  • Sarlacc83 wrote:
    JSeahawks wrote:Portland moving on!


    My blood pressure is up after that one.


    Definatly tense!!
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Re: MLS
Sun Nov 29, 2015 7:54 pm
  • Alright soccer people, give me the scouting report for portland vs Columbus.
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Re: MLS
Wed Dec 09, 2015 12:25 pm
  • MLS is doubling down on roster talent, gives team another 800k in Transfer Allocation Money for the next 2 seasons, bringing the 3 year total to $1.6 Million.

    The league has also given clubs $2 million to invest in home grown player contracts.
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Re: MLS
Wed Dec 09, 2015 6:24 pm
  • Smurf wrote:MLS is doubling down on roster talent, gives team another 800k in Transfer Allocation Money for the next 2 seasons, bringing the 3 year total to $1.6 Million.

    The league has also given clubs $2 million to invest in home grown player contracts.

    I like the fact that the MLS is allocating more money to be spent on middle-of-the-roster players. Lack of decent depth is one of the biggest issues with a lot of teams in the league.
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Re: MLS
Sat Jan 30, 2016 11:31 am
  • So on the eve of another MLS season, let's have a discussion on the future of the league. I've heard over the years that the MLS will never be a top tier league until they change their schedule to match Europe, get rid of the salary cap, and institute promotion-relegation. Before any of that can happen, however, the MLS will need to ditch the single-entity structure of the league. Until that happens, nothing else is going to change. Let's say a miracle happens, though. Let's say that MLS decides to give up it's power and financial stability to let the individual league investors actually own the teams and set their own finances. Let's say that MLS gives more power to the USSF to allow for promotion & relegation between MLS, NASL, and USL. Let's say that MLS caves to international pressure and adopts the Summer to Spring schedule that is used in the majority of the other leagues. If it happens, how will it all work? I'm far from the most knowledgeable soccer fan around here, but I like to think I'm pretty smart and logical. I'd like to hear some ideas and get some debate going on how this could all be successful and let MLS take the next step toward international respectability.

    To avoid this post from becoming too long, I'll make a separate one to discuss my specific thoughts on each topic, finances, schedule, & pro/rel.
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Sat Jan 30, 2016 12:03 pm
  • The biggest topic, especially with fans, is promotion/relegation. How would it work? Let's say that MLS, NASL, and USL all agree to a partnership under USSF to allow for promotion & relegation. As of current plans, by 2017 there will be 24 MLS teams, 11 NASL teams, and 31 USL teams. The majority of the USL teams will have exclusive partnerships with, or be owned outright by, MLS teams. How do you separate the leagues? One possibility is set the MLS at 20, NASL at 22, and USL at 24. But who goes where? Well, the easiest way would be to say the 20 existing MLS teams stay there, the 20 USL teams that are partnered with/owned by MLS stay in USL, the 4 teams scheduled to begin play in the MLS in 2017 or later instead start in NASL (or, in the case of Minnesota United, they stay in NASL instead of moving up), and the 7 best unaffiliated teams in USL move up to NASL. This would give you a league structure that looks like this.

    MLS
    Chicago Fire
    Colorado Rapids
    Columbus Crew SC
    DC United
    FC Dallas
    Houston Dynamo
    LA Galaxy
    Montreal Impact
    New England Revolution
    New York City FC
    New York Red Bulls
    Orlando City SC
    Philadelphia Union
    Portland Timbers
    Real Salt Lake
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Seattle Sounders FC
    Sporting Kansas City
    Toronto FC
    Vancouver Whitecaps FC

    NASL
    Atlanta United FC
    Arizona United FC
    Carolina Railhawks
    Colorado Springs Switchbacks FC
    FC Cincinnati
    FC Edmonton
    Ft. Lauderdale Strikers
    Harrisburg City Islanders
    Indy Eleven
    Jacksonville Armada FC
    Los Angeles FC
    Louisville City FC
    Miami FC
    Miami (Beckham's club)
    Minnesota United FC
    New York Cosmos
    Orange County Blues FC
    Ottawa Fury FC
    Puerto Rico FC
    Rayo OKC
    Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Tulsa Roughnecks FC

    USL
    Austin Aztex
    Bethlehem Steel FC
    Charleston Battery
    Charlotte Independence
    FC Montreal
    LA Galaxy II
    New York Red Bulls II
    Oklahoma City Energy FC
    Orlando City B
    Pittsburgh Riverhounds
    Portland Timbers 2
    Real Monarchs SLC
    Reno
    Richmond Kickers
    Rio Grande Valley FC Toros
    Rochester Rhinos
    Sacramento Republic FC
    San Antonio
    Seattle Sounders FC 2
    St. Louis FC
    Swope Park Rangers KC
    Toronto FC II
    Vancouver Whitecaps FC 2
    Wilmington Hammerheads FC

    Now to determine some specifics. How many teams move between MLS and NASL? How many between NASL and USL? And how to do you handle the MLS/USL partnerships? In Spain, there's a rule that an academy team can't be in the same or higher tier as their parent club. For illustration, let's say that New England Revolution finish bottom of the table and are slated for relegation to NASL. But their affiliate club, Rochester Rhinos, win the USL and qualify for promotion to NASL. If they can't be in the same tier, do the Revs stay up as the Rhinos move, or do they move down as the Rhinos stay put? These are some of things that will need to be figured out.
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Re: MLS
Sat Jan 30, 2016 12:21 pm
  • Let's talk about schedules. If the MLS, and by association, USSF, adopt the Summer to Spring schedule how would it work? Would you start play in August and go straight through to April? Would you take a multi-week break in January like Germany does? How do you handle severe Winter weather? Which is worse, playing in Chicago in January when it's -30f with the wind, or playing in Miami in August when it's 120f with the humidity?

    Another scheduling factor when combined with pro/rel (see previous post), do you stick with conferences with multiple teams coming and going each year, or do you go with a single table? Right now MLS plays 34 regular season matches. If you go to a single table with home & away matchups, that's 38 regular season games. NASL & USL would have even more since they'd have more teams.

    I'm curious to hear the opinions of our soccer sages on this one.
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Re: MLS
Sun Jan 31, 2016 7:03 am
  • Good stuff Seatown.

    I think there are many elements to the MLS set up that frankly can't be changed for the league to survive. One of them is promotion/relegation. It doesn't fit the the mission of the league or its main fan base to be honest. I think It would be very difficult for any MLS club to continue to attract large enough support to find the team should they be relegated. And same for a team promoted. And while it works elsewhere, the support of those clubs is decades (centuries in some places) older. In the end, it's far more trouble than it's worth.

    The league seems to be right where it wants. It's growing. It's found a decent, comfortable niche in between its domestic competition and Euro leagues. It attracts decent enough quality to be entertaining and fans here are latching on to it. What it doesn't want is to go toe to toe with the NFL. It knows that more than likely a good portion of its fan base is rooted in NFL fans. Why make them choose?
    I'm not up on things enough to know what opportunities the MLS loses by not sharing a schedule with euro leagues... But it's clear what it gains: It's own window without the NFL, summer visits from the worlds best clubs, a summer free of euro competition for its product to be showcased internationally.
    It seems now the MLS has finally settled in.
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Re: MLS
Tue Feb 02, 2016 2:18 pm
  • Just say no to a Summer to Spring schedule. It would be awful for too many of the teams. Hot summer games in Texas can be somewhat offset by playing at night. You cannot really schedule around the cold of a place like Toronto or Minneapolis.

    I would actually like to see the MLS season shortened. We have a playoff system, so there is less of a need to play as many games. Right now there are 20 teams with another 4 scheduled to enter the league before 2020.

    Once you get to 24 teams, break it up into 4 divisions of 6 teams each.

    12 games against the opposite conference, alternate home and away every year.

    6 games against your inter conference division, alternate home and away every year.

    10 games against your division, one home, one away each year.

    That gives you a 28 game schedule, which would alleviate fixture congestion for CCL and USOC teams.

    It also gives you the flexibility to expand the playoffs if you want, without playing until Christmas. MLS Cup should be played the weekend before Thanksgiving, every year.

    If you really wanted to have more games, you could do a 30 game schedule, with an additional game played against the teams in the opposite conference divisions that finished in the same place as you the prior season (similar to how the NFL does it.)
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Re: MLS
Tue Feb 02, 2016 2:52 pm
  • Si did a great job of stating just about all of my opinions.

    The fact is the MLS IS growing and continuing to remain a profitable league that's now able to attract talent from all over the world, young and old.

    I'm just fine with not being "one of the top leagues" in the world. Because that doesn't necessarily equate to a more enjoyable experience for us fans. All it means is you better hope you're one of the top 4-5 clubs or else you're screwed.

    I can take my entire family to a match for less than $100, and have a FANTASTIC time............in the summer.......wearing shorts and my Sounders kit............and my wife and kids won't complain.

    btw, in order to take the next step and compete with the top leagues, it's not about ANY of the things you mentioned. It's not about relegating, the schedule or doing away with the salary cap. It's about TV revenue, and that's not a strong point of the MLS right now. Ratings are small, and I don't think doing any or all of the things you suggested to improve the league would help ratings. In fact they'd hurt ratings competing for the casual sports fan with the NFL, NBA and NHL.
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Re: MLS
Tue Feb 02, 2016 3:39 pm
  • Bingo on the TV ratings comment. I don't have a clue how you begin to resolve that problem.
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